Inov8 - Trailfly G 270 V2

I bought the Altra Outroad 2 for this niche last year, does the job well but I always felt the foam was a bit cheap feeling and almost squeaky. The Outroad 3 has just come out though. The other shoe that I used for mixed surface runs was the Inov8 Trailfly 270 - another 0mm dtop shoe, but I would say a much superior one. Better ground feel, lower stack, better build quality and overall just a great fit and forget shoe for a bit of everything. I think they still make it but have maybe renamed the model. It's not really advertised as a road to trail, its advertised as an ultra shoe. Another shoe that might fit the bill but i haven't tried is the Merrell Long Sky 2 - they are really cheap roght now so trmpted to pick up a pair. Again, they are advertised as long distance trail but they aren't crazy aggressive lugs, low stack and 4mm drop, supposedly some of the best groubd feel. Might order some they are like £60 on sportsshoes.com

I would look at Inov-8s range - I haven't tried everything obviously but they are UK designed in the lakes and tend to cope well with the mud here. I like the Trailfly 270 because its a good all rounder that copes with most, not a mud specialist but good on mixed surfaces without being overkill for road sections. I find anything mud specialist will slide on wet tarmac. The new Trail Talon Speed looks good. Very low stack and decent but not excessively long lugs for softer ground. Probably my next trail shoe basec on reviews

I would look at Inov8's range - there are various models with varying drop and characteristics, but they do tend to be very low stack - which is the main thing that I find helps ankles. I like the old Inov8 trailfly 270s - I think that they have stopped naking them but they are still available online - these are zero drop and low stack, but were designed to cover long distance on various terrain. They are definitely nimble. Some of their new 'Speed' racier models have like 4mm drop and less than 20mm stack so could be worth looking at.

Altra Outroad are good for this if you get on with zero drop. They are great value and good all-rounders, my complaints are they are a little heavy and run hot in summer. In the past I've used the Inov8 Trailfly g270 for these mixed surface runs too, probably a nicer shoe than the Altras in terms of build quality and feel, but won't have enough cushion for many. No idea what the new replacement model is like. Craft shoes worth checking out, I haven't tried myself but they have an emphasis on road to trail. I think some models have outsoles by Vittoria bike tires which is cool. Reviews often say the uppers aren't great though. The other one could be the Inov8 Roadfly. I have seen mentioned a few reviews that they have a decent enough grip for light trails (like 2mm) and I'll likely get these to replace my Outroads.

I had the Inov8 Trailfly 270s (I think they still make but renamed to something else) which are 0mm drop and pretty anatomical, maybe not as much as Altra/Topo. I probably didn't appreciate just how good these shoes were until I tried several others. Very nice fit and forget trail shoes that just worked on most surfaces. They don't have big lugs though so not a mud specialist. I also have the X-talon 212 - probably a better tool for the job being more of a fell/bog shoe with big lugs. They have excellent ground feel. I don't think that they are as wide or foot-shaped as other Inov-8s though you would maybe have to size up. They aren't particularly cushioned which I like but depending on what you are used to maybe not for long distances - you'll maybe feel beat up coming from Hokas. I haven't tried myself yet, but I think that on paper the new Inov-8 Mud Talons could fit the bill really well? Scarpa also have some stuff that could work well. I now have the Topo MTN Racer 3s also. Again a pretty good all-rounder, they aren't actually very racey, more of a plod shoe. Good vibram sole (possibly the same as your Topos). I like them but don't love them as much as I thought that I would. I could see them working for long mixed surface runs though.

Yep 100% That's what i mean by not loving the Topos, they feel heavier, clunkier and hold onto moisture, ground feel not as good. I used the Inov-8s for a Tough Mudder obstacle course in the sloppiest wet and they drained well and performed better than the tread would suggest. They are the preferred shoe of most Inov-8 distance athletes so that says a lot! Edit: typos

I have very wide feet and my inov8 trail fly G 270’s are very comfortable. I love vivo barefoot in the gym but too thin for outdoors for me.

Road: Saucony Endorphin Speed, Inov-8 RoadFly, Altra Torin Trail: Inov-8 TerraUltra G270, Hoka Challenger 7 Mud: Inov-8 X-Claw 275

I was / am a fan boy of Inov8 trail shoes but it seems like they rebrand everything in the Trailfly line up at the same time. Why can we not ever just go back and get the same model again. I do have 3 pairs of the trailfly 270 in the boxes left and they are my favorite. But it seems the 280 and the 300 are gone? I had been using all 3 and would get a couple more 300's if they were available.

For most UK hiking trail runners are great, I made the switch to Inov8 G 270 from a pair of Scarpa boots and don't regret it. I have a pair of slightly larger boots for when its really minging out but as someone else who also runs hot, trust me your feet will thank you.

The Inov8 G270 are really great. Simple, rugged, wide toebox. They also drain well – Topo (good shoes otherwise) keep wet forever.

Inov8 Trailfly G 270 has way more durability and is also a zero drop shoe.

That’s quite accurate. I have a Hoka Speedgoat. First impression is good. Yet it’s the least used shoes (almost never). It just doesn’t feel good when running. I wear Inov8 Trailfly G270 every time. On my fourth pairs of those now (from back when it was called Terraultra). This is obviously personal to me as everyone know that everyone’s different 😆

Going to try and stock up on as many pairs of G270 and X-Talon Ultras as possible before they all go. Not a fan of the new line of shoes at all. Where could I go for low drop, low stack and wide fit trail shoes? The VJ iRock+ look good but only 5.5mm lugs.

Yeah last count was over 20 pairs As for my favourite, that would be a use case scenario For PB's it'll be my Puma nitro fast r or takumi sen 8 For a road to trail shoe Topo ultraventure 3, very comfy and supportive whilst not being slow just a good all rounder As for a daily it was the og prime x, didn't love the X2 but either way they rarely come out as I have injury issues, which keep me from using them much as I love them Topo mtn racer 3 for trails, or inov8 g270 trailfly when is a short run and I feel the need for speed Anything else?

My first ever trail runners were altra lone's (6?) because I wanted to see what a wide toe box was like, and I fell in love with how large the toe box was, but the shoe durability and shoe fit (apart from the toes) weren't the greatest (I don't have wide feet). Got the inov8 trailfly G 270 about a month ago and the wide toebox isn't as wide as altra and coming from the altra my toes do feel a little bit more "trapped" (it isn't actually trapped, it just feels trapped). My only true gripe with the shoe is the tongue at the top. I don't like the tiny sliver rather than a normal tongue with padding which is much more comfortable

Most running shoes last around 400 mi / 650km.  Best for me have been Inov-8 Trailfly 270 G (on 3nd pair.. first two survive more than 1500 mi / 2400 km). About the same from Vivobarefoot Gobi II (whose top is still good.. resole them). Xero has a 5000 mile sole warranty… but they hurt my feet so I have no personal experience with longevity.  I get more than 2000 mi / 3200 km using the thicker soled sandals from Luna.  Boots and approach shoes can do better than typical trail runner but not order of magnitude.  See long term (13 pairs) review https://www.frankrevelo.com/hiking/gear_footwear_belleville.htm

The graphene soles on Inov-8 really do seem like an improvement.  Grippy with longer than normal life.  I got 1200+ miles out of each ultra/trailfly 270 G I used.  No holes in uppers, some lugs still left on the sole.

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Such a shame since they are reportedly are safe, feel better on the skin, and often don’t leave you looking like a ghost. If the trip is short and I don’t have any sun screen from the EU left I will bring a [Neutrogena Mineral stick](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09MV4618C/). Around town where I don’t need to worry about form factor or TSA I will pick up whatever is the top rated sun screen that is liked by both [consumerlab](https://www.consumerlab.com/answers/cancer-causing-compounds-benzene-benzophenone-in-sunscreen/carcinogens-sunscreen/) and [ewg](https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/executive-summary/). # Clothing I have notes about [selecting clothing](https://verber.com/clothing/) which goes into my thoughts in more details. UPDATED: [Shammas Elite Maximus](https://shammasandals.com/products/maximus) I love the feel of running almost barefoot and the small space they take when packed. I find the Shammas lacing system more comfortable and they have better traction than any of the Luna I have used, and they have better ground feel than Bedrock sandals. Lasted 1000 miles so far.  [Inov-8](https://www.inov-8.com/) Trailfly G 270. Zero drop trail running shoe with a 12mm stack. Great fit for me: just enough room for my toes to splay while gripping my heel perfectly. Used for backpacking or trail running when the terrain is too challenging for my sandals or when I need to wear closed toe shoes. They have been acceptable footwear in snobbish establishments and no one has ever commented about them. I wear in transit and pack my sandals. The graphene infused soles are more durable than typical trail runners. At 1400 miles there is still a bit of tread on the highest wear areas of the sole and the uppers still look ok. Discontinued and replaced by the [Trailfly Zero](https://www.inov8.com/us/trailfly-zero-mens) which I haven’t tried yet. Hopefully same great fit and durable. Alas, not available in black, or any discreet colors. :(  2 [Xoskin Toe Socks](https://www.xoskin.us/50-Pro-Series/50-XOTOES-Toe-Sock-Anklet/) prevents blisters forming between my toes when walking or running for extended distances. I have worn one pair 30 days in a row doing 16 miles of hiking each day without blisters, even when my feet are wet. They weren’t stinky after six days of continuous use and not washing (yes, this is gross, but I was backpacking and running an experiment). These were a new pair, they are more prone to pick up odor after several hundred miles of use. Gets 700 miles before first hole appears. With darning can often make it to 1100 miles. Downside is harder to put on than normal socks. STORED: Darn Tough Socks.  Not needed. Xoskin is getting the job done and the Darn Tough can’t be used with my sandals. 3 [Icebreaker Anatomica Briefs](http://www.icebreaker.com/en/mens-underwear/-anatomica-briefs/103031.html?dwvar_103031_color=401)  The most comfortable underwear I have worn. They dry quickly and resist odor. Only downside is that they bunch up a bit in hot weather when carrying a backpack. I wash the pair I wore at the end of the day… they typically dry overnight. Typically get 600 days of wear before they need to be replaced. [Xoskin Compression Shorts](https://www.xoskin.us/MENS-COMPRESSION-RUN-SHORTS--TIGHTS/40-Mens-MID-Compression-Shorts-MID-Rise-2-Way-Stretch-XO-Waist-Band/) Great for many highly energy activities. Has eliminated chafing on long, hot runs, and of course work fine in less demanding circumstances. Ok as a swim suit. No pockets, but items placed on the leg are held in place by compression. Not durable enough to cycle in without shorts over them. When not subjected to extreme abrasive conditions, first hole appeared after around 600 hours of use, but performance is still good. [Patagonia Hydropeak Hybrid Walk Shorts](https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-hydropeak-hybrid-walk-surf-shorts-19-inch/86475.html?dwvar_86475_color=INBK) Dry in a couple of hours while hanging, faster when wearing. They are very comfortable, give me good freedom of movement. Not excessively “technical” looking. They can function as a swim suit – no drawstring but snug enough fit that they stay on when I dive from a high board. 2 [Outdoor Research Ferrosi Transit Pants](https://www.outdoorresearch.com/products/mens-ferrosi-transit-pants-300251) Acceptable looking in urban settings (wish didn’t have the OR logo on the pocket.. though typically hidden by my shirt) while providing great mobility. Unless it’s 99% humidity, dries in a few hours and is comfortable in hot weather. I have some concerns about long term durability… noticed some light pilling near my knee after around 120 days of wear but only noticeable when my eye is inches from the fabric. Time between washing required varies between 1 day (muddy trails in hot weather) to 5 days (urban, low activity, cool temperatures). Other [good pants](https://verber.com/pants/).  [Icebreaker Anatomica Tee-shirt](https://www.icebreaker.com/en-us/mens-tshirts/merino-anatomica-short-sleeve-crewe-t-shirt/103033.html?dwvar_103033_color=402)  Merino wool with a bit of nylon for durability and a bit of lycra for a body hugging fit. This tee-shirt fits me perfectly, is super comfortable, doesn’t smell after a week+ of wear, dries overnight, and my wife likes how the shirt looks on me. UPF between 15-30? I get around 500 days of wear before an Anatomica Tee looks tired, and 600 days before the first small holes appear. This is my default shirt unless I am want something covering my arms (sun protection or warmth). I think Icebreaker makes the best merino tees, but there are a number of other good options from Smartwool, Outlier, Wool&Prince, and several other companies. While I love merino wool, there are advantages to synthetic technical-tees: absorb less water, dry more quickly, and are more cost effective because they tend to be cheaper and longer lasting. [Arcteryx Cormac Hoodie](https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/mens/cormac-hoody) A casual UPF 50 shirt. Slightly textured which I find reasonably comfortable when I am hot and sweaty. When using a crystal deodorant resists odor for 3+ days of normal activities, 2 day of vigorous activity. Provides full sun protection. Resists stains pretty well so spills generally clean with a quick rinse, but after 130 days of use there were stains which won’t come out. Thankfully light stains on the heather mostly blend in. I found this shirt dries in less than 3 hours after being squeezed, rolled in a towel and hung in a cool indoor room with modest ventilation. When hung in bright sunlight it dries in less than 1 hour. Also dries in less than 1.5 hours when I am wearing it in moderate temperatures and humidity. This is my default shirt for “outdoors” / “athletic” activities. The Outdoor Research Echo is a good alternative for many: lighter, cooler feeling, with a slimmer fit, and good anti odor. Unfortunately for me, the Echo’s UPF is 15-20 has resulted in me getting sunburn when I spend all day outdoors in locations which have >10 UV Index. I have notes about other [base layers](https://verber.com/base-layers/). [Outlier AMB](https://shop.outlier.nyc/shop/retail/amb-button-up.html) Merino Wool Button Up Shirt. Very comfortable. Nice looking, resists wrinkles and if I don’t spill food on it can be worn for more than a week without washing. Dries overnight. Good air permeability, surprisingly comfortable in warmer conditions. My default long sleeve shirt when in urban environment. No longer made. STORED:  [OR Astroman Button-Up](https://www.outdoorresearch.com/products/mens-astroman-ls-sun-shirt-282279) UPF 30-50, light weight long sleeve button-up shirt. Jack of all trades, master of none. If I could only have one shirt for adventure travel, this is what I would take. Good sun protection and reasonably comfortable in hot conditions, but not as comfortable as Cormac Hoodie. Reasonably dressy, but the slash pocket, tendency to wrinkle, and lack of fabric structure isn’t as dressy as a good wool, cotton, or linen button-down shirt. Resists odor for 2-4 days at “normal” activity levels, 1-2 when highly active. Dries in a few hours when hung up after washing. First shirt not durable: shoulders piling badly after just 10 days of serious backpacking. OR replaced it under warranty. We will see if I had a defective shirt. ADDED/STORED:[Jolly Gear Triple Crown Shirt](https://jollygear.com/products/triple-crown-button-down-long-sleeve-purple-turkey-trail) Button down shirt with hide-able hood and thumb loops, UPF 30, modestly stink resistant (it's polyester), and fast drying. A flashback to the 1970s. Works on the trail and in the city. The pattern is printed on the outside, so when you roll up the sleeves plain fabric is revealed. Not as cool wearing as my Cormac or Astroman sun shirts, but certainly more "stylish". A bit much for me, but my wife loves it and I regularly get compliments from people when I wear it. # Outerwear The following clothing allows me to be comfortable at all actively levels when the temperature is 25F or warmer, and colder if I am engaged in high aerobic activities like running or cross country skiing. [Macpac Nitro Pullover](https://www.macpac.co.nz/macpac-mens-nitro-polartec-alpha-pullover/115606.html) Made from Polartec Alpha Direct (90gsm). Almost no water absorption and dries super fast. Very air permeable… I can feel air flow at walking speed in still air. Very light insulate without a shell, surprisingly warm under a shell. Great when active in cold conditions. Worn whenever my shirt isn’t warm enough. I am comfortable sitting in 68F wearing the Nitro and a tee-shirt, but when I pull up the hood and layer on a shell I am comfortable down to 40F doing light work (walking 2mph flat terrain), and in colder conditions when more active. Not as fragile as it looks but guessing 1/4 the lifetime of a classic fleece. There are lots of good options for an [insulation layer](https://verber.com/insulation-layer/). [Montbell Plasma 1000 Down Vest](https://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=25146&p_id=2301259&gen_cd=1) Incredibly light weight vest which provides moderate insulation for my core. I have the Japanese version which has pockets. With a long sleeve shirt and shell I am adequately comfortable down to around 45F. When combined with a tee-shirt, Macpac Nitro, and a shell allows me to be comfortable while walking down to 30F. Combined with Nitro and Micro Puff keeps me warm enough in any winter conditions I am likely to encounter in the next few years. More acceptable looking over button down shirt / under blazer than my hoodie. Less than perfect for me: cut is a bit too boxy the neck doesn’t seal well. Montbell DryPeak Jacket made from Shakedry. I can actually wear it and not be soaked by sweat when active! I have done zone 2 runs for 2 hours in 48F rain with just 1 gram of water accumulating. Waterproof and doesn’t wet out. Works well as a wind shell. Shakedry is somewhat fragile and is discontinued… hope something equally performant comes out soon. Other options are discussed in my post about [rain gear.](https://verber.com/rain-gear/) [Enlightened Gear Visp Rain Mittens](https://enlightenedequipment.com/visp-rain-mitts) Super minimalist protection for hands. Keeps my hand comfortable from freezing to around 50F when engaged in modest activity [Foam Visor](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09JTTQC8H/) Keeps sun, rain, and sweat out of my eyes when running. Often combined with a hood which protects neck and ears. [Montbell Umbrero Rain Hat](https://www.montbell.com/jp/en/products/detail/1128716?fo=0&color=IV) is a 1.8oz folding hat which fully shades my face, ears, and neck. It’s fully waterproof but still provides the best ventilation of any hat I have used. It deforms but usable in <25mph winds. I paint the inside for UV protection. I think it’s silly looking, and periodically have people point and laugh… but I have also received compliments and have had people chase me down to ask where they could purchase one for themselves. The tube inside the brim breaks after 2-3 years of everyday use. There are lots of other good [hat options](https://verber.com/hats/). ADDED: [Zpacks Vertice Rain Pants](http://www.zpacks.com/accessories/wpb_pants.shtml) are simple, light, breathable, waterproof rain pants. Have used them occasionally in cool rain when commuting by bike, hiking, or backpacking. After a few years of light use I am getting some minor leaking in the seat, and the bottom cuffs are fraying / delaminating. I go back and forth with bringing them. Last year they really didn’t get used.  I am adequately comfortable wearing Terrebonne or OR Ferrosi in the rain and then allowing them to dry on my body.  I brought the Rain Pants out for when we spent several weeks in Iceland and doing the NH section of the AT, and was glad I brought them. # Exceptions There were several trip segments in the last year that planned to mix urban life with  multi-day backcountry / wild camping. For these segments I initially switched to a 40l  [Hanchor Tufa](https://www.hanchor.com/products/Outdoor%20Series/TUFA%20Ultralight%20Hiking%20Backpack?locale=en) which weights 26oz and carries up to 17lb with comfort, usable up to around 27lb. The Tufa uses a full length foldable foam pad to provide structure. I found it more comfortable than a HMG SW2400. When the roll-top is fully cinched down qualified as carry on for most airlines. When I was able strip down to just my back country items it was able to  scrunch into Spirit Air personal bag sizer. I carried my laptop in the “pad pocket”.  I recently switched to a pack which I found more comfortable to carry. The [Zpacks Arc Hauler 50l](https://zpacks.com/products/arc-haul-ultra-50l-backpack) weights 24oz and carries up to 22lb with great comfort, and was usable up to nearly 30lb. When the roll-top is fully cinched down qualified as carry on, and it compresses well when carrying a low volume load. On some of the backpacking outings I was able to leave my “purely urban” gear behind. On other outings, I hauled everything with me.  I think a detailed list of items I used for back country is beyond the scope of this subreddit, but here is a lighterpack   [combining urban and wilderness camping](https://lighterpack.com/r/fasyec) that I used for several months.

Hiya, (this is my 1st Reddit comment ever, and I'm talking running shoes, what's wrong with me!). Been a very good client of Inov8's for years (Mudtalons, Traiflys 270 1 and 2, Roclites 290, 275 1 and 2, 280 Ultra...), I'm also concerned. My favourite overall for my terrain (Irish hills and mountains) is the Roclite 275, I've bought the Trailtalons (standard), and find them terrible, heavy, tall, unstable. I was thinking giving a chance to the Trailtalon Speed, but have you tried it? How do they compare to the Roclites? Thanks!

Hiya, (this is my 1st Reddit comment ever, and I'm talking running shoes, what's wrong with me!). Been a very good client of Inov8's for years (Mudtalons, Traiflys 270 1 and 2, Roclites 290, 275 1 and 2, 280 Ultra...), I'm also concerned. My favourite overall for my terrain (Irish hills and mountains) is the Roclite 275, I've bought the Trailtalons (standard), and find them terrible, heavy, tall, unstable. I was thinking giving a chance to the Trailtalon Speed, but have you tried it? How do they compare to the Roclites? Thanks!

The only Inno8 I have tried is the Trailfly G 270, and found them to be plenty big in the toe box.

Just viewed the latest Run4Adventure video. The Inov8 booth showed the upcoming zero drop and max stack (for Inov8) shoes. Have a pair of the v1 270's laying around. Theses two with the new midsoles are intereting

The Trailfly G-270's have become my go to all rounder. Loads of room in the toebox. Zero drop took a little adjustment but didn't rush it so no issues.

Pretty much anything other than Speedgoat 5's (they're shit) will do. Of that list I only own the Inov8's - and they're my favourite trail shoe. Nice wide toe box, light enough, cushioned enough, pretty responsive but don't batter your feet on roads, and enough grip to cope with far more technical ground than the NDW. I'm a big fan. Just in case you're not aware they're a zero drop shoe. They were my first zero drops and there was an adjustment, your calves do feel it. Well worth it though.

The Trailfly Ultra g280 used a nitrogen foam, as far as the reviews go they were great just again not that light. I only used and still use the Trailfly g270 v2, it has really great durability having over 800k, didn't used their new lineup yet.

I turned my G270s into fell shoes via the key cobbler in Kendal. Got the Vibram peak lugs put on and they were fab! (Shoes already had 300+ miles on and I put on another 300 after the re-sole before they died).

Just chiming in to second the Trailfly G270. I've run an ultra in Lone Peaks recently and it worked very well as it wasn't a very technical one, but I definitely get the sloppiness you're talking about. I think it's mainly the very loose upper paired with a kind of wide platform. Mega comfortable for long runs on easy terrain, but as soon as it gets technical I go for the Trailflys and they work really well for me, excellent grip and control but still enough room for wide feet. Topos are fine too, but the fit doesn't quite work for my feet except for the Runventure 4 which unfortunately is a bit too minimal for ultras for me, but they're all great shoes as well.

Inov8 Trailfly G270v2. Have stocked up since they've been discontinued! Unbeatable combination of fit, comfort, versatility and build quality for me. Great on anything except really sloppy mud. Expected that Inov8 will announce a replacement shortly, but I don't know how they'll better it, plus I've heard bad things about their build quality of anything released in the past year.

Inov8 trail fly would be my choice for this.

Trailfly works for me on trails and tarmac.

The new Inov8 shoes all have anatomical toe boxes ( at least as wide as Topo), and their Trailfly (4mm lug), Traltalon (6mm), and Mudtalon (8mm) are all getting zero-drop versions released in the next couple of months. They will have a 12mm stack height though.

I don't know about Nordas myself, but about Inov-8. They quite recently brought back a zero-drop model, and they have wides available. I also get heel slippage with Altra 9+ wides, Trailfly zero has nice and snug heel. Trailfly Zero is basically same width in the toebox area, but shaped differently. Altras rub my big toe, Inov-8 squishes my little toe. For the same shoe size Altra is a bit longer and more voluminous, it could be half-a-size difference.

I have been told by my podiatrist that my feet are hypermobile and I run and hike (lots) in zero drop trail runners only (inov-8 and Altra). Never had boots for any of my adult-life serious long distance hiking. I agree that your PT should give you specific strengthening exercises for your particular issues but I see no advantage wearing boots … just heavy and hot and very slow drying. Every blue moon I roll an ankle but that’s because of tough terrain, not boots, and I’ve never injured my ankles in the process.

I've put 200km on my Inov8 TrailFly and they barely show any sign of wear. They're an awesome shoe: ample toebox, low stack, low drop, solid grip.

I run moderately technical trails in the Inov-8 TrailFly (wide) and I love them. Good traction, decent rock protection etc. They've done a lot of miles and are still going strong. I'm considering the RoadFly to replace my Kinvaras now that Saucony discontinued the wide fit.

Topo’s. Altra grip sucks whereas Topo use Vibram so you don’t fall over as soon as it rains. The new Inov-8 fits in wide are pretty good too - less toe room but good width through the midfoot. Topo are pretty standard fit in the midfoot (I’ve not tried a wide fit of theirs) so depends where your foot is wide.

I am in the same boat with wide flat feet and about 200lbs. I have found the best success with the Altra Lone Peak (although I know you said you didn't want zero drop). The other shoe that has worked for me is the Inov8 Trailfly in wide. They also just released the Trailfly Max if you want a bit more cushion. Both are 6mm drop.

I've been using Inov8 TrailFlys and love them. Probably easier to get where you are. If you can find the Ultra 300 G (discontinued) in your size, that's my favorite for racking up miles in the Sierra.

i found the inov8s to be far too thin, do they take some breaking in?

Everyone is piling on the Topo recommendations and I agree they're a great option. Just for some variety I'll suggest Inov8 though because I prefer my Topos for hiking and my Inov8s for running. The Trailfly comes in standard or wide, has a foot shaped platform just like Topo and Altra and is 6mm drop. It also comes in 4mm drop (Trailfly Speed) and will be available in 0 drop (Trailfly Zero) this season. Either Inov8 or Topo will blow Altra out of the water for durability in my experience.

Thanks - i run 30-40km a week so i burn through a pair of shoes in 3 months unless i rotate and change them about. Mafate vs TrailFly - totally different. The trailfly is firmer and more ground feel, with low drop, and a roomy, but rugged upper. The Mafate is comfy, soft under foot, with great grip for really long runs. they're kind of a go anywhere, jack of all trades shoe - the trailfly is more suited to soft ground only, but the lugs and grip are surprisingly good. I use the trailfly to help build up my ankle/calf strength, which is worth knowing - if you've not run low/zero drop, then you need to take it easy an acclimatise.

This is a good suggestion, although I think the latest Speedgoats are now a clear step below the Mafate Speed 4, which are better in every way. They also both come in a wide option. For a more technical shoe with better lugs, look at Inov8 - the TrailFly is good for longer, faster paths, and the TrailTalon for deeper, muddier or more difficult terrain. They come in Max, Speed and Zero Drop options, and they have an anatomical toe box shape like Topo.

If you’re looking for a trailshoe I’d go for a road-2-trail type. Personally I use a pair of inov-8 trailfly as everyday shoe.

So mid stack / mid cushion lol. Altra Lone Peaks, Topo Terraventure, Inov8 Trailfly (or Trailfly Max, but that's possibly too high stack). These are all shoes I've liked which have enough cush and balance for long rocky runs but aren't stacked high.

If you don't have a very wide heel/midfoot you could also try the Inov8 Trailfly or Trailton wide models. Foot shaped, wide at the front and with a durable graphene sole. Both available in zero drop versions. I went from the Lone Peaks to these models and couldn't be happier, they better hold the midfoot in place on oneven trails if you don't have a beefy midfoot.

As a wide footer... Try an Ellis Brigham or Up& Running for some Inov8 Trailfly, they're pretty wide apparently but weren't wide enough for me. After that try Altra, but they're zero drop. I didn't really get on with them on the treadmill. I'd recommend Topo MTN Racer 3. They've got a wide forefront and are the best fitting running shoe I've had for my feet.

Salomon Genesis work as good road to trails, deal with mud well and i've used up to marathon with no issues as they're well cushioned. Saucony ultra or peregrines - ultras are more cushioned and great road to trail but peregrines are find for short road sections and have a slightly deeper lug and deal with mud and wet grass really well. Peregrines are also my choice of mountain shoe so work well, did a 100k in them and only had some foot pain from minimal cushioning at 50ish miles in! Just got the Nike Zegama 2 and they are fab so far! Managed well in mud, snow, slush and are really cushioned. Need to try them out on more technical terrain but all good so far. They have the react foam so they give a lot of bounce on packed trail and road. Inov8 trailfly i find good on rock and grass, less so on mud, and a bit firm on road, but not terrible.

Inov8 trailfly and nike Zegama are pretty wide comfy fit

Altra and Topo are traditionally what people suggest for a wide toe box. Unfortunately in my experience, the grippy ones only come in zero drop which is probably not what you want. Inov8 have a wide toe box and also wide fit in most sizes. The trailfly are likely your best bet.

Inov8 trailfly. Durable, simple design and can find for good deal on ebay.

I find the Inov8 trailflys are very comfortable to run on the road as well as trails

I was a terra ultra and now trail fly user.. I never noticed any difference

Idk but the Trailflys I got gave me IT Band issues for the first time in my entire life. Been running my whole life.

inov8 Trailfly. You've got the Trailfly Speed, Trailfly Max, Trailfly Zero or standard Trailfly all with either a standard or wide variant. I'd also add that their last is as wide as the old Vivobarefoots and wider than the newer Vivos. Comparable to the Altras that I have in a similar size. I measured these by overlaying the insoles on top of each other.

I’ve gotten great longevity out of Inov8 trail runners. 800-ish Appalachian Trail miles on a pair.

Yeah I’ve used both Altra and Inov8 on long distance hikes and Inov8s are far more durable. Altras will give you 500 miles *maybe*. My current pair of Inov8s have 700 miles on them and they’re still going. They also have the best sole material I’ve found for slippery mud and rocks.

Inov8 with graphene has very good grip. Nike trail have no grip at all

I started noticing this a couple years ago and planned accordingly. For me I have huge feet and it's hard to find good shoes. For those in my situation and like a low drop and low rise, look into Inov-8. I've only bought these shoes since early '23 and I hope they never change.

Topo mtn racer has better grip. Inov8 has better grip also; Trailfly for hard trails and Mudfly for wet/mud.

I’ve been wearing Inov-8s for 15+ years for trail and fell running and even moved to them for XC races when achilles injuries meant I could no longer wear spikes. Always done the job for me, reasonable value and regularly available with chunky discounts online.

Inov-8 has a bunch of models in a wide size now. Even the older models I use have a lot of room for my toes. Durability is fine I think, compared to what I read about Altras.

I'd say yes (not having used the latest models personally though). I find mine very comfortable.

I just ran a 50 miler in Altras and my feet were amazing throughout. But I have trained in them and Inov-8s for over a decade

Don’t know of any places that offer that kind of support but you could try inov8. They’re outsoles are supposed to be tough. The ones I’ve used fell apart before the sole showed any wear. They’re sizing isn’t very consistent though so worth trying in a shop if you can find them.

Only Inov-8 and VJ are going to be mega-grippy in the Adirondacks, followed by footwear with Vibram, then everything else. That said, I'll still throw on a pair of Sauconys for the Great Range and just keep the footwork quick and light. At least the ADK granite isn't as slippery as Vermont schist!

VJ or Inov8 both are wider and VJ has the best rubber on the market

You should give the Inov8 shoes a try. I remember the older Merrell Moab shoes to last pretty long for most people, though no idea on the quality of their current shoes. How much do you weigh?

Have you found an alternative with similar feel but better grip and more robust outsole? I like my 13s for grassy Scottish trails, but they do not feel secure on wet rocks and the outsole wears out too quickly. Inov8s are too narrow for me..

Love the inov8 fit and grip - hate the lack of energy return. Feel like I've got bricks on my feet after 50 miles! Looking for an alternative, gonna be trying the Topo MTN racer for my next winter shoe

I ran Lofoten for a few months in autumn/winter and i'm from the UK and Inov8 are probably the best call here for ground conditions, both very similar.

If you want grip on rock I cannot recommend the Decathlon TR2 and MT3 enough. Uppers will last you 1400km-2000km, i've had 6 pairs so i know. Inov8 do some great trainers but i've had 2 pairs both fall apart in less than 400km on the same trails i run with the Decathlons and i've worked with some athletes on FKT and races and their trainers fell apart quicker than we would have liked too.

Never needed support shoes when running trails. Road I use Gel-Kayanos or GT1000s. Off road I run in Inov8, model depends on terrain. I've had some Salomons but they went AWOL.

Too narrow for me. Gave me bunions

Always always always Inov-8 shoes. Still love my Nathan running vest for hydration for longer trail runs.

I just ordered Inov8, they have anatomic shaped toebox options and wide options, and also zero drop models. I love zero drop and I've been wearing it exclusively for year and a half, but for racing trail I think I might benefit from some drop. I think my calves might also love 6mm drop, but we'll see. Anyway, there are some great YT reviews for new Trailfly and Trailtalon, check it out. Also, I had a pair of Inov8 years ago and they were indestructible, which I cannot say for Altras. LP7 is better made than other pairs I own, though... Torin and Outroad uppers are so poorly made.. I still loveand wear them, but such a shame.

I used to do a race where there were waist deep river crossings. I used a pair of inov8 trainers which drained well, they also had insoles with holes in them that helped. Probably more importantly I used to cover feet in vaseline which helped protect the skin from becoming prematurely "soak softened"

Been in inov8s for decades. Great trail shoe. Full on off roaders are the mudclaw or xtalon. Then there's the intermediate ones. Give them a go.

Inov8 Absolutely love their shoes. One of my pairs is 5 years old and is in desperate need of repair but somehow still get me round semi mudi trails.

Find a reputable gear store with lots of choice, get your shoes fitted and walk around the store, wear the socks you intend to hike in and make sure your feet are warm before you start. If you can borrow a pack off the shelf with some weight in it (if you don’t have your own) walk around the store and up/down steps if you can. Buy the ones that fit best at the price you can afford. If you have weak ankles boots might be better but training walks in shoes can make your ankles stronger. Better grip is more important that being waterproof. I bought a pair of Inov8 shoes off the back of many recomendations, they were the worst shoes ever (for me). I stick with what works for me - Merrell Moab.

Inov-8 are a blast. I have now a pair of Terraultra. Best shoe ever with my VJ Maxx. Incredible sole, and perfect for thin foot.

Second actually trying them on, especially using the sloped stool so you can feel if your toes hit the front of your shoe. I love my inov-8s, my favorite of all my running shoes.

You need to try them on. I tried Merrell, La Sportiva and inov8 when I bought some trail shoes recently. I thought I'd like the inov8 but the La Sportiva fitted better because they are available in half sizes. I have 2 pairs of scarpa boots and would endorse those too. go outdoors is good if you're near one.

I’ve had this with all my trail shoes. Altras, inov8 and Salomon. They’ve all split around the sides all within a year of owning.

I’ve been really impressed with the peregrines. Used them a fair bit over the lake and some steep rocky downhills and they’ve been fab. Far better than my previous pair of inov8s which I think had involvement from Torville and/or Dean in the design

Inov8 have become my favourites

Altras or topos....stable, but not sure they are "affordable". Agreed with others, no such thing as ankle support, but stability for sure. I had a pair of Saucony that felt great, but were ankle sprainers beyond a doubt. Running in Topos and Inov-8s now.

I had a pair of Inov8s which were the best, again from around this time period. And then they changed everything but kept the names the same, my next pair tore my feet up - you can't win!

LP 6,7,8 have been fantastic for me. Dipped my toes in Topo’s but they did not work for me. Inov8 also worked well for me - not as wide as Altra but I found the volume to be quite roomy.

Man, I've beat the hell out of my peregrines and never seen this Inov-8 fits me well as a not wide shoe, but depending on where you are, may not be able to try them on in any stores

La Sportiva. I've owned Altra (terrible) and Inov8s. Sportivas are so comfortable, tough, and they are actually available with decent lug depths.

I swear by inov8 trainers since I bought some last year for hiking the highlands. Very lightweight, decently wide fitting and super comfortable, waterproof too (obviously to a certain extent).