Hoka - Challenger 7 GTX

I also returned a pair of SG6. Mine were the GTX Mid version. They are just too stiff and narrow. I needed a waterproof shoe for running in the rain and also trails. I went with the Hoka Challenger 7 GTX and couldn’t be happier.

Got the Trail iv, so far i ran 415 km in them, theyre still waterproof. The hoka challenger 7gtx, 350km, still waterproof. Im very happy with the gtx

Hoka Challenger 7. Matibay lugs nya sa road. At makapit din sa trail.

Road: Saucony Endorphin Speed, Inov-8 RoadFly, Altra Torin Trail: Inov-8 TerraUltra G270, Hoka Challenger 7 Mud: Inov-8 X-Claw 275

I went back to hoka, using the challenger 7 atm. To be honest all my issues went away when I really pulled the laces apart and wore them super loose 

I would recommend you to use the shoes you ran with it the most. You have a lot of mileage in the speedgoat? Use the speedgoat, even on road. If you really want a road shoe and you have a lot of mileage in speedgoat, go try some Hoka. But if it's a loop, don't forget to bring the speedgoat/favorite shoes. The speedgoat 6 have a 5mm drop, don't start to play with drop atm, use a 4 to 6mm drop if your body is used to that. The Hoka Challenger 7 is a road/trail shoes with a 5mm drop like the speedgoat.

Trail (and ultra)Running (which developed from the more traditional and original fell running) comes in a few different forms these days, mostly due to its exploding popularity. NB: contrary to popular thought, ultrarunning is more ‘doable’ than people think - it’s less intense than road marathons, less competitive between average runners (every course is different, the same course is different on different days / weather conditions). It tends to be more ‘self-competitive’ if you’re not an elite and the trail running community is generally very chill and inclusive. It’s also worth noting that the skills gap between men and women seems to dramatically shorten the further you run. Running on trails for fun, mental health, general fitness. Ultramarathons very much have a huge mental challenge to them. Trail half- and full marathons. Ultramarathons, anything longer than a marathon - 50k, 50 miles, 100k and 100 miles (and beyond!) being the ‘usual’ step up in distances. There are also ‘timed’ races (how far can you run a certain loop or round a 400m track in, say, 24 hours). Plus multi-day events. Even more recent are Back Yard Ultras - a loop of 4.167 miles, and you have to complete 1 loop every hour…until you can’t! Last person standing wins. You can fathom the logistics / challenges of this yourself! Eating, sleeping, toilet stops! 4.167 miles because 24 loops in 24 hours = 100 miles. Then there’s all sorts of wacky and mental variations on the above. Trail and ultrarunning also takes place over differing terrains. Some are flat, most are hilly to varying degrees, some mountainous, some in deserts - basically anywhere you can do an endurance race there is one! Often hill / mountain training - both up and down - is essential to training. Most non-elite ultrarunners will hike the hills and run down. Both need practice and differing fitness. I recently did 10YFan (10x up n down Pen y Fan in 24 hours), partly as training for other forthcoming events. It tested out my uphill hiking fitness and helped my downhill fitness and speed over ‘technical’ terrain. There’s a knack to chucking yourself downhill as fast and safely as possible and it takes practice. NB: I’m a bog standard ultra runner. Shoes very much depend on terrain. Some popular brands are (and I’m not extolling the virtues or otherwise of any): Hoka, Nike, Salomon, Saucony, Altra, Brooks, On, Inov8, New Balance. There’s loads. Have a look on SportsShoes.com and search trail shoes. There’s different models with different pros and cons for different terrain. I’ve got loads of different pairs / brands (it’s a sickness!) but FWIW I used a hybrid trail/road shoe for 10YFan - Hoka Challenger 7. Very spongy and soft, durable AF, with decent enough grip for that terrain. It’s very much personal preference though. As an aside, there’s TONNES of amazing ultrarunning films on YouTube. Hit me up if you want some recs. In short, there’s a lot of overlap on the Venn Diagram of hiking, trail running and fast packing. And some kit is interchangeable for reach. I can’t be arsed to spell check this, so if there’s any grammatical errors - SOZ!

Unpopular opinion, but I got some hoka challenger 7’s with 600 miles on them! Last 200 were single track mixed with pavement. They’re toast now but have held up so well! Where my heel sits is ripped through and the lugs are finally worn from transitioning to more pavement running for the start of a road marathon block. I have tried my best to keep them dry and use my old pair on rain runs, they’re being retired on Tuesday as I finally bought some road shoes for my upcoming marathon block.

You are me! I weigh 200. I run to the trails in my hoka challengers! They’re awesome I do such a mix that they cover everything! I even ran my first marathon in them on the road XD I finally bought some road shoes too though. But when ever I run to the trails it’s the challengers

Hoka challengers is exactly what I wear in this situation. They are literally made for road to trail. I run to the trails on rainy days, smash around than run home. Best shoe.

TNF enduris 4. I have a ton of miles in Challenger 7 and the Enduris and you won’t be dissapointed. TNF shoes always seem to be on sale online also.

speedcross is really for running in the mud I'd say. Feels fast, but wouldn't pick it for an ultra. Running in many different shoes myself, currently would pick my Salomon UltraGlides or Hoka Challenger 7, but currently like my UltraGlides better

The exact same thing happened with my Challenger 7's after a few months. I'm not buying Hoka again. I understand normal wear and tear but to have a massive chunk just fall off the bottom of the shoe is ridiculous.

Nike Pegasus Trail 5. I have been using Pegasus Trail 4 extensively and it was one of the best if not the best hybrid shoe out there. Had two pairs, ran over 1400 km with them. Now got the new version Trail 5. It seems great too. I tried Challenger 7 and 8 on but I didnt like their heaviness and they didnt seem so much hybrid, they were more robust and bulkier into more technical hybrid terrain.

My go-to for that situation is the Hoka Challenger. I've been running in the 7s but the 8 is out now and it looks like the tread is improved. The lugs on the 7 are basically just square, on the 8 they have more angles for more grip. My biggest complaint is that they can be slippery on wet pavement. Not like I'm worried that I'd slip and fall, but sometimes when running up a steep paved trail in the rain they just don't have much traction. I'm not sure if the 8 fixes this. I don't have that problem at all in any of my trail shoes with Vibram soles, or my soft squishy road shoes (NB 1080v14).

There's no such thing as beginner trail runner shoes. But if you like HOKA shoes, try the Speedgoat, Mafate, or the Challenger if you'll also be running on the road with the same shoes.

My go-to road-to-trail shoes are Hoka Challenger. I've been running in the 7 for a while, haven't tried the 8 yet but I will when it's time to retire the 7s. I've done long runs of up to 20 miles in them, and folks have done 100 milers in them. I have about 300 miles on mine, maybe 40% of that is road, and the tread is still fine and I have no problem running technical trails on them.

I’m glad to see this post. I want to get on the trails again and was thinking SG but being slightly out of shape, a tennis player, and older, ankle rolls cannot happen at this stage in my life. While cushioning is up on the list, all the talk about high stack height is scary. My previous trail shoes were Hoka Challenger 3 and now they’re 7 so it’s been a bit. Still looking at Hoka but low(er) stack height strengthen the ankles to avoid ankle rolls, Got it. Thanks lol

I bought Saucony Peregrine 15, Trabuco 13, Hoka Challenger 7, and Brooks Cascade 18. Least fav was hoka followed by cascade. Peregrine and Trabuco were nearly identical in how I liked them but peregrine was a little too squishy for what I want in a trail shoe so I went with the Trabuco. I ran in each pair about a block and also ran with a different shoe on my feet to compare. I’d recommend doing something similar if you have a place you can buy online and return in person.

I’m a widefoot, but Topo Ultraventure is my favorite shoe for exactly this scenario. I originally had Hoka Challengers in wide, but they blistered my feet even if I just used them for walking. Hoka Challenger 7 are the first shoes I ever gave up on.

I literally got < 300km out of my Challenger 7’s before my knees started hurting

Hoka Challenger 7 in all black. Designed specifically for roads and trails. If you're accustomed to very low or zero drop, the Altra Outroad is a true road to trail shoe.

I have the Challengers 7 and I have run in them for almost 450km. They are good shoes to transition between road and trail and I find them very comfortable [I run a couple HM distances and never had an issued nor pain]. A few cons: - when the road is wet, they lose grip and the foot almost slide back when you are putting force to propel yourself forward - when you get into muddy terrain, since they are not in goretex, your foot get soaked in an instant (for the same principle, it dries quite quickly because of the material the shoe is made).

I just got the challenger 7 as well, took them out for 15 mi on a relatively flat trail that was iced over this weekend and felt great. Ankle lockdown is always an important issue for me too, (never been able to use Pegasus because of heel slip) and didn’t have any issues.

I was also a Speedgoat gen 4-5 guy and loved them! I switched to the Challenger 7’s for the same reason, bad SG-6 reviews. The Challengers have been very comfortable for my road runs and have lasted over a year. If you’re just non-technical runs I highly recommend them! But don’t expect much durability if you take them to trail, especially if it’s rocky or sandy.

Another vote for the Challengers…they’re so much more comfortable to run in than the SG’s.

Agree 100%. My Hoka SG’s are sitting in the closet…and I’m enjoying my third pair of Challenger 7’s.

I use the HOKA Challenger ATRs for my combo runs, and I go up 1/2 size for the extra room.

Hoka Challenger ATR’s are really good on the trails and “good enough” for road running in my experience.

As already said, use couch to 5k with the mix of walking and running but have your “running” as something just above a fast walk rather than a full on sprint. If you need to walk more then that’s absolutely fine.  Shoes are a completely personal choice and I’d highly recommend going to a shop to get fitted and maybe even do a treadmill check if they have the facility. Trying on shoes is key to find what you like and what fits you right. Depending on where you run, a hybrid set like the Hoka Challengers may be better than hardcore trail shoes.  And listen to your body when you’re starting. Injuries often come from doing too much too soon. If you’re in this for the long haul, there’s no need to be running like you’re prepping for an ultra in the next few months. Just get out, start to gently push yourself, and try to have fun!

Hoka Challengers are my go to shoe for mixed terrain with light trails. They feel like slippers when they’re on and I’ll choose them over my Speedgoats whenever I can. 

I’m not a fan of GoreTex running shoes as they’re less breathable if you have hot/sweaty feet like me, and if you get water in the top of them then they stay wetter for longer. Breathable shoes are much more preferable.  And yeah, get to a shop and try some on if you can. I have some Speedgoats as they were the best fit of the four or five I tried. The hybrid Hoka Challengers are great for light trails and the most comfortable shoes I’ve ever had. 

Hoka Challengers are my go-to for most runs. Must be 1,000km into this pair at least.  And Speedgoat 6s for the heavier stuff. Went into the shop to go for something else after a bad experience with the 5s but they were still the best fit of everything I tried. 

Love my Challengers. I use them for over 80% of my runs and the tread doesn’t wear too quickly on the tarmac; I’m about 1200k into this pair and probably looking to replace them soon.  They’re like wearing slippers compared to my Speedgoats. 

I’m on my third pair of Hoka Challengers as they’re great for the majority of what I do, with a pair of Speedgoats for harder terrain. They last pretty well too with my most recent ones going for 1,200k before I retired them and I still use them for walking.  (I’m not a Hoka fanboy but whenever I’ve been into a shop to try new shoes, I’ve still always preferred these ones). 

The Hoka Challenger is a really good door-to-trail shoe.

The foam on the zegama 2 is more comfortable for me for long efforts than the challenger. My feet get sore in the challengers a lot faster than the zegama.

I swear by the hoka challenger. I know some folks who only do trails prefer the speedgoats. I’d say go to a shoe store and get fitted up and see what you like.

Trail: Hoka Challenger Road: Hoka Clifton Hoka Mach 6

I wear Challengers in the southeast, but I've also slid down more than one clay embankment.

Hoka challengers have been holding up well. And the support is positively divine!

Hoka challengers or adidas terrex for dry days, Salomon quest 4 gore tex for wet/muddy/snowy days

I have tried ASICS Gel Nimbus TR and Hoka Challenger. ASICS is way more comfy esp on the road, but has slightly worse grip on the trails. Challenger looks much better imo, so I like using it as a travel do-it-all shoe, but for road to trail runs I’d pick the ASICS every time.

Thanks for your perspective. My boots are Merrells and my trail shoes are Hoka Challengers. I just did Baldy in the Challengers so I’m sure they’d be comfortable enough for Catalina. Just wondering mostly if the additional backpacking weight would necessitate sturdier footwear.

First, there is nothing that wrong with using road shoes on trails. 25 years ago there was no such thing as trail running shoes and people did fine. If you do want specific shoes and like Hoka then: Hoka Challenger if they are smooth trails or mixed road trails. Hoka Torrents if they are rougher trails.

I've never worn Speedgoats, but I've got Challengers and Cliftons that fit true to size for me!

Love my Challengers and I don't think the tread is too much for daily walking on the street. It's not Vibram and there's enough cushion so that you don't feel like you're walking on a slab of hard rubber. Or at least I don't.

I liked the Hoka Challenger, though there's probably shoes with more modern foam these days. Outsole was good enough for light trail without being a Vibram sole, which I thought would have been a drag on how much I was using it on the roads.

The crowd can relay anecdotal evidence on which shoes last and which don't, but none of us can say with certainty which ones will feel comfortable to you. It looks like you're using boots. HanWag are some beefy bois & last, so if you like 'em get another pair. Most of the folks here will recommend trail runners. There are endless discussions on why & when to use one or the other so I'll leave you to do that research yourself. Just remember that runners have an average lifespan in the 500-800 mile range. I will say that in general, runners are super comfortable so worth trying on some pairs to see what you think. Maybe even buy a pair & test 'round town. But if you want something that will last years, stick with boots, whether low mid or high top. Personally, I've switched mostly to hiking sandals and now only wear my trail runners during the fringe seasons when it's a bit chilly for my piggies. In near (or below) freezing weather, I still use my boots, which are Keens and have lasted me about 10 years with only the heel fabric wearing down and are still comfortable to me. My own anecdotal is that I've found Altras to be very uncomfortable to my feet. My runners are Hoka Challengers. I've even found their SpeedGoats to be uncomfortable to me while others swear by them. The Challengers have held up as well as any runner has (about 800 mile life for me).

Hoka Challenger a good shoe but probably a bit on the heavy side.

It quite as heavy as you but I’m a lot heavier than most people writing shoe reviews. Big fan of the Brooks Caldera. I found Hoka Challengers too squishy and Peregrines too firm to if that helps frame my opinion. The calderas are thick enough not to bottom out under a heavy person but firm enough to not feel like you’re running in oofos.

I'm not sure about the zero drop, but I'd look at Challengers or Speedgoats. Always loved the wide Hoka models for my thick toes

If you like Hoka, try the Challenger. It’s a good all-terrain shoe with an approachable price point.

Ultraventures have 5mm drop though, not 0. I use them for a similar purpose as OP and love them for it. After 600km they’re still looking great, whereas the Hoka challengers I was using before were falling apart so badly after 400k I had to tape them together just to finish a run.

i am a big guy (6’0 270lb) and i prefer my challengers over my speedgoats. the SG are a tad bit lighter but the challengers are just more comfortable as a beginner. can’t really go wrong with either of them tho in my very limited experience

So I loved the Speedgoat 5 (wide), the 6 is ok but just isn’t the same. Kind of makes me sad. Challenger is different but I think I like it more than the 6. I know this is probably the wrong sub but does anyone have a road shoe that gives me those SG5 feels with a tread I won’t wear off in a month on the pavement?

I daily wear trail runners. Hoka speedgoat 5s felt like they wore out really quick (but super comfy and I'd do it again if they still made them). Wearing challengers now and I feel like they're doing just fine though. Probably a different compound or something. I'd imagine the answer is just "it depends"

Have you tried the wide in the Hoka Challenger? I ran through the winter in Clifton’s on those sorts of surfaces and I think the Challenger is like the Clifton with better grip. I’m between the challengers and inov8 next. +1 on the comment about not bothering with gore tex. Your feet sweating make it like a rainy day every time you go out and they smell way faster. Maybe try some waterproof socks if you’re really bothered, a friend hike in sealskinz socks.

Hoka Mafate Speed 4 or the Challenger are both good options. Mafate is perfect for non and technical trails. But its main role is purely trails. One of my fav trail shoes ever. Challenger is a road to trail shoe or hybrid. Its a shoe you'd use when running from your house to the trail. It can do a bit of road running and its decent in non technical trails. The tradeoff is It'll do both roles decently but it doesnt excel in either. Any pure trail shoe you pick will wear out pretty fast if you run it on asphalt often no matter the brand. Easiest answer is to just buy 2 pairs one for road running and another for trails. Something like a Hoka Clifton + Hoka Challenger combo would work perfectly for you and both are usually on sale too.

Challenger don't have good traction on wet surface (both tarmac and offroad), so I avoid them on wet, but on dry surface, shoe is fantastic.

Yeah same I loved my Challengers for about 100k. Won't get them again in a hurry

Just picked up S/Lab Ultra and loving them after Speedcross (narrow), Challenger (clunky and sluggish) and Lone Peaks (lovely but flimsy)

My first thought was Hoka Challenger. Great durable all terrain all round shoe

Hoka Challenger is a hybrid shoe. Very comfortable on road.

Hokas, Challengers have lasted me a good 6-8 months. I don't walk 15Km per day but walk 10Km about 4 times a week.

I switched from Altra to Home Speed Goats and ended with Hoka Challengers. Switching to Hokas was the best decision I made and kept me going.

Same. I love the Challengers. There is a goretex version, too.

I don’t know if they’re too trail for your needs, but I absolutely love Hoka Challengers. Work well on streets and less technical trails, I fell in love taking them to Peru and now use them anytime I need a hybrid. But the tread may be too much for London street walking as a daily walker.

Yup, this is my go to travel shoe. Hoka Challenger is similarly capable for road to trail but not the best looking for casual wear imo

Not much grip and I found the foam to be unstable. Sold mine. I'd get Tomir 2 or Mafate 4.

Had lots of issues in my Hoka trail shoes, challengers and Speedgoats…switched to Altra Olympus…amazing

I feel your pain... :/ Had similar problems. What helped for me is that I switched to Injinji toesocks plus I tie my laces differently, I use a runnersknot but then I extend it and I tie the knot on the instep/midpart of my foot. So the front of my foot is more secured. It's a bit of a hassle and you'll need extra long laces occasionally. But for me it worked alot better, still losing the occasional nail every now and then but alot less pain. Edit: I use Injinji ultra run crew (size 45-47) and Hoka Challengers (size 47 1/3). Where as my road shoes are usually 46.5

In my opinion, Speedgoats would be the way to go if that's the only Hoka you're considering, but I'd also highly recommend the hoka challengers. About to start my hike in a couple months in lightly worn Hoka challengers - but I almost went with speed goats! One of my parents is an ultramarathoner/trail runner and went with me to REI to help me choose between a few different shoes there, and while we both liked the speed goats and my gait in them we noticed one small issue: micro spikes. If you're going to be wearing spikes at any point during your hike, check to make sure that dip in the outsole in the back center of the speed goats (and in any shoe you're trying) doesn't render your spikes in that spot useless. I am using kahtoola micro spikes, and on speed goats the back center spikes are right over that outsole gap and as such don't actually dig into any snow/ground when pressure is put on the shoe/you take a step. Not sure about other brands of spikes, so if you have spikes that work with the shoe, awesome!! Hoka challengers have, from my and my parents experience with them, very similar benefits to speed goats but slightly tougher/longer lasting tread than speedgoats, slightly better grip on rock, as well as work great with Kahtoola micro spikes. But if the speedgoats are what you're set on, my regular-marathoner parent absolutely loves them and wears them as a primary hiking/trail running shoe, so really you can't go wrong there haha. Just be aware of the arrangement of your micro spikes if you use them!!! As for the wearing out issue, Speedgoats will wear faster than challengers due to the make of the outsoles, and excessive road walking will kinda kill Speedgoats. Challengers can tolerate it due to the tougher outsole, but they'll also wear out faster on pavement. Overall though, I'd say they're worth it despite that issue, and nothing stops you from almost literally running them into the ground with how much of an outsole they've got on them.

Just beware that wide in most traditional shoes, Hoka included, widens the midfoot without really widening the toebox. I have wide Challengers I was trying out and they're great shoes, but the pointy little toebox just isn't working for me. My two big toes have some pretty awful blisters right now from being pressed in.

Hoka Challenger is a comfortable road to trail hybrid. I also enjoy (even more) ASICS Trabuco Max 2 for trail/road. Puma running shoes have “Puma Grip“ which works great for both roads and trails. The MagMax and Deviate Elite models are great.

If you like hokas, I train in challengers and race in Stinsons. They've both got a bit of stability in them and I've never noticed a loose ankle feeling, but then again everyone is different.

Just gonna throw my 2 cents that the Hoka Challengers have been awesome for me. They’re not so beefy that they only work on trail, so mixed runs where you’re on road and trail are great. They’re super grippy and have gotten me up 4k+ft of tough trail, but are perfect as daily drivers as well.

Hoka Challenger in wide with custom insoles, (I use Archcrafters), is my perfect, run anywhere shoe

I ran in Fuerteventura with the Challengers on rough trails that petered out to volcanic landscape. They were comfortable enough on sand and rock, but a little ripped up and worse for wear. I'd want something tougher for a repeat adventure.

I haven’t ran in mine yet, they feel narrower and a little stiffer than the 5s but not necessarily a bad thing on Rocky technical stuff… I love my challengers for dirt road but if the race is even somewhat technical I wouldn’t race in them .

this is my answer too. They are also a good “just what I’m wearing” shoe for short trips, if your style constraints allow it

Everyday road/faster workouts: New Balance FC Rebel v5. Love. Light, snappy, great feel that’s not too cushy but still plush. Mixed road/trail/non tech: Hoka Challenger. Honestly this shoe is so good. Great blend of plush and support while still feeling light enough. Stable and reliable, assuming trail Isn’t very technical. Long trail/more techy: Salomon Ultra FdH. I’d like to give a shoutout for this shoe. I think its price takes it out of the conversation a bit, esp since it’s not really a “super shoe” eg. Terrex Agravic Speed Ultra (see below). The combo of the foam, the plate, the fit and the grip are really superior IME. If it were 20% less money it would give a lot of shoes some competition. But then again there are lots of shoes I’ve never even tried. Terrex ASU-fast, runnable trail and race day. Love this shoe but have realized I didn’t size down enough. But even a bit big it’s impressive and fun as hell. Haven’t run loner than 14 miles in them but with 100 or so miles in them I can say I agree with most reviews: they are awesome but are not not the most stable. And the upper at the ankle may not work for all. Lots of shoes I’d love to try out there!

Mine developed a tear pretty quickly (100 miles or so), the grip started coming away from the sole… they were relegated to dog walking shoes after about 150 miles. Comfortable, but do not last. Also quite wide fitting.

I haven’t run the catamount but have been on some of the trails at Trapp and lots of others in the area. I always wear trail shoes but nothing very aggressive - think Challengers or Ultra Glides mostly. If you had to, you’ll survive in the 860’s, though you’ll need to watch your foot placement in places and the midsole may be thrashed when you’re done. You’ve got some time though, maybe go try a few pairs on?

I basically do 90% of my runs in Hoka Challengers, which are a road/trail hybrid. For more technical and trail only runs I switch to Speedgoats.

Google “road to trail” shoes … normally throws up some brands on offer . I’m fine using my road daily’s ( brooks adrenaline) on shorter easy dry trail runs if there’s road as well. Hoka Challenger are good hybrid but mine didn’t last as long as I’d hoped . I’d buy them again though as they fitted well. Ideal for longer undulating ( dry) British countryside .

Hoka challenger is designed specifically for this. I'm on my sixth pair and they are fantastic for road and any non technical trail 

Check out the Hoka challenger. Take advantage of the 30 day return policy. I wanted to like the speed goats but they just don’t work for my foot so I returned them and tried the challenger and have loved them.

I have about 10 running shoes. 4 trail; 3 road-to-trail hybrids which are Nike Pegasus 5 and NB heirro 8. The NB has more cushioning and good to less technical trail, the Pegasus handles wet, mud better and speed work. NB better for longer distance, say 20-40k. Hoka challenger also great for hybrid if you like cushioning. Then all trials I have Hoka mofate speed 4. Testing these ahead of my first ultra (52) in May. Uk based and this race could be mega boggy, wet, slippery with hills, or dry. So I may use a hybrid if dry the week before. So far the Hoka seem great, so much grip from the vibram sole, but good cushioning (I’m 95kg so I pound the trail lol). Doing 30k tomorrow so will see if they hold up with the cushioning! I tried the Nike Ultrafly too which were good but not worth the money so i returned them.

The new Rabbit High Country is really filling this void for me. Previously I’d gone with the Hoka challengers or just a road shoe. New balance rebel works on lighter trails.

I do like the Challenger but had some real, uhm, "challenges" with my knee (very swollen) after my last 100 and feel like I might need a bit more "cushion" for a 100. I originally bought the Challenger because I like Speedgoats a lot in training, but my races have not been technical enough to need that much lug/grip (unless it were to rain). Since you have not used the Challenger for a bit - what is your go to shoe for very long distances on light to moderate trail?

this is very helpful, thank you! Did you ever try the Tecton X2 (I did and absolutely abhorred it... cut into the back of my ankle hardcore and I read that was a common issue). The 3s are so pricy that I don't think I will try them. I will look inot the NF Enduris and Topo Vista. It's fun to try different shoes and ultimately, I could fall back on the Challengers if need be; I can get 500 miles or so on those and they are priced so well.

Thank you! That is interesting regarding the Challengers experience you have had - the Hoka Tecton X2 did that to me and it sucked so much! The reason I am considering switching for my upcoming race is because I've had horrible knee swelling after a 100 in Challengers and obviously that could be from a lot of different things BUT I wondered if a bit more cushion might help mitigate the issue.

Hoka Challenger, haven’t worn them in a few iterations but they def work for it. 

Hoka Challenger’s working well as a hybrid shoe for me

Stick with Hokas and check out the Challenger. I run Clifton’s on the road and bought Speedgoat 3’s years ago as I started running trails more. Always felt a bit too narrow (esp in to box) I got the challengers and love them. They are hybrid so ‘some’ road use is ok but better for just trail. Hope this helps- ps the footbed is almost exactly the same as Clifton if you’ve worn those or have access to them. This info came from Foot Traffic in Bend, so I trusted the dude and didn’t regret it.

Something like the Hoka Challenger would probably work along with gaiters. But the real answer is: Go to your local running store, get fitted and see what feels comfortable, train in them on similar terrain, race, profit.

Something I’ve noticed is that you lose the wide widths in the GTX option. If you don’t absolutely need the waterproof, I’d skip it. Just use wool socks and Vaseline your toes for warmth in winter. Hoka Challenger or Speedgoat could be a good option from the brand. Brooks Caldera is another one I love for mileage & comfort on a mix of paved & trail.

Hoka Challenger is your shoe 🤙

Hoka Challenger for mixed road to trail runs, where the trail section is non-technical. Hoka SG5 for long distance and technical trail/alpine running. Norda 001 for general trail running and feeling fancy. Have 500km and them and still not sure how much I love them but the brand is rad and the tech is cool. New Balance Fresh Foam X Hiero v7 for walking around, possibly the most comfortable shoe I’ve ever put in my foot and make me question why I’ve ever worn any other shoes.

Agreed with the road shoe suggestions. I used to use Hoka Challengers for mixed running but they are overkill for gravel or well maintained paths. Road shoes are way more comfortable and faster.

I'm finding the same. Good shoe otherwise

I don't really know of any one personally who uses adidas terrex unless they're sponsored. Not the best pair. I personally use Merrell. It's cheap and sturdy but quite heavy and not too agile. Hoka challenger and speedgoat are good for more established trail routes, especially if there are a lot of road sections. Salomon speedcross is great but the toebox can be a bit narrow. Altra is great, especially for people with wide feet, but not very durable and not very supportive. Which race are you joining?

Hoka Challengers are everything to me and will need to be pried out of my cold dead hands. I just bought out so many when I saw they are discontinuing the 7 😭😭

I use Hoka Challengers for this exact purpose.

depends on how loose and the incline. I use Hoka challengers for tracks that don't need as much grip as Speedgoats for example.

+1 for a hybrid shoe like Hoka Challenger to start. Can always relegate them to a training shoe.

Agree with this. Went speedgoat to matafe and they’re unbelievably strong yet responsive. I feel invincible in them (wet / icy road, packed trail or mud) and stomped on a random stone which I think in most shoes would’ve broken my foot (it was painful enough for me to stop and go oh shit). The challengers are comfortable but garbage as trail runners, I bought them as a walking trainer and they’re bad enough at that in wet weather. Still do daily road mileage in them but wouldn’t buy again.

I have Challengers and I use them for work. I just did the TCT in 13 hours in a pair of Nnormal Tomir 2.0s. Felt great.  Challengers can be a bit stiff/firm in my opinion. If you’re attached to Hoka and worried about the extra weight and your comfort, I think Speedgoats might be a better option for you as they’re a lot more plush. Either way, as others have said, almost any trail shoe will be a better option than boots. Good luck!

This is what I do. I have Gore-Tex Hokas for winter. And I add a pair of wool socks.

I’m on my 3rd season of switching to trail runners over hiking boots. Everyone may have a different experience but for me, my feet have never been happier (Hooka, Speedgoat 5).

I’ve switched almost entirely to trail runners including on a lot,of rugged terrain. I did find that when I was using Hokas that I had an increased tendency to roll my ankle after about ten miles. I like the padding, but have found lower drop shoes to be better for this. Altras are good, but I destroy them in about 300 miles. Trying Topos right now. Not as padded, but low drop with a wide toe box and they seem to be holding up better.

Trail runner will be fine. I was talking to a guy recently that said the AT requires real boots. But even by his argument, trail runners will be fine. The thing with trail runners is when you are tired, it is easier to roll your ankle. I have only found this to be a concern when I was using Hoka. Altras and Topos have less to zero drop and they don’t have this occur for me. Though Altras kind of suck for durability (expect 300 miles unless they fixed things). And Topos have less padding and are not as comfortable.