Trailtalon (Standard)

In the market for a new shoe for the arc of attrition next month. Route has everything but likely a lot of mud to contend with so looking for grippy options. My safe bet is the inov8 trailtalon but it really offers no energy return when your legs get tired. Any ideas of any shoes that would be better suited? Wide ish toebox is preferable but perhaps not essential. The stack of the new Hoka mafate wouldn't work for me on that route I don't think with it being quite technical. Considering picking up the normal tomir 2. Any other shouts for shoes to look into? Note I've tried the topo mtn racer 4 and found the mid foot too wide. The Merrell agility peak 5 cut into my heels so absolutely wouldn't use those again Any input appreciated. Cheers

The trailtalons work for my feet but as I say I feel they lack energy return and I know I can run much better in other shoes which offer just a bit. I've got the trailtalon max and find them the same. I recently used the trailtalon on a mountain 100 where I dnf'd at mile 76. She's work well for me but I really struggle when my legs get tired. In comparison at an easier race in my bike ultra flys I was running sub 8 minute miles for the last 5k

Long story short I dnf'd the arc of attrition this past weekend 67 miles in. My legs and feet had nothing left to give. We had exceptionally tough conditions this year, I dnf'd the race last year too. Last year I used the trailtalon from inov8 and this year the max version. Better runners than me say they won't use big lugs because it wrecks their legs and I feel like this is why yet I was grateful to have the security of the grip out there. Only slipped a couple of times in horrendously waterlogged, boggy conditions My question, what shoe would you use in this instance? I absolutely need a new shoe for next time. I get issues with blisters, the Hoka mafate was the shoe I wanted to use but even with good taping gave me issues. I think 5-6mm lugs is probably the sweet spot really. As a shoe for easy trail I adore the fit and feel of the Nike ultrafly, the LA sportiva pro works for up to 50 too as long as I tape my feet well and really enjoy those. Any suggestions for a more appropriate mud shoe for the distance would be much appreciated. Tempted to try the nnormal tomir 2 but read mixed reviews about fit. Any input massively appreciated

Inov-8 Mud/Trailtalon depending on the length of the lugs you need. Topo MTN Racer 4

Hiya, (this is my 1st Reddit comment ever, and I'm talking running shoes, what's wrong with me!). Been a very good client of Inov8's for years (Mudtalons, Traiflys 270 1 and 2, Roclites 290, 275 1 and 2, 280 Ultra...), I'm also concerned. My favourite overall for my terrain (Irish hills and mountains) is the Roclite 275, I've bought the Trailtalons (standard), and find them terrible, heavy, tall, unstable. I was thinking giving a chance to the Trailtalon Speed, but have you tried it? How do they compare to the Roclites? Thanks!

I love Inov-8 the Trail Talons are great.

Long reply here but I understand this quite niche problem all too well. I have a bunion in the same place on left foot but actually have skinny midfoot so always struggle to get a lockdown in 'wide' shoes. The Inov8 Trailfly and their new range works well here. I'd actually go for the standard fit over wide as the toe box is already foot shaped. The width I think is in the midfoot. For example, I have a pair of precision fit Mudtalons and get a super snug midfoot lockdown but the toebox still lets my foot spread. The problem you actually have is that a lot of 'wide toe box' shoes still carry that super straight line on the inside of the foot which obviously doesn't work. Even the Prodigio Pro mentioned is quite accommodating but suffers from this to a degree as the bunion pushes the mesh out and can become uncomfortable by forcing your foot or all toes away to the side. Salomon shoes are quite bad for this, even though I suck it up and wear them as the midfoot just suits my feet. The Trailfy is the comfiest shoe I've worn in years, and I've even cleaned mine up and now wear them for walking around daily and the gym. They do a Trailtalon too if you need more softground grip, plus a road shoe. Edit to add: if anything like me, mine is just on the one foot so if I buy wide shoes, the other is super sloppy. This is why a better shape toe box works better than a wide fitting shoe in my opinion.

I used inov8 trail talon on my muddy 200

The most important thing in a trail shoe, to me, is lug depth. I'm into fell running and just straight lining it off hills so often go out in shoes with 8mm lugs, but for trail running I'd go for a 5mm-6mm lug. As such an inov8 trailtalon could be worth a look imo. That said, most of my races are 5-10km so maybe a more comfortable ride would be preferred!

I used to rave about Inov8, especially for tackling the UK's winter mud. But ever since they rebranded, their shoes have been distinctly average. Nothing they produce is outstanding anymore, and while it's a minor point, they look really cheap now. I'm also convinced the sizing has changed. I get massive heel slip in the TrailTalon, even after trying different sizes and lacing techniques. To me, it seems like Inov8 no longer prioritises innovation or quality.

This is a good suggestion, although I think the latest Speedgoats are now a clear step below the Mafate Speed 4, which are better in every way. They also both come in a wide option. For a more technical shoe with better lugs, look at Inov8 - the TrailFly is good for longer, faster paths, and the TrailTalon for deeper, muddier or more difficult terrain. They come in Max, Speed and Zero Drop options, and they have an anatomical toe box shape like Topo.

I run a lot of the trails here in Kent where we have a mix of fields in deep mud, occasional footpaths and horse trails, and stretches of road to get from one to the next. The Inov8 shoes are good, but the midsole is pretty firm on the MudTalon and Trailtalon unless to take the Max options. Unless you want a really responsive shoe with a lot of ground feel then i'd avoid this. This also goes for some of the VJ Shoes (the iRock or XTRM have almost no midsole!). I really like VJ shoes for the traction though - the outsole is the best in the business. The VJ Maxx is a good choice. I like the VJ Ultra 3 although the midsole started to flatten out faster than i'd have liked. Brooks Cascadia i didn't get along with. Midsole was boring, the outsole not great, and the fit rubbed my little toes. I also think the Speedcross 6 is very firm, and a little treacherous on roads - those big lugs are great in the mud, but terrible on wet tarmac At the moment i am finding the Hoka Mafate 5 to be a good shoes with lots of bounce, and the lugs and rubber are giving me really good traction. But it's a heavier shoe thats really designed to half-marathon and upwards distance. Other shoes that I think might work for you: \- Hoka Mafate 5, VJ Ultra 3, Inov8 Trailfly Max \- Salomon Genesis or S/Lab Genesis \- Merrell Agility Peak 5 \- Saucony Peregrine or Xodus Ultra 4 (not the 3!) \- Asics Fujispeed or MetaFuji get good reviews, but i've not run in them yet

I ran a lot in the G300 Max. Then I used different brands but have recently gotten TrailTalon both the regular and the Max due to the 6mm lugs. Especially the Max is quite enjoyable to run in.