SEBO - DART

Not sure how to update the post, but ended up going with the Sebo Dart for $396! Thanks everybody.

I agree that there are some brands that are wickedly expensive and not worth the price of entry. I do think that the Miele C1 for $279 is the steal of the century and it has a 5yr warranty (I think). Buying a SEBO Dart for $500 might seem like a lot, but with a 10 year warranty (which is the minimum I think a vacuum would last from this company) means that you’ve only paid $50/yr for the vacuum. However, if you just cannot fathom or are unable to think about such a purchase right now or in the immediate future Sanitaire is a great brand with semi- and fully-commercial offerings.

Sebo dart, without a doubt!

A few reasons: 1) Dyson is bagless. Bagless vacuums don’t have the suction, filtration or lifespan of a bagged vacuum. Plus they require constant cleaning and messing with filters etc. A bagged vacuum performs much better and only requires a bag change every ~3 months or so and filter changes annually. That’s it. 2) Take a look at r/dyson the company as a whole is currently in a nosedive. Customers are literally being extorted, lied to and ripped off. Customer service is non-existent 3) Dyson was never really that great. Maybe back with their first uprights they were decent. But they’ve always made lackluster, brittle machines (take a look around this sub, they don’t get much love) For your budget and flooring: Kenmore 600 series pop and go or Kenmore Elite if you prefer an upright. If you can stretch slightly a Sebo dart is an excellent BIFL-level option.

Sharks and Dysons are for houses that hate money and love throwing it away. I’d avoid cordless (at least for your primary vacuum). Depending on your definition of mid-level is, check out a Sebo dart. It will last 20+ years. IMO it’s worth the price of admission. Cordless sticks (LG A9 etc.) serve a purpose for quick daily messes. But for whole house weekly deep cleaning you’ll want corded/bagged like the above Sebo.

Definitely exchange that for a visa gift car if you can. BBY has a terrible selection sadly. Then check out a Sebo dart or Felix. They’re lightyears better than your old Shark and anything best buy sells.

No, not any more at least. And they’re designed to be obsolete within a few years and purposely don’t sell parts. IMO avoid at all costs. A carpet vacuum like a Sebo dart runs about $550 and will last you a couple of decades.

Look to corded and bagged. They’re the gold standard. If you prefer an upright a Sebo dart or Felix is excellent. So is a Sebo K3 or E3 or Miele C1 cat and dog. All of these are at the top end of your budget and beyond. But if you want something that will last years and years (decade or two) these are well worth the price. IMO your best bet is to find a local Miele/Sebo dealer and take the above for a test drive before you buy.

None. That Miele is great but only for hard flooring. The shark and Dyson are junk. If you can stretch to ~$400 a Sebo dart is excellent and on sale until Tuesday I believe at your local Sebo dealer. If not, Kenmore 600 series pop and go

Holy moly. Thats an amazing price on the dart!

By design bagged vacuums last longer and filter better. A bunch of screens and filters on bagless vacuums get clogged, kill airflow and cause the motor to stress and prematurely die. Also bagged vacuums lose very little suction over the life of the bag (3 months or so). You won’t go through nearly as many bags as you’d think. And ordering bags isn’t too bad of a hassle if a) you leave a post it on your last bag as a reminder to order more b) you have a local store c) set up reoccurring purchases to be auto-delivered. If you’re looking for longevity bagged is absolutely the way to go. Since an upright is preferred - A Sebo dart is ~$550 or so and will last you roughly 20 years with proper maintenance. The side carry handle is nice for going up stairs with and has a hose with dusting attachments as well. If you have a local Sebo dealer stop in and take it for a test drive!

Yes absolutely corded and bagged is the way to go. Sebo dart is a great option especially if being too rough is a concern as it has an optional “soft” brushroll you can swap out easily.

Check out Sebo. Their uprights are excellent.

Definitely don’t buy a $75 cordless vacuum. It will be in the trash before the New Year then you’ll be looking to replace it, wasting even more money. If you can stretch slightly (a bit). Keep an eye out for Black Friday sales for a Hoover Complete performance or Kenmore intuition. Agreed with Performance reviews - used is a great option for that budget. A used Miele, Sebo, Oreck or Sanitare

Sebo dart is on budget - it’s on sale (today is the last day) at your local Sebo dealer. If the carpeting is still bogging down the dart (unlikely) they make a green “soft” brushroll for that purpose as well. Try it with the regular one first though.

If you can stretch slightly - a Sebo dart. If not, Kenmore elite upright. You’ll be shocked how much debris can fit into a bag. (Keep in mind your first bag will fill up more quickly than subsequent bags) expect to get ~3 months out of a bag.

The Sebo Dart is a great vacuum, that said, I find it’s easier to do stairs with a canister. The Kenmore 700/800 series are a great canister that should last a good amount of time.

I bought a Dart based on the recommendations in this group and absolutely love it. We have 3 indoor cats and a husky and it is amazing at getting up pet hair. 10/10 recommend!

Agree with everyone saying SEBO, biggest reasons being top quality, easy to clean, and very strong. The best tool for pet hair, especially on floors is the premium parquet tool which is included with the Felix (~$700). The dart is the simpler version ~$500 and you can buy the tool separately. All of their products come with a 10 year warranty if you buy in store

I just got Sebo Dart for my low pile wall to wall carpet and I’m happy with it. It’s a bit heavy if you try to lift it with one hand, so I just roll it around instead and lift with two hands if I have to. If my budget was higher, I would’ve gone for Sebo Felix, which is the premium version of Dart, it swivels and has suction adjustment. After the first pass I had a full brush roll of hair. Removed the brush roll, took the hair off, popped it back in, everything was seamless.

I have that Shark Stratos. I bought it before I knew better. It's okay but if I were you I would go with the Kenmore 600 or Sebo Dart. Bagless vacuums are NOT as good as bagged ones.

If you prefer an upright, I think you would be happier with the Dart. Plus you can get an AWESOME deal on it right now and it has an incredible warranty. You may never need to buy another vacuum. Personally, I prefer canisters so I would probably get the Kenmore 600. One day I want to get the Sebo E3.

The Hepa exhaust filter is a Hepa filter placed after the motor. It’s the final filtration and it also catches carbon dust from the motor. Rarely a few vacuums have the Hepa filter before the motor and some only have a basic filter after the motor. All 3 I listed have a good exhaust filter/post motor filter. The Kenmore Elite is a good budget choice. There’s the Riccar R25S that’s a decent choice but they start at $499 and at that price the Sebo Dart $550 is a much better vacuum.

All Sebos have S-Class filters which are really good and nearly Hepa. The Sebo Dart and Felix do not have Hepa filters. There are a few Sebo models, such as the K3 and X7, that have optional Hepa filters.

I wouldn't get anything without a powerhead for your carpets and idealy you want a bagged vacuum. If you can up your budget to $400 then you can take advantage of the current Sebo Dart sale The Sebo Dart is currently $440. [Use code CYBER for 10% off brings it to $396](https://www.qualitysewing.com/products/sebo-dart-upright-vacuum)

Lowest I’ve ever seen it

It’s height adjustable so all piles of carpet will be fine. If you have very high pile like shag carpet I would opt for a carpet rake attachment instead of a powerhead

HUGE fan of our Sebo Dart.

If you're cleaning a lot of hardwood floors, I would not do Sebo uprights as they don't have a brushroll shutoff Electric brooms like the Sebo Felix/Dart, Lindhaus Valzer, Healthcare Pro can fit both the hard floor tools and motorized brushrolls from Sebo/Lindhaus Uprights like the Lindhaus Diamante have 2 motors and the brushroll can be turned off for hard floors. Not ideal if hardfloors are your main surface For canisters, Sebo D9 (the commercial version of the D4) and Lindhaus HF6 would be good options for doing it all. They have the electric brushrolls, huge bag capacity, commercial warranties, and long cords

If you're cleaning a lot of hardwood floors, I would not do Sebo uprights as they don't have a brushroll shutoff Electric brooms like the Sebo Felix/Dart, Lindhaus Valzer, Healthcare Pro can fit both the hard floor tools and motorized brushrolls from Sebo/Lindhaus Uprights like the Lindhaus Diamante have 2 motors and the brushroll can be turned off for hard floors. Not ideal if hardfloors are your main surface For canisters, Sebo D9 (the commercial version of the D4) and Lindhaus HF6 would be good options for doing it all. They have the electric brushrolls, huge bag capacity, commercial warranties, and long cords

Sebo are expensive, but they are incredible. If you can afford it, I recommend. Miele are also great. The place I purchased from had both on display. I preferred the Sebo for the ease of removing the brush roller. This makes it really easy to remove the hair that gets wrapped around it.

V11 and later versions of their cordless perform ok for thick carpets. You have to open the front gates to relieve pressure. If you have a lot of carpet, you have to learn to stop cleaning your entire home in one go. If you really want a Dyson, I would personally only get the Ball Animal 3 for your thick carpets. It also works really well for hard floors. You should watch Vacuum War's review on it to see if it fits your needs. DO NOT get any other version of Dyson uprights, they are horrible and only work on very specific types of carpets. Otherwise, a Sebo upright is my next recommendation if you don't mind bagged.

SEBO for upright. Miele for canister. Miele has slightly better filtration than SEBO but I personally prefer SEBO canisters and uprights due to better warranty and cost of ownership

There are a handful of vacuums that can clean the Mohawk SmartStrand Silk “soft carpet.” 1. Kirby (with the optional delicate brush roll I presume) 2. Miele C3 with the SEB228; used to be a SoftCarpet model but it wasn’t much different from the other C3s. 3. Sebo vacs with the ET-1 nozzle (adjustable suction, manual carpet height adjustment) with the delicate brush roll 4. Kenmore Elite canister 5. Rainbow SRX with v1.0 and v1.2 power nozzle + soft brush roll 6. SoniClean - I think those are the vacs that have a vibrating pad instead of a revolving brush roll There are more, but these are a few of them. Adjustable carpet height paired with adjustable suction are must have features for those types of carpet, but I like them for any type of carpet.

I could have sworn it was LT-1. It’s ET-1. I was referring to the electric power nozzle used on their canisters, and the Dart/Felix uprights. It’s also available for central vacs.

Sebo powerhead. So incredibly easy to clean. I also had great luck with the Shark duoclean powerfin system but the actual vacuum was a dumpster file. Didn’t last a year. I also learned I prefer bagged vacuums to help trap and contain the allergies, dust, hair. My Sebo canister has four levels of filtering on it. My Dyson smells like it has none.

Try the Sebos with the ET-1 head. The roller comes out super easily and is direct drive. My dog doesn’t she’d, but my wife and daughters do!

The comment regarding the handle creaky sounds and audible air leak... I have found the audible air leak in multiple Miele canisters (over the years) AND Sebo. I don't think this is a change from previous models I've used. It just seems to be a reality that they don't see as a significant concern (ie. likely to not affect performance in a meaningful way, but preventing it would probably require fittings that would likely add cost, decrease dependability, and in the very least, wear down with not much use to the point that they ultimately start leaking). I really don't think it likely makes a noteworthy difference and they know the benefit:cost situation. As for the creaky handle -with even slight "give" in it, I have definitely noted it, but again, I believe it is one of those, "it doesn't actually affect anything in a meaningful way, but it does allow for the fit and connections as intended" situations. I could be wrong, but if it were an issue, I think warranty costs alone would discourage them from continuing with the practice. BUT, again, there is no doubt, that it is a very real thing. I haven't had an issue with the swivel of the ET-1 but prefer how light and maneuverable it feels to me. The low profile is also much better than \*most\* of the high end power heads I've used. Thank you for the review and thoughts. It is nice to hear about experiences!

none, save your money and get a vacuum that isn't overpriced and unreliable like every shark is, for $400 you can get a really decent spec miele or sebo, both of which are fantastic for carpets

My Sebo was around that, but should last long enough to be less money than buying multiple vacuums.

Very interesting, I thought Dyson was the most hated on Reddit. I spent months to read comments and ended up with Sebo. Used Dyson before and it was mid.

SEBO any model.

The Miele, Henry, and Sebo vacs are the only ones worth a damn on this list. If you want a real BIFL vac and are willing to shell out, get a Lindhaus.

I have to agree with this. Returned my V15 because the fluffy brush was not gentle on my less than 2 year old solid hickory wood floors. Bought a Sebo which is gentle on my wood floors as it comes with a nice parquet floor brush.

I spend 1200 on a sebo and don't regret it one bit

I’m not a Miele fan either. It’s waaay to echo-chambered around here. I much prefer Sebo.

When we bought our Karastan carpet, there was a vacuum recommendation on the website. We already had a Sebo, and weren't about to purchase something else. We also don't have high pile. I previously saw they recommended Soniclean, but for all I know, it could have been a tie-in for financial reasons more than they really thought it was better than anything else.

SEBO. Love mine, my sister has had hers for 15+ years.

price of replacement parts is a huge reason i recommend sebo vacuums. every time i have to look up a part for a miele vacuum i already know it’s going to cost 3x-4x what it should.

Don't go by the pricing on the Sebo website. The only reason I ended up getting one is because the pricing was much less from a local dealer.

Sebo, Henry, Miele, Lindhaus all make BIFL level machines. They're expensive, but 20+ years of service is common with these brands. Sebo machines even come with a 10 year warranty when you get them from a dealer. Can't go wrong with anything from these brands. Go to a brick and mortar vacuum store and avoid big box store brands like Shark and Dyson.

I have had my Sebo for 20+ years and still going strong. Take it in every few years for a tune up!

Get a Sebo. Literally any Sebo.

Sebo. It’s the new Electrolux. I went from electrolux (40 years of service, inherited from my mom) which was amazing, to a Miele (20 years of service, inherited from step mom) to a Dyson Animal. The Dyson lasted 12 years before I got sick of it. I bought a Sebo! I’m 58 and I won’t need another vacuum before I die.

I have a Sebo and really like it, but just generally would recommend a bagged vacuum over a bagless upright. They seem convenient, but after years of using a dyson, it's so NICE to throw the bag of stinky (I have a golden retriever XD) dog hair into the trash and not have it funking up the whole vacuum, forever. Completely pulling apart and having it professionally serviced never got all the doggy smell out of the dyson. Newer dysons are also absolute junk compared to a dyson from 10-15 years ago.

I cannot overstate how much I love my Sebo. Does great on tile, wood, and carpet. Lightweight, effective, and put my Dyson Animal to shame. Does fantastic with dog hair.

I'm a professional cleaner. Shark 100%. Dyson and Sebo do similar but they're more expensive. Sebo has a HEPA filter in it.

I have a Sebo. They're made in germany and definitely a buy it for life item. Mine has a 10 year warranty and can be services at your local vacuum store. I use mine basically every day.

Sebo are bullet proof, great for pethair

I have a Kirby and a sebo both are bullet proof but I love my sebo if a vacuum can be considered refined it a sebo

I just asked about how often I’d be buying bags for a sebo with two high shedding large dogs, (similar probably too a gsd and 3 (if long hair cats) I would probably be replacing the bag every week. (Actually more than that because I didn’t tell people I also have 3 cats haha) Someone with a husky commented that they replace the bag 1.5-2 times a month. Calculating that cost for two dogs is another 210 a year in bags (probably more for me) I am taking that into account with  replacing a vacuum that died (Dyson) but it doesn’t have a bag or a Sebo that has a 10 year warranty but I will have probably bought 2-3 dysons in that time period with the amount I’d be spending on bags. I haven’t decided yet 🙃 but thought I’d share the numbers.

A Sebo could survive longer. I've seen Sebos go through tons of shit and still perform like new. Not to trash on Miele, Miele's are great vacuums, and I would recommend them. But a Sebo is blowing the Miele out of the water with durability in a commercial setting.

Look, I love Kenmore, but they are expensive to repair and they no longer make my roller brush. The 2 brushes I did buy were $200. I could’ve bought a Sebo for the price of the vacuum and two roller brushes. Sebo vacuums are cheaper to repair and just better all around.

Do you have a dealer nearby? go try them, Sebo for the win in my book, I had so many issues with Miele during covid and for few years after, parting out hoses and wands to other companies

Sebo and Miele are BIFL. Dyson is not BIFL. If you buy a Sebo, the manual comes with an exploded parts diagram where you can buy each and every part. Dyson does not have this because when something breaks, they want you to buy a new vacuum. Same goes for Shark, Bissell and other bagless garbage that people keep recommending.

My Sebo has been going without problems for 20 years now