Altra - Timp 5

Okay so just keep working! 🥲 I do about 60% zone 2 work and it’s helped a lot! I’m about 12 weeks into training endurance seriously and averaging 20-25 miles per week. It was my first time feeling this soreness in my feet though… Shoes, I used these altra timp 5 ⬇️ after a process of elimination because I have narrow feet and some of the other altras are too loose on my ankle and if I go less cushion with more volume my lower calves tended to get sore…Nike, hooka both felt too narrow in toes. Admittedly only my 3rd run with them though!! https://www.altrarunning.com/en-us/trail/womens-timp-5/AL0A85P6.html?dwvar_AL0A85P6_size=8&dwvar_AL0A85P6_color=242&frt=20&utm_content=ecomm&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=&utm_term=&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAq-u9BhCjARIsANLj-s1Iu5e6CPmhE_3Gjm1Su8QBPFOH9WRJscuKenMq4G6_E4rs8DOTIgkaAqCeEALw_wcB

They do have more cushion but they are also slightly less wide which prevents my feet and ankles from sliding around cause I have narrow feet. Any advice for a zero drop with less cushion, wider toe box and more narrow through heel and mid foot?

I haven’t tried the Columbia but the Timp and Speedgoat are both good choices with Altra’s fitting a bit wider in general. I would try both on if you can, the choice might be obvious after that

I like Altra Timp 5’s

Hello everyone! I am a broke PhD student who trains for and runs ultramarathons, so I don't own multiple pairs of shoes at this point. I run roughly a 60/40 split of road to trails in my training, but all of my races are on trails. I've run these Altra Timp 5 trail shoes for 1,100 miles now, in training and races, on road and trails. I live near the East Coast and I run on gravel roads, paved roads, soft sand trails, hard pack beach sand, technical trails in Appalachian mountains, and rooty dirt trails. I ran a 50 miler in these that was raining the entire time. Also recently did a 6 day vacation where I did ~70 miles of super steep and technical trails in Shenandoah National Park in these shoes. I don't have a ton of performance comparison points, since I have only run in Altras (I have wide, flat feet and the 0 drop works for my strengths and natural running patterns). But, I can say that I am thoroughly impressed with how these shoes have held up. Despite running them on paved roads pretty regularly, the lugs held up enough to get me through this past 6 day trip with 0 falls. Though they don't drain super well in the water, I haven't had any durability complaints from the waterloggedness. Primary damage is that the tread is pretty much gone, around the ankle there is a lot of wear, and the sides are losing integrity where my feet fit. Obviously the foam is completely compressed at this point. I honestly prefer these to my old Olympus 5's, even for 8-10 hour runs. Feel free to ask me anything!

+1 for the Altra Timp 5. I would say I have somewhat wide, very boxy feet. Although the Timps don’t have as wide of a toe box and as square of a frame as the Lone Peaks, I didn’t have any issues and the added cushion was a little better for me as a heavier backpacker. I did have one hot spot at the outside of my big toe (like where people get bunyons), but I think it was more of the socks and when I switched to Darn Toughs that issue went away. I also got the Xero Shoes Z Trail sandals and really like them, so I’m interested to check out their shoes. But yeah in the end you gotta just do the research on all the main contenders, understand your foot shape, figure out what level of cushion/drop/grip you want, and try a few things. And then once you find the least annoying pair, just try and keep buying those or the closest things you can get (don’t get lost in the sauce).

My Timps got holes after 4 weeks of wearing lol

Forgot exactly where but it was the toe box. Never seen running shoes with such a shitty build quality before.

I tried the Timp 5s (Vibram) but returned them - the tongue was too clunky and I could clearly feel the edge of it down my foot, no matter how I laced the shoes.

Altra Timp 5. It's everything I've loved about the previous versions but they finally added a vibram mega grip sole.

Hello, here my feedback based on my experiences with trying on these shoes in store: Altamesa: I found it had good cushion except for where my toes were and it felt like they wouldn't soften no matter how many km's I put into them. Speedgoat 6: toe box felt weirdly roomy for a narrowish shoe and they didn't quite fit right. Hierro: I was able to try on the v7, v8 and v9 models all at one store. The v9 we're the best out of the 3 but I still didn't like the v9. It just felt oddly bulky which was a shame as I love NB shoes. The 1080's are my favourite. Stinson 7: I just bought a pair from MEC yesterday and they felt so good on my feet as soon as I put them on. I'm a little used to heavier shoes so that doesn't bother me. I really want a max cushion trail runners that doesn't need to be super technical trail focused. Salomon Ultra Glide/Ultra Flow: i really wanted to like these but they were a little narrow and just didn't have the comfy impact I was expecting. Altra Timp 5: I think these shoes are awesome except for the way the upper material bends at the toe box. It just feels weird and I can tell it will create problems for me a few km's into a run. I also have the Topo Ultraventure 4 which are great but I don't know how well I would enjoy them past 30km. I have Columbia Ecolite (the ones that look like they infused golf balls into the form) which have been great but just aren't on the same level as other trail shoes. I had the Brooks Caldera 6 which were okay and had great traction but they hurt my feet and caused blood blisters on the outside of my big toes so I was able to return them when I got the Stinson. I've tried on many other runners and I have the believe that you should go with the shoe that fells the best on your foot. E: forgot to add that I also tried on the hoka mafate speed 4 and I almost bought them as they were don't in the toe box compared to the speed goats 5 & 6 but I wanted slightly more cushioning. I think the mafate is a great comparison to the topo Ultraventure 4

The Area Timp 5 might check all those boxes. I find the mid and heel to be nicely snug but still roomy up front.

Even with a really deep discount, I would skip Altras. My Timp 5 started falling apart with around 70 miles on them. My local running store has pretty much quit carrying them due to all the durability issues. There are so many good running shoes right now, that I think you would be much happier going with a better shoe as you get into the sport.

I tried the Timps and found they roll my ankle in even though I have quite strong arches. It rolled in less when I removed the insole. May be the same for your wife? I went with the LP8 for a flatter fit and am loving them on mixed trails.

Altra Timp 5's with Correct Toes and Injinji socks. This is the way.

I'm on Altra Lone Peaks or Timp but nervous about my upcoming JMT as far as their durability as I average about 150 miles/pair. For the extra length I might opt for the Timp 5 with the Vibram sole for the extra comfort and wear factor.

i can recognize expert voice when i see it!!! haha! fellow rei green vest over here, so i specialize in the shoe department so let me help you out: the moab’s are a great hiking shoe without all the bells and whistles for a great budget point. BUT the WP hikers are the HOTTEST shoes. they can last you a long time, especially having a vibram outsole with a grippy tread, but be prepared to have sweaty feet. just pair them with merino wool socks and you’re good. with altras, they are great. if you’re not used to the zero drop, just give yourself time (your feet and your body) to adjust before your hiking trip. the big toe box is loved by many and often will influence you to switch over to their road shoes as well. the goretex on the timp 5 is on a synthetic shoe, so it will be slightly more breathable than goretex on a full grain leather boot, but still not as breathable all together given it is waterproof. keen is great as well, i would say they are the clunkier boot, but have a wide toe box as well. not as wide as the altras, but often recommended for wider feet that are not/cannot do a zero drop shoe brand like altra. they last, just don’t have anything super special about them, for example, no goretex or vibram or any special features really. they have stayed tried and true, which many customers have liked. i would try the altras, specifically the timp 5s. they are a huge hit at my store and will be the better option because wanting breathability and waterproofing don’t go hand in hand. you can really only have one or the other. since the timp 5 is synthetic, it will be lighter and be more breathable than the keen or merrell anyway. if you have any other questions or if i missed something, let me know!

i would say it doesn’t take long, but if you’re not used to it, i would just treat it like you’re breaking in your hiking boots. altras are different because they have no arch support whatsoever, so if you have been wearing shoes all your life that have that, like keens, it is just going to be a change. scrapping the waterproofing idea is all about personal preference. some people prefer it and some don’t. simple as that! do what you want. the altra olympus is a popular road shoe so imagine the hiker would be just as popular. for other recommendations that have a wider toe box, there aren’t many. altra will be your best bet unless you get shoes in a wider width, but then it’s going to be wide throughout the whole shoe rather than just the toe box. out of the two altras, the timp 5 is synthetic and it looks like the olympus is a nubuck leather so it might be hotter. it also depends on where you live, the climates that you mostly hike in, etc. the timp 5 is a huge hit with my customers so that’s my vote!

Trying altras for the first time went with the Timp 5’s. Felt good in my first hike out with them. Time will tell with more trail time.

I threw my Timp4s into the bin after 450km’s (280miles) mixed trail, gravel road running. Soles were almost gone from forefoot area. Timp5 with vibram sole, is a different story. But their ”build quality” doesn’t impress me. Toebox TPU overlay started to separate from the fabric after 100 kilometrers and needed some glue. Same thing happened with my Lonepeak 7. I like the shoe, how it feels. But my next ones won’t be Altra. Maybe VJ Ultra 3… if it fits nicely.

Timp and Speedgoat have similarly stiff foam. Really nice for short and medium distances. Timp is going to offer the wider fit you require, but has rather shallow lugs. The Speedgoat is not a wide shoe AT ALL, but has great lugs for mud and grass. I have no experience with the Konos.

I’m a big fan of Altra Lone Peak and Timp shoes that seem to check the boxes above

Perfect. I find the timp a half size small as well. I also find the timp slightly more stable!

The lone peaks use a EVA foam where the Timps use an EVA+TPU midsole. I’ve found my Timp midsole to last significantly longer than the Ego EVA of the Lone Peaks and Olympics

I have not found the right shoe yet, no. I have found the Altra Lone Peak, Olympus, and Hoka Speedgoat midsoles to all lose compression rebound before the sole or uppers wear out. I don't have enough miles in my Hoka Mafate Speed 4 to make a determination, but they feel really good. I think the Ego Max midsole on the Altra Timp 5 has much better life than the Ego EVA, but is too firm for long days. The Nike Zegama 2 would've been a homerun for me if they didnt use the weird heel cup sock liner thing.

The Speedgoat is significantly stiffer than the Mafate. Altra Timp is a wonderful hiking/running shoe if you are interested in zero drop.

I just picked up the Altra Timp 5 this season and I've been really liking it, they seem to fit a little better in the heel for me than my Lone Peaks. I will say the laces are on the short side and for whatever reason I have a helluva time getting them adjusted correctly on my left foot, but it always correct on my right. But once I get it right they're great!

Altra has worked best for me. Lone peak or Timp 5 are the ones I’ve worn 

My current pair of Timp 5 are at nearly 700km and feel fine still. Going to get another pair. I only run on gravel and technical r9cky trail

I use Timp 5s for a happy medium on trails - don’t really need a heel drop when the terrain changes all the time. Using on cloud monsters for road.

I switched to trail runners awhile ago and will never go back to hiking boots. I've had my Altra Timp 5s for about two years and they are fantastic. I've probably put 300 miles on them at this point between running and hiking and they are still in great shape.

If you're willing to stretch your budget slightly and buy one of the less attractive colors, you could probably pick up a pair of Altra's for $100. I bought the Timp 5s two years ago and they have been outstanding and are seemingly going to last forever no matter how many races I run in them. Between New Balance and Adidas, New Balance has really stepped up their game the last several years. I've never had NB Hierro but their entire road line up is fantastic. I'd also look to see if Brooks has anything in your price range. Good luck with the race!

Altra Olympus 6 Altra Lone Peak 8 Altra Timp 5 Yes, I love Altra lol

Did it a few weeks ago, it's about 50-60% excellent, 30% decent and 10% shite (when trying to run it that is). Did it in Altra Timp trail runners with waterproof socks

i do like the Timp 5, 4s were very nice but durability was crap. The 5s have 450k on (will be 550 after tomorrow) and no splitting of the upper at last, Vibram sole still sticky and not worn unevenly

For context I’m 205lb and they didn’t have enough cushion or support. If you’re say 50lbs less then they might be ok. I went with the Timp5. Any Altra or Topo will be terrible with longevity in rocky terrain. They are just not robust enough for the abrasion but so comfortable.

Altra Timp 5 for sure! That wide toe box is soo comfy

Altra Timp! Much preferred it to the lone peak - slightly narrower toe box. I won't fell race in it but will mountain race / sky run and have done with no complaints. Happily bombed down techy trails in it. I found it easier to get better lock down, the Vibram sole is great and good but not unstable amount of cushion.

Altra Timp 5... Vibram, some grip and some cushion. Meant more cushion? Olympus (also Vibram) Want more grip? Mountain king 2 (also Vibram)

I'm an asics road shoe wearer and wear Altra Timp 5s for trail. Altra make some models with drop (think it's experience wild?) Have you considered Topo (good for foot splay, has some drop). Not sure if the NB 5 TR is trail enough for what you want?

I absolutely love my ALTRA TIMP 5 Trail Running shoe. I got mine a year ago so don't know if there's a newer version but I've gone on some pretty legit hikes with them and have had a great experience. I've also done some road running (\~5 miles) on them and while it's probably not ideal for keeping the tread, they were great.

That’s going to be incredibly subjective so definitely go put your foot in the shoe but for me yes. I even bought a second pair as my walk around shoes now.

Currently having a meltdown due to plantar fascitis and my trail shoes (Altra Timp 5s) falling apart my last run. Does anyone have any solid recommendations for a higher drop wide trail shoe? Training for a 45mi and 100mi race. I have a pair of Hoka Challenger 8s coming in wide. Topo Ultraventure 4s wide were too wide and I had pain on the top of my feet with them. I’m also currently working on strength exercises for my feet to help as well.

I have the timp and love them for Colorado but they would not be my choice for mud. Look into innov8 as they make some of the best mud runners around. 

I like the timp 5 but I’ve heard mixed reviews of the boa and would probably just avoid. I beat the ever living shit out of my shoes in the Colorado high country and have had to shoe goo the soles twice in spots so it’s definitely not bomb proof. Haven’t had any issues with the upper though. 

Just a heads up, Timp5 is their more narrow model. I got a pair on sale and on my first run I had some pretty rough foot cramping/discomfort. I almost gave up on them after that first go but gave them a few more tries after to make sure it wasn't just an off day. They have sort of broken in but I still find myself hesitant to take them out on a run as they just aren't comfortable for me. it's a narrow toe box (for Altra) with a very stiff upper that doesn't let the foot move around. If you have the opportunity to try them on before buying, please do so. You may find a different result but pay really close attention to how tight they feel on your foot when trying them on before making a final decision.

My Timp 5s have the exact same wear pattern but the shoes strings too lol they are great tho

Altra Timp 5. Been through the two previous versions of the Timp and I think 5 are the best so far. They're kind of between Lone Peak and Olympus. I have a pair of GTX Olympus (I don't remember which version) that I wear every once in awhile, but I'm not a big fan of how thick the midsoles are and the uppers are really stiff.

Altra Timp 5 but I want to try something else soon but not sure what

If its grip you're looking for see if you can find vibram soles. I've found those to be the grippiest out there. I personally love my Altra Timp 5s but I know Altra isn't for everyone

Surprising to hear! The Timp 5 is the one Altra trail shoe i really liked, I had 2 pairs go 600+ miles, but im also 115lbs so im a bit of an outlier + this is just anecdotal experience that being said, I have a pair of salomon Genesis and topo mtn racer 4's which i both like better than the Timp 5

Have you tried the Timp? To me they have a little more squish than Lone Peak, but not quite as much as my moon shoes (Olympus, lol) I’ve also become interested in trying the MtC shoes but just haven’t branched out yet.

I would maybe recommend the Altra Timp or Olympus series over the Lone Peak for your use case. They are certainly comfier for walking in (especially Olympus for a wider foot), but great for running too.

I have no idea where you’re hearing that altra are the gold standard, they’re usually recommended only if you need one or more of 0 drop, minimal, or wide toe box bc there are few options in those spaces. Durability issues are usually listed as their main draw back.  Personally I feel theyre somewhat overblown, as I’d always get 350-400 miles out of mine before the sides blew out.  However, that still makes them worse than all other brands I use; which almost all get 500 and I’ll stop using bc of comfort or bounce, not bc the sides explode. The newer timps have much better vibram outsoles, they’re super grippy.  Or you can try the topo mountain racer 3 if you’re not stuck on 0 drop, they’re a great shoe and durable too.

fellow PA rock walker here - I’ve had similar achilles issues with all the hiking shoes that actually fit my foot shape but have been happiest with Altra Timps for fit and padding. doubling up on socks has helped with the achilles pressure issues somehow, i use low cut injinji socks as an inner and darn tough hiker socks as an outer.

Be aware that the timps have a different foot shape. Took me too long to figure out why they didn’t fit like the lone peaks.

Im currently on the Portuguese central track, wearing Altra Timp Trailrunners! They have a lot of cushion, good grip, no drop and a wide toebox, which made it a great choice for me!  Ibought 1 size bigger (EU size) and walked them in really well + I use good summer hiking socks. So far no blisters, just some sore spots on the heel :) I saw many people with problems who were wearing either heavy hiking boots OR old running shoes that were too small (no upsizing) and or didn’t have enough cushioning anymore…  Bom caminho 

I've run a 100 in LPs before but I switched to Timps for longer stuff and haven't looked back. They're awesome shoes and I think they're a happy balance between the ground feel of the LPs and not being too mushy. At the time I switched, I was also grateful for Vibram soles (before the 9+ came out). I've also raced in the Mont Blanc Carbons but I found the upper was uncomfortable and had a lot of give. On the downhills my feet were definitely shifting forward despite using a runners knot. I don't have this problem with Timps and I also really like the Timp BOAs. They are super comfy and it's so nice to not have to worry about shoes coming untied and being able to easily tighten or loosen them. My only fear in a 100 is that something breaks and I'm not able to tighten a shoe and it's a long ways to a drop back with another pair.

I found the Lone Peaks to last longer than the one pair of Timps that I've had. The Timp soles just wore out really fast. But they were pretty comfortable!

Regularly do that in my Timp's

I had a different iteration of Terrex a few years ago. For the price, they never quite fit right. Now I hike & backpack in Altras. Perhaps take a look at Altra Timp or Lone Peak.

We have walked and hiked all over Pacific CR. I take trail running shoes, like Altra Timps and have been fine.

Lone Peak has very minimal cushioning. I’d try the Timps they are medium cushioning.

Same. Had too many uppers blow out after only 200 miles. The shoes still had tread and life in the foam, but uppers just toast. Won’t go back until the reviews are consistently better. The only model that seems to buck is the Lone Peak, but it’s not my jam. I really liked the Timp.

Yeah sadly my experience with Altra has been the worst in terms of durability of any brand I’ve used. Edit: loved the Timps while they lasted 200 miles.

Ive run in them on and off for 10 years - longest was a half marathon on pavement but usual soft trails with few stones - roots can be a bit slippery - I own like 3 pairs I like to switch between my Altra timps Hokas and then flat vibram fives can make my calves a little sore from time to time- I like them

I had 3 pairs of superiors shred apart on the upper on both inside and outside just above where it connects to the base of the shoe. Same for 3 pairs of outroads. I've never had a non altra showle do this. They all died at under 250km. I have ~1800 km on a pair of nordas right now, and ~700 and 400 on a couple pairs of Topo mt5s. Ive put over 1000km on each of the last 3 pairs of topo phantoms I have had. I have a pair of timps and they have held up well, and the paradigm 4 was an amazing altra shoe. Altra is absolutely hit and miss and this topic comes up a ton. It isnt and OP thing. Its an altra thing.

I use Altra timp for this kind of mixed surfaces. Wide toe box, zero drop, fabulous fit for my feet. If they would only last longer than they do they would be perfect.

Maybe you could try more padded Altra, so Timp or Olympus. Lately, I'm a huge fan of Inov8, so maybe you could look into those as well. The new models are foot shaped like Altra or Topo but have a bit more support for me. I wouldn't get hoka speedgoat. It's really narrow shoe which could cause other issues on trail.

I went through 4 pairs of Keen mid-Voyagers before trying some trail runners (Altra Timp and Altra Lone Peaks) and....wow! I was blown away at how nice it is to have lightweight, quick-drying shoes with ample toe-box. Sometimes I remove shoes and cross streams in my Crocs, sometimes I just walk through in my Altras. Wear with Darn Tough socks and all the wetness will be wicked away. When you get to camp, take out the insoles to dry the shoe.

Lone peaks wrecked me, timps saved my hike

Altra Timp for a few years now

This is where I am. My feet aren’t crazy wide, but the outsides of my feet are really sensitive (probably from years of skiing). I’ve tried other brands like Brooks and several Topos but they just aren’t even close to as comfortable. I love the feel of Altras LP’s as basically being slippers. I can’t even find other hiking shoes now that are anywhere as comfy. I just wish they had vibram soles - I don’t trust them for Class 3 and 4 stuff. They don’t stick to rock as well as vibrams. I even tried the Altra Timps but they are not sized the same and I toe bang or am swimming along with my outside of feet rubbing. So even thought the durability might not be there, it’s worth it for me to have feet that don’t hurt. And I only go through about two pairs a year. Once done on the trails I make them my dog walking and yard chores shoes for another year. Edit - awww shit, I did not realize the 9 Plus have vibram. Awesome!!

Altra Olympus or Timp have massive toeboxes. Comfy too. Vibram soles and decent lugs on the bottom too. Really trail runners but are good enough for hiking too imho

I've worn the Altra Superior (Altra's standard fit), Timp (same), Escalante (same) and Lone Peaks (Altra's original fit, which is wider). In my experience the toe box on Topo shoes is about the same width as Altra, but the Topos are a bit more snug in the midfoot than Altra's standard fit shoes, which I like.

Altra Lone Peaks for me… I’ve considered experimenting with Topos but haven’t yet. The Altras solved a lot of problems for me when I switched to them and I’m kind of loath to change. I tried Timps once and didn’t love them at all for trail.

I do what a lot of long-distance hikers do: trail runners with a wide toebox and low heel-to-toe drop. Foot doctors agree that splayed toes are good and healthy! And a low heel-to-toe drop promotes a more natural gait. Altra and Topo Athletic are a good place to start. Try on as many as you can at REI. I had to try more pairs than I'm willing to admit before I settled on the Altra Timp for now.

Altra Lone Peaks are the closest to a one shoe solution in my rotation. Hiking, scrabbles, mud, smooth single tracks, camp, driving. They do it all. But I also wear Giros for clipping in, La Sportivas on rock and in crampons, Tevas on the river and Brooks when running on pavement. Altra Lone Peaks won’t ever replace those specialists. And the Altra Timps are my favorite technical trail runner. Good luck.

they have shoes with different widths. for example, my olympus shoes are wider/roomier than my timps. the website shows these differences, look carefully

I’m a huge bedrock sandal fan for hiking but for multi day hikes and longer hikes I lean altra timp for the little extra support and they’re perfect to avoid foot fatigue while carrying a heavy load. I buy them as close to a long hike as a can since durability isn’t as long as some of the more sturdy hikers but I think you’ll find that with any light weight, minimalist trail runner.

I agree, a trailrunning shoe with a somewhat thicker sole and a little tighter/more stable fit is what I use as well. Plus Vibram soles. Works for Via Feratas too. I wouldnt buy another pair due to durability, but I used a pair of Altra Timp for 1½ years and they were pretty good. Would not use a Lone Peak though. Maybe the 9+ with the Vibram outsole. Right now its Topo Pursuits.

6’2” 215 here. I’m using Prodigio Pros right now and they are the best shoes I’ve used, hands down. The problem is finding them in larger sizes. I went through four pairs of Speedgoats but heard the fives had some quality issues, so I moved on to Altra Timps after those. They were… fine. Decent grip, nice toe box, but they started coming apart pretty quickly. I like having something with a higher stack height for anything longer than 20k I’ve got a pair of VJ Xtremes that I use for muddier or more technical trails, and the grip on those is insane, but they beat up my knees past 10 miles. I’ll probably grab some of their Ultras if I can’t find the Prodigios in my size again

Great shoe but it'll beat your feet up on a hundo if you're not accustomed to it. I recommend Mont Blanc Speed or new Timp. 

I have a pair of Torins I use for long road runs and the outsole probably wears down a little faster than say my Kinvaras or Endorphin Speeds but the shoe really fits well so I've accepted it. I use Timps as my main trail shoe and I usually get good life out of those considering how much I beat them up every weekend on the rocky trails around where I live. I have a pair of Mont Blancs I bought a couple years ago but really only use them for racing a few times a year so they are still in great shape. Not sure how they'll hold up to higher mileage as they get older, but I've done a couple 50ks in them, and a handful of half marathon - 25ks and they've held up to that plus a couple training runs each race build.

Altras here, Escalante and Torin on the road, Timp and Lone Peak on the trails. Altra has the Outroad, which is a hybrid, if you're interested in taking a look. I'd try to own a couple of pair at a time, or purchase new shoes with life left on your higher mileage pair, so you've got a fair bit of overlap and can rotate between the two. This could allow for almost constant rotation if you time it right, and tends to extend the life of shoes with higher mileage, as you can begin to use them for shorter runs before trashing them.

Depending on just how technical, I'd also consider the new Timp with the Vibram soles. I really like Lone Peaks, but they can beat me up on techy trails. I find the Timps offer a more secure hold, better for me for more technical trails. I want to try the Superiors at some point, but know they are fairly soft and with the low stack, don't offer much protection.

I ran a 50 and 100 in Timps without changing shoes. I love the 5s. After several years of shit models, they’re back on top.

I swear by the Altra Timp. It has a wide toe box, thick cushion , but the heel isn't higher than the forefoot, so it's a zero drop shoe. I prefer that style . If you don't want a zero drop shoe and don't need a big toe box, than a hoka speedgoat is a great trail shoe.

What you may want is low/medium stack height, not necessarily “stability”. Try one around 30mm or lower at the heel. Saucony Peregrine, Altra Timp (zero drop), Salomon S/Lab Genesis, Salomon Pulsar, etc. Do you have a history of rolled ankles? I do and I and over pronate. I prefer being closer to the ground.

I have probably 4 on regular rotation, 1 pair of speed goats, 1 pair of altras (timp?), 1 ancient pair of road runners/gym shoes, and 1 pair of Salomons (the ones with the almost cleat like tread). I really could get away with probably just the speed goats but I have found that having the option of different heel drops and treads really helps with different trail technicality and conditions as I am wildly injury prone. I retire my shoes after about 500-800 miles so depending on my training volume sometimes that’s once or twice a year, sometimes that’s after 4-5 years

I second this. You can really “feel” the ground in both of those shoes. The Timp is really stiff so it makes your foot feel very stable. FYI - you should size it up 1/2 to full size though

I've used the Timps for over 120kms on some incredibly rocky and bramble terrain and they performed great. Very scratched up but not falling apart at all. I'd ease into zero drop over time but they're a great option

Moved 2 years ago. Escalate and Timp feel apart. Ordered another timp and the build was sick low quality only 1 made it into my foot and returned. Topo is my brand now. Done with Altra

Ditto. I moved from the Lone Peaks to the Timps. Love this!

I used to run in Lone Peaks but have switched to Timps. They have less traction but more cushioning.

The new NB Hierro v9 is supposed to be a solid remake that is a better actual running shoe than previous versions of the Hierro. I think you might like the HOKA Speedgoat or the Altra Experience Wild, but I honestly haven't found a comparable shoe to the KOM that fits my foot like a NB.  Zegama is too squishy, More Trail is gigantic, Olympus too squishy, Lone Peak too thin.  Maybe the Altra Timp but you gotta buy in to the 0 drop thing.  I ran through 2 pairs of those but still not the same feel as the KOM. As a side note gripe: constantly disappointed in NB for dropping and creating new trail shoes all the time these days.  I feel like there's no continuity in their shoes anymore and has caused me to start running in other brands that fit me worse.  The 910 v4/Summit KOM was one of the last great shoes they made.  These days it seems like the More Trail super stack marshmallows or the Summit Unknown racing flat, or the Hierro which is pretty much a lifestyle shoe with a tread and sucks for running.  Maybe the new v9 will be a return to a solid mid stack trail shoe.

I switched to the Altra Lone Peaks from the Timps for this reason. I hated the high stack and felt too cushioned. I love the Lone Peaks. 

I did wear Altras Timp for a 5 day backpacking trip in Lake Clark NP, my feet did great. Shoe didn’t fall apart, but I had low expectations that this shoe will last me maybe the rest of summer

I ended up finding some 5s to try. Agree that the toebox is wider than the 6s. Overall width and length fit my hobbit feet better. I might be imagining things, but wearing them around the house, my feet feel hotter in the 5s. Wish the 5s had gaiter attachments.

Tried the 9s? I’ve had 5s I liked and I have 7s, they held up well enough that it’s the tread wearing out first. Any stark difference in regular utility or fit between 9 and 7? Thanks.

For me it was the uppers and the heel on the 5s, a few months max before they disintegrated.

I use them all the time on thru hikes and hiking in the Lake District. I use Altra with the Vibram mega grip which is really sticky and gives you confidence. The only downside is they don't last as long as boots

Agree with above, I bought my hiking Altras from a running shop. There website has a good list of stockists. Also good to remember that with Hokas, if you buy from the website or the Covent Garden store you can wear them for 30 days and return them for a full refund if you don’t like them

I personally wear non-waterproof Altra trail runners for hiking in the snow, with a pair of Kahtoola micro spikes for icy conditions. It’s been ages since I’ve been on to San Jacinto, so I can’t advise on that specifically.

Altras are amazing but be careful going straight to zero drop for all your runs. I had some serious Achilles issues by doing that. The shoes are fantastic though, just take into consideration they are zero drop.

I love Altra's zero drop, I have two pairs. I also have Saucony Peregrine 13s though with a 4mm drop, that may work better for you.

Any chance I get, I'm barefoot. If I'm at home, I'm not wearing shoes, and I exercise shoeless in the house, too. I *cautiously* think this is why I made the switch to Altra zero-drop shoes without ever even knowing that it presents problems for so many people to do so. Might also be why I immediately felt more comfortable with Altras and will suffer no other shoe anymore.

I have very weak ankles. My left one is rebuilt with titanium plates because I rolled it one too many times. I was very apprehensive about switching to trail runners, specifically zero drop Altra's. I went ahead and tried it and learned something interesting. The frequency of my ankle rolling went way down. I figure the raised heel of traditional shoes/boots were causing me to roll more than my ankles simply being weak. I feel more connected to the ground if that makes sense. Whereas if I put on an older pair of shoes with a drop, I feel wobbly again. I have been wearing altras as everyday wear for almost 3 years and have maybe rolled my ankles 3 times over that time frame. Your results may vary but I think its worth trying out a Zero drop shoe. It may help quite a bit.

I have been in zero drop shoes for about 10 years. Altras have always been the most comfortable for me, but they just don’t last very long. I’m 6’3” 215 pounds, so your results may be better. I’ve pretty much settle on Topos for their decent durability. Since you have narrow feet, you might look at something from Astral. The compound they use for their sole (G rubber) is amazing. Like walk over wet, moss covered rocks with zero shits given type of amazing. I have a wide, high volume forefoot so they just aren’t great for me overall. My Goldilocks would be Altra comfort/Topo quality and durability/Astral sole

Lone peaks have zero drop, which means when you land on your foot you should be landing more towards the balls of your feet and with your feet below your center of mass. This is a more natural running form. If you’re heel striking in zero drop shoes, especially running up or down hill, it’s going to stretch out your tendons way past your norm. I run in zero drop Altras for trail and road.

Yes I use these. I just ran 15m of trails in them this am. I hesitate to give anyone shoe advice (everyone's feet are different) but I really like these. I tend to run more difficult and rooty trails. The only thing I don't like about these is that for very rooty trails the heel height really contributed to ankle rolls. I run about 190 pounds. My go to shoe for races and medium distance is the Nike air terra kiger. My system is the wild horse for long training runs, the kiger for races and most training days (they are lighter and lower heel, less padding), then I keep a pair of altra zero drop for an occasional form check. I'll run like a 5k in them to regain more nuanced feel in my form to check myself on making sure my stride length and strike points stay where I want.

I walk and run in zero drop Altra shoes 100% and have for several years now. I spent more than a year transitioning by running in a mixture of Brooks, then Hoka, then Altras. My trail shoes were the last change I made and even though I'd been running all pavement miles for a while at that point on zero drop the change was very noticeable on trail running. Calf and Achilles soreness galore. I'd never switch back at this point, but take it very slow.

I walk in zero drop shoes (Altras because I like the cushion) and I do trail running in them as well. However, I hate them for road running so I still wear maximalist running shoes for road running.

I have been told by my podiatrist that my feet are hypermobile and I run and hike (lots) in zero drop trail runners only (inov-8 and Altra). Never had boots for any of my adult-life serious long distance hiking. I agree that your PT should give you specific strengthening exercises for your particular issues but I see no advantage wearing boots … just heavy and hot and very slow drying. Every blue moon I roll an ankle but that’s because of tough terrain, not boots, and I’ve never injured my ankles in the process.

I've put over 2000 miles into a couple pairs of Altra runners. I have boots I use for more rugged adventures with lots of ankle rolling risks, but for 90% of trails, runners are too comfortable and light to not wear.

Go to REI and let them Guide you. I ended up with Altra trail runners. They’re great

I use Altra trail runners when traveling because they are light and comfortable and can double as normal shoes in a pinch, but for normal hiking close to home I stick to boots. Trail runners wear out too easy and are too expensive for the amount of hiking I do.

I do xero shoes for everything but backpacking. I've done trips in them for shorter times and have done okay but I'm also a fan of altras. JMT is longer so I wouldn't do xeros the whole time personally.

Durability aside, try on both shoes. If you’re not thru-hiking then durability doesn’t matter much. Yeah, it’ll be annoying if they give out sooner than you expected, but the comfort can be worth the money. For me, Altras are the most comfortable by far. I wanted to switch to Topos due to the rave reviews and the vibram sole, but I had to immediately return them due to their pronounced arch support. My feet hated them and my altra trail runners and road shoes are the most comfortable shoes for my feet I’ve ever worn. I was late to the game so I’m sure I missed out on the glory days, but until another company comes out with a wide toe box and no arch support trail runner it’s altra all the way for me.

I’ve switched almost entirely to trail runners including on a lot,of rugged terrain. I did find that when I was using Hokas that I had an increased tendency to roll my ankle after about ten miles. I like the padding, but have found lower drop shoes to be better for this. Altras are good, but I destroy them in about 300 miles. Trying Topos right now. Not as padded, but low drop with a wide toe box and they seem to be holding up better.

Trail runner will be fine. I was talking to a guy recently that said the AT requires real boots. But even by his argument, trail runners will be fine. The thing with trail runners is when you are tired, it is easier to roll your ankle. I have only found this to be a concern when I was using Hoka. Altras and Topos have less to zero drop and they don’t have this occur for me. Though Altras kind of suck for durability (expect 300 miles unless they fixed things). And Topos have less padding and are not as comfortable.

I have generally given up on durability. I use Altra trail runners and yes they begin to fall apart after 200 miles. But that's what fits me and keeps me outside so it's just the cost of my sport. I could go with something more durable but I would likely pay more and be less satisfied. Also I put in a warranty claim regularly because these shoes often don't last a year at the rate I use them. I often get my money back in that case.

Have you used trail runners for backpacking before? I like Altras because they have the widest toe box. But they are zero drop and that doesn't work for everybody. They work great for me but I know plenty of others have disliked them. A lot of people like Topos and Hokas as well. The point is that shoes are way too individual for anybody to successfully recommend one that will work for you.

I did Paintbrush Divide last July, and this was my exact experience. I wore my Altra trail runners, and they held up well for most of my hike. There was a lot of rain on Day 1, and my shoes were so wet that I they were still damp when I started on Day 2. I continued up to Holly Lake and conditions were MUCH better for that hike...until about 8000', when I started to hit packed snow on the trail. My shoes thankfully dried out and were never a problem again. Our goal on Day 3 was to go up and over the Divide and continue back through Cascade Canyon, and most of our hike that day had crampons to deal with snow/ice on the trail. Unfortunately, we had to turn back just a few hundred yards from the summit because we didn't have ice tools and just didn't want to risk it. The ranger on the trail laughed at us and said basically, "That's what you get for coming in July. See you in mid-August next year."

Topo is the correct answer. Go with Altras if you dont mind your achilles blowing up

Only time I use my Crispi boots is when I’m hunting and might have 100+lbs on my back packing out an animal. Anything else I use my Altra trail runners.

I wear trail runners to play golf. I have no problems with traction and they are better in my feet. Current shoes are Topo athletic. I also wear Altra.

Everything you listed is a valid choice. People have different preferences. I have a few options depending on trail in the mood My default are Merrill Moab 3. I like how cool they keep me, they obviously excel in water (canyoneering, rafting, or just crossing), and I don’t usually feel the need for additional support/padding. I have even boot packed snow for six hours in them. I had wool socks on so plenty warm, even though my feet were soaked. I also have more traditional hiking boots. Columbia Newton Ridge mid WP for cold weather, if my ankles are sore, and just to mix up the pressure points on a multi day trip. Last, I have Altra trail runners. These are incredibly comfortable and I will use them if I’m on pavement, decomposed granite, or bare dry rock.

Bedrock sandals. Seriously. As long as it’s not super cold or you’re hiking in snow. In that case, agree with other commenters, Altra trail runners.

I strictly use trail runners. Like the Altras, though there are a lot of wide toe box shoes out there now. Gone through s lot of scree with them. I do go through them quickly.

Same. I live in the desert so I’m spoiled, but I reluctantly switch from my Bedrocks to my Altras for the 3 months of the year where it’s cold enough to not have sandals make sense. On my first long backpacking trip I started getting blisters from my boots the first day and ended up doing the whole 8 days in my Chacos that were just supposed to be river crossing shoes and I have been a sandal hiking convert since. You could not pay me to hike in boots, but I have pretty bombproof ankles.

I use Altra trail runners from REI. Wide toe box and good grips.

I haven’t worn hiking boots in many years now. I only hike in Altras trail runners (Olympus is my favorite). When I travel for hiking, all I bring is my Altras and a pair of xero sandals.

Yes but a stiffer trail runner will be more comfortable on the rocks. La Sportiva, for example, is better for scrambling than an Altra. Both will work but for Dolomites would suggest something stiffer, with firmer lugs.

Altras are my go-to off the course, and I have used their trail-runners on course with pretty good success.

Altra makes trail runners with a wide toe box. They’re my favorite right now. La sportive has been so so but durable in the past with narrower toe box than altra

I switched to Altra trail runners (half of size up) with injini toe socks or darn tough after trying 5 pairs of Salomons and 2 pairs of Merrels. Great shoes and boots, but too narrow for me. The Altras have been great. I did run into a slight issue when I got gravel in my shoe recently hiking down Goat Lake in the Sawtooth Wilderness, but I removed the gravel,slapped some Leuko tape on the spot that was causing friction, and had no issues after that. It does take a while. I only just found out my perfect combo last year after years of hiking.

As someone with multiple Altras, I’d not recommend them to everyone but they might do well for you. I have two pairs of running shoes, a pair of trail runners, and a pair of boots. I love them. But I also lean toward barefoot shoes and Altra are probably the most conventional of barefoot style footwear. They have zero drop and a very generous, wide toe box that isn’t just simply wide but actually foot shaped. If you have an REI I’d try them out there. You may even be able to scoop them up from a customer return. I got both my boots and trail runners that way for less than 50% the retail price. Edit: If the idea of a more barefoot style boot is of interest, there are other companies that make a traditional leather boot that is easier to re-sole but still has that very wide toe box. I have a pair of Jim Green that I love and have heard good things about Barefoot Boots as well but haven’t worn them myself. The “down side” of these is that they have thin, flexible soles. So less cushion and structure which can be uncomfortable for some but the idea is that it’s more natural and allows your foot to actually work and keep its strength. Not for everyone but works for me.

My Altra trail runners are all I ever hike in. The slim and grippy sole makes them extremely safe in scree and rocky terrain.

For overnight hiking trips I've switched to Altra trail runners and love them, used to use hiking boots and then hiking shoes but these are so much better. I usually am barefoot in a canoe, switch to a keen style sandal for portaging to protect my toes. I always bring crocs (from giant tiger) for camp shoes.