I've read enough posts here to know that a cordless vac will never complete with a corded unit. I've had my Miele Capricorn for years and love it, and we also have a Roborock robot that for whatever reason I really only use to vacuum and mop the kitchen daily. I've had a Dyson v6 around for years for quick clean ups, kitty litter spills etc but it's getting pretty worn.
I've been tempted to grab a refurb Dyson v8/10 \~$200, but I know Dyson sucks (or doesn't suck to be more accurate...) What else should I be looking at for a cordless vac that preferably won't end up with my wifes long hair or cat hair wrapped around the roller constantly?
Miele. Have had our platinum since 1998, Capricorn since 2005, C1 since 2005, C1 since 2009, another Capricorn since 2013, and C3 since 2015. All still working beautifully, only issues were with the 2013 Capricorn, which has been to the repair shop multiple times - bad apple blended with an aggressive housekeeper. We would never consider purchasing anything but Miele. Because of our positive experience with the vacuum, we bought a Miele refrigerator and a Miele dishwasher in 2013 and both are still going strong with minor repairs along the way. Miele is well worth the investment.
Miele. Have had our platinum since 1998, Capricorn since 2005, C1 since 2005, C1 since 2009, another Capricorn since 2013, and C3 since 2015. All still working beautifully, only issues were with the 2013 Capricorn, which has been to the repair shop multiple times - bad apple blended with an aggressive housekeeper. We would never consider purchasing anything but Miele. Because of our positive experience with the vacuum, we bought a Miele refrigerator and a Miele dishwasher in 2013 and both are still going strong with minor repairs along the way. Miele is well worth the investment.
They do get gummy, I've only got old used ones rehabbed from eBay finds.
The Capricorn definitely has a bit of tackiness to it, but not unbearable.
The Gemini has a more basic handle without the controls in it. It must not have had the rubberized grip, it's not sticky at all. It had paint chipping here and there, but with new filters and a new bag it surprised the heck out of me with how well it sucked.
The wands must be that long to reach up I'm guessing. I'm 6'2", 6'3" on a good day and there's at least 2-3 clicks length left when it's at a comfortable height for me.
Probably just a dusty connection. It would be worth the cost for a can of electrical contact cleaner to see if it would help.
I have an older Miele Capricorn with the button controls on the handle and it would shut the vac off if the handle and wand were in just the right position. I took it apart, cleaned it up with the spray, made sure all the buttons were good and clean. It works like new, or what I imagine new would be, no issues whatsoever.
I'm sure that's why this vacuum was being sold. It was a bit fiddly getting the handle back together but not terrible.
Mieles are organized in 4 tiers: C1 Compact (entry level, smaller, for apartments & small homes), Guard M (replaces the previous C3, none of these have a power nozzle in the US Market), C3 (outgoing workhorse, find one this Black Friday, they are solid machines, the Kona, Cat & Dog, Marin, HomeCare E+ all have power nozzles), and the Guard L series. The black L models are suction only, the blue and titanium have power nozzles. The new Guard models that are labeled Cat & Dog do not have a power nozzle, instead they use an air driven turbo floor nozzle.
Ideally, you have a vacuum retailer near you so you can test drive these and get a good deal;
Miele C3, these are being closed out and remaining stock is marked down. The Kona, Cat & Dog, Marin, and Homecare E+ are the C3s to look for. A Miele C1 Cat and Dog is also a solid choice. There are 2 brand new L1 Guard vacuums from Miele; the L1 (blue) and L1 Electro (titanium). All of these models but the Marin use the same SEB 228 power nozzle. The Marin gets a lower profile SEB 236 with an LED light. Only dealers can sell the Homecare and Electro models, these have 5 year warranty’s vs standard 3 year. Discounts for Black Friday are @20% for remaining C3s, at least 15% everything else.
For Sebo, the E3 and K3 are excellent vacuums to also consider. German made like Miele, 10 year warranty’s if purchased from a dealer, and very reliable.
I agree with previous poster, offer $500 and highlight the vacuum's age. I paid $400 for a HomeCare E+ in similar condition and luckily it is has been an excellent used vacuum.
I have both Miele and Sebo canisters. The Miele SEB power nozzles handle thicker pile carpet better than the Sebo. I have a thick pile area rug in the master bedroom and the Sebo can't handle it. The Meile wand will go flat for under furniture cleaning, the elbow is angled more than the Sebo, in practice it isn't a significant difference. The Miele expendables (bags/filters) cost a bit more than Sebo and maintenance for a Miele will cost more compared to Sebo. The Sebo's break down much easier, quicker than a Meile. Which would I choose? I prefer my Miele C3 over the Sebo E3, but for whole house cleaning the Sebo D4 with the 40' cord and 1.5 gallon bag is the clear winner.
Congratulations and look forward to your follow up review after a whole house cleaning. Miele did a poor job assessing the US market for the Guard series. We get the same handle and hose as the previous models; not the new handle with controls released in Europe. They discontinued the SEB 236 power nozzle (LED light, lower profile), and only two models with a power nozzle. None of the Cat and Dog models have a power nozzle! The new Fiber TeQ All Floor attachment looks promising though and will probably be added to my C3's arsenal of tools.
Both Sebo E3 and Miele C3 canister vacuums are top tier. Both use the same handheld turbo brush attachment (made by Wessel Werk) that is excellent for dog beds, upholstery, stairs. The Miele C3’s are discounted now as the new Guard series is replacing them. A Miele white dog and cat model or Marin navy blue model are probably the best pet vacuums you can get.
If you are future proofing your purchase, the D4 is ideal for the 3K+ home. In use, the D4 with its rotating hose is very manageable, not too different than a C3. Carrying the body alone upstairs is 15.9 pounds vs 12.5 for a C3. The Sebo wand and head is lighter than a C3 with a SEB 228 power nozzle.
I have Corgis and they shed fur as a hobby. Sebo or Miele with a power nozzle, not the entry level suction only machines. The ideal pair is a Sebo E3 canister and Felix upright. The Felix is my daily, the E3 is my weekly deep cleaner. There are clearance deals on the Miele C3s right now; look for the Cat & Dog, Marin and even the HomeCare+ canisters. The Miele power nozzles handle deep pile better than Sebo, otherwise the vacuums are tied for performance.
The first things you'll notice about a modern vacuum is how quiet and compact they are compared to your Silver King. The Sebo D4 Onyx (or any Onyx version) opens the door to dealer-only extended warranty, pricing and accessory packages; 10 years motor/casing, parts and 7 year labor.
Now that Miele rolled out their Guard series of vacuums, remaining stock of C3s are discounted. Standard warranty on a C3 is three years, but if there is a HomeCare edition (Red color), they are the Meile dealer-only line and warranted to 5 years. Only the entry level Miele's are Chinese, the majority are manufactured in Germany/Europe. The Guard Titanium is the current, dealer-only model from Miele.
Both brands are BIFL, and the canisters are the GOAT for whole house cleaning (dusting, furniture, stairs, etc.). The D4 is designed for larger homes (40' cord, 1.5g bag). The Sebo E3 and Miele C3/Guard series are in the sweet spot for the average size home with a mix of bare floors and carpet. Models with a power nozzle will provide the most versatility to grow with your needs as you move from rentals to your final home.
Get both brands and various models in your hands and test drive them in store. Black Friday is coming and these are always discounted this time of year.
No. The M1 Cat & Dog is a suction only machine, it does not come with a power nozzle. The attachment it includes is an air driven turbo and the package no longer includes the handheld mini turbo tool. We have bare floors and wool rugs on the main floor and use the C3 with the SEB 228 power nozzle. C3 models like the Kona, Cat & Dog, HomeCare, and Marin. The Miele Classic C1 is your entry-level option with a power nozzle and should be discounted still at your local dealer.
We have two very active Corgis that bring in mud, leaves, fur, etc., especially now that we have rain and snow. I use the Bona flat mop with microfiber pad and hardwood floor cleaner. For quick cleanups, I grab the Bona mop handle and use the Bona pre-soaked pads for hard wood. I use the basic Bona pet system that includes the tool, dusting mop and micro fiber pad. They also make waterbased cleaning solutions for cleaners that are safer for pets.
Miele an Sebo are the premium canisters due to quality, warranty, and filtration. Of the two, Miele hoses are more flexible. I have both the Sebo E3 and D4, and both hoses are stiff and bulky due to their tapered design. I also have the Miele C3 and prefer it for dusting because Miele makes a larger, fully articulating brush (SUB 20) that works on the ceiling fans and bookshelves. For hard floor cleaning, the parquet twister is my go to, both Sebo and Meile have a version of this attachment. Based on your cleaning needs, a suction only machine will work well. Look at the Miele Classic C1 or Guard M1. Sebo comes in a close second place for portability. Look at the E1 or K2 Kombi and add the parquet twister. If you have a vacuum dealer, go there, the Black Friday discounts will be better and they will give you a package discount for any additional attachments, bags, etc.
The Sebo X4 is best suited and designed for carpet and not hardwood floors. It does not have an option to turn off the brush roll for your wood floors. The Sebo Felix is an ideal option for your floors and will clean above the floor. Add the optional 9' extension hose and it makes stairs, walls, etc. easier.
I own several models of both the Miele (C3, U1 upright) and Sebo (E3, D4, Felix) vacuums and found both brands have excellent quality and longevity. The Sebo models are designed for easier repair and have longer warranties. The consumables such as filters and bags are cheaper for the Sebo as well. But, my Miele C3 is my favorite for whole house cleaning. The parquet twister makes quick work of hard floors and goes easily under furniture and the handheld turbo tool (same Wessel Werk design for both Sebo and Miele brands) is excellent for your upholstery, pillows, carpeted stairs.
Since you have a few low pile rugs, I don't think you require a power nozzle, it would be overkill. The new Miele Guard M1 or L1 series vacuums in the Cat and Dog versions will provide all the floor tools needed in your space. It's a lightweight, quiet, and very durable design. Add the new FiberTeQ AllFloor attachment and you're set!
I bought a used Miele C3 home care plus ($1500+) with extra filters and bags for $350 on Facebook marketplace. I cleaned it up a bit and it works good as new, best vacuum I’ve ever had. Don’t listen to folks telling you not to buy used; actually good vacuums are insanely expensive and used is absolutely a viable option if you want to be a little more frugal. Obviously the only caveat is to be patient and wait for the right deal.
You’ve done a good amount of legwork to get to this point. IMO go to your local Miele/Sebo dealer and test drive the C1 cat and dog, C3 home care, Sebo K3/E3/D4 to see which you prefer.
From a repairability standpoint Sebo edges out Miele and they also have a longer warranty (I say this a Miele owner) but there really isn’t a wrong option between The two brands.
Well, no offense - if you have carpets you bought the worst Miele for your use case.
You want something **bagged**. It requires no cleaning. Just a new bag when it’s full (2-3 months) and new filters annually. That’s it.
So a Miele C1 cat and dog, C3 Homecare or Sebo K3 or E3.
Miele is currently closing out their current lineup so you can definitely get a deal on outgoing models (which imo are better than the new ones)
Knowing you have a few rugs and one is shaggy (those are tough for any vacuum FYI) I’d lean towards a Miele C1 cat and dog. You’ll want the electric powerhead imo. Or if it’s a larger home look at a C3 Homecare.
I’d look at the Miele C3 Homecare if they still have it, or Sebo K3 or E3.
No wrong answer, they are all excellent. The biggest difference is Sebo’s longer warranty.
Find a local dealer that sells both ideally and take them all for a test drive to see which you prefer.
All 3 are excellent. You really can’t do wrong between the 3. Personally I’d place more weight on the price, warranty etc between the two brands.
It’s splitting hairs (see what I did there?) but I’d rank them 236, et-1, 228 in the order of cleaning performance alone. Like I said, they’re all great I don’t think there is a “right” or wrong answer here.
The removable brush is a huge plus for Sebo. But IMO the Miele cleans better. However the Miele’s are not user serviceable. Also know that while I think the 236 cleans the best (by a narrow margin) it does have this awkward belt placement where it leaves a path of uncleaned carpet about 3/4 off to the side. I use that as a guide on how much to overlap but some people find it annoying.
I have one for quick messes and love it. It’s the perfect pair to my C3 (thanks to performance reviews for the tip)
I believe both those models have the powered attachment point. It’s when it’s called the S194 is when you need to do your due diligence.
Worst case, as for a picture of the attachment point. It’s easy to see if it’s electrified or not.
Don’t overpay for a rainbow. You can get a Sebo d4 or Miele C3 for less than half. For allergies you want something corded **and bagged**.
Find a local Miele/Sebo dealer and give those a try. Which exact model depends on your flooring.
I’d avoid any bagless stick vacuum. A canister style is very light in the hand because the motor glides along behind you on the floor.
Sebo K3, E3 or Miele C3 would be the best choices. Your local dealer probably has them on sale. If you don’t have a dealer there are deals to be had online and many users here own stores and will ship
It’s not a waste at all. It’s arguably the best vacuum on the market.
I use my Miele C3 canister 2-3 times a week. It’s less convenient than a stick, sure. But you can always grab a cheap stick for daily quick messes and use the D1 for weekly deep cleans.
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As mentioned Miele and Sebo are top brands. You can safely ignore any shark or Dyson recs. They’re garbage. As is anything bagless.
Vacuum wars is a paid shark shill and not to be trusted. Hell Chris even appeared in a shark commercial.
BIFL vacuums absolutely exist. They’re corded and bagged made by brands like Miele and Sebo.
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