NNormal - Tomir 2.0

Very similar shoes. I made the same switch. I think they’re better made, more comfortable and with a far superior sole. Slightly more heavy/cushy, but still responsive. I run on rocky terrain and haven’t had any issues with stability. The issues the Tomir remedies makes a huge difference imo.

I wear Nnormals Tomir 2.0‘s. They fit similar to Saucony Peregrine 15‘s but are better made. I would recommend going into store to see which one fits best that has a vibram sole. Nnormal, Hoka, Altra, Topo, Brooks, New Balance, Nike, Addidas, La Sportiva, etc. all make legit trail shoes.

I have the Tomir 2.0 and they’re amazing. They’re not super wide at the toe box, but my issue with most shoes is they’re not wide in the midfoot. The stretchy material also feels like it has the right amount of give where the side of my feet aren’t being crushed even if they‘re still a little narrow where my foot is the widest. Too many shoes fan out and are wide in the wrong places for me. Fit is pretty similar to the Peregrine 15, but overall the Tomir is a much better shoe.

Oh and I’ll add that the Nnormal tomir 2.0 has been an amazing workhorse, nearly 400 miles in them and the midsole and lugs are still great under my forefoot which I usually blow through the quickest. I used them for a 60k and hated them but I’ve used them successfully for runs up to 15 miles which is usually the farthest I’ll go before I start using my race day shoes to get used to those. I’m 175 pounds for context.

Doesn’t fit my foot so well but damn they’re built to last. I’ll also say the the Nnormal tomir2.0 is also an amazing shoe, over 300 miles on them and I’ll probably get another 300 out of them. Legit amazing shoe although neither of these are particularly breathable.

450 is unicorn level for altras. Topos last longer in my experience but I’ve only worn the pursuit. If you’re open to other styles of shoes then I would look into a matryx upper. It’s really breathable and extremely strong. The Nnormal Tomir 2.0 has also been amazing for me. It’s not as breathable as I’d like but they’ve got 400 miles on them and definitely have another 200-400 in them.

Love the way the 001s feel but don’t work great for narrower/lower volume feet, lockdown is an issue. Went a 1/2 size up in the 001 and seems spot on. Tried my typical size in the 002 and it’s too small so I just ordered a 1/2 size up. Side wall stuff came unglued fairly quick, I used seam glue on them and it’s kinda holding up. Definitely go for a stitched one like mentioned before. heel cup has given friends issues with rubbing but not for me. After about 60-80 miles they feel like they soften up a bit. If you want a softer ride I can’t recommend the Nnormal Tomir 2.0 enough. 400+ miles and still doing great.

My only quarrel with them is they don’t breath great but that’s the same issue as norda. I’ve done a majority of my training in the tomir through the winter and they’ve been fantastic. Once the heat and humidity sink in I rarely reach for them. I prefer a more minimal shoe anyways but I like to mix it up just to keep the feet healthy.

2 pairs of the Superior 5, terrible traction when wet on limestone. 1 pair of the Olympus 5, much better traction but the midsole packed out around 200 miles in and that’s probably because of the inner flex thing because there’s less foam there. I’ve got some topo pursuits with 400+ miles that are great and Nnormal tomirs with 400+ miles that’s are also still great. I just don’t think altra makes a great shoe for me, especially because I have a narrow foot and would lose multiple toenails after marathon+ distances.

Switched from the Peregrine to the Tomir (via a pair of Inov8) for the same reason, heel blisters and rubbing even though I enjoyed the speed and feel of them. Tomir have been great straight out of the box but do feel bulkier and you don't get quite the same ground feel - saying that I've not tried anything particularly technical in them yet. I'm in the UK and think they will be fine for all weather - got a run in the lake district this weekend that will hopefully test them out.

Same size, UK9. I did read that you should size down I think, but the 9s were in the sale so chose to risk it. I did 25km in the lake district yesterday wearing them though and they were slipping all over the place on the rocks. It wasn't even that wet. Maybe it's just me/expectations because everyone says the grip is great?

Had the same issue with the SG5 and switched to Normal Tomir 2.0 and am very happy with them.

I have >150 miles in the Tomir 2.0 and previously ran in the Xodus Ultra 1 and 2, and Peregrine 13. Also >500 miles in 2 pairs of the Endorphin Edge. Typically run on hard packed rocky trails. First 50-70 or so miles in the Tomir 2.0 felt a bit narrow in the forefoot/toebox. Not a big issue for short runs, moderately uncomfortable for longer runs. Loosening the laces helped a bit. After 70 miles, the insole has packed down and the upper fabric has loosened so they are generally fine for me on longer runs. I know it's not a case of my feet acclimating to being squeezed because my road shoes were squeezing my feet the whole time until I replaced them recently with the wider Mount to Coast R1. I've done several 20+ mile >4,000 foot runs in the Tomir 2.0 with some moderately technical sections, no width related issues anymore. The cushioning is on the firm side and took some getting used to. Endorphin Edge generally felt like a straight upgrade to the Xodus, lighter and faster feeling at higher paces. Some reviewers reported stability issues but I suspect it's due to (1) the Endorphin Edge being too wide for people who run in Hokas and Nikes, (2) high/max stack, and (3) the Endorphin Edge's plate. In my use, I had to slow down slightly on the looser and more technical downhills particularly when making turns but was notably faster with less effort and more comfort everywhere else. Main downside is that it's a struggle for me to get 300 miles out of a pair because the outsole peeled where the cutouts are, and that the outsole material itself doesn't flex well so I've lost chunks of outsole. It was worth the money when on sale but might be harder to find now. I just pre ordered the Mount to Coast T1 and am hoping it will be a good ultra shoe for me. I've had their R1 road shoes for some time and it fits and runs well for me.

You could use the same shoe for trails, hikes, and easier/moderate scrambling but I would strongly recommend separate shoes for road. Roads will eat up trail shoe outsole lugs/tread and when they are worn smooth, you lose much of the traction you'd need for trails so they end up being heavier road shoes. La Spotiva Mutant has been ok but it is heavy for a trail shoe. Don't know exactly how wide your feet are, Altras and Topos fit my feet best but the Nnormal Tomir 2.0 has been good after breaking it in over 50-70 miles. Lots of outsole lugs, durable upper and midsole.

I have ~100 miles in the Tomir 2 and ran extensively in the Endorphin Edge, Peregrine, Xodus Ultra, and Speedgoat. For me, the Tomir 2.0 is most like the Peregrine but with better traction. I wouldn't use the Peregrine in anything over a marathon and ditto with the Tomir 2.0. The main selling point of the Tomir 2 to me is better traction and overall shoe life (remains to be seen) since my Peregrines were done after 270 miles on my usual rocky trails. Of these, I like the Endorphin Edge the most and used it for my recent races and long runs. Outsole life and traction need improvement though, I've straight up lost chunks of outsole.

I have well over 200 miles in my pair, including many 20-30 mile runs. They were a bit narrower than the Peregrines, which was already snug for me. I thought it needed at least another eyelet for the laces and the one piece tongue and collar had a bit of a sloppy fit. Cranking the laces a bit and heel lock lacing helped. Cushioning-wise, felt somewhere between the Peregrine and Xodus Ultra 2. Underfoot protection from rocks was adequate. Traction was good and I liked that there was a lot of outsole material since I had a tendency to lose some outsole chunks in the Rifts, Xodus, and Endorphin Edge. Overall, I thought they were solid and I wish there was an update to address some of the common weak areas people pointed out. Currently running in the Nnormal Tomir 2.

Thanks for this! This helps in comparing the various shoes out there. I do lean towards a general purpose shoe and would use the Tomir 2 for most of my runs.

I have 200 miles on the Tomir 2s and a few runs in the Mount to Coast T1. For me, the Tomir 2s are durable medium stack shoes for runs up to around 20 miles-marathon and do uphills well. The T1s are high cushion (but not max) light, and fast. T1 cushioning is softer than Tomir 2's but not overly so like in a road shoe. I haven't used the T1 enough to say anything on durability. I like them both but they don't overlap as much in category. If I had to pick 1 I would go for the T1 because I prefer a higher stack/cushion

There isn't a best because user preferences and characteristics vary so you really gotta try them. Even then, some shoes fit and perform notably differently when new vs when you have 50 miles in them. I like the Peregrines but go for the Endorphin Edge and Rift when I want more cushioning and the Nnormal Tomir 2 when I want better grip. My Peregrines have nearly 250 miles of very rough terrain on them so they're about toast.

My pick right now would be either the Normal Tomir 2. It fits my feet well, has big grippy lugs, and achieves a decent balance of cushion without being too much or too stiff since it doesn't have a rock plate. Toe bumper has saved my toes. It runs on normal trails just fine but on technical stuff I'm looking for stability and grip which the Tomir does well for me. Close behind would be the La Sportiva Mutant. Main reason it loses to the Tomir 2 is because for me, the Mutants do not do technical stuff any better than the Tomir 2 while the Tomir 2 also runs better than the Mutant so it's more versatile. Just my experience.

A lot of the things that make trail runners an attractive option also make them less durable. Comfortable, breathable uppers so often using mesh with minimal/no over/underlays. Midsole cushioning for running so they're softer but will pack down sooner. Light weight so brands are cutting materials out and giving you less outsole coverage and shorter outsole lugs. But to your point there's a lot of variation there. My NNormal Tomir 2 are around 300 miles, on track to hit 400+ easily assuming normal use. Upper is in good condition, notably better than most trail shoes I've used. Midsole started out a bit firm but has softened to a good sweet spot and has held up so far. Outsole started with good coverage and tall lugs, relatively light wear despite a lot of hard packed very rocky miles and above tree line stuff. The outsole could last beyond 500 miles for me. Main cons are the cost/availability, fit, and maybe the medium-stack no rock plate nature of it. I ordered it online, otherwise would have to drive a long way to try it and the store wouldn't respond to me. I have wide feet, Altra and Topo fit me the best. The Tomir 2 felt narrow at first, took some time for it to stretch out and for the insole to flatten to allow room. Also have to wear thin socks with it, toe socks for example would not work for me. Lastly, it is a medium-stack ish shoe when considering other shoes in its weight and stack height like the Peregrine. I'm fine hiking all day in them, but I also run a lot of trails. If you're not running often and are used to the Olympus for example, the Tomir is gonna be harsh for a little while and you'll want to get some practice/training in before your Yosemite High Route trip.

I have >200 miles in my Tomir 2s. Typically ran Saucony Peregrine, Xodus Ultra 1-2, Endorphin Edge and Rift, and now Mount to Coast T1. I'm fine in technical terrain with the Tomir 2, don't feel like I'm working extra hard to speed up like I do with the Xodus Ultras and Speedgoats, and definitely high marks for durability, I put a rougher 200+ miles on them and look way better than my other shoes with 200+ of miles in the exact same places. Comfort for longer distance may have a bigger subjective component. I'm fine out to marathon and 50K in them as long as there isn't more than a few hours of technical stuff or if I can at least maneuver around to avoid sharp things all the time. If it's above treeline and I can't avoid sharp rocks then 30km is probably my limit. However if you did technical 50+ milers with the Keraj then yes the Tomir is probably fine.

I usually have 2-3 pairs on rotation: 1 pair of road shoes and up to 2 pairs of trail shoes with one being speed/hill and up to medium distance and the other general purpose to long distance. Not so much rotation as purpose/application. I've had a decrease in joint issues in injuries in general over time but hard to say how much of it is due to my shoe rotation vs other things like carefully managing my weekly volume and intensity, strength training, and just accumulating benefits over time. My favorite road shoes are probably the Saucony Endorphin Speed since it's relatively light, well cushioned, but adequately stiff and fast feeling so I can use it for all my road running. Favorite trail shoes at the moment are the Nnormal Tomir 2s. Great traction, relatively light for a medium shoe, and a decent balance of cushioning and feeling fast. Feels ok on roads and has a lot of outsole to absorb those road miles. Often parking a mile or longer away since my trails are extremely busy sometimes.

Fwiw I used the Tomirs as my daily trail runner for the last year or so, and while I agree they’re very thick (I just switched to something lower for ankle stability), they’re actually very durable and microspikes do better than expected on them.

Nnormal Tomir 2.0 is worth a look. They perform super well (east coast US and some time in the French Alps here, with some fast technical efforts), more midsole than the Kjerag, and as a light/medium runner they feel better suited to someone carrying more weight than I.

I have both these shoes. The Tomir 2.0 provides a firmer platform and better grip. The Rift has a much more forgiving midsole and toe box. I also enjoy the rocker on the Rift, but that's very much a personal preference. Honestly I like both. For very rocky/technical terrain I'd lean Nnormal for the protection it affords, but beyond that I'd suggest to someone to go with what's more comfortable.

How does the Tomir 2.0 / Kjerag sizing compare to you? I ended up going true to size in the Tomir but find them on the snugger side and could have benefited going a half size up. Meanwhile a lot of people have sized down for the Kjerag it feels like a gamble ordering online.

Nnormal tomir 2.0

1000km on my tomir 2.0 and look great. The sole lug is a little bit shorter but still good. Probably good for 1600km without problem. I will buy again

As always it’s very personal depending on how well the shoe fits my feet and the terrain I’m running in (technical mountains, mud, rocky). I like sky running races around 20-30k and VK’s. Sometimes short road races from 5k to Half Marathon. Current rotation: - Merrell Long Sky 2 Matryx. Great allrounder. - VJ Ultra 3. Cushion. Great for easy and long runs. - NNormal Kjerag Brut (mud) - Salomon Aero Glide 3 (road and treadmill) Recently retired shoes: - Nnormal Kjerag 1. Fast but too small lugs to have good grip in mud/loose debris. Too little cushion for me. Kjerag 2 has more cushion but same outsole. - Nnormal Tomir 2. Great allrounder but didn’t fit my feet (too little big toe space). A bit heavy when wet because the insole keeps a lot of water. - Salomon S/lab Genesis. Great allrounder but worse grip on wet rocks than Vibram Megagrip and VJ. - VJ Maxx 2. Really good allrounder. But didn’t fit my feet (too little big toe space). Shoes I’m considering next: - La Sportiva Prodigio Pro - Merrell MTL Adapt Matryx - Merrell Skyfire 2 Matryx

You can also have these puppies resoled…just picked up the tomir 2.0 for this very reason.

I currently have about 7 pairs in rotation but four of those are road shoes and they’re getting minimal use as I’ve been doing trail almost exclusively lately. Saucony exodus ultras do well road to trail, I’m only warming up about 1K to get to the trail though. nnormal tomir 2 on the trails/racing are amazballs…especially in mud and snow and some zero drop topo for a strength change. Mostly new balance plateless road shoes and a pair of mizuno neo vistas for training over 25K on the road.

Got these and the new Tomir 02 NN (straight laces) yesterday. Only used them for two walks in the forest (some short running to test as well) to get a feeling of them / trying to dial in lacing etc. The midsole is really great, and has a lot of bounce, but I think that with my weight these won't be shoes for the long distances, even with the increased stack. Definitely more volume in toe box compared to Kjerag 01 (or just a more forgiving upper?), which I couldn't buy because they were -too- tight for me over the arch. When I tried on the Kjerag 01 I had to size up a full size for them to fit at all, and even then it was slightly uncomfortable. Almost two thumbs width of spare length in the front is just not doable. With the Kjerag 02 I only sized up half a size, which is what I often have to due to slightly wider feed than average. I find the shoes to be slightly longer than I prefer for me feet, but that's about it.

My Hierro v7 were pretty great (V8 has ruined them). Now onto nnormal tomir which for me is excellent.

Great I've got a pair of those waiting in the box! In Aus the brand don't seem to sell so I got the 2s for aud140 and can actually still buy 1s for $100! My lugs barely look worn at all and shoes still feel pretty good even on sealed stuff.

Yeah they are certainly on the waterproof side so think perhaps that makes them feel a little plasticy. They don't breathe super well but have been good for me. I just grabbed the Tomir 2 for AUD$145 so was very happy with the price :)

I've been looking for someone to say something so thank you. I'm a bigger runner (195lbs) but I threw 775 miles on my kjerig 1.0, 750 on my Tomir 1.0 and my Tomir 2.0 are still going strong at 400. Kjerig 1 is one of the best shoes I've ever owned. I just bought a pair of mount to coast r1 for road running, which I love, and I've been trying to decide if the t1 or the kjerig 2 is my next trail shoe buy

I am running in xodus ultra 3s (mostly) right now. They’re comfortable enough but don’t exactly make you feel like you’re getting anywhere fast. Nnormal Tomir 2.0 are probably my favorite shoes, but the toebox is a bit too narrow for me and I was getting blisters on my toes. I still wear them for runs lads than 18k-ish.

I recently got a deal on the Tomir 2s, not for me. They have a 8 or 9 mm drop, which I don’t mind. The problem I had was I couldn’t keep my foot secure on downhills. I’ve read others have this issue too. My foot would slide forward on any steepish decline. Tried a variety of lacing techniques, no luck. If you want something with padding and lowish drop, hoka speedgoats might be a good bet. Or if you’re looking for something with padding but more stable than a hoka, the xodus ultra lineup.

I’d encourage you to go to a dedicated running store and try a bunch on. My experience with speed goats, which are currently what I’m running in, is the ankle is actually somewhat shallow. The heel in Nnormal and even Sauconys and some Solomons are deeper then the speedgoats in my experience. My rec would be try out Nnormal Tomir. I thought the heel in that was deep and really superb.

Don’t know about brooks, but my favorite high drop shoe as of late is the Nnormal Tomir 2.0. I think it’s a 9 mm drop. They aren’t super wide, but once you break them in they’re quite comfortable. I was using orthotics for a bit as I was rehabbing from an injury, and they fit just fine.

I love the Nnormal Tomir 2.0. I was having sizing trouble with every shoe I own, so I took a chance and wore them out of the box for a Grand Canyon R3 and they were amazing. No blisters, no hotspots, no issues whatsoever. I wish they had a wider toe box but it’s impossible to find a shoe with close to their 8 mm drop and the flatter insole with no cupping or built in arch. My only reservation with the MtC T1 is the 4mm drop, but I’m excited to try them anyway. As popular as Altra shoes are, I’m surprised no one has made a higher drop trail runner with a wide toolbox.

I’m going to jump on the Nnormal Tomir 2.0 bandwagon. Love this shoe and checks the boxes you mentioned.

I really really wanted to love my Nnormal Tomir 2.0. They’re tighter in the toe box than I usually like but that turned out fine because I’ve been running in some very short steep hills lately and my feet felt locked in and stable. The tongue of the shoe has a very stiff edge. It wasn’t that noticeable on shorter 5-8 mile runs, but then when I used them on a 20 mile long run, they shredded my socks and bruised both my ankles and cut one of them open. I’ve never had anything like that happen with any other shoes, never had any discomfort or rubbing from a shoe tongue like that before.

I think Vibram Litebase is pretty grippy and super light for how long the rubber compound lasts. I got 800 miles from a pair of Norda 002’s and the tread was still grippy at the end. Replaced them with the Nnormal Tomir 2.0 and it also has litebase and feels very tacky 

I just got the Nnormal Tomir 2.0 and the lug pattern is similar to what you posted. I think the midfoot is pretty generous on this shoe without also being too wide in the forefoot. If the width fits you then I think you would really like it particularly because of the 360 degree welt it has. I find my foot being cupped much better than running shoes with glued soles. Since the sole is welted, I don’t find the upper bulging out like other shoes which is nice because I think they will hold their shape even as they wear out, like leather shoes/boots that have sewn soles

The timor’s feel like tanks to me and their 360 welt cups my foot onto a very stable midsole. They feel less pop and a little clunky but I really enjoy running on rocky technical terrain with them. Also bombing scree or talus descents feels extremely safe. The flared outsole allows you to catch ankle rolls before pronating to far over. It has also taken like 100+ miles for them to break in but I’ll be surprised if they don’t last 800 miles for me. I can’t wait for them to be supple in a couple hundred miles 

For the tomir 2, the toebox felt slightly too narrow for me at first. Relacing the shoe to skip the first eyelet row fixed it for me. I get a good lockdown and have 0 problems on descents

Tomir 2 feels great on roads despite the 5mm lugs which was surprising to me

I switched to Tomir 2.0 from using Altra exclusively, I love the fit of the Tomir. The tread is big lugs and the foam is very firm. I will definitely buy a second pair after this one, even for thru hiking I would stick with Nnormal.

Ditto. Love my pairs

Tomir 2.0 is fantastic if it fits your foot. Bouncy, great grip, versatile, durable.

Same. Tried them after getting fed up with Hoka’s shit, and I ain’t going back…

I personally like them a lot. Waaaaay more durable than the Hoka’s, and the shape is better for me (personally) too. They’re definitely stiffer/more responsive and less cushioned than the speedgoats, for example, but it hasn’t been a problem for me at all. The lugs are also a lot more serious - I typically prefer the Tomirs for muddy/slippery conditions. If it’s dry, I reach for the Kjerags. But Tomir is the go-to for swamp conditions.

I have a wide midfoot and the NNormal tomir 2 fit perfectly. They’re definitely not narrow

Finally retired the Tomir 2.0 after 1000miles and should have probably called it at ~800. Outsole was somehow still decent but the foam was definitely clapped out at that point. Great value and great shoe! I just picked up some Norda 001 for $170 in their sale and loving them so far. Hoping to get 1000 stubborn miles out of them too.

Nnormal Tomir 2 are my all-arounders

The Hoka Mafate Speed 4 Lite x Satisfy wrecked my heels the first time I used them. Tore my skin up good and took like 10 days to heal. Surprisingly, they are nice now and have been enjoying them. Nike Zegama 2 is my jam as well and I’ve been rotating in the Nnormal Tomir 2.0

I run in tomir in uk conditions and just done 10 days hiking in the French alps and they’ve been perfect. Amazing grip. No blisters from a fresh pair (my second)

I’ve gone up half a size from my regular uk 10 to 10.5 actually.

Not much grip and I found the foam to be unstable. Sold mine. I'd get Tomir 2 or Mafate 4.

The Goats don’t have a very deep lug pattern and the upper is quite breathable, so they’re not the best shoe for muddy conditions. The Speedcross are many folks’ preferred mud shoe, but I wear the Nnormal Tomir 2 when I’m headed into the soup. They aren’t my favorite overall but they’re great for the purpose.

My Tomir 2 definitely softened up! I use them exclusively for runs in the mud.

Personally I like the T1 the most out of the 3. Tomir 2 are comfy but the laces are too thin and feels more like crunch than cushion on certain terrain and the rocker is just a bit too forward for comfortable paces. Norda 001 have the best lacing fit for that I’ve ever experienced on a trail shoe, but the midsole is hard and jarring on long runs. Mount to Coast T1 are much softer and bouncier; they have a nice, wide toebox, and feel lighter than the Norda and Nnormal, but I found the dual laces to be far too long, so I tried tying a knot in the opposite end from the lace pull, but ended up swapping over to the laces instead.

I was a member of the Hoka cult, lol. Nikes are great, I love the Pegasus Trail 4, Zegama 2, and UltraFly. My only complaint, their uppers don’t breathe very well, the shoe runs a bit hot. The Zegamas are not as stable as I would like them, and the Pegasus trail lack a bit of grip. (My go to technical trail shoes are the Tomir 2 by Nnormal). I tried the Wildhorse 8, didn’t like them. Been curious about the 10s 🤔

Nnormal Tomir 2.0 can’t get any better than that.

What do you mean by more versatile? The Agravic Speed is a very versatile shoe with great grip in my opinion and would be in my Top 5 to recommend to you. I personally rank it better than the Genesis and the Tormir 2. If you are looking for a protective trail tank the Tormir would be in the conversation. Personally I tried them on and don’t like how they fit which should be the deciding factor in the end anyway. Most of the other shoes are definitely not as fast as the Agravic Speed and more protective. Prodigio Pro is probably what your are looking for but not that much more protective than the Speed maybe the new On Cloudultra Pro could be something.

Try the Nnormal Tomir 2!

As mentioned, the 0mm drop is almost certainly what's aggravating your Achilles. But I totally get you, I ran in Lone Peaks for ages until a foot injury a couple years ago, now my Achilles tendons can't deal with them at all. Anyway, if you like the extra wide toe box, look at some of Topo's offerings. The NNormal Tomir 2 might also be worth checking out. And for something higher stack, check out the Mount to Coast T1. Best of luck finding something!

I saw Norda mentioned multiple times in this thread and their ultra shoe with super foam is $325, so there's that! I love the built in gaiter aspect of the Prodigio Pro and the fact that it has a tongue so you get the best of both worlds. I've loved everything about mine, personally. The Tomir 2.0 from NNormal is also good and although I'm not sure it fully qualifies as a super foam it is super critical so it's most of the way there if not fully and it's $15 cheaper at $180.

Love the Nnormal approach of Kilian: Love the scarpa mosquito for approach, scrambling and such, but will switch to use the Tomir 02 for all hiking, scrambling, Trailrunning short of actual rock climbing in the future As some commenter on YouTube said „the best 45min ad I’ve ever watched“: https://www.nnormal.com/en_DE/content/sketching-the-future?srsltid=AfmBOooCdmAyT4StW5dskYBVrsiNaOACL36fxVuitMFFSm6WIU4ZO4LW

Check the Nnormal Tomir 2.0, they are bomb proof and are specially indicated for rugged terrains, i used mine in a big variety of surfaces and performed well always. Here in spain they are very popular as la sportiva ultra raptor also the outsole it gonna last you longer and have free resole. I put in them 800km and the upper its brand new.

The upper material it's so durable, impossible to break it. I also used micro spikes in them and they work great

Some good suggestions already, I'll add Nnormal Tomir 2.0 which has 5mm lugs, but runs absolutely fine for a bit of road between trails

I've been running trails almost exclusively on the Tomir 2.0 for the past few months, I have about 300 miles on them. I love them. They fit my feet like they were designed for them and the grip is amazing, even on wet rocks and logs. They're worth trying on if you can find them, but they don't fit everyone's feet well.

The NNormal shoes are designed to be durable and I'm up to around 700 miles (1100km) on my Tomir 2.0s. The soles are designed to be replaced (stitched on instead of just glued), but there's nobody in my country certified to do it. But the upper and midsole still feel fine to me.

The NNormal shoes are designed to be durable and I'm up to around 700 miles (1100km) on my Tomir 2.0s. The soles are designed to be replaced (stitched on instead of just glued), but there's nobody in my country certified to do it. But the upper and midsole still feel fine to me.

VJ iRock, VJ Xtrm, Nnormal Tomir 2, in the order of most grip/precision to less, but least comfort to more comfort. Asics Fujispeed 2/3 could also work but they’re not the best in mud. I’ve done up to 50K/3980m in VJ Xtrm some years back.

Very cool. I’ve been waiting to see some more reviews before pulling the trigger. I demoed the Kjerag 1.0 and my only complaint was too little stack, so excited to try the 2.0. Been loving the Tomir 2.0 as my go-to trail shoe here in the Wasatch.

If you like Saucony then the endorphin rift has a very good 5mm lug. I haven’t put a lot of miles on them yet (50/60km) but they’re great. I also just bought Tomir 2.0 primarily for the MegaGrip outsole. Only 20km on these so far and they’re great

Got a pair of Nnormal Tomir 2 a few weeks back, only done a few 20-25km in them so far but been great, plan a 45km 2500m vert test run in them next week to see how they stand up as not had much luck finding something that works for me so far

Have ran in 4 pairs of the 001, and also own pairs of the Kjerag 1.0 and Tomir 2.0. The Kjerag is obviously very thin, and will for the vast majority of people not be suitable for an ultra. I never really connected with the Tomir, feels a little stiff and like you’re a bit disconnected from the trail. Maybe the lug pattern throws me off a bit. Also the shoe look fantastic. The 001 is a very good shoe that will last for a long time. Wear and tear of the lugs are what will retire the shoes from technical trails, not a torn upper or dead midsole. I find the midsole not to be super springy for gravel roads or roads, but it is a trail shoe and that is where I want it to exceed. For me, it lands in that sweet spot where it’s quite cushioned for easy trails or gravel sections, but with a good ground feel for roots and rocks. The 001 does have some sidewall delamination issues if you often need to dry the shoes with heat, and also retains quite a bit of water as the dynema upper isn’t really perforated. That being said, I’ve ran more than 4000 km in the 001 and more often return home with wet than dry feet, and I would still recommend it. I also find that you can really dial in the lacing pretty precise, which I struggle with in the Prodigios

Nnormal Tomir 2. Current pair has 600 mi on and off trail in the Rockies and they can keep going.

I currently have the tomir 2.0s and generally love them. They are a bit stiff for a running shoe, but I like that for more technical trails. While they are a bit narrow I feel like they really hug my feet, which helps they significantly on downhills (toes do not smash forward). The insoles that came with them were good, but I replaced with custom, even comfier now. I can do 20 miles without them getting uncomfortable, have done like 400 miles in them total and they are just starting to show a bit of wear. I feel like most trail runners are like running shoes that added hiking shoe features. Tomir 2 really feels like more of a true hybrid.

Tomir 2.0 had been my favorite. Had that and Kjerag. Waiting for the Kjerag 2 that will be a nice improvement with more cushioning

Normal tomir 2 has insane grip

Question on tomir 2, I’ve just bought a pair, they are the right length (I don’t like a full thumb clearance or voluminous toe boxes), fit my wide mid foot really well, but I can feel my big toes against the toe bumper because of the shape of the toe box (tapered lateral side is no issue for my toes but the medial side is odd IMO when a straight toe line would suit most people) anyway I’ve seen varying reports of how the upper can loosen and mould to feet; some say it does this really well, others say it doesn’t really, what’s your take? I need them to give a millimetre here and there, not a lot and they would be awesome, but I need them to be an ultra shoe; 6+ hours, so if they stay like they currently are think it’ll cause me issues!

Great thanks, much appreciated. I think I’m going to return the tomir, I really don’t need another shoe that I can only take for 2/3 hours. Merrell shoes are one that actually fit me really well, the long sky 2 feels like a second skin on my foot but I think is going to be a little too snug for an ultra for me, but the new MTL adapt matryx fit brilliant in the shop, I just couldn’t bring myself to buy it at the time as I think it looks horrendous but going to have to get over myself as initial reviews are brilliant and think it’s exactly what I need!

I haven’t tried the Saucony, but the Tomir is one tank of a shoe. I wore them for a 9 day solo run/fast-pack over 370km in the Norwegian mountains through some gnarly shoe-chewing terrain. I wouldn’t say they still look brand new, but just slightly worn - most other models I own I would have had to throw away. I also didn’t get a single blister or hot spot, or any sign of trench foot, despite having wet muddy feet for 10-15 hours a day every day, I even stopped lubing my feet because it just didn't feel necessary. I also loved how the front protected my toes from sharp rocks. With that said, I didn’t quite love their grip on wet rock and mud - its not terrible, but the grip on my VJs and Inov8 is much better. Although the guy at the shop said the black vibram rubber holds better than the green one, no idea if that’s true (I have the green). Also its not at all a fast shoe, for races or faster workouts I would definitely go with something different.

Wide toe box and Hoka typically don’t belong in the same sentence (never lost as many toenails as I have in various Hoka models). Check out the nnormal tomirs!

I've heard people say this but if you prefer a slightly larger fit (to give your feet room to expand for very long distances) I would personally recommend just measuring your feet as per the sizing guide on NNormal's website. I did this, and found it resulted in a perfect fit on the Kjerag, Tomir 1, and Tomir 2, but surprisingly it actually landed me a half size up from my usual size. I know this runs against the grain of what others have found, but it works for my foot, so YMMV.

I use both shoes during my last two races. Always started in the tomir and finished in the peregrines. I actually don’t have many complaints with the tomir and will likely try out the new kerag. I’ve used Peregrines in my rotation for a few years and the 15 have a little more toe room for me and i like the lower stack, always liked sauconys foam. I’d be all over a peregrine if they made them with 4mm lugs

I got the exact nnormals in London. My favorite shoe ever.

My NNormal Tomir 2.0s are roomy and it's a pretty comfy trail runner. Plus they're durable as all hell. I recommend them to everyone I know looking for new trail shows.

Fuckin LOVE my NNORMAL TOMIR 2.0s. Wore them for Leadville last year and they were an absolute tank.

NNormal make incredibly comfortable, durable shoes and I have no issues using them for loong trail runs or mixed use days (run, scramble, hike). The model I wear is the Tomir 2.0. They have reinforced uppers that protect your feet on the odd situation where you might do a gentle toe hook on a scramble, grippy vibram rubber on the outsole, and comfortable midsole. Mine are ~500 miles into their life of pretty tough trail running and they're surviving like a champ.

Up to 9 models of trail shoe and still looking... La sportiva bushido (500+ mi): great shoe but not enough of a rocker and limited cushion for longer days. Salomon ultra glide (350 mi): great shoe but limited durability of midsole and not stable enough on varied terrain. Hoka speedgoat 5: loved this shoe but can only seem to get 300 mi out of the midsole before I notice significant decline (still brought 5 pairs of these to 300+) Hoka Mafate speed 4 (320+165mi): loved this shoe but a set or two of the eyelits are not reinforced and will eventually rip, and the toebox is too narrow for me and gives blisters on the outside of my big toes. Saucony peregrin 3 (150 mi): like this shoe but long days or steep ascents are too much and the heel counter gives blisters (disclaimer: I have bony heels). I wear this for shorter runs with some tech but not much steep uphill. Saucony xodus 1 (250 mi): like this shoe but doesn’t perform well on technical terrain in terms of stability and outsole-lugs sheered off on first technical downhill. I wear this for non technical trails. Altra lone peak 7 (300+ idk): like this shoe but just for non technical trails, Toe box is too wide to get a full lockdown. I use this shoe for hikes and walks on non technical terrain and it is the shoe i wear more than any other bc it is my daily shoe at work, where i am on my feet a few hours every day. Nnormal tormir 2 (200 mi): like this shoe but the lockdown doesn’t prevent my toes from cramming into the front of the toebox on steep descents. I wear this for technical trails without steep descents. Hoka tecton x2 (12 mi): I have only worn this shoe twice for shorter (6 mi) runs, but it doesn’t seem to have the level of midsole comfort/cushion that would get me past 20 miles. I wear this for workout/faster runs on trails. Hoka tecton x3: bought these for a race because of the upgrades to the midsole and then got injured and couldn’t do the race. Feel amazing on my feet and am excited to try these out when I have an opportunity. My trail shoe rotation is almost complete. But I am still searching for the unicorn: a trail shoe that has a grippy and durable outsole, a lockdown that is a good for technical trails and steep descents, and a midsole that is sufficiently stable, cushioned, and resilient. I like the outsole of the tormir, the midsole feel and durability of the tormir and xodus. And I like the lockdown of the bushido and speedgoat. If only the tormirs had a better lockdown…if only the speedgoat midsole didn’t degrade at 300 miles. Should I try the Nnormal Kjerag? Is there a frankenshoe out there for me? Redditors what say you TLDR: is there such a thing as a trail shoe that has a durable and grippy outsole, durable,stable, and cushioned midsole, and a lockdown for technical trails and steep descents?

I have 300 miles on my Tomir 2 and the midsole still has most of its cushion. I'm just now noticing some degradation, but I would assume I can get at least 100 more miles out of them and am hoping for 500 total.

Salomon Genesis and Nnormal Tomir 2.0 are decently priced, versatile options ito managing the cushioning, grip, agility tradeoffs, similar stack heights to your road shoes as well.

Nnormal Tomir 2. Having said that, shoes are a super personal thing. Your foot shape is unique and you should look for shoes that fit you right away. Things to look for IMO: - Vibram megagrip - Comfort but with ground feel - Durability - breathable/ fast drying

I am running in Nnormal Tomir 2.0 and I am really enjoying them. I got them for under 100 euros, which was surprisingly cheap. They also seem to be durable with good sown in upper and when you used it to death you can exchange the outsole for a new one. The grip is astonishing, the best outsole I've ever ran in. The stack height is not too dramatic but offers adequate comfort and ground feel. Fit wise they are a bit wider than Salomon, but still not a wide toe box.

Dolomites is pretty technical and rough on shoes - I would not take an unstable shoe like the Speed Ultra (or any racing shoes). Something like the Nnormal Tomir 2 could handle that terrain as it's a tank. Or if you want low drop try the Topo Mountain racer. Maybe also look at the new Norvan LD4, La Sportiva Prodigio Pro? (La Sportiva is a brand based in the Dolomites) Ultimately your foot shape will determine what will work for you though.

Grip on the Peg trail 5 is totally fine - it's quite not on Vibram levels, but it's not a deal breaker like on the 4's. The real reason I wouldn't recommend them is because of the high drop and high heel + soft ReactX makes them too unstable for hiking. Light hikes are fine though and it's really good on road. Zegama 2 is really a long distance cruiser shoe, it's too bulky and soft for hiking and has a huge protruding heel. But maybe not that bad if you are used to Speedboats. Tomir 2 is way better as a hiking shoe and performs well on technical terrain, but road running would suck on it and has pretty aggressive lugs. Arc'teryx Norvan LD4 might be another option as it's a good hiking shoe, vibram, but it's not too cumbersome and outsole is not too aggressive for some road. Maybe new Nike Kiger 10 is an option as it's now Vibram.

Try the Nnormal Tomir 2 - better grip and built like a tank. La Sportiva also has some models for this terrain.

I have Challengers and I use them for work. I just did the TCT in 13 hours in a pair of Nnormal Tomir 2.0s. Felt great.  Challengers can be a bit stiff/firm in my opinion. If you’re attached to Hoka and worried about the extra weight and your comfort, I think Speedgoats might be a better option for you as they’re a lot more plush. Either way, as others have said, almost any trail shoe will be a better option than boots. Good luck!

Yes but only a little. 3mm more stack. Looks like a small update. Ran in the Kjerag and now in the Tomir 2.0. Both feel pretty firm but are tanks if durability is the main concern. Both not my favourite shoes but they do what they are supposed to really well

I have pretty average feet and for me the altamesa was huge. It‘s a boat. I was swimming in the toebox and the lockdown wasn‘t the best because I had to lace them very tight. Just be aware of that. If you have wide feet the altamesa will be great. Otherwise I‘d go SG. Another great shoe I use for a everything is the Nnormal Tomir 2.0. If durability is one of your main concerns then checks those out. They‘re tanks. I think I‘ll get over 1000k in those

I ordered a Tomir 2.0 in my usual size and to me they seemed to run short. Not enough distance from my toes to the front of the shoe so I sent them back. Besides that I didn't like the asymmetrical lacing.

Norda 005 and Nnormal Tomir2.0. The former is lighter and bouncier, the latter a little more stable. Love both.

I actually find that making sure you have a good fit around ankle and midfoot does more to 'save your toes', especially where moving forward downhill is an issue. For example, I recently discounted the Nnormal Tomir due to excessive forward slip, even when trying on. I've never experienced excessive 'swelling' in the forefoot per se either. Does it actually happen to you? My only consideration in forefoot is width to splay, and then a thumbs width gap at the end of the toes. I do have a slim ankle/midfoot so getting a shoe that doesn't move around has been difficult at times, as I always need mine to feel more like a running shoe than a specific 'ultra' shoe. The best one recently is the Salomon Genesis, as well as the La Sportiva Prodigio. Proper locked in feel at the back, comfy in the front.

My Tomir seem true to size.

I have tried GoreTex and Seal Skinz and found that shoes or socks that have a membrane end up just as wet by the end of the run because my feet get all sweaty and maybe even heavier because they don't drain for shit. As far as brands go, here is a quick review NNormal (Tomir) started falling apart after 30km. Not impressed with fit, look or durability. Hoka: SG4 fantastic shoe, had 3 pair SG 5, never felt stable in my foot ran maybe 20km before I retired them to leisure shoe. Tecton/x V1 and V2 Super comfortable shoes, dog shit in the mud but I love them on the dry days. V3 blew apart in the forefoot after only two runs. I fixed them but they are not super stable either... we see how much I end up using them in the future. Altra: Lone Peak and Olympus...meh OnClouds went straight to goodwill, Saucony: Peregeine / Endorphin Rift again not impressed with durability and no good for mud and wet roots. Speedland: GL-PDX I looove them, just yesterday I was heading up the mtn and caught my foot on some hidden rebar, this would have destroyed the toe on any other pair of shoes that I own and I was sure I would look down and see a hole... nope, not even a mark. I am greatly impressed. They drain well and have nice traction as good or better than Vibram. GS:RAR Initial impression is that they fit well and after some minor adjustments to lugs are comfortable to run in on the treadmill, nothing outside yet as I will use them in the snow with crampons and in the summer. when it is dry. No experience with Norda, I don't like how they look imo Keep in mind that wool insulates even when wet and if you are going in a long run maybe bring a dry pair along for a pit stop ✅ I recommend this over membranes any day. For reference I run in Southwest Norway where we get around 300 days of rain yearly. Happy Trails 🤙🏼

I run in the Nnormal Tomir. I call them my ultra tractors. Its not an exciting shoe, but excells in grip. The outsole is by far the strongest element of this shoe. It'll work in mud just fine. I've thrown everything from Dutch winter mud to Alpine mountains at them and the grip is excellent everywhere. I don't know the Saucony shoe so no comment there.

I like my tomirs, but the lugs aren't spaced out and deep enough for mud at this time of year out on the hills. You'll be sliding all over the place. If your primary use case is mud and soft ground, I'd recommend inov8 mudtalons. Designed literally for what you're looking for.

I found the toe box on the Kjerag and Tommirs really tight fitting as well. I just use my Kjerags for short and fast fell races. Anything over 90 mins and they're too uncomfortable.

I recommend the Nnormal Tomir, comfortable and incredibly durable. Plus the grip on them is phenomenal on technical terrain (wore them in the UTS50k and on multiple scramble hikes in Lakes) Also have heard excellent things about the La Sportiva Prodigio Pro from close friends

Norda 002 Speedland GL:PDX and a pair of Nnormal Tormir's for fun.

My Nnormal Tomir midsoles are cooked around 800km

Nnormal Tomir - you feel everything but also don’t feel anything, they are great!

I also have wide feet, I wear topo athletic shoes religiously. However I purchased NNormal tomir’s and they surprisingly fit my wide feet well. I don’t know where you are from, but they might have a pair in a store for you to try! Best of luck OP

Retired my first pair of Nnormal Tomir’s at 1200km, mainly because the uppers started to loosen up. I’ve lost a small piece of one lug on a super technical race, but the tread could probably go for another 4-500km

Mine have 800km on them and look amazingly good. The worst part is trying to clean them, the uppers just refuse to give up the dirt

My friend and I ran the whole trail a few weeks ago and both used trail runners: I wore the Arc'teryx Sylan and he had the Nnormal Tomir. We didn't have heavy packs, but I would not use hiking boots on the TCT given how warm the island is and how little technicality the trail has. Enjoy! [https://www.strava.com/activities/14782948235](https://www.strava.com/activities/14782948235)

I didn't think I would go for a road shoe. The desert is a tough place for shoes. Gaiters are a must, but the brand doesn't matter too much. I've had nice desert experiences with the Altra Olympus and the nnormal tomir. Both have enough cushion to keep rocks from smarting too much. Both are not narrow, so sinking into the sand shouldn't be too much of a worry. The Olympus is obviously wider, but the tomir has great lugs for loose terrain. Desert comes in many varieties. If you are going to spend most of your time on well maintained 2 track, road shoes might cut it. Otherwise, I'd definitely go for trail shoes.

Like others I would advise varying your drop in your shoe quiver for training if you can afford it. Hammies/calves for me get pretty wrecked from low/zero drop (0-4; mostly Topos) but high drop (8-10mm; NNormal Tomir and Sportiva Mutant) will sometimes give me funny knee feelings especially if I'm really pushing it on the downhills. Medium drop (6mm) seems to be a happy spot for me (for racing at least) and incidentally the same drop as my all-time favorite shoes (NNormal Kjerags). I have multiple 50Ks in them ranging from Speedgoat with 12K vert to fairly flat races with \~3K vert and haven't had anything tweaky.

Update in this. Bought and sent back the Nnormal Tomir, lovely shoe and exactly what I wanted but just didn’t fit my feet, same as with the Thundercross. I also went to Decathlon and their shoes are just too narrow. So, we’re trying a new approach and will be sending a pair of shoes I know fit to a specialist cobbler to have a Vibram Zeglite sole added to them.

Try nnormal tomir (also available in mid high boots). Should last you very long.

I have the regular tomir but a friend of mine with ankle issues got himself the mid version and afaik he's pretty happy with them even raced ultras using them with no problem.

I can only chime in in Nnormal but figure I will. They were arguably the most durable trail shoe I’ve ever owned, but they had zero cushion/give (IMO). If you don’t mind firm shoes, they’ll last you forever (I ran several ultras in them), but I won’t buy them again because I like a little more comfort.

Speedgoats are super grippy for me but if you want even more bite I would suggest looking into NNormal and Norda.

Big fan of nnormal. Every model uses the vibram megagrip

Have you tried Nnormal? They're a really narrow fit, tried them recently. I think someone posted here their Nnormals and they had aged pretty well.

It really depands what you are looking for. If you want a shoe that is durable, then go for an NNormal--they are extremely durable. Similair to Altras, they have a thin and hard sole. It is especially incredible for downhill running, better than any other shoe I've ever ran with. The only downside is, that it isn't that fast in the flat, but it can still win UTMB and Sierre-Zianal.

I ordered these and can confirm they run at least a half size too big. For me I actually sized down one full size when i exchanged. But the fit remained very odd and I was unable to keep them. They did seem like very high quality shoes though if you manage to have them fit you. (edit: wrote "two sizes" when i meant "two half sizes". fixed)

I don’t think Speedland is any more durable than Nnormal or Norda. They are all durable, but I would rank them from most to least durable: Norda, Nnormal, Speedland. I have had all three. Speedlands grip is very poor compared to Norda and Nnormal.