Topo Athletic - MTN Racer Series

I can imagine that the MTN Racers would be a good ultra shoe, I do own them but I've never ran an ultra, full disclaimer. But they are a wide and stable shoe with plenty of cushion, but not so much that they lack any ground feeling. The vibram is super versatile too and they are surprisingly fine on less technical segments of trail or even the odd road link up.

I have the MTN Racer 3 and overall I like the shoe, compared to other stuff I have they are a little softer and higher stack but despite this they have quite good ground feel and they are surprisingly usable on link up road and hardpack sections. I really like the Vibram soles, good for varied mixed terrain without feeling overkill. If i ordered a Topo trail shoe again, i would likely go half a size down, I find them a little wide for my feet which I don't think are the widest in the heel and midfoot. I've just ordered the Cyclone 2 and ordered half a size down but I will have to see. I am not a massive fan of the insoles with big arch support that Topo use, although very well made, the obvious flaw is that they just won't fit every different foot. Is anyone able to recommend a decent aftermarket insole for Topos?

I have Topo Mountain racer 3. Light weight, cushion, arch support and Vibram soles

This is my experience, too, starting with the Racer 2 and Ultraventure 2. I’m stocked up on Terraventure 3s for now but once those wear out I don’t know what options I’ll have. Topos are basically ruined for me until they make a model without that super hard arch.

If you as me Altra is terrible. The quality over the years has went down the drain. Topo Athletic has now passed them as the most popular shoe for thru hikers.

Have you looked at the Topo lineup of shoes? Same wide toe box, same 0mm drop options. I have a bunch of them. Some zero drop, some 3 and 5mm drops. The only thing I don't like about Topos is that I hate ortho-lite insoles so I swap in super feet insoles instead. But that is probably an issue in most trail shoes since they try to go lightweight.

Topo for sure. I made the move from New Balance to Topo and haven't looked back

As a former Altra fanboy, which included several pairs of LPs, I can vouch for the Mtn Racer 3. Much more durable, the sole/traction is infinitely better, wide toe box, and just an overall more secure feeling shoe. I am much more confident running/racing on the trails in my Topo’s than I was in Altra’s, and they’ve lasted much longer.

My friend, it was truly excruciating on the trail - I'm so glad someone else has experienced it! Both the MTN Racer and the Terraventure gave me grief. I managed to solve it on The West Highland Way with the toe caps. I've ordered the GOATs half a size up. Did you go wide or standard?

I have low arches and haven’t had any issues with Topo Terraventures or Mtn Racers. Haven’t tried the Ultraventures since I don’t need a stability shoe.

Topo Terraventures and Mtn Racers are also great trail shoes with a wide toe box. Low drop but not zero drop, so an easier transition from Brooks. And Topos last way longer than Altras in my experience. Was only getting 400 miles on Altras and I get close to 600 miles on Topos.

Based on your likes/dislikes I’d recommend Topo Mtn Racers. Great shoe. Wide toe box, grippy on terrain, and more cushion than Altras while still maintaining some feel of the ground.

The 4s already came out! Got them during REI’s anniversary sale and they’ve been fantastic. Just wish the cushioning was a little softer for extremely long rocky trails

My podiatriast recommended I try Topo shoes because I have bunions and other forefoot issuss. I bought the Mountain Racer. They have a normal heel and midfoot, but the forefoot is very roomy. My feet haven't felt so good in years.

I have no idea where you’re hearing that altra are the gold standard, they’re usually recommended only if you need one or more of 0 drop, minimal, or wide toe box bc there are few options in those spaces. Durability issues are usually listed as their main draw back.  Personally I feel theyre somewhat overblown, as I’d always get 350-400 miles out of mine before the sides blew out.  However, that still makes them worse than all other brands I use; which almost all get 500 and I’ll stop using bc of comfort or bounce, not bc the sides explode. The newer timps have much better vibram outsoles, they’re super grippy.  Or you can try the topo mountain racer 3 if you’re not stuck on 0 drop, they’re a great shoe and durable too.

I went to Topo from Alta and I’m very happy.

Topo Athletic Mountain Racers. I cannot do zero drop, Speedgoats were great expect that they felt very narrow, and I don’t even have narrow feet! Topo’s are Altra and Hoka’s love child. I love my Mountain Racers

I have the mtn racer 4. They have a wide toe box but are narrow in the midfoot and heel. Great traction though.

I've used both, Speedgoats for about 4000 miles, Topos (Ultraventure Pro and Mtn Racer) for over 1000. Each of them have their up and down sides. Speedgoats are a lot narrower at the front, so even a wide isn't as wide in the footbox as a Topo, and the heel is wider for the (wide) Speedgoats, so some have issues with slipping. I've given up on Topos though because of toe and arch issues. I guess my feet don't bend like the makers of Topo expect them to, so I end up in pain after 150 miles. Speedgoats roll easier and are softer where the balls of the feet are, which takes a lot of strain off my feet (though that is, unfortunately, not as pronounced anymore as is used to be with older models). Speedgoats are probably going to counteract the lifting of your toe, but you'll have to try if it really works for you, or if the footbox is still too low.

Hoka Speedgoat are pretty squishy. I just switched to topo mtn and they hard af, miss the Hokas.

I'll put another vote in for Topo

Topos if you need arch support, altras if you don’t. I was planning on making the switch from altras to topos but the arch support in topos would make my feet hurt. I don’t have wide feet, but love the roomy toe box. The midfoot and heel fit almost perfect after using the runners knot. Lone peaks for the trail and escalantes for the road.

Yeah, you sound like a perfect candidate for topo, Mtn racer specifically. They have good lockdown around the heel and forefoot and roomier in the toe box. Also someone else mentioned the Altra experience wild (low drop, not zero drop). I have the road version of that shoe and I’m pretty happy with it

another vote for mtn racers here! plenty of cushion for daily runs but still pretty nimble

Currently IMO: Tarkine Trail Devil 2 > Topo MNTN Racer 3 > Altra Lone Peak The Tarkines feel a lot like SpeedGoats with a wider toe box and the grip isn't as good in the wet, not bad, just not as sticky as the Vibram sole on the Hokas. I did 100km race in the Topos, and they're fine in a rotation, just prefer the Tarkines. The Altras are just a bit lifeless, but I don't get blisters in them because of the toebox, so better than a standard shoe if I run long.

I recently switched to Topos after similar issues with the newer lone peak models. They have some more bounce, which took some adjustment, but now I like them lot!

Topo mountain racers have some stability elements and wide. Probably worth a try. I personally love them as someone with duck feet and some arch issues from a previous injury

I’m seeing the topo suggestions and maybe they’re your best bet.. but. I hate topo. I just had some cyclones that ripped across the side and didn’t fit my midfoot (likely caused the rip) yet were sloppy at the same time on road downhills. Mtn racer 2’s were foot friendly, but sloppy on tech stuff. Kept my toes safe if I really tied them down tight. Have read the 3’s are even wider and sloppier and refused to try them, but I would have purchased the 2’s again if they didn’t change. I have wide feet, especially the mid foot, but my toes aren’t as wide. This year I’ve used the Zegama 1 and 2, the 2 fit better and were decent, but not my favorite shoes. Also have scarpa ribelle runs and spin ultras that are ok. If I had to grab a shoe tomorrow and do 100K, I would break down and cry ha. My feet suck for every shoe. Need wide, but need secure. Agree that Salomon in wide do work well for me though! They just don’t have models I like. Edit to add: everyone’s idea of technical is different. For me, it’s hopping across rocks, loose gravel, and having to literally “tiptoe” across some sections. When I lived in a less technical area, every shoe worked great!

Topo Athletic [https://www.topoathletic.com/activities/go-trail](https://www.topoathletic.com/activities/go-trail) are worth considering if you like Altra, and I've had 6 pair of Altra.

Topo MTN racer 3!

My Topo MTN racer 3’s felt very good. Widest toe box on any shoe I have, but no issues with the fit. Just a roomy toe box for happy toes

I’ve found the TOPO to be an amazing shoe. Also not under $100 but the HOKA Speedgoat has an amazing sole for Rocky terrain. I wish there were quality trail shoes under $100 - seems an impossible task these days.

Just got some Topo Mtn Racers and can confirm they are wide and very grippy. Work as well as my UltraRaptors (wide) on steep slabs, but actually run-able with a bit less stability. My Speedgoat 5s were also really grippy and plenty wide for me in normal but sized up .5 (I always do this).

Hoka Speedgoat 5 and Topo Mtn Racer 2

Durability aside, try on both shoes. If you’re not thru-hiking then durability doesn’t matter much. Yeah, it’ll be annoying if they give out sooner than you expected, but the comfort can be worth the money. For me, Altras are the most comfortable by far. I wanted to switch to Topos due to the rave reviews and the vibram sole, but I had to immediately return them due to their pronounced arch support. My feet hated them and my altra trail runners and road shoes are the most comfortable shoes for my feet I’ve ever worn. I was late to the game so I’m sure I missed out on the glory days, but until another company comes out with a wide toe box and no arch support trail runner it’s altra all the way for me.

I keep trying other shoes and keep coming running back to Topo. They make the perfect shoes for my feet.

Not necessarily. My first pair of Topo Mountain Racer 2s had issues with the uppers separating from the midsole after less than 100 miles. Got reimbursed from Topo, but I’ve had issues with the shoelace eyelets tearing in my pair of the 3s. Seems few shoes are durable anymore.

Not necessarily. My first pair of Topo Mountain Racer 2s had issues with the uppers separating from the midsole after less than 100 miles. Got reimbursed from Topo, but I’ve had issues with the shoelace eyelets tearing in my pair of the 3s. Seems few shoes are durable anymore.

I'm heavier and the SG5s are my go-tos. Also been liking the Topo MTN racer 3 of late

TOPO’s fall apart. We called them Tape-o’s in my tramily and they were hell for one of our guys. Hoka’s are good but you can’t really feel the trail/ground because they’re moon boots, but comfy.

South Sister is pretty mild technically, just recommend some gaiters to keep the scree out. Ive been a huge fan of the Salomon Genesis, Topo Mountain Racer, but what fits your foot is the individual question.

Only my Altras have done this even the same spot. I’ve written off Altra until i don’t hear another story about this for a while. I can’t believe they’ve let this issue persist for years. They’ve got to know. My Topos have lasted forever. My TNF shoes and Salomons are well built as well, typically I retire a pair after the foam goes flat (loses its bounce) for me after 500 miles. Uppers should outlast the foam IMHO.

Topo athletic is worth looking into if you liked the wide toe box of Altras. They typically have minimal drop (0-5mm depending on the model), and so far durability has been good for me. The ones I've tried seem to have slightly more volume in the shoe, so on steeper grades it's been tougher for me to get my foot locked in well without over tightening, but that's the only negative I've got for them with my feet.

My Topos gave up after <400 mi…

Topo are standard wide toe box... and everyone I know that wore altra have now gone to Topo here in the UK.

I love Topo but agree the ultra venture doesn't have a lot "life" in it's cushion - it lasts but isn't boing-y . The topo phantom is my go to for long road runs and I've been happy with the Altra Olympus 5 for trail and road long runs. The topo mountain racer is pretty sweet, I've mileaged my last pair out and am waiting for sales - it's light weight and decent cushion : ))

I’d second the Topo recommendation. I ran in Cascadias and had what sounds like exactly the same issues you mentioned. After looking at Run Repeat’s lab analysis of the Topo Mtn Racer 3 and finding that they are actually about a 7mm drop I decided to try them. Great so far!

Topo Athletic Ultraventure 4. Took them out for the first time this morning. Ran just like my MTN Racer 3's, just more forgiving. I LOVE THESE SHOES.

I love my MTN Racers! I ran an [R3](https://trailtopeak.com/2023/11/20/a-guide-to-running-the-grand-canyon-from-rim-to-rim-to-rim-r3/), the Javelina Jundred 100M, and the Anza Borrego 50 Mile in a pair. Bomb-proof and graceful. I just got the new Ultraventure 4's hoping for a bit more cushion with the same ergonomics as the Racers. I put a few treadmill miles just to check 'em out and, so far, they have the feel I was looking for with more cushion. Promising!

I love my MTN Racers! I ran an [R3](https://trailtopeak.com/2023/11/20/a-guide-to-running-the-grand-canyon-from-rim-to-rim-to-rim-r3/), the Javelina Jundred 100M, and the Anza Borrego 50 Mile in a pair. Bomb-proof and graceful. I just got the new Ultraventure 4's hoping for a bit more cushion with the same ergonomics as the Racers. I put a few treadmill miles just to check 'em out and, so far, they have the feel I was looking for with more cushion. Promising!

I'm still on-board. But I agree, they could use more bounce. I don't think I've noticed much of a degradation from new to now (maybe a dozen big runs). That's just how they are built, I reckon. More stiff than others. I'm sticking with them for the summer. And will be wearing them for most of the upcoming OM 100K in Washington. May switch to the Racer 3's for the final 20 miles.

Former Boulderite relocated to southeast. Couldn't make Sportivas work with my foot shape and switched to Topo Mtn Racer 3, works great.

I just switched to Topo. I went with a 5mm drop but it checks the other boxes. I have not put much time on them but out of the box I'm happy. Altra shoes started wearing out way to fast.

I also switched from hoka SG to topo (green ones I forget) 300 miles into the PCT and it actually removed the knee pain I had had for years that was ironically caused by hokas

Huge fan of the Topo Athletic Mountian Racer 3’s. Did a Grand Canyon rim2rim2rim with a pair that had maybe 120miles on em before and not a blister in sight! Ymmv but I love em. Edit: I also came from runnin in the speedgoats

I’m around the same size and really like Topo and Alrtra. Trail is the way to go, much easier on the joints.

Topo are roomier for sure ill say for me the t1 toe box feel like a wide hoka but certainly not as roomier than the ultraventure or mtn racer. But I’m 2E and they’re enough wide for me.

IME, Topo is wider farther back in the foot compared to Altra, plus give a little more support back further along the arch. This suits my wide feet well as Altra can sometimes rub where my lateral metatarsal joints are. Hope that helps.

I have wide feet and went from Hoka to Topo because the Hokas were narrow and with the extra cushion I rolled my ankle occasionally. About 300 miles on the Topos and so far so good. Holding up better than my Altras did (shoe before the Hoka). I do miss the cushion. I got some inserts for them to get some cushion and they changed where the heels rubs and I could starts feeling a hot spot inside the first ten miles. Sinai took them out and just live with the reduced cushion. And that has been OK. I’ve kind of tuned out my feet hurting after like ten or so. I was talking to a guy once and said that your feet stop hurting. I decided after that is not entirely true. I think it is you just stop caring that your feet hurt…

I use Topo MTN Racer shoes. In Australia they're not cheap, but no more than all the other brands. Uphill running is just hard work. Don't try to race it (yet) just short steps and grind your way up. Yes your legs and lungs will burn, but that's the overload that is necessary to get the strength and fitness. Downhill running needs care and technique to avoid injury from falling. Run with short quick steps. Try not to put the brakes on to slow yourself because that actually needs MORE traction, which is in limited supply on steep hills. You have to run with gravity a bit. It's scary. You need the short steps so you can change direction to dodge bad spots or find the less slippery spots. Good luck! Enjoy your trail running, it's worth it!

Topo Mountain Racer ftw

It really depends on the model. I’ve got the MTN Racer 2 and it’s stiff but plentiful. Works really well on trail but is a bit harsh on paved roads. I’ve tried a pair of Phantom 2 as well and they were really nice. Firmer than my Clifton 8 but with plenty of cushion. 

Topo is your answer. Norda also great buy spendy

Hows the durability on the front top and inside arch? I've got Mountain Racer 3s because I can do rope climbs during Spartan races and not shred them to bits.

Seventy fifth vote for Topos.

I wore Altra for a few years and switched to Topo... they seem better quality and last longer. I do wear the trail runner (Pursuit) as an everyday shoe and it has held up really well even on concrete. I know it won't last as long because of this, but I just found them so comfortable I don't care. I just purchased the Ultraventure as well but haven't worn them yet.

The original Mtn Racer (2018-2019) was so clutch. Then they changed the soles and I lost interest...

Have you looked at S/LAB Genesis, or the new La Sportiva Prodigio Pro? I've got 497 miles in my first S/LAB Genesis pair and still have them. Prodigio Pro is one of my top picks so far in 2025. Kjerag is very minimal underfoot - don't expect anywhere near Speedgoat level of cushion or protection with those. That's a completely different type of shoe. I just tested the MTN Racer 4 and I don't think it's a great update. There's a lot of protection underfoot but it got heavier and lost a lot of flexibility.

I would try them on because everyone has a different foot but I have a pretty large Haglund's on one foot (and likely a little less extreme one on the other - never x-rayed though) and really like the Salomon Ultra Glide (wide), Topo Mtn Racer, just got a pair of the Nike Zegama. I don't know if I would call the heel counter soft (certainly not a shoe expert) but there is padding in the heel which in my case keeps the bump from getting too irritated. YMMV.

Topo mtn racer 3, by far my favourite and I have quite a feeling to choose from

I’ve done 95% of my trail running over the last couple years in Topo Ultraventures in wide (V3 and V4). Some of the other Topo models I’ve tried on (Mtn Racer and Phantom road off the top of my head) are still unfortunately too narrow in the mid foot, but the wide Ultraventures saved me from Altra’s increasing trend toward narrower shoes, at least for the time being.

Agreed. That’s why topo>altra. Altra is so sloppy at the heel where topo really starts narrowing the upper from the midfoot to the heel. Merrell could also have some really good shoes but are so sloppy at the heel.

Trail runners all the way, trail runner technology has come a long way! They’ll be more breathable and lighter than boots. Altras are a classic thru hiking shoe but don’t have great longevity. Topo, Saucony, and Brooks I’ve had good experience with all of them. There’s also Salomon and Merrell, but I’ve never tried them. I’d recommend ordering a few pairs off of REI to try them out. You can return them even after using them.

Trail: Saucony Xodus Ultra, Topo Mt Racer, Brooks Cascadia Road: Saucony Speed, Brooks Ghost, Hilma Anywhere

The Topo big toe rub! Finally, someone else with the same issue as me! It was such an annoyance for me on the PCT in '22, and to my surprise, even their newer models do it to me. It's a tragedy, bc I love the way their shoes feel on me smh Yes actually, I'm currently trying out the Hoka Speedgoat 5s and love them. I never saw myself as a high-cushion shoe person, but they're greattt, just absolutely eat whatever surface you throw @ them. Feels like you have a rock-plate almost. **Just make sure to size up!**

Hey honestly would recommend your comfortable trail shoes with some good vibram sole and a deep cleat. Altra is a good option. I’ve also enjoyed topo. Something more oriented to climbing isn’t going to have good running hiking support. And in both it’s best to be comfortable in your gear

I’ve been really happy with my topo. Before that used only Altra

I use Topo Athletic MTN Racer 3. But they do have a drop, but with a wide toe box.

I'm a huge Topo fan. I've been wearing them for years, but lately, I've been going through them like candy. I'm considering switching brands - considering I've been brand loyal for years, this says a lot coming from me. Hopefully, you have better luck, because imo, they are the most comfortable shoe, and I like how they have different mm drops.

Topo Athletic - i prefer MTN Racer 3s (4s are coming out soon) and they have other models that are solid too. As for your ankles if you have a balance board use it if youre not. You can go barefoot and place one foot in front of the other (or sorta overlapping if this is too hard) and close your eyes, put your hands out so they can touch a wall or a piece of furniture and move your head side to side. how unstable are you? Just switch your feet out and do that regularly and thatll help all the tiny balance muscles in your feet/ankle as well.

Topos are the better Altras. Try those. MTN Racer 3s are good all around shoes for trails.

Hoka speedgoats were recommended via a place that goes Gait testing etc. I love the speedgoats for comfort they are great to hike in. Unfortunately their souls and the desert are very incompatible and they will wear out fast, so if you are expecting 500 miles per shoe, the hokas will not hit that, especially in the first 700 miles. Disappointed that I barely made the 260 mark on no tread, I switched to topos. Comfortable, love the toe box, and I got to say they designed a really intelligent shoe. I really really liked them, and they were very durable. Unfortunately by Wrightwood I was having knee issues I've never had before. I saw blaze Physio and she showed me how I was walking in those shoes. The solution according to her? Where Hoka speedgoats. I continued to wear them to hikertown, and gave someone they very good condition topos for my new rei ordered speedgoats and she was right. So how you walk really matters for the shoes you wear and these two different a lot. I really wish topos made a sole more like the speed goat or that hoka made a more durable shoe. At home I'm getting closer to 400 miles with the speed goats in pnw hiking but that desert Sands them down fast

I used to be an Altra guy, just ran a trail 50k in the Topo Mtn Runner 3s. Really quite nice. Better grip than my Ultraventures for sure.

I have been absolutely loving my Nnormal Kjerag, including long days on rugged mountain terrain. They’re amazing. Moving even further in that direction, the Tomir 2.0 looks like a really strong contender. Others to look at would be something like a La Sportiva cyclon, Salomon Genesis (but I don’t love Salomon’s rubber), etc. What part of your Speedgoats are trashed? The upper? Outsole? Something else? My other favorite outsole for mountain terrain is a Topo Athletic MTN Racer. I still have a pair of the first version with the ripstop nylon and those are awesome. But for uppers, you want something ideally with a Matryx or similar material.

+1 for anything Topo. Wide toe box and zero drop. They’re my go to for road and trail now

I highly recommend Topo Trail runners. I have wide feet and they are fantastic. I use them for all of my running now, road and trail. My current pair is the Runventure 4's and theyre fantastic. vibram sole and lightweight. roomy toe box. They are definitely worth checking out

Trail: Norda 001 x2 Nike Zegama 1 Nike Zegama 2 Nike Ultrafly Topo MTN Racer 2 Saucony Endorphin Edge Salomon Ultra Glide Road: Hoka Clifton 9 Topo Atmos Saucony Endorphin Speed 3

I had to buy new shoes this summer and went through the same process at the store as you did. I went into the store being really curious about the Traverse (since it was a new model since I last bought shoes for backpacking). I have previously owned Mtn Racers, Trailventures, Ultraventures, and Terraventures. For daily wear, I usually wear an 11.5 shoe. My backpacking shoes are usually a 12 to account for thicker socks, foot swell while hiking, and more room for my toes. I tried on all of them (including the Traverse) in a 12. None of them felt quite “right”. All of the arches seemed more pronounced than I wanted. The Traverse was the worst, the arch hit my foot in a terrible spot. I was about to settle for the Mtn Racer since it felt the least “bad” to me. On a whim, I asked the salesperson to bring me a pair of the Traverse in a 12.5. (I have never owned any footwear in 12.5 ever.) Going up a half size past my normal hiking shoe size changed everything about the fit. The bigger Traverse immediately felt great on my foot. Still a narrower toe box than the others, but certainly wider than a normal shoe and enough room for my toes to wiggle and spread. They now have 3 trips and about 120 miles on them. They might be my favorite hiking shoe or boot ever. They fit great and are super comfy. But (at least in my case) the sizing is weird.

I wear minimalist/barefoot/zero drop shoes day to day. I also hiked 1300 miles of PCT including all of JMT (well, the large part that overlaps) wearing a mix of Altras and Topos. I much prefer the Topos as simply much more durable and a bit more supportive, well worth the small weight penalty. Currently rocking the Traverse model. The year after my big hike, I attempted to hike a pretty tough 120-mile section "off the couch" using Vivo barefoot shoes instead of tried-and-true Topos. It was a total disaster. By mile 13, the soles of my feet were two giant blister cushions. I hobbled out the next day nearly crying from pain and hitched home, utterly defeated. Turns out padding and isolation from scorching hot jagged/sloped black basalt surfaces is important. So yeah, as u/_m2thet says, barefoot is good for maintenance of foot strength and gentle tread in normal, less demanding life conditions. Then when you put your feet to a hard test, you still want all the protection you can get.

Topo has road and trail shoes with wide toe box, good cushioning, and 4mm drop.

I tried out topo mtn racers which can be found around $100. They are low drop, wide ball/toe box. They were super comfortable, I think my foot was just in a weird zone between sizes which was the only reason I didn't go for them. I did go with Brooks Cascadias which aren't as low to the ground and have an 8mm drop. but I found the toe box pleasantly wide, and I did 40+ miles over a couple days in them with no issue. If you order from Brooks ReStart you can get used ones for half the price of new ones, mine were $70. Just sort by "Like New" and you'll get ones people did nothing more than try on before returning. I see a lot of people recommend xero for their hiking shoes if you are accustomed to barefoot/zero drop, they have a couple pairs of trail shoes on sale for around $75 right now.

Topo Mtn Racer 3 have worked well for me.

Topos. Absolutely wonderful shoes. Altra is my second brand I go to but Topo quality is better IMO.

Topo MTN Racer 3 or La Sportiva Jackal 2 would be my personal choices for cushioned mountain running. Lots of good choices out there - try before you buy.

I went with the Mtn Racer 4 and love them for summer hiking in the Rocky Mountains. I felt the Ultraventure didn’t provide the feel of stability which I seek. Ultraventure had great cushion but didn’t quite cup my foot so that I felt secure. For reference before these ToPo Mtn racers I hike a lot in Salomon XA Pro 3D for very difficult hikes (according to my old knees and bones).

Love my ToPo mountain racer 5’s! Love ToPo! Phantom model for my daily walkers and gym time

Yes love my new ToPo MT-5’s (mountain racers)

As a wide footer... Try an Ellis Brigham or Up& Running for some Inov8 Trailfly, they're pretty wide apparently but weren't wide enough for me. After that try Altra, but they're zero drop. I didn't really get on with them on the treadmill. I'd recommend Topo MTN Racer 3. They've got a wide forefront and are the best fitting running shoe I've had for my feet.

Definitely check out Topo, who have a similar toe box to Altra. I've been using the MTN Racer 3 which have been great, they're 5mm drop though.

What are you doing? Just getting started, or really long runs? I'd say the Topo MTN Racer 3 (which might be getting discounted due to 4 coming out) or they're about to release the Topo Vista which is a cushioned one. The MTN Racer is my main one, I think it's a good option for you if you're starting out.

I am a Topo convert. Ultraventure 3 is a nice shoe that can be used on road or trail, the Mountain Racer is my go to for muddy and/or rough trails.

I've got a couple Topos as well and I love the fit, but the arch is too high for me, and the midsole is very 'meh' and seems to break down a lot faster than other brands.

This is what I do all of my races in, however you have to lock the heal in so that foot doesn’t slide. In super technical stuff I get a bit of lateral sliding but that will happen with almost all shoes.

Or Topo Mtn Racers. Went from SG to these and loving the Topos

The La Sportiva Prodigio Pro sounds like it'll fit what you want (but perhaps size up 1/2 size). It's a fun shoe that's well made, bouncy, and good for easy or faster trail efforts across all distances. The Hoka Speedgoat 6 is OK, but nothing standout either. I've also enjoyed the Topo MTN Racer 3 and Arc'teryx Norvan LD 4.

They’re not exciting, but no shoes have protected my feet as well as my wide Brooks Cascadias. I have the new ones now after previously owning the 16s. My main issue with the 16s was they felt flat after about 150 miles. I haven’t hit that many miles in the new ones yet. I loved wearing my Topo Mtn Racer 3 but I’m pretty sure I need a smaller size because my pair gave me a lot of issues at my ultra. Cascadias have never given me a single foot issue.

I'm another fan of the Topo Ultraventure 4s. I got them in regular and wide and like them both. It's cold where I live and I like being able to fit thicker socks in the wides. My foot (as measured by Fleet Feet's scanners) is D width (women's wide) at the forefoot and my heels are really narrow so Topo's shape works well for me. I also have a pair of men's (for a little extra width) Hoka Stinson ATR 7s that I really love. Ooh and a pair of Mtn racers that I love the fit of but my arthritic feet can only handle about 3 miles in.

The real answer is they can be awesome if they work for YOUR feet. People with narrow feet and a high arch tend to hate them and they can even cause a high arch to collapse from lack of support. My feet, on the other hand, are wide and flat so Altra has always felt great for me. Recently I have switched over to Topo. My problem with Altra is that anything with more cushion than the Lone Peaks loses too much foot volume with the increased padding. The Topos give me the extra padding, more inline with an Altra Timp, but don't squish my mid foot like the Timps do. I still wear Lone Peaks 9's from time to time, but I have less fatigue in my feet with the Topos.

I definitely rolled my ankles more in Speedgoats than I do in my topos or lone peaks. But I don’t think it’s as much about stack height as it is about forefoot width. Just having a wider base helps a lot for the stability, for me at least

Topo’s. Altra grip sucks whereas Topo use Vibram so you don’t fall over as soon as it rains. The new Inov-8 fits in wide are pretty good too - less toe room but good width through the midfoot. Topo are pretty standard fit in the midfoot (I’ve not tried a wide fit of theirs) so depends where your foot is wide.

Topos for me are "Altras that actually fit my feet properly" and I love them. (I do have a narrow midfoot)

Yep. Also have a very wide forefoot but a narrow heel. Topos fit great. They're low drop but not zero drop, not hard to get used to especially for trail.

Topos!! I love them. Vibram soles, great toe box, well-made.

I run in Topos. They're wide toe box, Vibram soles, and either zero or 5mm drop.

I'm a hiker, but also a singer (amateur, but singing with competent choral groups). The singing group did a tour of Ireland one year, and France another. I bought a pair of black on black trail runners, and used them throughout the trip (concert dress was all black). Worked great. Similarly, our family did an ecotour in Brazil a year ago. I picked dark-colored Topa trail runners for that trip as well. Another good choice.

Topo Mtn Racer. I had a very narrow shoes before, but this was very comfy. Ran a few ultras in them. Lasted like 1200km.

Your best bet is to find one of the prior generation of current shoes (Speedgoat 5, Topo, Altra, Salomon etc). Anything is going to be light years ahead of chucks in terms of traction and support. Head to your local run shop , let them know your budget and try on as many as you can - every make/model fits differently and everyone has different feet , trying on in person is the best way to make sure you get the most value for your dollars. Good luck 👍

My preferred Topo shoe is the Mtn Racer 3. Just bought a new pair on closeout for $100.

How do you find the Mtn Racer 3 on rock and root filled technical trails? I see it doesn't have a rock plate.

After hours of exhaustive research, I did end up ordering a pair of Topo Mtn Racer 3s. I had a list of requirements, and didn't find one single shoe among 16 brands that filled all of them. So I had to give a little bit, and ordered the Topos and the Inov8 Trailtalon. Thanks for the input!

After hours of exhaustive research, I did end up ordering a pair of Topo Mtn Racer 3s. I had a list of requirements, and didn't find one single shoe among 18 brands that filled all of them. So I had to give a little bit, and ordered the Topos and the Inov8 Trailtalon. Thanks for the input!

After hours of exhaustive research, I did end up ordering a pair of Topo Mtn Racer 3s. I had a list of requirements, and didn't find one single shoe among 18 brands that filled all of them. So I had to give a little bit, and ordered the Topos and the Inov8 Trailtalon. Thanks for the input!

Maybe Topo Mtn Racer 4 wide? (Mtn Racer 3 doesn’t come in a wide, but the 4 does).

That’s my favorite shoe! The regular version is fairly wide, too, but it’s nice they offer a wide for folks like me (bad tailor’s bunion). Topo offers a few options in wide, including the Mtn Racer 4, but it’s not as wide as the wide Lone Peak.

It’s nice they offer the Mtn Racer 4 in wide. The 3 wasn’t available in wide. Unfortunately, it’s still too narrow for me. Same with the Terraventure. The Ultraventure in wide fits me, quite similar to the wide Lone Peak, but I don’t think it has enough grip. I really wish Altra offered a Lone Peak with a 30 mm stack height for a little more cushion on rocky terrain (and had it available in wide). But that’s probably an uber niche market.

Which Topo? I like my MTN Racer 3s but I feel like they give me absolutely NOTHING back.

I've just moved to wider toe boxes. I was a Salomon Speedcross 6 Wide fan, but really they aren't that wide, they just allow stretching and don't restrict your feet like others. Durability has been great through, I've hit 666km and there's some wear on the inside of the heel where my sock rubs. It's rubbed off the first layer and left a wee hole, but I don't notice it while running so I still occasionally use them. What I've done is screenshot my retired gear in Garmin so you can see the distances I got to on the shoes. I've either retired them because of lack of tread or a tear inside or out that's compromised the shoe. Hey, I like getting my money's worth! Here's the screenshot: [https://flic.kr/p/2qTBaV7](https://flic.kr/p/2qTBaV7) Brooks and Salomon have done me well, but as I say I'm trying out wide toe boxes in an effort to help with the heel pain I've been getting for years. I've recently bought Altra Experience Wild and Topo Athletic MTN Racer 3. Both feel great, although the Topo has some great arch support in there, but haven't cranked up the distances yet.

Take a look at topo athletic. I haven’t put miles on the trail running shoes I bought from them yet (MTN racer 3, 5mm drop), but I switched to them for road running because I needed a wide toe box but needed more cushion and arch support than the Altras I used to run with. I have 200+ running miles each on two of their road running shoes (Fli-lyte 3mm drop and Magnifly (zero drop) ) as well as 200+ mixed walking/running miles on the 5mm drop Phantom 3s. Started with the phantom 3s and Walkhero insoles from amazon for extra arch support to help me recover from Plantar fasciitis. Your preferences in terms of width (wide feet, but not enough for wide sizes) and arch support sound somewhat similar to mine. So if you order a bunch of shoes to try on from amazon, they maybe worth a look. Worth noting if you find a shoe that suits you in all aspects aside from arch support you may be able to address that issue with aftermarket insoles.

Another for Topa. I got the Terraventures recently as I wanted a wider toebox than my Hoka Mafates. Toebox is now great, but the rest of the Topo fit js a bit too wide for me 😅

Recently used Topo Mtn Racer 3 worked great

Every shoe will work for people differently. I did the first half in Topos and got terrible Achilles tendinitis and planter fasciitis. Made the switch to speedgoats at Shasta per the recommendation of the shoe guy and all symptoms started to get better. Though I had planter fasciitis until February the following year haha

Topo Mtn Racer and Topo Ultraventure are good trail options

I would also consider Topo. I find the fit of Altras a bit sloppy but Topo was much better in the midfoot.

LS Prodigio, Merrell Agility Peak and Topo MTN Racer as my go-tos. LS Bushido for techy shorter stuff. Saucony Peregrine ST for mud. Old pair of Cascadias with screws for the snow and ice.

Just got back from there on Saturday. I used my carbon trekking poles and Topo Designs trail runners I use for backpacking. Didn't regret either choice. I did store the second trekking pole after about 45 minutes of walking, since I found that one was enough and I liked having a free hand for grabbing the walls or whatever from time to time. The only regret I had was wearing Sealskinz "water socks" -- the kind that have a plastic layer inside two fabric layers. I would have preferred just using my wool hiking socks since my feet were drenched on the first step in the water anyway and the water was warm enough I didn't need the insulation effect. They were completely comfortable for 10 miles over nearly 5 hours in the water, but they were not needed.

Topo has zero drop. I went through xero trail shoes they were alright. Altras tend to fall apart these days.

Why not look for lighter options within Topo like the Mtn Racer or the Pursuit?

Another vote for Topo.

Interesting. My mtn racer 3 ripped in 3 months. I'll try again. I like the feel of them so much and I dont want to give up

Topo Ultraventure for cruising on smoother trails and Topo MTN Racer for a firmer ride and better grip on more technical terrain.

Width on the mountain racers is great, I have low arches and it took a good 30 miles or so before the arch support flattened out enough to feel good. LP7s felt great out of the box (as did experience wild). Otherwise fit and traction is pretty similar. Both drain well. After runs with more than like 3,000ft of climbing my Achilles used to be sore, I don't notice that with the topos (5mm drop). Admittedly last year was my first full year as a CO resident so I'm climbing much more these days. Totally possible I'm just more fit and the show has nothing to do with it. I also prefer topos gaiter system over altras. Not that altras gaiters are bad, I just find topos system a little easier to take on and off. The MT4s I think would've been better had I sized up, but they had the same issue with the arch support. The MT4s failed at like 150 miles. Sole separated from the shoe. The MT4 failure spurred my revisiting Altra. The mountain racers are still going strong at 270 miles. I like to keep two trail shoes and two road shoes in my rotation. If my mountain racers make it to 500 miles I *MAY* buy a second pair depending on how long the Experience Wilds last.

Width on the mountain racers is great, I have low arches and it took a good 30 miles or so before the arch support flattened out enough to feel good. LP7s felt great out of the box (as did experience wild). Otherwise fit and traction is pretty similar. Both drain well. After runs with more than like 3,000ft of climbing my Achilles used to be sore, I don't notice that with the topos (5mm drop). Admittedly last year was my first full year as a CO resident so I'm climbing much more these days. Totally possible I'm just more fit and the show has nothing to do with it. I also prefer topos gaiter system over altras. Not that altras gaiters are bad, I just find topos system a little easier to take on and off. The MT4s I think would've been better had I sized up, but they had the same issue with the arch support. The MT4s failed at like 150 miles. Sole separated from the shoe. The MT4 failure spurred my revisiting Altra. The mountain racers are still going strong at 270 miles. I like to keep two trail shoes and two road shoes in my rotation. If my mountain racers make it to 500 miles I *MAY* buy a second pair depending on how long the Experience Wilds last.

3rd for Topo. First shoe I ever tried on in a store and felt like it was specially designed for my foot to fit in. I’ve had 5 pairs of Ultraventure 2 and also wear MTN racers. I prefer the lightness and responsiveness of the MTN racer but prefer the cushioning of the Ultraventure for anything longer than 12-15 miles. Excellent outsole grip and very durable.

I’ve been rocking lone peaks since 2.0 after switching from some la sportiva. I have gone through at least 7 versions of lone peak including a pair of high top water proof ones. I enjoyed them so much. This season I got a pair of topo UA4 to try and I’m in love all over again. It’s not a lone peak at all but wow are they comfy.

My Topo MTN Racer 2's are still going strong, tho I suspect they'll be due for retirement at some point in the not too distant future. Will probably go with another pair of Topo when the time comes.

The only ones that give me problems out of the box are Topo, I really hate their built in arch support, I use arch support insoles in other shoes but the Topo mold is just wrong and hits my foot in a really uncomfortable way, also makes it difficult to use aftermarket insoles since the prominent arch built into the midsole throw off the fit of arch supports. Between that and their zipfoam having the durability of Styrofoam I'm honestly shocked how popular they seem to be.

Topo. I run in the for road and trail.

Topo. I’ve backpacked everywhere in them. I prefer trailventure 4. Traverse is a mid narrow in the last, so they decided to sell it in a wide. Met a retired topo sales rep on the Colorado trail and he swears by the mountain racer. That’s going to be my next shoe.

I love Topo trail runners. Every person has a different foot & will likely find comfort in different shoes, but the wide toe box concept was a life altering discovery for me. I think several companies make shoes with wide toe box, but I like the fact that Topo makes durable shoes with wide toe box that are not all zero drop. I know many that love Altra as well, but most of their shoes are zero drop. To each their own 🤷

As far as anatomically foot shaped trail running shoes go, there aren't many options: Altra (0mm drop), the new Inov-8 shoes (4-6mm drop), Topo (0-5mm drop), Ronhill maybe (5mm drop). There are many other brands that offer certain models in 2E or 4E width options, but those won't be anatomically foot shaped. Of course there are the barefoot shoe brands, but as you mentioned you wan't probably more stack hight underfoot.

I’ve taken my Topo MTN racer’s up Longs, Capitol, and multiple laps up Freeway on the 2nd flatiron. The wide toe box isn’t great for the class 5 moves on freeway but I’d say they’re the perfect scrambling shoe if you’re looking for something for class 3/4. I like a lower drop shoe for scrambling because I feel more centered/connected to the ground. I also use them as my primary on any technical trail run less than 8 miles and they’re great.

I already replied to the OP but yes I think that must have happened here. Take a look at your title- that's what people are responding to, because there aren't trail shoes that compensate for weak ankles. it sounds like you just need shoe recs and have had ankle concerns before though? You're right that better shoes will make a difference. Can you go somewhere and try on different pairs? my personal favorite for gnarly terrain are topo mountain racers.

I have both. Mountain Racer 3 has a little more cushion and a 5mm drop IIRC. The Mountain Racer doesn't drain very well. The Pursuit 2 fits me a little better and seems to cause less rubbing on my heel. It drains better and is 0 drop. Both solid shoes, I'd probably give the Pursuit 2 a slight edge. Ultraventure 3 is solid as well. High cushion and 5mm drop.

I have both. Mountain Racer 3 has a little more cushion and a 5mm drop IIRC. The Mountain Racer doesn't drain very well. The Pursuit 2 fits me a little better and seems to cause less rubbing on my heel. It drains better and is 0 drop. Both solid shoes, I'd probably give the Pursuit 2 a slight edge. Ultraventure 3 is solid as well. High cushion and 5mm drop.

Try topo mountain racer 3.

Wow thank you did, I have been looking for someone to do exactly this for a while now!!! So my experience with them started with the Terraventure 4. I have tailors bunions and the TV4 murdered my foot lmao, it has this rigid structure around the midfoot that was absurdly painful. Other than that i loved everything about them. I went to the UV4. It has a significantly wider fit than the terraventure, but so much so that I had problems with my foot slipping towards the end of the shoe. The terraventure was of course so tight around my foot that I hadn't experienced any issues like that. It seemed like to get the Ultraventures to keep my foot in place I had to tie them so tight that you guessed it, I also would experience pain that murdered my foot lol I ended up seeing the Mountain Racer 3 on sale and ordered a pair of those to try them out. The color scheme I got was super goofy, the blue and orange, but it was like 40% off lol. My least favorite visually of the 3. They fit just right. For some reason my foot stays in place with them significantly easier than the ultraventure, I don't have to lace them anywhere near as tight. They do not cause me unbearable pain. So I actually emailed Topo and told them basically all this and asked them which of their shoes fit most similarly to the Mtn racer, got no response. What you posted is basically exactly what I was looking for

I have both the mtn racer 3 and ultraventure 3, i find them to have different applications mostly due to the outsole design. The ultraventure rubber has less coverage, shorter wider lugs, and is less tacky. Mtn racer 4 is coming out in May 2025, so there will be sweet discounts on the mtn racer 3 when that happens.

As far as construction, materials, drop/ footbed contour, and most impressively, da foam is just peak return energy.

Neither would I if they made road version Vibram soled shoes that fit with as much toebox width and vertical volume. But, alas, I'm wearing Mountain Racer 3s and Lone Peak 9+ wide on concrete. My bunion foot does not fit into any other shoe with a decent level of cushion. I've not tried Escalates. If they'd make the Torin 2.5 again, with Vibram soles, my feet would be very happy.

I had mixed results with Topo products in off-trail trips in Wyo and Utah. Runventures = no. Had chunks of the midsole + the sole rip off. Terraventures = no. Had the upper rip where it meets the midsole from my pinky toe all the way back the start of my heel. Had to hike out 20+ miles and my knee hurt for a month. MTN Racer's have been tanks for me and I pick 'em up whenever I see a good price.

The topo MTN racer 3 (not 4) has a wider toebox than the lone peak 9 wides in my opinion. 

Asics gel-cumulus in 4e and Topo MTN racer 3s are my current shoes of choice. 

I've been running in the Topo Mountain Racer 3 since September and love them. I've used mostly Lone Peaks for 5ish years but I could never get the fit right on newer LPs

I'm big on my lone peaks, they're pretty awesome, though the width threw me off at first. Now I have all of my shoes as wides and my foot has expanded to fill them which they tell me is healthier. The 0 drop stuff is supposed to be good too, but you have to ease into it to avoid achillies issues. Altra sold out to corporate at some point semi-recently so quality seems to be dropping, but Topos are a solid competitor. Topos offers shoes with varying drop and widths ranging from 'accessible' to 'very wide'. Wide-ish is great for hiking, but too wide and you'll slip around. As far as ankle support, I can't be much help as I'm pretty stable as-is. I haven't had any issues, but I'm not likely to regardless of what I wear. I'm usually taking a <30 pound pack over passes in the rockies, and no issues yet. I did do one pass in my Xero sandals and that felt like an injury waiting to happen in the snowy talus.

Hope this is the proper place to post this review(and minor question). Be great if anyone else with experiences of Topo Athletic shoes(particularly road models) could mention how fit/sizing was for them. # TLDR Topo Athletic sizing consistent among trail runners(for fitting length/width), nuances in actual width along entire shoe. Road shoe sizing seems a bit narrower(ST-5 SIZE UP), and drastically different from trail runners. Trail runners using Vibram Megagrip outsoles have fanastic grip/traction. Uppers/midsoles/outsole pretty good overall. **Does anyone have Topo Athletic Magnifly 5/Fly-Lyte 5(or previous versions), should I size up half a size? And people who own ST-5, did any of you size up half or full size?** # INTRO Currently I own several models of Topo Athletic trail runners and road shoes. What I have(**THIS IS ALSO IN ORDER OF WIDEST FIT TO NARROWEST**) : 1. MTN Racer 3 (TRAIL) 2. Terraventure 4 (TRAIL) 3. Traverse(Wide size) (TRAIL) 4. Cyclone (ROAD) 5. ST-5 (ROAD) I came from running in mainly Saucony, Hoka, Salomon. I eventually moved towards lower drop and wide shoes such as Altra and some other brands. I found Topo Athletic as a solution for running shoes that offer some lower/mid cushioned models with low drop(0mm, 3mm, 5mm). My main goal is finding wide toebox shoes. Perferably firmer cushion with a lower stack. Drop doesn't matter as much, but preferably zero to low. # SIZING I sized US 12 Men's for all models. Traverse I got in a wide version as reviews said they run narrow. # USE/MILAGE I have used the MTN Racer 3 for over 320km+ of running/hiking, Cyclone for 100km+ of running, Terraventure 4(Trail/Hike) for 36km trail runing, and Traverse(Trail/hike) and ST-5(Daily/Run) for less than 10km each at this time. Most of my shoes I run distances of \~1km-26km, majority of runs between 2km - 10km. # FIT Amongst all shoes, volume was good. Would say it is average volume, and my foot has a low-medium instep and low arch. Compared to something like a Lone Peak 9(tested fit in store), they have more volume in the toebox. TRAIL : Between the three trail runners, there is a noticeable difference in fit. Mainly with the heel lockdown. I would recommend staying true to size, sizing up half size may be viable if you have wide heel, otherwise you risk improving toebox/midfoot and/or width/length but having heel lift. All trail runners have basically same length internally, and it is plenty(0.5-1cm extra TTS). * **MTN Racer 3** * Widest Toebox, Slightly narrower midfoot, and narrow heel. * Very secure fit, no issues with pressure. * Inner heel fabric tore, perhaps due to my own wear. Repaired with Tenacious Tape. * **Terraventure 4** * Wide Toebox, narrower midfoot, wide heel. * Heel lift would occur even with thick socks and lock lacing techniques. * Harder to find good lacing that doesn't pinch my instep but also doesn't have heel lift. * **Traverse** * Wide Toebox(Narrowest out of all trail shoes), in a wide size. Slightly narrower midfoot, slightly narrower heel. * Width is approximately same/slighly narrower than normal width Terraventure 4. **ROAD :** Road shoes seem to be really different in fit. Problem is that most stores do not carry the models I want to try on(if any), and there is limited reviews for me to properly gauge which size I should order. * Cyclone * Wide toebox, slightly narrower midfoot, slightly narrower heel. * Width is between MTN Racer 3 and Terraventure 4, probably closer to latter. * ST-5 * Narrow toebox, same width midfoot, slightly narrower heel. * Fit would probably be same as trail shoes if sized up half or full size. * Significantly shorter internal length/width, at size 12 the inside of toebox has slight taper which bothers my big toe. # UPPERS **TRAIL :** All uppers are practically the same. Very nice flexible mesh that is tight and kind of breathable. I haven't tested the drainage/drying of Traverse and Terraventure. But the MTN Racer 3 faired well in drying/drainage during a long run I did where my feet got soaked several times. Traverse does come with a water resistant/quick drying insole, but I have to see how that compares to the normal insole later on. Tounges on MTN Racer 3 and Terraventure 4 are nice and padded. Traverse is also padded but a bit shorter. All pretty comfortable. **ROAD :** Cyclone had a very breathable yet tight upper with not much stretch, but due to its shape and sizing it doesn't cause discomfort. Heel is not padded and thin, but has a more grippy material. ST-5 Upper is nice, not as breathable but stretchier on the main part. Has a stiffer mesh on the lower upper around the toebox. Cyclone tounge thin, but comfortable. ST-5 is lightly padded tounge and comfortable. # MIDSOLE **TRAIL :** All midsoles are pretty similar, moderate firmness. MTN Racer 3 was pretty good responsiveness for a shoe that is 28/33 stack and no rock plate. When moving to Terraventure, it has a rock plate and 22/25 stack. It is a bit more rigid but still pretty nice for running. Traverse is 25/30 stack and has a rock plate as well, but also includes stability features which make it noticeably more rigid than the MTN Racer 3 and Terraventure 4. I'd keep the Traverse mainly for hiking use, rather than trail running. **ROAD :** The Cyclone midsole(23/28) is pretty firm, which I like and find it very responsive. For the short time I have used the ST-5(14/14) I find the midsole is firm, but not as firm as the Cyclone. Both I would probably reserve more for short/faster runs, but the Cyclone I would use for racing(as I only have those two Topos in my road shoe rotation right now). I have used the Cyclone for a half marathon and it was great. # OUTSOLE **TRAIL :** All outsoles for these trail runners are the same. Same tread and same vibram megagrip. Super stuff, really good traction and grip on dirt, snow, rocks, asphalt. I am bit more confident on wet rock, but still cautious. I aimed to get only trail runners with the vibram megagrip as it seems pretty reliable in reviews compared to the Vibram XS Trek EVO offered on some less aggressive trail runners. Additionally as I have worn the MTN Racer 3 for over 320km, It barely has worn down on the lugs and still provides more or less the same amount of grip from the rubber. **ROAD :** Cyclone and ST-5 both have decent outsoles that grip pretty well on the road. I have ran in dry/wet/snowy conditions and I didn't have any issues with grip. For 100km it seems the Cyclone is barely worn and seem promising for many more hundreds of kilometers. # WEIGHT **TRAIL :** All shoes are pretty decent weight all in the 300-400g range. Terraventure 4 and Traverse are only slightly heavier but feel a bit more bottom heavy probably with the added rock plate. **ROAD :** Cyclone is pretty light, ST-5 is super light. Weight of one shoe(left) : * MTN Racer 3 : \~327g * Terraventure 4 : \~335g * Traverse : \~350g * Cyclone : \~262g * ST-5 : \~221g [MTN Racer 3, Terraventure 4, Traverse, Cyclone, ST-5](https://preview.redd.it/26l8aqnx7sfe1.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57b8a22069934c89ca4c0f5f52073886442d3216) [Wear of outsole on MTN Racer 3\(\~320km\) VS Outsole on Traverse\(\~4km\)](https://preview.redd.it/346dvpnx7sfe1.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d252501be8ffae05a5a19c8b9f9bd42e41769120) [ST-5, Cyclone, MTN Racer 3, Terraventure 4, Traverse](https://preview.redd.it/opo50qnx7sfe1.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0049df1fda4503cc5d04be3a919832112de6e95c)

I switched to trail runners after years of wearing boots for two main reasons: comfort and quick drying. Hiking Boots and Hiking Shoes made my feet ache and sweat after just a couple of hours of hiking; therefore, I looked for an alternative. I heard about hikers wearing trail shoes, and since I was a runner, I thought I'd give it a try, so I did, and I never went back. I wear Altra Lone Peak (flexible, comfy), Topo Mtn Racer (stiff), and Hoka Speed Goat (comfy, bouncy), depending on my mood in that order. My go-to is the Altra Lone Peak as they have a rock-plate and are zero-drop. I just find them to be like a glove, allowing me to "feel" the ground when I hike. I have hiked extensively in Pennsylvania, a place that I believe is one of the rockiest places on earth. Rocky as in, the trail is rocks where every rock is pointy and the points all face upward ready to pierce your foot. For reference: I've hiked all over the West and consider the Rocky Mountains to be comfortable by comparison. If you want to really protect your feet, then Topo Mtn Racer or Hoka Speed Goats will give you that added bit of protection, and a bit of bounce. As far as grip goes, all three are excellent. It's truly amazing how good they are at gripping scree, sand, and unstable terrain. I do caution when it comes to wet and slick rock though - for that, I have no answer, but good luck. My Altra Lone Peaks saved me from nearly sliding off a cliff on sandy terrain in Arizona, kept my footing bouldering up a mountain in Pennsylvania, and across a ridgeline of scree along Mount Hood in Oregon.

I love a wide toe box but can’t do zero drop. I don’t like the lack of push off and I’ve had plantar fasciitis in the past which is not suited for zero drop. I use Topo and Altra low heal to toe drop but not zero.

Topo Mountain Racer!

Just picked up a pair of mountain racers, snug fit with a wide toe box and they feel great

Get the Topo Mountain Racer 3 and thank me later

+1 for MTN Racers 3. But given it's aggressive lugs, I wouldn't say I enjoyed the feel of it in tarmac.

Topo Pursuit. I own a pair of Topo MTN Racer 3 because I needed the deeper lugged outsole. Fits perfectly for my wide feet. Man, now I feel I should've bought a Pursuit as well for shoe rotation 🤣

Moved 2 years ago. Escalate and Timp feel apart. Ordered another timp and the build was sick low quality only 1 made it into my foot and returned. Topo is my brand now. Done with Altra

I use speedgoat for road and topo mtn racer 3 for trail. I’m on my second pair.

I have loose ankle ligaments. My lowest drop trail shoe, the MTN Racer, is what what I’ve rolled my ankle in the most. My highest stack, Trabuco Max, I’ve rolled it the least. Not saying lower = more rolls, but I don’t think you’ll a big improvement with lower drop. Ankle strength work, ankle brace or wrap

I really like my Topo MTN racer! On the road my easy day shoe is New Balance 1080 so I like a cushioned shoe too..

My Topo lasted a very long time in the uppers (no tears) but the heels are completely gone and the foam disintegrated. When I told them they said it’s from insoles (which many people wear and other shoes don’t seem to have an issue with). I didn’t detect any desire to address the issue.

Oh ok. They fit me fine and have been great for running.

As someone who used to love those shoes but my last two pairs barely lastest 200 miles, try Topo shoes out. More secure heel and very wide toe box. I got the Mtn Racer 3s. My buddies have said the Ultraventure are great too

For what it’s worth, I had to return my MTN Racer 3’s due to the arch being painfully tall. They were totally fine when I was on a 6 mile trail run but once I loaded up my backpack with about 25 pounds for a training ruck they immediately started to hurt my arches. I’ve never had this problem with any shoe brand before. According to my running shoe store I have an average arch. Your mileage may vary but just something to think about. I did love them until that moment however.

Thanks, I have not. I bought some Ultraventures today and took them on a moderate incline and decline 3 mile hike to break them in. Felt really great. Soooo much cushier than Lone Peaks. And a little more arch support too. Felt like walking on a cloud. I enjoyed the slight amount of drop also, coming from a totally flat zero drop Lone Peak. The shoe store guy said Altra makes one with a slight drop now, so I tried those on but there was too much going on inside the heel cup for me, so I went with the Topos. It's my first pair, pumped :) He said podiatrists are recommending Topos a lot now.

Altra’s proprietary outsole isn’t as good as Vibram Megagrip or (I assume) La Sportiva’s. So if you go Altra I’d only wear pairs that have Vibram Megagrip outsoles, like the Olympus. Better idea is just to get Topo. Wide toe box, variety of drops (including zero drop if you like), more durable, and all their trail shoes use Vibram Megagrip outsoles. I use Mtn Racer 3 myself, which are a direct competitor to the ever-popular Hoka Speedgoat (which also uses a Vibram Megagrip outsole).

Topo, Altra and recently Inov-8 have adopted ‘Foot-shape’ style shoes that are wider een less pointy in the front.

I think I have a similar foot to you - front is wide due to bunions but the rest of my foot is regular width. I absolutely love my Topos - I discovered them last year and am currently on my second pair of the Ultraventures (my pick for easy/mild trails) and first pair of Terraventures (good for muddy/rooty/technical trails). I still use some of my other shoes but the Topos quickly became the ones that I always reach for. I think the mtn racer is supposed to be a good all rounder - I found it wasn’t quite wide enough in the toe box for me, but I think they might be bringing out/have brought out a wide version.

I got the same big toe rub in the MTN Racer but 1/2 sized up and added Sole active medium insoles for the support and toe room I needed. I did need to use a heel lock lacing method for stability, but only on really choppy trail sections. I went to Topos after the Speedgoat 5s gave me width and arch stress problems. I tried the Ultraventure 4s in my regular size and didn’t get the toe rub experienced in the same sized Racers. I’ll be testing the fit and durability of those with a spring purchase and hope to get the 700+ miles I got from the MTN Racers.

I picked up some Gel Trabucos here recently and love them. Other shoes I have been wearing are xodus ultras, mtn racers and brooks catamount. Fit wise I love them, they feel stable and enough cushion while not being clunky like my catamounts.

+1 for Topos. I have wide feet and they are great

Google will never get you there. And even individual reviews can be biased. You’re gonna have to try them on and see what works for you. “These run narrow” or “these run wide” is BS. It’s all relative to the individual. Sounds like you want a “low” and not a “mid”. And we’re immediately going to rule out Oboz and Keen and Merril. Try Solomon, try Topo, try even a bushido by La Sportiva.