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ConBroMitch2247Is a Miele C3 Excellence in the cards? It’s on sale for $699 CAD and should last you 15-20 years. And since I’m spending your money - I’d also look at a Sebo K3. It’s a bit more, but will last you every bit of 20 years and beyond. Short of that, look at a Kenmore 600 series.
I have one for quick messes and love it. It’s the perfect pair to my C3 (thanks to performance reviews for the tip) I believe both those models have the powered attachment point. It’s when it’s called the S194 is when you need to do your due diligence. Worst case, as for a picture of the attachment point. It’s easy to see if it’s electrified or not.
Don’t overpay for a rainbow. You can get a Sebo d4 or Miele C3 for less than half. For allergies you want something corded **and bagged**. Find a local Miele/Sebo dealer and give those a try. Which exact model depends on your flooring.
Check out r/vacuumcleaners As mentioned Miele and Sebo are top brands. You can safely ignore any shark or Dyson recs. They’re garbage. As is anything bagless.
Vacuum wars is a paid shark shill and not to be trusted. Hell Chris even appeared in a shark commercial. BIFL vacuums absolutely exist. They’re corded and bagged made by brands like Miele and Sebo.
*Cordless* Vacuums are disposable. **Corded and bagged** vacuums like a Miele or Sebo will last you 2 decades or longer. Ask r/vacuumcleaners
Miele, Sebo or Lindhaus. Check out r/vacuumcleaners
This is the answer! You can still get a Miele for only hard flooring.
Agree with J3ttf! The Miele is a worthy splurge!
Miele, Sebo, Henry, Lindhaus. Shark and Dyson are garbage. Check out r/vacuumcleaners
You want to ask r/vacuumcleaners. Miele or Sebo is the correct answer. Corded and bagged. Safely ignore any shark or Dyson recs. Find a local dealer and take a few Miele’s and sebos for a test drive. Specifically the Sebo dart if it’s mostly for carpet.
Flat_Direction1452Looks like the c3 excellence has the electric power brush. It's smaller and not as good on really deep carpets as the higher end ones, but it's still great! Should be perfect for you, and that's a good deal. Great find!
Don't put much stock into the cancer warning, that exists on loads of vacuums and is mandated by California. If you don't live in california, you probably own dozens of items containing the same materials already and just not labeled as such. It's more of a "right to know" thing rather than an actual warning of harm. If the vacuum manufacturer specifically says "here are the only approved vacuums", then if you want to maintain your warranty, those are the choices. There's no getting around that unfortunately. If you put in a warranty claim for wear and someone comes to assess the carpet, they can ask to see what vacuum you've been using. And they absolutely can deny claims based on that. If you're willing to ignore their recommendations, a miele or sebo would be the way to go. (Personally I don't really agree with their recommendations, I just wanted to explain what could happen if they are ignored). On mieles, look for one equipped with the SEB-217 power nozzle. This is their smaller nozzle with softer brushes and should be fine on more delicate carpets. Probably a good idea to dial the suction back to the midway point as well. Some miele C3s can be optioned with this head. Sebo is another awesome option. Either the K3 or E3 ranges with electric powerhead. Sebo provides an optional softer brushroll, which would be ideal in combination with the adjustable suction. This would be an extra add-on but not overly expensive. The default brushbar has blue brushes, the softer one has green brushes. Sebo Felix if you prefer an upright, can be equipped with the same delicate brushroll and also has adjustable suction. Thats the nice thing about miele and sebo, you can dial in the power exactly to suit your surfaces and they both have more gentle brush options.
Unusual, the miele c3 has more suction than any cordless vac and with the electrobrush head has better agitation than the dyson for carpets. Maybe it's a preference thing or something with your specific rugs. Sometimes vacuums just don't work on certain rugs because of the shear number of variations.
I would look at a Miele canister/barrel style vacuum, the C3 range is my favorite, with the parquet twister hard floor brush. Possibly the best hard floor vacuum attachment I've ever used. It has openings all around to pull in debris, and the bristles gently dust the floor as you vacuum. The bristles are very soft and gentle, and it has no motorized spinning bars or hard wheels on the head to tangle with hair or possibly scrape. And it's simple to clean, just run the end of the hose across the brushes a few times to pull off any stuck lint. The barrel part of the vacuum itself has rubberized wheels which won't mar or scratch. And you should be able to find a model with an air driven turbo brush for the carpets in addition to the parquet twister head. If not, those accessories can be bought as an ad-on. Not familiar with the specific models avaliable there, but any of the (preferably bagged) models with the parquet twister and the turboteq would be an excellent combo for you.
The airstorm, while good, is no better than a miele or sebo. I wouldn't pay the premium. Mieles and sebos are also sealed to trap dust. They are also more modern in design and easier to use (they have cord rewind while the air storm does not). There's nothing really bespoke about the airstorm. Underneath the top shell, the power nozzle is the same as ones avaliable for Miele models. The hose and other tools are generic off-the-shelf supplies etc. While it would probably last you a long time and do a good job, you might resent using it. I'd strongly suggest you try one in person before choosing, and frankly I'd save money and go with a nicer to use miele/sebo.
Sebo or miele if you want something high quality which will actually last 15+ years and be repairable should a part wear out. They have high performance and filtration standards. The shark is fine for 3 to 5 years with decent performance. The dyson, being cordless, you should only expect 2-4 years. And it won't have the performance of the others unless used on it's highest but shortest runtime mode. Kinda comparing apples to oranges here. If you need something immediately the shark is probably ok, but if you want something to last definitley go check out miele and sebo.
fugax1you paid for the regular price then. i got my c3 excellence from canadian tire for $649 5 years ago. i also see a few used ones go up on fb marketplace for 200-300 (obviously do your due diligence when purchasing used ones)
look into miele canister vacuum. i have the C3 and it's the best vacuum i've owned.
mixed of hardwood flooring and carpet (bedrooms and stairs). also have a couple of dogs and the vacuum does the job really well. the attachments that come with it are great too. the c3 model that i have has a longer cord which makes it easier to haul around the house without having to unplug it. it's a canister vacuum, make sure you consider the bags with your budget as they can be a bit much.
komari_kUhhh, theres and amazing deal on the c3 excellence at Costco, I dont know for how long but https://www.costco.ca/miele-complete-c3-excellence-canister-vacuum.product.100500111.html
They all have the same motor, the difference is mainly in the heads/attachments. If you have wall to wall carpets that are medium to high pile seb 228 and seb 236 will do really well. If you have mostly hard floors then pure suction machines can work. There newest pure suction, guard L1 all floor has a new head that can work on low pile carpets from what ive seen, but in my opinion itll be harder to push on the max setting when on carpet. If you can find a good deal on a c1/c3 you can save a little since the new generation is m1/s1/L1.
There's not a lot that differs between models. Since you have a lot of carpet the main feature you want is an electric power nozzle. Wheather its a c1, c3, or guard model that's the main feature. When comparing models, filter by the models that come with Seb 228 or seb 236 as they are best for carpets and are height adjustable. The c1 and c3 have cat and dog powerline models, several c3 models, and the new guard L1 electro and some s1 models. All will have a 1200 watt motor. I think most of the cat and dog ones and the new guard ones come with a HEPA filter and all will also come with a suction only head that works well on bare floors and low rugs. Edit, I think the classic c1 cat and dog would meet the requirements. You can buy them online, but if theres a local vacuum store you'd probably get better warranty or more options and accessories!
My miele c3 has ended up being my most favorite machine ever! The only real issue is finding the best model for your needs. If its low pile or berber the new guard L1 all floor can handle it with straight suction. If its a medium to higher pile the classic c1 cat and dog powerline, c3 kona/marin, or machine with seb 228 will handle carpets really well.
Miele and sebo are both great and pretty similar, with differences in the power nozzles. Miele is not as user serviceable whereas the sebos et-1 brush is removable. The electric hoses can be a point of failure and the sebo if i remember right has replaceable components on the outside where as Mieles i believe have to replace the whole hose. As for bagged vs bagless, bagless machines are a little more work for the user as you need to maintain the filters and occasionally clean out the canister but are sometimes more convenient. Bagged machines are better if you have bad dust allergies and are generally lighter, because dust is bagged, filtration tends to be better and the canister is kept clean. You still have filters to change, but miele includes the basic ones with their bags which in my opinion are good for the average user. I personally got a miele at a really good price and have really enjoyed it so far. Since you have a lot of hardwood and low pile rugs, you could go for most miele models, theres the guard series, L1, etc. A model with the parquet XL head (16 in) will give a pretty big cleaning path for hard floors!
mmgk09I just bought the C3 complete excellence on sale for $649.99 CAD from Best Buy. It works really well on carpets just make sure the one you buy has the electro comfort head and not just the universal floor head as I found it to not work well on anything more than short pile.
roxbox531I have a White Star from 1998, still use it today, but I bought a CX1 bag less and a used C3 excellence in the last few years.
SumGai7No problem, there’s a lot of confusing Miele names. The C3 Excellence is good for hard floors and regular carpets/rugs but it has a smaller powerhead that can get clogged up by long hair. It also doesn’t have carpet height adjustment so it’s not good for high pile or plush carpets. It is wired so you can add a different carpet powerhead. For the same price you can get a Sebo Felix if you prefer an upright vacuum.
I've learned that I prefer to buy a quality tool as soon as I can afford it so I can enjoy using it longer. Definitely get a replacement battery for your Dyson because a cordless vacuum is still very convenient. I'm a bit hesitant to recommend the Miele C3 Excellence because with its included powerhead, it won't do as well on higher pile rugs/carpets, and it isn't good with long hair. Miele has discontinuing the C1 and C3 Series and has replaced them with the Guard S1, M1, & L1 and the prices have increased. Parts for the C3 Series should be easily available for many years to come. If you are used to an upright check out the Sebo Felix Dart and Sebo Felix Premium $549/699 CAD. They have a wider carpet powerhead than the C3 Excellence and they have carpet height adjustment. They both can clean carpets and hard floors. The Felix Premium adds swivel steering and comes with an additional dedicated hard floor brush. They are kinda top heavy and have a short built-in hose. If you want a canister vacuum with more floor flexibility than the C3 Excellence, check out the Sebo K3 Premium $899 and Sebo E3 Premium $999. They have the same full-size powerhead as the Sebo Felix. They are more expensive than the Felix because of the extra parts required. If you can find a Sebo Dealer, try all of these vacuums in person.
What vacuum do you use now? There are a lot of Miele models, so I'll try to answer as best I can. For Miele in the U.K. the Cat & Dog means the vacuum usually comes with an air-powered turbo brush (for rugs), a carbon exhaust filter (for odors), and sometimes a mini turbo brush (for upholstery). The main turbo brush is good for low to medium pile rugs or minimal carpets. A turbo brush will make it easier to clean rugs than just using a combo floor brush. It isn't good for high or plush pile carpets, lots of carpets, or long hair because it has a narrow diameter brushroll that gets lots of hair wrap. This applies to other brands turbo brushes as well. I'm wary that a turbo brush will be any good on your deep pile carpet, its likely it will stall/stop spinning. Then you'll just use the standard combo brush. While I think the Miele C3 is better than the new Miele Guard L1 you may want a vacuum with a carpet powerhead and carpet height adjustment to work on your carpets. Not a lot of canister vacuums in Europe offer carpet powerheads but Sebo still does. You may want to check out the Sebo K3, Sebo E3, and Sebo Felix upright vacuums. They have electric carpet powerheads with carpet height adjustment, but you might need to swap in Sebo's green soft bristle brushroll. Hope that helps.
The Sebo K3 and Sebo E3 cost more than the Mieles because of the carpet powerhead and wiring. The Sebo K2 Turbo and Sebo E2 Turbo are the non-powered canisters closer to the price of the Mieles. I saw in your other comment you're looking at the Sebo Felix which is a great choice for an upright with a carpet powerhead and some of the U.K. models include the Premium Parquet Brush for dedicated hard floor use. You can use the carpet powerhed with the brushroll off and the height set to 1 for hard floor cleaning too. The nice thing about Sebo powerheads is the brushroll pops out without needing any tools for faster access and removing hair wrap.
If you only have tile a suction-only canister vacuum will work well. You don’t need a carpet powerhead since you don’t have carpets, but if you find a good deal on a vacuum with a carpet powerhead you can just leave the powerhead on the side. I’d look for a Miele C1, Miele C3, Sebo K2, Sebo E1, Sebo D1, or Henry 160. They’re all very good canister vacuums. I like Sebos more than Mieles because they are a little more durable. You have to be more careful that a used Miele wasn’t abused by running it without a bag or using generic bags that let dust wear down the motor. There are a number or commercial canister vacuums that are also good at hard floors like the Nilfisk GD930. If you find a good enough deal can be attractive. Electrolux canister vacuums are pretty solid, the old brick looking ones. I’m not the biggest fan of them as they don’t roll as well as newer canisters. Avoid Kirbys, they’re made for carpets and avoid Rainbow vacuums as the water creates more work and weight. Hope that helps.
Superturtle1166A Kenmore canister would easily fall under your budget and have a lot of the ergonomic features you need, like lightweight, cord reel, foot pedals, and fingertip controls. Tbh any canister these days have foot pedals and cord rewinds. I'm a Miele fan, but sebos are a better value. If you can get the Sebo k3 from a dealer (usually for under $700) that would be your best bet. You'd use your dominant hand to maneuver the floor head while using your non dominant to pull at the hose to reposition the canister as you go. If you don't have two hands at your disposal pulling the canister and working in sections while surrounding the canister also works. Bonus points if your place is the perfect size for the canister to use only one plug centrally. These canisters tend to have less weight in hand than even stick models (other than the upright style stick models). These canisters will also last 20 years, with each bag filling up every 3-9 months depending on if you have pets and how many people you have at home. Bagless vacuums require deep cleaning and filter maintenance that will aggravate allergies with the aerosolization of fine dust. with bagged models, you simply toss and replace the bag every few months, and replace the filter every 4ish bags (which works out to 2-3 years for a smaller home/family). Sure it's a disposable, but they're made from recycled fibers already and it's a better prospect than buying a subpar machine every few years. It is also just more hygienic. And are the only option for folks with the worst allergies. Sebos work excellently and have good filtration, however Mieles, with their HEPA filter do filter slightly better and function better and more quietly, however they are more expensive. Any Miele with the parquet twister floor tool and seb217 would be right for you. I recommend buying it from a dealer as you can mix and match the floor heads. From a dealer you can get the c3 Kona with the seb217 (instead of the 228 bc it's lighter) for under $850 on sale, and there are sales. You might be able to get the c1 homecare model for cheaper, so ask about that. The cat & dog model is cheaper but you'll want the HEPA filter. Also Miele bags & filters are cheaper than sebos, even if youre using Miele HEPA with the full size machines. Sebo parts are only sold by dealers and they're very expenny. The Miele allergy pack is 8 bags and a heap filter for $55 (~retail for the Miele HEPA or Sebo filters alone). Other than that, I'd say lookout on the used marketplaces for good deals. I got my $1800 Miele for $300, so it's possible. Good luck.
Dyson's done good work innovating tiny powerful motors and battery density but considering the competition has caught up, right now their price is a brand image thing. LG and Miele make better cordless vacuums at a similar price point (they're more easily repairable and maintainable) Overall cordlesses aren't made for daily use, especially with more than one person or a pet. There's way too much dust and you can expect around 3 good years from any model. Barely anyone empties bagless machines when they hit the full line, allowing more dust to transit the motor killing it faster. With a bagless, cordless(small) and an animal, esp if one or both of you have long hair or a lot of body hair, you may need to empty that bin halfway per room. If you're willing to drop $400 on a vacuum and looking for quality (and want to buy new) get a bagged, corded canister. Even a mediocre one can last 20 years. The best last for longer especially when maintained. The bags fill every 4ish months, and if you swap your filters every set of bags (usually every year or two) you won't have cat or vacuum smell accumulating. The cords are usually on self-winding reels, and because the motor is in a pod that follows you, there's very little weight on the wrist. Canister also have long hoses and telescoping wands, by design, making cleaning surfaces easier (corners, vents, baseboards, windows, AC units, etc). The nicer/nicest canisters are quieter, more powerful, and filter better than literally any cordless on the market (checkout rtings.com for head to heads, if you'd like). Most cordless vacuums have electrically driven brushes which are good for carpet, but a little dismal for floors. They'll scratch the most delicate floors with their wheels and they'll bulldoze clumps and particles. Best case scenario is you have to hear the droning of the brush and the wheels as you cover every sqft with that 8" head. All canisters are designed for hard floors, the best having articulating tools, without moving parts that can suck up clumps and particles without clogging and allow you to sweep over your floors (like how the Dyson omniglide advertises it can emulate). Cordlesses are meant to be for quick/urgent cleans, however home cleaning is largely regular/preventative. Having a cat myself, I've found the "fantasy" to be a robot vacuum with a real vacuum (for maintenance and deeper cleans). I do own a cordless but I rarely use it (it's a Miele triflex, 1st gen). I have a Miele c3 (S8) canister and a dreame l10s ultra robotthe robot sweeps 3 times a day, mops the cat area daily, and mops the whole place twice a week. I swap its water weekly and swap its bag every 5~ months. I swap my Miele canister bag every 6~ months, but I sometimes clean for my friends and family so that's including their dirt. The business end of my robot certainly gets dirty as it sucks/licks my floors clean daily and I have an elderly cat, but my least favorite part of vacuum maintenance is still cleaning my triflex's pre filter. It's such fine dust and gets everywhere; having a bigger vacuum is necessary for this. A couple with a cat in a one bedroom (also my situation) would probably fill a Miele bag every 6-9 months, thus requiring new bags & filters every 2-3 years. My vacuum's filter timer corroborates this rough estimate. So if you're hard on that $400 price point, and require buying new you're in a bit of a bind for attaining the fantasy, but that's okay! The best place to start is with a bagged, corded canister, then you can wait some time and get a robot later. Then you'll have both and both will have longer lifespans as they care for each other (I'm serious lol). The easiest way to stay in budget is buying this "real" vacuum used. Depending where you are, you can get a $1500 vacuum for <$300 with some patience and hunting. Buying new: go to a vacuum store (with your partner ofc) with Sebo and Miele and try them out. The quality is palpable. At your price point, you can afford the Sebo k2 kombi or Sebo e1(better) or the Miele C1 (hopefully you can get a deal on their homecare model). I prefer Miele because they're quieter, more powerful, and filter better, but they're more expensive and Sebo recently has demonstrated they're more serious about vacuums than Miele is. Miele hasn't changed their builds or practices but no longer offer the 10yr or 7yr warranties like they used to (Sebo still does). Mieles made-in-China machines (the cheaper c1 and c2 machines) still have the German motors and the build is excellent as expected (let's be real, China is the leader rn in quality manufacturing too). If you're buying Miele bags and the sfha50 (full size) filter, Miele bags & filters are cheaper(in the allergy bundle). If you're just using Mieles basic filter included with the bags, Mieles bags & filters are cheaper. If you need the Miele compact HEPA (sfha30), then the Miele bags & filters are more expensive than Sebo. Only buy the xiaomi family of robot vacuums (roborock, dreame, mova) as they're built excellently and are easily repairable. eBay has excellent refurb deals on dreame & roborock, just be patient. And they include warranties! Skip buying new garbage cyclically: get something that lasts once, take care of it, and never have to buy it again 🤷🏾♂️ I bought my s8 UniQ (retailed for $1500) from a cleaning company for $300, serviced it myself, and it runs beautifully; now it's a teenager! My parents vacuum is old enough to vote and it runs quieter than mine. Mine certainly shows battle scars but these machines are made to last and made to be taken care of. When you think of a vacuum like a major appliance, the price tag is easily to swallow. They are major and can last longer than many other things. If you have the scratch, and you're gonna be vacuuming justifying $1800 on the Miele homecare+ (or $1100 on the Sebo e3 if you like that better) is a no brainer. Only issue there is making sure your relationship lasts longer than the vacuum 😘🙏🏾💖 as I imagine custody battles over a Miele homecare+ can get ugly.
Long story short: no. Mostly because of cordless, as that mostly scuttles your requirement for asthma care. Most cordlesses are bagless, and one trip emptying that bin and it's game over for your bronchioles depending how bad the asthma is. There's basically only one bagged cordless (Henry quick, so check that out, but it doesn't stand) but it's not really meant for primary use. The Miele cordlesses (triflex), are great for what they are (bagless and cordless) and they stand up, have swappable batteries and work well. Their filtration/dust sequestration will always be worse than a bagged. I love my triflex but I also use it maybe once a month or less because of my corded, bagged Miele. I understand you don't want to compromise but what you describe is impossible with how our technology works rn, just like fusion, solid state batteries, or SC power lines, the technology is not there, and even worse than those technologies I listed, very few are working on what you want. You can get everything you want if you accept a cord or accept dirtier air with a bagless. If cost really isn't an issue then I'd say buy a corded bagged vacuum (not the shark rocket, it's generous to call that a real vacuum) and get a robot for daily maintenance. That's probably the best of both worlds as you don't have to compromise on clean or a cord, you just need two devices to meet your needs. If you've never used a cord reel I'd suggest trying it as well. My robot is absolutely the hardest working member of my household, so maybe a robot is what you're looking for? Good luck! But what you're looking for doesn't exist, unfortunately. And because I'm that girl: the only consumer vacuum in existence that's fully HEPA certified is the Miele c3 with their HEPA filter installed, so make of that what you will. That means not only is its filter hepa, but the machine is fully sealed and certified through testing to not allow more than 99.95% of particles smaller than 2.5 microns through. If you want the best clean available, especially noticeable to asthmatics, a Miele c3 is the only answer. Edit: my personal cleaning peeve is running wheeled things over hard floors, which is extra why im recommending the Miele c3. It's just so grating and demoralizing to hear those damn wheels every fkn pass. And no power/motor head will be as nimble as an articulated hard floor tool. If your space is hard floors, you actually have it a bit easier, as carpets make vacuums more expensive. And getting Miele or Sebos cheapest will still suit your needs. I know i said triflex comes close to what you want, but misses asthma care. I say get a bagged c3 and miss out on cordless but actually have a clean home with a machine that'll last a lifetime and work like new until the day it dies (which may be never with care). My skin is crawling thinking about running my triflex all over my hard floors.
Well if you want a quiet vacuum, (the quietest to be specific) your option is the Miele C3. The Miele c1 is marginally louder but still quieter than a Sebo. Both are quieter than any Dyson lmao (those things are crazy loud and they don't even tune their motors to offload the whine behind our scope of hearing). The Miele c3 on max is quieter than a Dyson on normal. So the cheapest option would be the Miele c1 classic pure suction. The nicest option would be the c3 gala edition. Both are hard floor only machines, but the build quality of the c3 really speaks for itself. If you're iffy about spending so much on a Miele, try visit a local vacuum store with mieles. They'll be happy to let you try them out and Miele dealers will always sell lower than online listed MSRP. You'll also hear firsthand how much quieter they are. Technically speaking, all bagless machines will be pretty loud bc they don't have much soft padding to capture the sounds (bag, nice filter). Cordless machines overall are very loud because their motors are smaller, spinning at a higher speed to generate similar pressure, and those tiny whirring things make a huge high pitched sound, characteristic of any Dyson machine (vacuum, hairdryer, hand dryer). Combine a cordless bagless and you have the absolute worst care scenario for sound dampening. Mieles recently upped their motor rpm while reducing size, but they tune their motors such that the majority of the sound falls above the frequency of our hearing. My cat doesn't seem to hate my Miele so clearly it's not that loud ultrasonic either. Checkout rtings.com for objective measurements but lemme tell you: we've been a Miele family for about 2 decades now. I bought my mom a Dyson v11 thinking it'll be great for the kitchen but she hates it! It's loud, clunky, weak (relatively: it cant rice grains from the corners) and it needs SOOOOO much brush roll maintenance omfg. Huge waste of money tbh. It's still hung in the kitchen but I think they only use it for vacuuming the stairs now (with the electro tool). The Miele canister is obviously better for our cars too. Nowadays, I think the avg active home only needs a bagged corded vacuum, and a robot. There's very little place for cordlesses imo ESPECIALLY as EVs now have power outlets that allow the use of a normal vacuum.. (I have one and my partner still uses it more than I do, but we wouldn't be in need without one. I only bought it bc I found it for a steal not because I wanted a cordless).
