NNormal - Tomir 2.0

Very similar shoes. I made the same switch. I think they’re better made, more comfortable and with a far superior sole. Slightly more heavy/cushy, but still responsive. I run on rocky terrain and haven’t had any issues with stability. The issues the Tomir remedies makes a huge difference imo.

I wear Nnormals Tomir 2.0‘s. They fit similar to Saucony Peregrine 15‘s but are better made. I would recommend going into store to see which one fits best that has a vibram sole. Nnormal, Hoka, Altra, Topo, Brooks, New Balance, Nike, Addidas, La Sportiva, etc. all make legit trail shoes.

I have the Tomir 2.0 and they’re amazing. They’re not super wide at the toe box, but my issue with most shoes is they’re not wide in the midfoot. The stretchy material also feels like it has the right amount of give where the side of my feet aren’t being crushed even if they‘re still a little narrow where my foot is the widest. Too many shoes fan out and are wide in the wrong places for me. Fit is pretty similar to the Peregrine 15, but overall the Tomir is a much better shoe.

Oh and I’ll add that the Nnormal tomir 2.0 has been an amazing workhorse, nearly 400 miles in them and the midsole and lugs are still great under my forefoot which I usually blow through the quickest. I used them for a 60k and hated them but I’ve used them successfully for runs up to 15 miles which is usually the farthest I’ll go before I start using my race day shoes to get used to those. I’m 175 pounds for context.

Doesn’t fit my foot so well but damn they’re built to last. I’ll also say the the Nnormal tomir2.0 is also an amazing shoe, over 300 miles on them and I’ll probably get another 300 out of them. Legit amazing shoe although neither of these are particularly breathable.

450 is unicorn level for altras. Topos last longer in my experience but I’ve only worn the pursuit. If you’re open to other styles of shoes then I would look into a matryx upper. It’s really breathable and extremely strong. The Nnormal Tomir 2.0 has also been amazing for me. It’s not as breathable as I’d like but they’ve got 400 miles on them and definitely have another 200-400 in them.

Love the way the 001s feel but don’t work great for narrower/lower volume feet, lockdown is an issue. Went a 1/2 size up in the 001 and seems spot on. Tried my typical size in the 002 and it’s too small so I just ordered a 1/2 size up. Side wall stuff came unglued fairly quick, I used seam glue on them and it’s kinda holding up. Definitely go for a stitched one like mentioned before. heel cup has given friends issues with rubbing but not for me. After about 60-80 miles they feel like they soften up a bit. If you want a softer ride I can’t recommend the Nnormal Tomir 2.0 enough. 400+ miles and still doing great.

My only quarrel with them is they don’t breath great but that’s the same issue as norda. I’ve done a majority of my training in the tomir through the winter and they’ve been fantastic. Once the heat and humidity sink in I rarely reach for them. I prefer a more minimal shoe anyways but I like to mix it up just to keep the feet healthy.

2 pairs of the Superior 5, terrible traction when wet on limestone. 1 pair of the Olympus 5, much better traction but the midsole packed out around 200 miles in and that’s probably because of the inner flex thing because there’s less foam there. I’ve got some topo pursuits with 400+ miles that are great and Nnormal tomirs with 400+ miles that’s are also still great. I just don’t think altra makes a great shoe for me, especially because I have a narrow foot and would lose multiple toenails after marathon+ distances.

Switched from the Peregrine to the Tomir (via a pair of Inov8) for the same reason, heel blisters and rubbing even though I enjoyed the speed and feel of them. Tomir have been great straight out of the box but do feel bulkier and you don't get quite the same ground feel - saying that I've not tried anything particularly technical in them yet. I'm in the UK and think they will be fine for all weather - got a run in the lake district this weekend that will hopefully test them out.

Same size, UK9. I did read that you should size down I think, but the 9s were in the sale so chose to risk it. I did 25km in the lake district yesterday wearing them though and they were slipping all over the place on the rocks. It wasn't even that wet. Maybe it's just me/expectations because everyone says the grip is great?

Had the same issue with the SG5 and switched to Normal Tomir 2.0 and am very happy with them.

I have >150 miles in the Tomir 2.0 and previously ran in the Xodus Ultra 1 and 2, and Peregrine 13. Also >500 miles in 2 pairs of the Endorphin Edge. Typically run on hard packed rocky trails. First 50-70 or so miles in the Tomir 2.0 felt a bit narrow in the forefoot/toebox. Not a big issue for short runs, moderately uncomfortable for longer runs. Loosening the laces helped a bit. After 70 miles, the insole has packed down and the upper fabric has loosened so they are generally fine for me on longer runs. I know it's not a case of my feet acclimating to being squeezed because my road shoes were squeezing my feet the whole time until I replaced them recently with the wider Mount to Coast R1. I've done several 20+ mile >4,000 foot runs in the Tomir 2.0 with some moderately technical sections, no width related issues anymore. The cushioning is on the firm side and took some getting used to. Endorphin Edge generally felt like a straight upgrade to the Xodus, lighter and faster feeling at higher paces. Some reviewers reported stability issues but I suspect it's due to (1) the Endorphin Edge being too wide for people who run in Hokas and Nikes, (2) high/max stack, and (3) the Endorphin Edge's plate. In my use, I had to slow down slightly on the looser and more technical downhills particularly when making turns but was notably faster with less effort and more comfort everywhere else. Main downside is that it's a struggle for me to get 300 miles out of a pair because the outsole peeled where the cutouts are, and that the outsole material itself doesn't flex well so I've lost chunks of outsole. It was worth the money when on sale but might be harder to find now. I just pre ordered the Mount to Coast T1 and am hoping it will be a good ultra shoe for me. I've had their R1 road shoes for some time and it fits and runs well for me.

You could use the same shoe for trails, hikes, and easier/moderate scrambling but I would strongly recommend separate shoes for road. Roads will eat up trail shoe outsole lugs/tread and when they are worn smooth, you lose much of the traction you'd need for trails so they end up being heavier road shoes. La Spotiva Mutant has been ok but it is heavy for a trail shoe. Don't know exactly how wide your feet are, Altras and Topos fit my feet best but the Nnormal Tomir 2.0 has been good after breaking it in over 50-70 miles. Lots of outsole lugs, durable upper and midsole.

I have ~100 miles in the Tomir 2 and ran extensively in the Endorphin Edge, Peregrine, Xodus Ultra, and Speedgoat. For me, the Tomir 2.0 is most like the Peregrine but with better traction. I wouldn't use the Peregrine in anything over a marathon and ditto with the Tomir 2.0. The main selling point of the Tomir 2 to me is better traction and overall shoe life (remains to be seen) since my Peregrines were done after 270 miles on my usual rocky trails. Of these, I like the Endorphin Edge the most and used it for my recent races and long runs. Outsole life and traction need improvement though, I've straight up lost chunks of outsole.

I have well over 200 miles in my pair, including many 20-30 mile runs. They were a bit narrower than the Peregrines, which was already snug for me. I thought it needed at least another eyelet for the laces and the one piece tongue and collar had a bit of a sloppy fit. Cranking the laces a bit and heel lock lacing helped. Cushioning-wise, felt somewhere between the Peregrine and Xodus Ultra 2. Underfoot protection from rocks was adequate. Traction was good and I liked that there was a lot of outsole material since I had a tendency to lose some outsole chunks in the Rifts, Xodus, and Endorphin Edge. Overall, I thought they were solid and I wish there was an update to address some of the common weak areas people pointed out. Currently running in the Nnormal Tomir 2.

Thanks for this! This helps in comparing the various shoes out there. I do lean towards a general purpose shoe and would use the Tomir 2 for most of my runs.

I have 200 miles on the Tomir 2s and a few runs in the Mount to Coast T1. For me, the Tomir 2s are durable medium stack shoes for runs up to around 20 miles-marathon and do uphills well. The T1s are high cushion (but not max) light, and fast. T1 cushioning is softer than Tomir 2's but not overly so like in a road shoe. I haven't used the T1 enough to say anything on durability. I like them both but they don't overlap as much in category. If I had to pick 1 I would go for the T1 because I prefer a higher stack/cushion

There isn't a best because user preferences and characteristics vary so you really gotta try them. Even then, some shoes fit and perform notably differently when new vs when you have 50 miles in them. I like the Peregrines but go for the Endorphin Edge and Rift when I want more cushioning and the Nnormal Tomir 2 when I want better grip. My Peregrines have nearly 250 miles of very rough terrain on them so they're about toast.

My pick right now would be either the Normal Tomir 2. It fits my feet well, has big grippy lugs, and achieves a decent balance of cushion without being too much or too stiff since it doesn't have a rock plate. Toe bumper has saved my toes. It runs on normal trails just fine but on technical stuff I'm looking for stability and grip which the Tomir does well for me. Close behind would be the La Sportiva Mutant. Main reason it loses to the Tomir 2 is because for me, the Mutants do not do technical stuff any better than the Tomir 2 while the Tomir 2 also runs better than the Mutant so it's more versatile. Just my experience.

A lot of the things that make trail runners an attractive option also make them less durable. Comfortable, breathable uppers so often using mesh with minimal/no over/underlays. Midsole cushioning for running so they're softer but will pack down sooner. Light weight so brands are cutting materials out and giving you less outsole coverage and shorter outsole lugs. But to your point there's a lot of variation there. My NNormal Tomir 2 are around 300 miles, on track to hit 400+ easily assuming normal use. Upper is in good condition, notably better than most trail shoes I've used. Midsole started out a bit firm but has softened to a good sweet spot and has held up so far. Outsole started with good coverage and tall lugs, relatively light wear despite a lot of hard packed very rocky miles and above tree line stuff. The outsole could last beyond 500 miles for me. Main cons are the cost/availability, fit, and maybe the medium-stack no rock plate nature of it. I ordered it online, otherwise would have to drive a long way to try it and the store wouldn't respond to me. I have wide feet, Altra and Topo fit me the best. The Tomir 2 felt narrow at first, took some time for it to stretch out and for the insole to flatten to allow room. Also have to wear thin socks with it, toe socks for example would not work for me. Lastly, it is a medium-stack ish shoe when considering other shoes in its weight and stack height like the Peregrine. I'm fine hiking all day in them, but I also run a lot of trails. If you're not running often and are used to the Olympus for example, the Tomir is gonna be harsh for a little while and you'll want to get some practice/training in before your Yosemite High Route trip.

I have >200 miles in my Tomir 2s. Typically ran Saucony Peregrine, Xodus Ultra 1-2, Endorphin Edge and Rift, and now Mount to Coast T1. I'm fine in technical terrain with the Tomir 2, don't feel like I'm working extra hard to speed up like I do with the Xodus Ultras and Speedgoats, and definitely high marks for durability, I put a rougher 200+ miles on them and look way better than my other shoes with 200+ of miles in the exact same places. Comfort for longer distance may have a bigger subjective component. I'm fine out to marathon and 50K in them as long as there isn't more than a few hours of technical stuff or if I can at least maneuver around to avoid sharp things all the time. If it's above treeline and I can't avoid sharp rocks then 30km is probably my limit. However if you did technical 50+ milers with the Keraj then yes the Tomir is probably fine.

I usually have 2-3 pairs on rotation: 1 pair of road shoes and up to 2 pairs of trail shoes with one being speed/hill and up to medium distance and the other general purpose to long distance. Not so much rotation as purpose/application. I've had a decrease in joint issues in injuries in general over time but hard to say how much of it is due to my shoe rotation vs other things like carefully managing my weekly volume and intensity, strength training, and just accumulating benefits over time. My favorite road shoes are probably the Saucony Endorphin Speed since it's relatively light, well cushioned, but adequately stiff and fast feeling so I can use it for all my road running. Favorite trail shoes at the moment are the Nnormal Tomir 2s. Great traction, relatively light for a medium shoe, and a decent balance of cushioning and feeling fast. Feels ok on roads and has a lot of outsole to absorb those road miles. Often parking a mile or longer away since my trails are extremely busy sometimes.

Fwiw I used the Tomirs as my daily trail runner for the last year or so, and while I agree they’re very thick (I just switched to something lower for ankle stability), they’re actually very durable and microspikes do better than expected on them.

I second the Tomir 2.0 suggestion. I’ve just ordered my second pair. They are absolutely fantastic.

Nnormal Tomir 2.0 is worth a look. They perform super well (east coast US and some time in the French Alps here, with some fast technical efforts), more midsole than the Kjerag, and as a light/medium runner they feel better suited to someone carrying more weight than I.

How does the Tomir 2.0 / Kjerag sizing compare to you? I ended up going true to size in the Tomir but find them on the snugger side and could have benefited going a half size up. Meanwhile a lot of people have sized down for the Kjerag it feels like a gamble ordering online.

Hey, I got into some fun spicy bits on Buet! Though not my favorite running shoes the Tomir 2.0s were solid there. La Sportiva is another I like on granite. Honestly I like what you have. If only VJs were comfortable (for me).

Nnormal tomir 2.0

1000km on my tomir 2.0 and look great. The sole lug is a little bit shorter but still good. Probably good for 1600km without problem. I will buy again

As always it’s very personal depending on how well the shoe fits my feet and the terrain I’m running in (technical mountains, mud, rocky). I like sky running races around 20-30k and VK’s. Sometimes short road races from 5k to Half Marathon. Current rotation: - Merrell Long Sky 2 Matryx. Great allrounder. - VJ Ultra 3. Cushion. Great for easy and long runs. - NNormal Kjerag Brut (mud) - Salomon Aero Glide 3 (road and treadmill) Recently retired shoes: - Nnormal Kjerag 1. Fast but too small lugs to have good grip in mud/loose debris. Too little cushion for me. Kjerag 2 has more cushion but same outsole. - Nnormal Tomir 2. Great allrounder but didn’t fit my feet (too little big toe space). A bit heavy when wet because the insole keeps a lot of water. - Salomon S/lab Genesis. Great allrounder but worse grip on wet rocks than Vibram Megagrip and VJ. - VJ Maxx 2. Really good allrounder. But didn’t fit my feet (too little big toe space). Shoes I’m considering next: - La Sportiva Prodigio Pro - Merrell MTL Adapt Matryx - Merrell Skyfire 2 Matryx