SEBO - DART

Love our Sebo Dart. I have always had Dyson and it out performs them by far.

Not sure how to update the post, but ended up going with the Sebo Dart for $396! Thanks everybody.

I agree that there are some brands that are wickedly expensive and not worth the price of entry. I do think that the Miele C1 for $279 is the steal of the century and it has a 5yr warranty (I think). Buying a SEBO Dart for $500 might seem like a lot, but with a 10 year warranty (which is the minimum I think a vacuum would last from this company) means that you’ve only paid $50/yr for the vacuum. However, if you just cannot fathom or are unable to think about such a purchase right now or in the immediate future Sanitaire is a great brand with semi- and fully-commercial offerings.

I’ll tell you which vacuum to *look* for your flooring and budget - Kenmore Elite. If you can stretch slightly a Sebo dart is a fantastic BIFL upgrade.

What’s % of your flooring is carpet vs hard floor? Sebo dart comes to mind. It’s a bit over budget, but you won’t need to worry about quality and longevity. It’s a fantastic vacuum.

Yep, Sebo dart 100%. It’s designed to last 20+ years. The ET1 powerhead is best in class too.

Insanely wasteful. Just get a Sebo or Miele and be done with the waste.

Sebo dart, without a doubt!

IMO even though you have low pile carpet. I’d still spend the money on an electric powerhead. (Sebo k3 with the additional “green” soft brushroll for the wool rug) Miele c1 cat and dog will work well too. But will probably be too rough on the wool rug. I understand those are both well above your budget. But imo for what you’re looking for, that’s the price of admission. Both the Sebo and Miele have great filtration (edge to the Miele especially if you get the additional HEPA exhaust filter) If you prefer an upright, Sebo dart or Felix.

A few reasons: 1) Dyson is bagless. Bagless vacuums don’t have the suction, filtration or lifespan of a bagged vacuum. Plus they require constant cleaning and messing with filters etc. A bagged vacuum performs much better and only requires a bag change every ~3 months or so and filter changes annually. That’s it. 2) Take a look at r/dyson the company as a whole is currently in a nosedive. Customers are literally being extorted, lied to and ripped off. Customer service is non-existent 3) Dyson was never really that great. Maybe back with their first uprights they were decent. But they’ve always made lackluster, brittle machines (take a look around this sub, they don’t get much love) For your budget and flooring: Kenmore 600 series pop and go or Kenmore Elite if you prefer an upright. If you can stretch slightly a Sebo dart is an excellent BIFL-level option.

Sharks and Dysons are for houses that hate money and love throwing it away. I’d avoid cordless (at least for your primary vacuum). Depending on your definition of mid-level is, check out a Sebo dart. It will last 20+ years. IMO it’s worth the price of admission. Cordless sticks (LG A9 etc.) serve a purpose for quick daily messes. But for whole house weekly deep cleaning you’ll want corded/bagged like the above Sebo.

Definitely exchange that for a visa gift car if you can. BBY has a terrible selection sadly. Then check out a Sebo dart or Felix. They’re lightyears better than your old Shark and anything best buy sells.

No, not any more at least. And they’re designed to be obsolete within a few years and purposely don’t sell parts. IMO avoid at all costs. A carpet vacuum like a Sebo dart runs about $550 and will last you a couple of decades.

Look to corded and bagged. They’re the gold standard. If you prefer an upright a Sebo dart or Felix is excellent. So is a Sebo K3 or E3 or Miele C1 cat and dog. All of these are at the top end of your budget and beyond. But if you want something that will last years and years (decade or two) these are well worth the price. IMO your best bet is to find a local Miele/Sebo dealer and take the above for a test drive before you buy.

None. That Miele is great but only for hard flooring. The shark and Dyson are junk. If you can stretch to ~$400 a Sebo dart is excellent and on sale until Tuesday I believe at your local Sebo dealer. If not, Kenmore 600 series pop and go

Holy moly. Thats an amazing price on the dart!

A great “do it all” BIFL vacuum is a Sebo dart it’s ~$500

By design bagged vacuums last longer and filter better. A bunch of screens and filters on bagless vacuums get clogged, kill airflow and cause the motor to stress and prematurely die. Also bagged vacuums lose very little suction over the life of the bag (3 months or so). You won’t go through nearly as many bags as you’d think. And ordering bags isn’t too bad of a hassle if a) you leave a post it on your last bag as a reminder to order more b) you have a local store c) set up reoccurring purchases to be auto-delivered. If you’re looking for longevity bagged is absolutely the way to go. Since an upright is preferred - A Sebo dart is ~$550 or so and will last you roughly 20 years with proper maintenance. The side carry handle is nice for going up stairs with and has a hose with dusting attachments as well. If you have a local Sebo dealer stop in and take it for a test drive!

Yes absolutely corded and bagged is the way to go. Sebo dart is a great option especially if being too rough is a concern as it has an optional “soft” brushroll you can swap out easily.

Check out Sebo. Their uprights are excellent.

Definitely don’t buy a $75 cordless vacuum. It will be in the trash before the New Year then you’ll be looking to replace it, wasting even more money. If you can stretch slightly (a bit). Keep an eye out for Black Friday sales for a Hoover Complete performance or Kenmore intuition. Agreed with Performance reviews - used is a great option for that budget. A used Miele, Sebo, Oreck or Sanitare

Sebo dart is on budget - it’s on sale (today is the last day) at your local Sebo dealer. If the carpeting is still bogging down the dart (unlikely) they make a green “soft” brushroll for that purpose as well. Try it with the regular one first though.

If you can stretch slightly - a Sebo dart. If not, Kenmore elite upright. You’ll be shocked how much debris can fit into a bag. (Keep in mind your first bag will fill up more quickly than subsequent bags) expect to get ~3 months out of a bag.

The Sebo Dart is a great vacuum, that said, I find it’s easier to do stairs with a canister. The Kenmore 700/800 series are a great canister that should last a good amount of time.

What’s your carpeting? A Sebo Dart may be the answer.

Then a Sebo Dart!

It’s incredibly durable, a great deep cleaner, cheap consumables, bags last ages, filters well, it’s quiet; there’s really nothing to dislike about it.

Easily a Sebo Dart.

I bought a Dart based on the recommendations in this group and absolutely love it. We have 3 indoor cats and a husky and it is amazing at getting up pet hair. 10/10 recommend!

We went through the usual suspects, Dyson Animal, Shark, even a Miele C2. None of them worked well for our husky. We also have another wiry haired dog and two cats, one of which is long haired. We ended up with a Sebo Dart. It picks up hair from the rugs like no other vacuum we have tried. It’s amazing. The only bad thing is the wand which isn’t long enough and can pull the vacuum over.

The problems you are having that are making you not want to vacuum are all due to using a bagless vacuum. My guess is that you are using a Dyson? I never realized how disgusting and inconvenient bagless vacuums were until I switched to a high quality bagged machine. Cleaning filters, dustbins, and the vacuum itself is ridiculous. I was spending as much time cleaning the machine that was supposed to do the cleaning than I was cleaning my home. $550 will get you a Sebo Dart. It's an incredible carpet cleaning machine. It will actually remove all that embedded dirt and hair. If you get any sort of satisfaction from having things deep cleaned, it will make you WANT to vacuum. Every couple to three months you will open the dust bin, place a cap on a bag and throw the bag away. No dust clouds, no pulling clumps of filth out, no filter washing and no dust bin cleaning. The hair wrap problem is pretty tough to avoid, but the Dart's brush roll is very simple to remove and clean. It's even dishwasher safe. Sebo offers a 10 year warranty when purchased through a dealer and you can expect it to perform like new for 20+ years. I know I sound like a salesman, but I own the Dart's older sibling the Felix, and it is the best investment I have made in my homes cleanliness. I love vacuuming because my home is so clean after using it, it's just very satisfying. Edit: Forgot to mention that the filtration is superior as well, no more dust being sucked up and blown around.

Sebo, Henry, Miele, Lindhaus all make BIFL level machines. They're expensive, but 20+ years of service is common with these brands. Sebo machines even come with a 10 year warranty when you get them from a dealer. Can't go wrong with anything from these brands. Go to a brick and mortar vacuum store and avoid big box store brands like Shark and Dyson.

Agree with everyone saying SEBO, biggest reasons being top quality, easy to clean, and very strong. The best tool for pet hair, especially on floors is the premium parquet tool which is included with the Felix (~$700). The dart is the simpler version ~$500 and you can buy the tool separately. All of their products come with a 10 year warranty if you buy in store

I just got Sebo Dart for my low pile wall to wall carpet and I’m happy with it. It’s a bit heavy if you try to lift it with one hand, so I just roll it around instead and lift with two hands if I have to. If my budget was higher, I would’ve gone for Sebo Felix, which is the premium version of Dart, it swivels and has suction adjustment. After the first pass I had a full brush roll of hair. Removed the brush roll, took the hair off, popped it back in, everything was seamless.

I have that Shark Stratos. I bought it before I knew better. It's okay but if I were you I would go with the Kenmore 600 or Sebo Dart. Bagless vacuums are NOT as good as bagged ones.

If you prefer an upright, I think you would be happier with the Dart. Plus you can get an AWESOME deal on it right now and it has an incredible warranty. You may never need to buy another vacuum. Personally, I prefer canisters so I would probably get the Kenmore 600. One day I want to get the Sebo E3.

The Hepa exhaust filter is a Hepa filter placed after the motor. It’s the final filtration and it also catches carbon dust from the motor. Rarely a few vacuums have the Hepa filter before the motor and some only have a basic filter after the motor. All 3 I listed have a good exhaust filter/post motor filter. The Kenmore Elite is a good budget choice. There’s the Riccar R25S that’s a decent choice but they start at $499 and at that price the Sebo Dart $550 is a much better vacuum.

All Sebos have S-Class filters which are really good and nearly Hepa. The Sebo Dart and Felix do not have Hepa filters. There are a few Sebo models, such as the K3 and X7, that have optional Hepa filters.

I wouldn't get anything without a powerhead for your carpets and idealy you want a bagged vacuum. If you can up your budget to $400 then you can take advantage of the current Sebo Dart sale The Sebo Dart is currently $440. [Use code CYBER for 10% off brings it to $396](https://www.qualitysewing.com/products/sebo-dart-upright-vacuum)

Lowest I’ve ever seen it

It’s height adjustable so all piles of carpet will be fine. If you have very high pile like shag carpet I would opt for a carpet rake attachment instead of a powerhead

HUGE fan of our Sebo Dart.

I suggest this too and since you don’t like cleaning the brush roll (long haired here too) the dart just has an end cap come off so you can pull out the brush roll easily to clean and then just slide back in!

You will want a Miele c3 or sebo E3/D4 premium. Make sure if you get the Miele that it comes with an electric powerhead and the parquet twister XL. If you go for either of the SEBOs, get their parquet tool. If you must have an upright, get a sebo dart/felix (they are the same vacuum but the Felix is the “premium version”) and both of these have the convenience of a canister in the form of an upright. I can vouch for the sebo models mentioned as I own them and use them In my home- my Felix is coming up on 10yrs next month.

If you're cleaning a lot of hardwood floors, I would not do Sebo uprights as they don't have a brushroll shutoff Electric brooms like the Sebo Felix/Dart, Lindhaus Valzer, Healthcare Pro can fit both the hard floor tools and motorized brushrolls from Sebo/Lindhaus Uprights like the Lindhaus Diamante have 2 motors and the brushroll can be turned off for hard floors. Not ideal if hardfloors are your main surface For canisters, Sebo D9 (the commercial version of the D4) and Lindhaus HF6 would be good options for doing it all. They have the electric brushrolls, huge bag capacity, commercial warranties, and long cords

If you're cleaning a lot of hardwood floors, I would not do Sebo uprights as they don't have a brushroll shutoff Electric brooms like the Sebo Felix/Dart, Lindhaus Valzer, Healthcare Pro can fit both the hard floor tools and motorized brushrolls from Sebo/Lindhaus Uprights like the Lindhaus Diamante have 2 motors and the brushroll can be turned off for hard floors. Not ideal if hardfloors are your main surface For canisters, Sebo D9 (the commercial version of the D4) and Lindhaus HF6 would be good options for doing it all. They have the electric brushrolls, huge bag capacity, commercial warranties, and long cords

Sebo are expensive, but they are incredible. If you can afford it, I recommend. Miele are also great. The place I purchased from had both on display. I preferred the Sebo for the ease of removing the brush roller. This makes it really easy to remove the hair that gets wrapped around it.

V11 and later versions of their cordless perform ok for thick carpets. You have to open the front gates to relieve pressure. If you have a lot of carpet, you have to learn to stop cleaning your entire home in one go. If you really want a Dyson, I would personally only get the Ball Animal 3 for your thick carpets. It also works really well for hard floors. You should watch Vacuum War's review on it to see if it fits your needs. DO NOT get any other version of Dyson uprights, they are horrible and only work on very specific types of carpets. Otherwise, a Sebo upright is my next recommendation if you don't mind bagged.

Dyson is not BIFL. I have a Miele stick, and a sebo upright, and LOVE them both.

SEBO for upright. Miele for canister. Miele has slightly better filtration than SEBO but I personally prefer SEBO canisters and uprights due to better warranty and cost of ownership

Sebo is less expensive to own and will last longer than a Miele. Sebo durability is legendary. Sebo has vastly better parts support and customer service than Miele. Miele won't sell you parts directly. They force you to use a dealer who will charge you out the hooter and some won't even sell you parts.. They want you to leave the vacuum with them to fix, even simple things like replacing a worn out brush roll. Some Aerus and Riccar dealers do this too. Sebo will sell you any part you want and a real human answers the phone and will answer your questions. Sebo has a lot nicer attachments too. Miele attachments look they came off a budget Bissell. Sebo attachments are high quality.

If filtration is your primary concern the best filtered vacuum, not the most powerful or easiest to use, but best filtered is the Patriot from Schoettler Research and Engineering in Huntington Beach CA. They have this huge round HEPA filter on them that looks uglier than sin but there isn't a better filtered household vacuum made. They cost a lot unless you buy a used one off eBay ( what I would do ) are simple and last forever, but can be frustrating to use until you adapt to it. Old man Schoettler used to be the President of Interstate Engineering, the company that made Tristar vacuums. He went out on his own and starting making his own vacuum that is a lot like a classic old Tristar EX-20. Not the most powerful thing ever made but solid, dead reliable, well filtered and clumsy to empty sometimes until you get a groove going. They sell them with a Sebo ET-1 power nozzle which is what I would buy. They also offer a Wessel-Werk EBK360 but I think you find that one too aggressive for your rugs. The Sebo with the soft green bristle brush roll would be ideal.

While I'm certainly a fan of Kenmore vacuums for uprights I think I would look at Sebo, Lindhaus, Carpet Pro, CleanMax (those last two are both Tacony commerical vacuum brands) and Titan. Sebo has legendary durability, are easy to maintain and Sebo parts and supply prices are very reasonable. Sebo has superb customer service. With some shopping you can probably find a deal on an open box or display item that would meet your budget. Lindhaus is an Italian brand that dukes it out with Sebo for the high end commercial vacuum customer's business. They are only a quarter notch below Sebo for durability and their customer service is likewise superb. Both companies have a real live human in the US who answers the phone! Both clean carpets really well and both are built to survive many years of hard daily use by janitors and hospitality staff. Carpet Pro and CleanMax are heavy duty commercial uprights from Tacony Corp, but some of their models have all the bells and whistles that household cleaners have. What I like about them is they have steel sole plates and steel brush rolls with replaceable brush strips. These things are also built to survive hard daily use by custodians and hospitality staff. In household use they will last many years with minimal trouble. Titan is the house brand of a big vacuum parts wholesaler, Steel City Vacuums. Most of their uprights are made by Tacony and many are still made in the US. They have the same virtues as Carpet Pro and CleanMax but are aimed more at household users so they have more features.

There are a handful of vacuums that can clean the Mohawk SmartStrand Silk “soft carpet.” 1. Kirby (with the optional delicate brush roll I presume) 2. Miele C3 with the SEB228; used to be a SoftCarpet model but it wasn’t much different from the other C3s. 3. Sebo vacs with the ET-1 nozzle (adjustable suction, manual carpet height adjustment) with the delicate brush roll 4. Kenmore Elite canister 5. Rainbow SRX with v1.0 and v1.2 power nozzle + soft brush roll 6. SoniClean - I think those are the vacs that have a vibrating pad instead of a revolving brush roll There are more, but these are a few of them. Adjustable carpet height paired with adjustable suction are must have features for those types of carpet, but I like them for any type of carpet.

I could have sworn it was LT-1. It’s ET-1. I was referring to the electric power nozzle used on their canisters, and the Dart/Felix uprights. It’s also available for central vacs.

Sebo powerhead. So incredibly easy to clean. I also had great luck with the Shark duoclean powerfin system but the actual vacuum was a dumpster file. Didn’t last a year. I also learned I prefer bagged vacuums to help trap and contain the allergies, dust, hair. My Sebo canister has four levels of filtering on it. My Dyson smells like it has none.

Try the Sebos with the ET-1 head. The roller comes out super easily and is direct drive. My dog doesn’t she’d, but my wife and daughters do!

The comment regarding the handle creaky sounds and audible air leak... I have found the audible air leak in multiple Miele canisters (over the years) AND Sebo. I don't think this is a change from previous models I've used. It just seems to be a reality that they don't see as a significant concern (ie. likely to not affect performance in a meaningful way, but preventing it would probably require fittings that would likely add cost, decrease dependability, and in the very least, wear down with not much use to the point that they ultimately start leaking). I really don't think it likely makes a noteworthy difference and they know the benefit:cost situation. As for the creaky handle -with even slight "give" in it, I have definitely noted it, but again, I believe it is one of those, "it doesn't actually affect anything in a meaningful way, but it does allow for the fit and connections as intended" situations. I could be wrong, but if it were an issue, I think warranty costs alone would discourage them from continuing with the practice. BUT, again, there is no doubt, that it is a very real thing. I haven't had an issue with the swivel of the ET-1 but prefer how light and maneuverable it feels to me. The low profile is also much better than \*most\* of the high end power heads I've used. Thank you for the review and thoughts. It is nice to hear about experiences!

none, save your money and get a vacuum that isn't overpriced and unreliable like every shark is, for $400 you can get a really decent spec miele or sebo, both of which are fantastic for carpets

My Sebo was around that, but should last long enough to be less money than buying multiple vacuums.

Go to a mom and pop vacuum store and you’ll be surprised to find Dyson and Shark absent. But you’ll see plenty of Miele and Sebos amongst a few other names you’d never think of. The reason being is these vacuums are serviceable and repairable and more importantly bagged. Bagged vacuums tend to last longer in general.

Very interesting, I thought Dyson was the most hated on Reddit. I spent months to read comments and ended up with Sebo. Used Dyson before and it was mid.

I can't tell you how much I love Costco. But sorry, I love my Sebo. My GSD destroyed my Dyson after 8 years. Still a solid choice though.

SEBO any model.

Same here. My Dysons kept dying on me after 2-3 years even with good maintenance because of all the pet hair that would clog them up. Never going back to bagless, and never have to clean a filter again. Change a bag every 2-3 months, and I'm good to go. Sebo is an absolute god send if you have pets.

Sebo is the best choice

The Miele, Henry, and Sebo vacs are the only ones worth a damn on this list. If you want a real BIFL vac and are willing to shell out, get a Lindhaus.

I have to agree with this. Returned my V15 because the fluffy brush was not gentle on my less than 2 year old solid hickory wood floors. Bought a Sebo which is gentle on my wood floors as it comes with a nice parquet floor brush.

+1 Miele and Sebo vacuums are really really fantastic. They are on a different level of ability to vacuum. But they are not nearly as convenient, and unless you really really love vacuuming, a really good vacuum that is ridiculously convenient is going to be used a lot more than an even better vacuum that is less convenient. The Dyson stick vacuums are so convenient that you end up using it more, and you therefore end up with a cleaner place and more enjoyable living experience.

I spend 1200 on a sebo and don't regret it one bit

I’m not a Miele fan either. It’s waaay to echo-chambered around here. I much prefer Sebo.

When we bought our Karastan carpet, there was a vacuum recommendation on the website. We already had a Sebo, and weren't about to purchase something else. We also don't have high pile. I previously saw they recommended Soniclean, but for all I know, it could have been a tie-in for financial reasons more than they really thought it was better than anything else.

SEBO. Love mine, my sister has had hers for 15+ years.

price of replacement parts is a huge reason i recommend sebo vacuums. every time i have to look up a part for a miele vacuum i already know it’s going to cost 3x-4x what it should.

Don't go by the pricing on the Sebo website. The only reason I ended up getting one is because the pricing was much less from a local dealer.

I am getting a Sebo for my next vacuum. I like the look of the Miele and the light on the power head, but I think Sebo is a better value and still BIFL.

I have had my Sebo for 20+ years and still going strong. Take it in every few years for a tune up!

Get a Sebo. Literally any Sebo.

Sebo. It’s the new Electrolux. I went from electrolux (40 years of service, inherited from my mom) which was amazing, to a Miele (20 years of service, inherited from step mom) to a Dyson Animal. The Dyson lasted 12 years before I got sick of it. I bought a Sebo! I’m 58 and I won’t need another vacuum before I die.

I was going to get a miele but the reviews deterred me two years ago. Dug more and saw sebo is cheaper to repair/maintain with comparable performance so I got that instead. It was just at a local vacuum shop, not at costco so I wouldn't really be catching a steep sale like I would at costco. No regrets though. Also got a sebo to universal adapter for lots of random attachments off amazon (though you can do that with any brand). Very pleased.

I’ve been happy with our Sebo.

I have a Sebo and really like it, but just generally would recommend a bagged vacuum over a bagless upright. They seem convenient, but after years of using a dyson, it's so NICE to throw the bag of stinky (I have a golden retriever XD) dog hair into the trash and not have it funking up the whole vacuum, forever. Completely pulling apart and having it professionally serviced never got all the doggy smell out of the dyson. Newer dysons are also absolute junk compared to a dyson from 10-15 years ago.

I cannot overstate how much I love my Sebo. Does great on tile, wood, and carpet. Lightweight, effective, and put my Dyson Animal to shame. Does fantastic with dog hair.

I'm a professional cleaner. Shark 100%. Dyson and Sebo do similar but they're more expensive. Sebo has a HEPA filter in it.

I have a Sebo. They're made in germany and definitely a buy it for life item. Mine has a 10 year warranty and can be services at your local vacuum store. I use mine basically every day.

Sebo are bullet proof, great for pethair

I have a Kirby and a sebo both are bullet proof but I love my sebo if a vacuum can be considered refined it a sebo

I just asked about how often I’d be buying bags for a sebo with two high shedding large dogs, (similar probably too a gsd and 3 (if long hair cats) I would probably be replacing the bag every week. (Actually more than that because I didn’t tell people I also have 3 cats haha) Someone with a husky commented that they replace the bag 1.5-2 times a month. Calculating that cost for two dogs is another 210 a year in bags (probably more for me) I am taking that into account with  replacing a vacuum that died (Dyson) but it doesn’t have a bag or a Sebo that has a 10 year warranty but I will have probably bought 2-3 dysons in that time period with the amount I’d be spending on bags. I haven’t decided yet 🙃 but thought I’d share the numbers.

A Sebo could survive longer. I've seen Sebos go through tons of shit and still perform like new. Not to trash on Miele, Miele's are great vacuums, and I would recommend them. But a Sebo is blowing the Miele out of the water with durability in a commercial setting.

Look, I love Kenmore, but they are expensive to repair and they no longer make my roller brush. The 2 brushes I did buy were $200. I could’ve bought a Sebo for the price of the vacuum and two roller brushes. Sebo vacuums are cheaper to repair and just better all around.

We recently got a Sebo and I love it so so so much. Love the bagged vacuum. And the air smells so clean after.

Do you have a dealer nearby? go try them, Sebo for the win in my book, I had so many issues with Miele during covid and for few years after, parting out hoses and wands to other companies

Sebo. For starters, a 7-10 year warranty on motor and non-wear parts. No other vacuum company stands behind their product the way they so (not even Miele these days.) Shark has never been a BIFL brand (they ever don't sell replacement parts when something breaks-which something always does within a few years-except for hoses and filters.) Dyson spends tons of money marketing their machines but the quality has declined A LOT the past decade and their warranty/replacement policy is a headache (check the Dyson sub for all kinds of takes on that.) Any bagless machine is NOT going to be a BIFL machine. They're mostly machines sold with buzzwords and many smoke and mirrors.

Sebo and Miele are BIFL. Dyson is not BIFL. If you buy a Sebo, the manual comes with an exploded parts diagram where you can buy each and every part. Dyson does not have this because when something breaks, they want you to buy a new vacuum. Same goes for Shark, Bissell and other bagless garbage that people keep recommending.

My Sebo has been going without problems for 20 years now