Cascadia 19 Wide

Altra will "train your feet". Just ease into them if you can. They'll make barely any difference if you are a forefoot striker. If you strike with the heel, check out cascadia 19s in the 2E and then if you can afford it rotate with the Altra Lone Peaks or Olympus 275 (make sure if the "Original" shape).

One more vote for the Cascadia 19 wide as someone else who needs a wide midfoot. For people like us, the wide toebox trend has actually made things more difficult in some regards. Just like in this thread, people regularly recommend Altra, Topo, etc...but they aren't necessarily wide where they need to be. I can't speak for all Topos, but I've had a pair of Ultraventures and I currently have the Traverses (standard width, I should note)...in both cases, even the standard Cascadia is noticeably wider in the midfoot. The same is true for my Adrenalines - they are as wide/wider than my Traverses everywhere except the front of the toe box (I personally don't really care about toe splay, I just need my foot to comfortably fit on the insole).

I haven't tried the 19s yet, but I'm pretty sure Cascadias historically have had deeper lugs than just about any Altra and a quick Google tells me the 19s are also deeper than Olympus 6s? Maybe whatever difference you noticed was actually due to the pattern? I spend a lot of time on wet, muddy, leaf-covered trails (southern Appalachians, U.S.) though I don't know how they compare to what you're used to, and I don't have any issues in Cascadias. That said, they are releasing a Cascadia Elite model next year with Megagrip.

The Cascadia 19’s were pretty stable when I ran in those.

My first pair of Cascadia's are the 19's and so far, I've loved them. They're everything I wanted from the Caldera, minus the terrible overpronation from that shoe. 1. These might just be the new laces Brooks uses. Same laces on the Caldera 7's. So far, I've found that I need to try and twist the laces as little as possible, being really careful with ensuring they stay flat after each loop. 2. Totally agree about the back loop. I do have large fingers and it's impossible to use these loops at all. 3. I'm not a gaiter user, but I have noticed a similar trend with other shoes where they're removing gaiter attachments. Maybe this is the way the industry is going? I'm sure they've done enough research to see that the majority of users aren't needing/using them. 4. I've put in about 25 miles so far mixed trail/road running and see absolutely no wear yet on the lugs. They're super soft and I expected to see more wear, but they've been amazing so far. 5. This shoe might just simply be the wrong fit for you. It's a shame that once worked so well for you doesn't fit anymore. Did you end up returning the shoe? Have you tried wearing them longer to see if any of those issues resolve themselves?

Out of the shoes I’ve tried, my favorite have been the Xodus Ultra 4 and the Cascadia 19. They both fit true to size. If you try out the Trabuco Max 4, they seemed to fit small, and smaller than the same size Trabuco 13. And I actually really liked the Trabuco 13, but just found they didn’t quite have enough cushion. Black toenails is pretty normal in this hobby.

My suggestions are Asics Trabuco 13, Brooks Cascadia 19, or Saucony Peregrine 15. None of these are stability shoes but they have mid-stack cushion and work pretty well with different kinds of stability-type mechanisms in them.

Brooks Cascadia 19 in wide for me. Hoka too tight on upper and not durable. Topo too floppy and unprotective.  Saucony Peregrine has a weird fit with loose bendy heel.  

+1 the Cascadia 19 is a good update, and a good choice for wide feet.  It comes in wide sizing too.  For me, the heel fit is a smidge looser than the 18, and the upper a tiny bit snugger than the 18...but those are fine tradeoffs for an otherwise comfortable yet speedy ride.  Plus the Brooks soles last a long time.

Yeah good point, I think you are right there is a little more ground feel.  I haven't found it to be a problem yet for me personally.  I also haven't noticed a significant difference in tread wear yet (lugs still very good after 150+ mi so far).  Still seem to last much longer than my Hoka Speedgoats. So hopefully it's a balanced change.

Can't speak specifically on 100s, but I've paced 40mi in Brooks Cascadia, sized wide, for my hobbit ballerina-shaped feet and they are quite good.  Cascadia 19 was a good update...cush but not floaty.  And the Cascadia soles are indestructible compared to whatever cake icing Hoka uses these days for lugs.

Can't speak specifically on 100s, but I've paced 40mi in Brooks Cascadia, sized wide, for my hobbit ballerina-shaped feet and they are quite good.  Cascadia 19 was a good update...cush but not floaty.  And the Cascadia soles are indestructible compared to whatever cake icing Hoka uses these days for lugs.

\+1. I have similar foot shape as OP, and have tried nearly a dozen different shoe models in recent years...and keep coming back to the Cascadia as the best fit/compromise. The 19 was a very good update too, though the heel got a smidge looser, but it is an excellent and very durable shoe.

I’ve written several comments about the Cascadia 19 on Reddit already. They are my favorite trail running shoe (I don’t have too many options because of my wide feet). I’m able to bomb descents far more comfortably than in any other shoe I’ve worn. I completed my first 100k in them on mostly technical terrain. Cascadias always protect my feet, and this new version is no exception. It just happens to be the most fun version to run in IMO.

I always get the wide! I don’t even bother with trail shoes unless they have a 2e version.

I don’t know about the regular version. I always get the wide version. All Brooks wide shoes have plenty of room for my toes.

I wear the Topo Ultraventure 4 wide, which I like as a do-everything travel shoe. My go-to trail shoe is the Brooks Cascadia 19 wide. One thing I’ve been doing lately is comparing midfoot widths on running shoe review sites like roadtrailrun. I would love to find more trail shoes that fit well.

I will always pop up when this question is asked to recommend Brooks Cascadia wide. The current version is my favorite by far. I have yet to find a trail shoe that works better for my wide, flattish feet. I tried on the Speedgoat wide and knew immediately it wasn’t even close.

The Hoka Challenger wide also gave me blisters, even after I demoted them to a walking shoe. Brooks Cascadia wide work best for me.

The 6mm drop is new to this version of Cascadia! They’re my favorite version, easily.

Brooks Cascadia 18 wide is my favorite. They protect my feet and are comfortable and extremely reliable.

I put Velcro on my 19s for the gaiters because I also run burry trails. I also think it’s the best trail shoe I’ve ever run in, but I’ll update after my 100K this weekend.

I haven’t noticed that issue, but I have the wide version and my longest run in it was 15 miles. The only issue I’ve had is getting them wet with my own sweat in Texas humidity. They squelch like crazy and don’t seem to drain well. I’m going to try my darndest to keep them away from water.

I finished the 100K! It was definitely rough terrain pretty much the entire day. I tied the laces too tight for a long stretch, and there was lace bite. I retied them eventually and they went back to being comfortable. Got a blister under two of my middle toes right next to each other. I was clenching those toes a lot for some reason. The blisters didn’t affect my race, but would have been an issue in a longer race. Other than that, my feet came out unscathed. The toe bumper seems unsubstantial, but it absolutely saved me from a probable broken toe at one point. Except for the stretch when I laced the shoes too tight, I hardly had to think about my feet at all. I was steady cruising on that gnarly terrain all day. Came in well under my “A” goal, which was hopefully more of a testament to the purposeful training I’ve done this year (but the shoes came through).

I had several pair of the 16s and I got the 19s to replace my beaten-up 18s. The plush tongue makes it so *I* don’t feel the laces at all. I also did the heel lock lace loops. The 19s feel SO LIGHT to me compared to the previous versions. It feels like if my Glycerin 20s were made for trail.

It’s funny because “Glycerin 20 for the trails” is exactly how I describe my Cascadia 19s. I have two pair of Glycerin 20s as my daily trainers.

I love my wide Cascadia 19s. Best trail runners I’ve personally worn. Super comfortable. Finished my first 100k race in them. The Conversational Pace guys gave them a good review, including one of them calling it a great thru-hiking shoe.

Not yet. I have 100 miles on them. I was sparing them before my race my previous Cascadia versions had the midsole flatten out earlier than I wanted, but I’m hoping the DNA Loft v3 in the 19s holds up better than the v2 in the previous versions. Outsole still looks great despite my race being technical most of the day.

I ran a technical 100k in mine and I personally had zero problems with the lugs or traction. I’m shocked you had that issue. I don’t know about the insole problem. I switched mine out, but I had always planned to switch to my preferred I insole for comfort because I knew how brutal the run was going to be. My main problem with Cascadia is they always feel too flat after around 200 miles, but not so flat that I’m going to stop using them.

My favorite is Brooks Cascadia 19. I ran my first 100k in them. I feel like I never even have to think about them while running.

I also love Cascadias, but I only use Salomon Speedcross for muddy conditions.

I have incredibly wide feet around the midfoot (see post history). I tried on thousands of £’s worth of running shoes and in my opinion the widest and most comfortable are Brooks. For trail the Brooks Cascadia 18 in 2E width. I actually found this to be wider than New Balance 4E widths, Hoka 4E widths, and Altras.

I find the Cascadia 18 2E width to be wider than the New Balance 1080 4E width. 2E versions of the Cascadia 18 are like gold dust at the moment due to the time of year. All existing stock has likely been sold. Fortunately, the Cascadia 19 is coming out in the next couple of months so they should have 2E versions available.

Brooks Cascadia 19 in 2E. Love them!

Also consider the Brooks Cascadia 19 as they're suited for trail running and hiking. I love mine!

Several brands do a trail version of their road shoes, like the Brooks Ghost Trail. I went with a dedicated trail shoe (Brooks Cascadia 19) and don't regret it at all!