Complete C3 Electro EcoLine SGFP3

I don’t even understand how there are still BIFL vacuum threads when Miele exists. You do any searching at all and Miele is the answer. I got my Miele in 2016 and it’s pretty much exactly the same now as the day I bought it. I replaced one of the attachments, because I wanted to level up from nylon brushes to horsehair brushes. Otherwise it’s perfect. Hot tip, I bought mine at the very end of the year after Christmas and they were having a big sale. It was a long time ago so idk if they still have end of the year sales, but worth looking out for one. I also at some point bought the extra long skinny nozzle attachment which has been handy.

I have the model that can use a hepa filter and has the electric head, not just the non-powered brush head. Without the electric head, I don’t think it would be very effective on carpets. The non powered brush is great for my wood floors. The electric head has no issues on carpet and I have long hair (I try to contain my shedding though, if I have a loose hair, I try to put it in the trash). The electric head has 5 settings of how high off the floor you want the brush, and the canister has multiple levels of suction, so you can do pretty much any surface from carpet all the way down to curtains and upholstery. Honestly I remember growing up with my parents’ mediocre vacuums and having hair get wrapped around the roller brush all the time and having be a huge pain in the ass to clean? The Miele seems to have no issues at all. I can’t even really remember ever having to unstick long hair, though maybe I have once or twice. Their instructional videos really emphasize going slow enough to rely on the suction to loosen and pick stuff up. And it is really good. However, I don’t have pets so can’t speak to how that changes things. When I bought it, I remember them saying it was designed to last for a minimum of one (or two?)hour of vacuuming per week for 20 years. Also, it has a pedal you tap with your foot to automatically retract the cord and it is an amazing feature. I just remember how much I loathed to wrap the stupid long ass cord of my parents vacuum. The cord retractor is dope af, makes it all feel like much less of a chore. ETA: Mine is also the mid-range, and when I bought it, it was advertised as being a little more compact than their full sized ones, which it is and I love it. Perfect for an apartment or if you don’t have enough storage space, and it’s easy to move around.

If you get a Miele you don’t have to give up any suction :)

Miele c3 non-powerline version w/ a wessel werk 285 head

For carpet, it’s hands down the best. It has the most of everything a vac needs to super clean carpet. Airflow, agitation, etc. 132 - 150 CFM is monstrously high, and that is measured where the carpet intake is. On other vacs, the airflow is about 1/4 - 1/3 of that at the carpet intake, and they don’t agitate as well. I keep a Kirby around for deep-cleaning carpet but daily a Miele C3. The Miele C3 with the SEB 228 nozzle is impressive on carpet, but it still isn’t like monstrously powerful.

S8s are super, super easy to repair. What broke? The C3 is still available in some stores, even from Miele directly. I tried many other vacs and couldn’t find one that had the power and comfort and the S8/C3. The Guard L1 models are slightly less powerful, but still very good vacs.

Alternatively, the Sebo E3 is probably the closest thing. It doesn’t have as much power, and it isn’t available with HEPA-13 (or HEPA at all), nor is it as comfortable to use but they are very durable and well-engineered. People that don’t like them tend to not like them because of the hose, which is also a common complaint with the D4. Overall, the C3 is significantly more comfortable to use, more power, superior filtration, more aggressive carpet performance, more suitable for residential applications. If it is the motor in your S8 that died, the motors can be replaced in 2 - 5 mins. Very easy, not expensive. $130!USD is what I see that listed at.

The Dyson V8s have awful suction. I suppose they’re okay for hard floor quick pickups but for a mains vacuum, you need a corded canister with a premium hard floor tool. I think Sebo is one of the few companies in the EU that produce power nozzle equipped canister/cylinder vacs. If you can get a Miele canister with the SEB228 power nozzle, and the premium parquet twister hard floor tool, that’s my favorite setup. I used to be an upright vac guy but I’ve been converted. It really isn’t good. They’re also a lot cheaper in the EU than they are in the U.S., but even at US pricing, I find them worth it.

Sebo has incredible customer service in my experience. Lenny, the corporate technician, had me ship him my Sebo X4 directly to him. He covered shipping, parts, and labor - even knowing I bought it on eBay. Granted the eBay seller was a retiring Sebo dealer who had one X4 left, in stock. Most companies would automatically disqualify it because it wasn’t purchased directly from the dealer itself. I told Lenny this, and he said as long as I could verify it was coming from the original dealer who purchased it from Sebo, that he would honor the warranty. He fixed it. $0 out of pocket except for the time, energy, gas, masking tape, etc I used packing it and taking it to the UPS store. Lenny had sent me a shipping label. I also appreciated that when I called, I spoke to someone I could hear (good reception), understand (linguistically), and made the experience very personal - not the typical over seas call center experience common in today’s world. It was impressive. I still prefer my Miele C3 as far as canister vacs are concerned, but Miele’s customer service line is hit and miss.

I've owned/ own both and prefer the Miele **C3** for a few reasons. It has more airflow, more suction, superior filtration (H13+) available, an aggressive beater bar (Sebo's is too gentle imo), and I find it significantly easier to use. It's also a very serviceable vac, very simple to take apart for tune-ups, repair, deep-cleaning, etc. I found the Miele C3 to be a lot easier to disassemble than my E3 and D4. I can do it in 2 minutes flat with a drill.

I love the C3 models. They’re hard to beat. I wish more vacs were like them. It wish there was an upright version. Hopefully Miele will make one, at some point.

S8s are super, super easy to repair. What broke? The C3 is still available in some stores, even from Miele directly. I tried many other vacs and couldn’t find one that had the power and comfort and the S8/C3. The Guard L1 models are slightly less powerful, but still very good vacs.

Alternatively, the Sebo E3 is probably the closest thing. It doesn’t have as much power, and it isn’t available with HEPA-13 (or HEPA at all), nor is it as comfortable to use but they are very durable and well-engineered. People that don’t like them tend to not like them because of the hose, which is also a common complaint with the D4. Overall, the C3 is significantly more comfortable to use, more power, superior filtration, more aggressive carpet performance, more suitable for residential applications. If it is the motor in your S8 that died, the motors can be replaced in 2 - 5 mins. Very easy, not expensive. $130!USD is what I see that listed at.

It’s also important to differentiate between types of HEPA. Miele’s HEPA is H13+ and almost H14. It’s very rare to find H13 in vacuum’s, as most are H11 if they even have HEPA. Rainbows also utilize H13, but aren’t the easiest bags to use if used frequently. I would definitely get a Miele Complete C3, Complete C3, Guard M1 or L1 AllFloors, one with the Parquet Twister floor-head. It significantly better than the AllTeq and FiberTeq heads, and you can get an extra-wide version of it. For rug(s), the TurboTeQ head is sufficient for low pile area rugs.

Miele Complete C3 canister, or a Sebo canister. Both are extremely well engineered. Sebo wands are more durable, but the Miele overlap has the most power, best filtration, and are known for lasting for 10 - 20 years (depending on use rate). It’s also a lot easier to use overall, lots of little things that add up. Sebo’s are commercial grade, more utilitarian, simpler, designed to be used for extended periods every day and still hold up for many, many years; but they come with some traded off drawbacks. I think the Miele canisters are the best choice for residential level cleaning (maybe twice per week for 20-30 mins each time), while the Sebo models are better for commercial level use - using it every day for 45 mins - 1+ hr). Canisters tend to be better for use floors, but both Sebo and Miele sell canisters that are exceptionally effective on carpet - rivaling premium uprights. Get the upgraded hardfloor tool with either brand you go with Sebo Premium Parquet or the Miele Parquet Twister floor head. The Miele version is a lot easier to whip around, but both are premium.

The lightest-weight upright vacs don’t do the best job, but canisters can be exceptionally effective and are the traditional choice for those that want an easy-to-push vac, have back problems, etc. They’re very handy. I used to hate using them but now they’re my preferred vac. They get under furniture, much easier to use attachments with, clean car out with, and they’re a lot better on hard floors. Miele and Sebo are the best canisters. Out of those, I recommend Miele for residential applications - specific models, though. C3 mainly, Guard L1 Electro. Either with the Parquet Twister floor head. The C3 is the best Miele, and has recently been discontinued so get one while you can. Sebo canisters are more utilitarian, simpler, slightly lower performance, but the wands are a little more durable. Still, I choose the Miele for its higher power, comfort features, and excellent filtration.

From a hose perspective, and the time required to use, upright vacs are annoying. They at first seem like they're the easiest, most powerful, fastest machines to use, but let me tell you, I have learned the truth. If you are like me and hate fighting the hose, hate having the upright fall on you, etc, you need to consider a canister, but not just any canister. THE most flexible, easiest-to-use vacuum from a hose-use perspective is any Miele canister with the Comfort-Grip handle. Why? I'll give you 4 reasons off the top of my head. REASON 1: Unlike most canisters, the Miele hose handle pivots left and right, AND rotates 360 degrees. Therefore, it does not tangle, and it does not pull on you or the vacuum nearly us much as other hoses do. REASON 2: The hose becomes very pliable over time. My Sebo hose (especially bad), Kirby, Rainbow, Hyla hoses have all been frustrating to use because they are (a) stiff, and (b) don't pivot (so they awkwardly pull on me and/or the machine and/or the floor tool). REASON 3: Additionally, with Miele's Parquet Twister hard floor tool, you can vacuum in much tighter, 90-degree angles than other vacs allow; and therefore you don't have to reposition yourself or the vacuum, or move furniture like you would with other machines. REASON 4: Ultimate cleaning performance and comfort is my end-game with vacs, and I haven't found a vacuum that beats my Miele C3 in that regard. IS IT PERFECT? Yes, and no. Does it have drawbacks? Sure, all vacuums do. It isn't ideal for commercial-level use, but that's okay. It was fine-tuned and engineered for residential household environments, oriented towards the most discerning, demanding customers. There are a couple of features I wish it had to make it even more of a pleasure to use, but my complaints are minor and have not affected my stance. It's the closest thing to a perfect vacuum that I can find, and Miele continues to refine them.

It was a Miele C3. I can vacuum my house the fastest with it than I can with any of my uprights or stick vacs. Ironic.

A bagged sealed system Miele HEPA is H13+ is the best filtering vacuum available. Ordinary vacuums use H10 or H11 HEPA, and are not fully sealed. Many “sealed system” vacuums are not actually sealed or don’t maintain their seals for long. It is exactly why I bought my C3. The Guard models are even more efficient than the C3, more like H13+.

I see the appeal of a stick. I have a V15. It’s about 3 yrs old. It’s primary role is for in-between cleans, small messes. Touch-ups. But, if I am going to vac our main living areas or the entire house, I can get the job done a lot faster with my Miele. If I am going to deep clean the carpet, I don’t pre-vac with my V15. I use my Kirby. If I am going to detail a vehicle, Miele. If I am going to use attachments for deep cleaning, Miele.

C2 is a great model but you need a powerhead for the medium pile carpet. The C1 Cat Dog, C3 Kona, C3 Marin, C3 Homecare+ or check out a Sebo K3/E3.

Miele C1 Cat Dog will give you everything you need. (You can find them around $650ish right now) You may be able to score a C3 Kona/Marin for under $1k as there are sales. A canister is, somewhat an all in one solution. It can clean from wall to wall and floor to ceiling. No batteries to replace, built to last. I’d reach out to your local dealer to see if they can get you a deal!

The C3 is the better model, more future proofed too.

OP didn’t mention the performance at all on their post. 🤣🥴 Glad you find your vacuum sexy and ergonomic. Meanwhile the rest of us Miele and Sebo owners will enjoy the actually clean floors and exhaust air being cleaner than what is sucked in.

I have some miele, not sure if the same model as you. And the best thing about it is that it has 12m cable. Way longer than my previous philips, I just plug it into wall in kitchen a vacuum whole floor in all rooms. Same with second level. So much nicer than having to move to a different wall socket 3 times per floor.

All 3 are excellent. You really can’t do wrong between the 3. Personally I’d place more weight on the price, warranty etc between the two brands. It’s splitting hairs (see what I did there?) but I’d rank them 236, et-1, 228 in the order of cleaning performance alone. Like I said, they’re all great I don’t think there is a “right” or wrong answer here. The removable brush is a huge plus for Sebo. But IMO the Miele cleans better. However the Miele’s are not user serviceable. Also know that while I think the 236 cleans the best (by a narrow margin) it does have this awkward belt placement where it leaves a path of uncleaned carpet about 3/4 off to the side. I use that as a guide on how much to overlap but some people find it annoying.

No it doesn’t. I believe the 228 is slightly narrower so it doesn’t have that design “feature”.

I have one for quick messes and love it. It’s the perfect pair to my C3 (thanks to performance reviews for the tip) I believe both those models have the powered attachment point. It’s when it’s called the S194 is when you need to do your due diligence. Worst case, as for a picture of the attachment point. It’s easy to see if it’s electrified or not.

Don’t overpay for a rainbow. You can get a Sebo d4 or Miele C3 for less than half. For allergies you want something corded **and bagged**. Find a local Miele/Sebo dealer and give those a try. Which exact model depends on your flooring.

I’d avoid any bagless stick vacuum. A canister style is very light in the hand because the motor glides along behind you on the floor. Sebo K3, E3 or Miele C3 would be the best choices. Your local dealer probably has them on sale. If you don’t have a dealer there are deals to be had online and many users here own stores and will ship

It’s not a waste at all. It’s arguably the best vacuum on the market. I use my Miele C3 canister 2-3 times a week. It’s less convenient than a stick, sure. But you can always grab a cheap stick for daily quick messes and use the D1 for weekly deep cleans.

Check out r/vacuumcleaners As mentioned Miele and Sebo are top brands. You can safely ignore any shark or Dyson recs. They’re garbage. As is anything bagless.

Vacuum wars is a paid shark shill and not to be trusted. Hell Chris even appeared in a shark commercial. BIFL vacuums absolutely exist. They’re corded and bagged made by brands like Miele and Sebo.

*Cordless* Vacuums are disposable. **Corded and bagged** vacuums like a Miele or Sebo will last you 2 decades or longer. Ask r/vacuumcleaners

Miele, Sebo, Henry, Lindhaus. Shark and Dyson are garbage. Check out r/vacuumcleaners

You want to ask r/vacuumcleaners. Miele or Sebo is the correct answer. Corded and bagged. Safely ignore any shark or Dyson recs. Find a local dealer and take a few Miele’s and sebos for a test drive. Specifically the Sebo dart if it’s mostly for carpet.

Miele C3 or Sebo E3 are true sealed, bagged HEPA units. They're excellent for allergies, pet hair, mixed flooring and rugs.