Final - ZE3000

I would love to see any regular person tell the difference between aptx and ldac, I had those ze3000 they were great but I found the bass was a bit lacking due to the 6mm driver.. I upgraded to the noble Fokus pro, bass and clarity is alot better but not as reliable in the connection part unfortunately. Enjoy them my dude

I've your wanting to lay on them id definitely go with the originals they fit a lot closer to your ear. They don't protrude much at all. They still sound great and come with a ton of tips, so you should get a good seal for blocking noise. However, if you wanted to go with the SV that would be fine, I'm afraid though they are to much like other mainstream buds in design and do stick out a ways from your ear. Which may cause issues being able to lay directly on them. But if you only had one on in the opposite ear from how your laying. Or lay on your back or stomach you'd also be fine. Unfortunately I don't think the SV would work being laid directly on. They stick out like other buds, which is where the originals design would be better for that. I have actually laid down with my originals in my ear before and it doesn't interfere with anything. So still tough decisions. I'll add though, that I have had many very expensive and high end TWS buds from many different brands. And do not let the price on either of these pair fool you, they are by far the best sound wise buds I've ever owned. And that's even being better than the 350+$ noble audios I've owned.

Yo I got my pair back in December. Don't know how but a guy on eBay (in Japan) got his hands on them literally as they were announced. Took a week to ship to me in mainland US. Have had them for a few months now. I guess way before anyone else even knew about them. I pulled the trigger on them because I also have the first generation ze3000 and love them. With that said I'll say this. The only major difference for me at least is battery life. The battery life on the SV is significantly better. The the originals wasn't even bad. That said they sound very similar. The bass is a little more pronounced I'm assuming mostly due to the larger driver in the SV. Other than that it's nice having the app for EQ purposes and such. But I use them flat like out of the box they sound fine. However for me personally. I would elect to purchase the old versions and save a little money they can be found for a little cheaper now. That's just me though. I don't need or see the point of ANC. So that wasn't a selling point for me. The battery life is the only real leg up I see that the SV has. If your someone who wants to have the extra battery and ANC then the SV are great especially with the added EQ to customize the sound. The only other thing I'd say that's different is the shape and size of the buds, and case themselves. The SV are much more traditional pod shaped housing and the original are more abstract. With that though the SV does protrude out from your ear significantly more. Doesn't bother me but worth noting. The cases though the original was built much better with aluminum hinges design and I feel longevity wise will probably last a lot longer. The SV case is much smaller like insanely small which is a plus if you need the most pocketable case out there it's definitely that. That's just my .02 cents on it. Both great but both have bonuses and quirks. I don't regret buying the SV. Don't get me wrong there. But the sound is most important thing to me and they both sound very good, very similar. And with that, I would just buy whicher you can get cheaper. Because after sound they are both very different. So find the one that you prefer more.

I can't speak to the ceramics. But they are typical mainstream buds style buds similar to the new SV. Protrude more. So I would probably stay away if I was sleeping on them too. To me as odd and rough looking as the ze3000 look damn they do fit well, comfortable, and don't protrude much. Although they don't look to natural they do feel natural. I'd stick to them for the sleeping aspect. But the SV is a very good value. I mean features, app, sound. They are great. And if your budget allows it and you want to jump to a different style. I mean I'd pull the trigger on them. Especially no more than they cost vs the ceramic. However if your a little strapped the ceramics would probably be fine. For me though I'd try to stay with the original ze3000 purely based off sleeping. I mean they also sound great too.

I've your wanting to lay on them id definitely go with the originals they fit a lot closer to your ear. They don't protrude much at all. They still sound great and come with a ton of tips, so you should get a good seal for blocking noise. However, if you wanted to go with the SV that would be fine, I'm afraid though they are to much like other mainstream buds in design and do stick out a ways from your ear. Which may cause issues being able to lay directly on them. But if you only had one on in the opposite ear from how your laying. Or lay on your back or stomach you'd also be fine. Unfortunately I don't think the SV would work being laid directly on. They stick out like other buds, which is where the originals design would be better for that. I have actually laid down with my originals in my ear before and it doesn't interfere with anything. So still tough decisions. I'll add though, that I have had many very expensive and high end TWS buds from many different brands. And do not let the price on either of these pair fool you, they are by far the best sound wise buds I've ever owned. And that's even being better than the 350+$ noble audios I've owned.

Yo I got my pair back in December. Don't know how but a guy on eBay (in Japan) got his hands on them literally as they were announced. Took a week to ship to me in mainland US. Have had them for a few months now. I guess way before anyone else even knew about them. I pulled the trigger on them because I also have the first generation ze3000 and love them. With that said I'll say this. The only major difference for me at least is battery life. The battery life on the SV is significantly better. The the originals wasn't even bad. That said they sound very similar. The bass is a little more pronounced I'm assuming mostly due to the larger driver in the SV. Other than that it's nice having the app for EQ purposes and such. But I use them flat like out of the box they sound fine. However for me personally. I would elect to purchase the old versions and save a little money they can be found for a little cheaper now. That's just me though. I don't need or see the point of ANC. So that wasn't a selling point for me. The battery life is the only real leg up I see that the SV has. If your someone who wants to have the extra battery and ANC then the SV are great especially with the added EQ to customize the sound. The only other thing I'd say that's different is the shape and size of the buds, and case themselves. The SV are much more traditional pod shaped housing and the original are more abstract. With that though the SV does protrude out from your ear significantly more. Doesn't bother me but worth noting. The cases though the original was built much better with aluminum hinges design and I feel longevity wise will probably last a lot longer. The SV case is much smaller like insanely small which is a plus if you need the most pocketable case out there it's definitely that. That's just my .02 cents on it. Both great but both have bonuses and quirks. I don't regret buying the SV. Don't get me wrong there. But the sound is most important thing to me and they both sound very good, very similar. And with that, I would just buy whicher you can get cheaper. Because after sound they are both very different. So find the one that you prefer more.

Tbh with you if you like the ze3000 that's what I'd keep. I'm unsure of repair cost or anything. If they would repair them especially if it's free I'd do that. But they are pretty cheap now that the sv is out so the originals can be found for decent prices. The sv sticks way further out from your ear so they likely wouldn't be suited for sleeping on them. So if it were me I'd look into repair/replacement. Or buying a new pair.

I can't speak to the ceramics. But they are typical mainstream buds style buds similar to the new SV. Protrude more. So I would probably stay away if I was sleeping on them too. To me as odd and rough looking as the ze3000 look damn they do fit well, comfortable, and don't protrude much. Although they don't look to natural they do feel natural. I'd stick to them for the sleeping aspect. But the SV is a very good value. I mean features, app, sound. They are great. And if your budget allows it and you want to jump to a different style. I mean I'd pull the trigger on them. Especially no more than they cost vs the ceramic. However if your a little strapped the ceramics would probably be fine. For me though I'd try to stay with the original ze3000 purely based off sleeping. I mean they also sound great too.

If you want Bluetooth TWS buds then Final Audio ZE3000. They don't have LDAC but do have APTX and transmit in redbook (at Bluetooth of course so you'll lose a few bits etc) but they sound awesome and spacious and as good as any iems in that price range. Just watch some YouTube videos on them 

I did purchase these on a total impulse and I was able to get them through HiFi Headphones in the UK 👍👍 I was coming from a pair of Soundcore Space A40 which I have really liked and no complaints- it was just their battery life through use had tailed off for me. I'd never heard of Final but it was the right announcement at the right time and just went for it. My very first impression was that they sounded brighter than the A40, though from reading around that may just have been me adjusting from the A40s heavier-handed ANC. I can only offer limited comparisons to other earbuds, though I must say they sound great to me. Very open, clean and natural which is my subjective preference. App is a little sparse but I think everything you need is there. TLDR I'm happy with them so far!

I will say- my only mild downer was that the case on my A40 had a battery capacity of 800mah, and these are 400mah. So I'm assuming lower mileage and more often charging of the case as a result. No massive biggie for me but YMMV.

I tried them on a walk toggling 'Wind-cut' on and off. It seems to work as advertised and reduces the wind feedback well, but does introduce a quiet low frequency 'rumble' in the background with the mode switched on. Personally I will be using them outside with standard 'Noise Cancelling' mode. I took a call with them this morning too and it sounded great, no complaints at all. I recorded a test sample through Audacity on my PC and heard no popping / hissing of the like. On the ANC I think Final have been open about their intention to go as far as possible but with no impact on frequency response of the headphones. For that reason I would say it works perfectly adequately, but I wouldn't expect to be plunged into a wall of silence- you hear the odd thing or two, but tbh you could just turn the headphones up to compensate. Hope this helps.

I have been using the space travels as my running pair for over two years, lost one and bought another one recently (old space travel 1). I agree with you on ANC, tips, lid, shitty anime sound, volume control, cheap feeling and all of that. I don't get the sound quality and sound stage part. Before buying a second pair of ST, I got a well known tws, final ze3000. I just found them slightly thin for my liking, good build aside on sound I preferred the much cheaper ST. I have expensive wired iems for daily use, and also a bluetooth dac, but sometimes I see myself coming to ST for the stage and overall fun sound. I think you have gotten a bad pair, worth checking it. If not, you just don't like it, which I understand since I hate ie600 despite universal praise. In the end, what matters is whether you enjoy it or not, not others.

I’ve got a pair they’re definitely worth it, I’ve also had the original ze3000

I’m lucky a local audio store in my city stocks final regularly so I was able to buy them

I’ve got a pair they’re definitely worth it, I’ve also had the original ze3000

I know the newer version of these was just a reskin of an OEM manufacture in China but the original ze3000 right here which are engineered by final themselves are genuinely earbuds I take with me when I can’t use my iems. These to me are my “audiophile” but in a small to carry package, I make music & edit content so if I’m not in an area where I can easily take out my iems & dac, these earbuds take over. I use them in the gym or if I’m out for a run as well

Yeah the bass is lacking but idk to me I love it. When I first tried it at the store it’s like it was calling my name. It wowed me on first listen, then when I tried my sennheiser momentum’s I owned at the time, they sounded muddy & overly bassy in comparison. I tried other earbuds in the store but I just couldn’t stop thinking about the ze3000 so I bought them & have been happy ever since

I see makes sense, I personally use the final audio ze3000 Bluetooth earbuds for that reason. Not the sv version but the original ones that where engineered by final in Japan, the sound is really good, I’d argue better than some iems & as someone who makes music & edits content if I’m in an area where I can’t really use my iems, the ze3000 helps

I have it, so far so good.  Please note if you using multipoint you cannot using LDAC The default turning out of the box is good, and just a bit eq it now fit my taste. 

Sorry I don't hear rock and metal. But for base of ZE3000sv is so powerful but detail. I think it's fine... I now hearing some metal in youtube, but I don't know what is bad or good ;) USD300 is too much for a TWS because they will be replace with maybe every 3 years.

Since not much people have comment about ze3000sv, for me it's sound is like 1More evo with IE600 eq that most people appreciate.(+ not louder but powerful bass) Small, light can wear all day. easy turn on wind noise anc without using app.

I am mainly an iem user, I used to have some "better" tws earbuds while I was curious about if it's ever possible to reach the sound quality of iems. I knew it wasn't a realistic goal but using different tws earbuds was fun anyways and audio gear is my hobby. I bought and sold campfire orbit, devialet gemini 2, final ze2000 & ze3000, hifiman svanar wireless, noble fokus prestige and many others from sennheiser, Sony, creative, technics etc. I am still keeping final ze8000 mk2, bgvp q3 and fiio fw5. ZE3000 sounds nice for the price, size is good, buds are comfortable with good battery life but while acknowledging sound is subjective, I can't say they are the best. I would prefer hifiman svanar wireless Jr​ in the similar price range.

One of my original ze3000 earbud is damaged because i slept on them. The volume is cut by 50%. Would it be better to buy the new sv or send the bud for repair? Im not sure how much repairs would cost and if i have to pay for shipping. Im in Canada. Ive also heard the roselsea ceramic x sounds very very similar to the ze3000 sv, but much much cheaper.