Salomon - S/Lab Sense 8 SG

And every year they increase the stack height and volume and call it 'innovation'. Nothing better than an old pair of Salomon Sense 8 SG's to attack the terrain.

Old school Salomon's like the Sense 8 are low stack, but they have a thin rock plate so you can blast through rocks. I miss that, however the minimal cushion beats up your legs.

For my running/FL shoe I have a Salomon Trail Sense 8 (fits into the outer boot), for approach I either use the TX2 Evo or the Arcteryx Acrux FL (heavy but supportive and great for small ledges). For climbing shoes I use Cobras/Muiras/Mythos. For technical ice/big mountain stuff I have G5s and recently a pair of G-Summits and for lighter stuff I have the Salomon Alpine Modular boots which do great for Scottish stuff and messing about at low altitude in winter

Here’s my contribution. I haven’t done controlled tests like you did, but I run a lot of rocky vertical terrain and have put lots of miles in all these shoes. Trying to focus here on wet rock grip from the outsole and ignore other shoe attributes (fit, lock down, flexibility/stiffness, weight, cushion, etc) that also come into play with their overall ability to do the job on wet rock 5: VJ Maxx 1&2 VJ Spark Arcteryx Norvan VT (limited mileage) 4. Arcteryx Norvan SL 1, 2, &3 Salomon s/Lab Sense 7&8 Nnormal Kjeraq 3. La Sportiva Helios SR La Sportiva Vertical K & VK INOV-8 F-Lite 195 2. Whole bunch of older inov-8 x-talon and RocLite models NB minimus Salomon s/lab ultra 3 Salomon s/lab sense 7SG 1. Old Nike Terra kiger Salomon s/lab sense 1, 2, 3 For spiked shoes, I actually think they suffer quite a bit on rock because they don’t stick instantly like pure rubber soles. 4. VJ Devil 4 3. VJ bold race, VJ ice hero, INOV-8 ORoc 280

I'll second this, by far best running shoe I've had. They are minimalist enough, minimal toe drop, good enough arch support, good at keeping out debris, don't need to be sinched down tight as they fit perfectly snug, not much cushion, but the tread is amazing, lasts way longer than Salomon, and they have enough protection to not kill your feet when you land on a pointy rock wrong. I thought they were too tight at first, but man these are good shoes. Might go up a half size next pair. For reference I'm at 10.5 in Salomon, and got 10.5 sky DNA. The length is good enough on the dynafit, but they are a tad narrower. they are also a bit harder to get into. I've also been using a few gen ago Salomon sense sLabs soft grounds. They are pretty cool, feels likes wearing a sock with tread, very comfy and good grip, but tread doesn't last very long and they don't have enough rock protection.

I use my old trail running shoes for hiking and grocery shopping. I don’t see why you couldn’t combine all that into one pair. What you’re describing can easily be done with something like the Salomon Sense or Genesis.

I used the Salmon Sense, maybe ride it was? Anyway I’ve used it for big hikes in Hawaii, both volcanic, rocky and muddy. Phenomenal shoes

I've tried a few S Lab shoes that didn't work for me due to my wide feet. There might be some hope here with Brooks!

As someone who has run in Kinvaras for a decade, this is what many people think but it’s wrong. Salomon S lab shoes is the answer. Peregrines suck. 

Peregrines have poor trail feel and simply don’t fit the same as ANY other saucony shoe. I have worn dozens of Saauocny road shoes, currently own five, but the peregrine caused instant heel rub that couldn’t be stopped with any lacing tricks. The S Labs feel like a kinvara on the trail. Good minimal cushion with great ground feel and lateral stability. Perhaps I’m an outlier but I have heard a few other Saucony people say something similar. My foot is slightly narrow so that might have something to do with my impression of the peregrine 

You’ll have a much larger selection of shoes using gaiters. As for shoes like Saucony, I do all my road running in Endorphins all my trail running is Salomon, especially their SLab models. Good luck. Another option is LaSportiva. All three fit similarly.

I recomend Salomon slab series, because of its tough upper and strong grip!

New S/labs size down. I’m my actual street shoe size in those, a US 6, when I’m a 6.5 in every other Salomon model. I was fine with my usual 38 in the PP.