Rocket Espresso Milano - Appartamento TCA

https://preview.redd.it/8oy4cdg5oo7g1.jpeg?width=2304&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5777d3dbf07d163cfcf95095e4b281c7c89f834 TCA owner here ...bought from Seattle coffee gear. had my TCA for about 14months now. my thoughts: \~20min heat up using a smart plug with daily morning auto-on. tbh, haven't heard it takes 40mins to heat up as others saying here personally, rocket machine aesthetics are real nice with cool side panel designs. One major pet peeve, tank water runs out without ample notification, there's no external water level indicator.... and you may end up refilling too late like me. machine only uses an internal refill sensor, too low position inside water tank and tends to stop extractions mid shot :( this happens to me like once a month, but you kinda have to keep count between tank refills manually. TCA feature kinda unnecessary, I never really change between the 4 temp preset profiles, I've set it and forget it after 1st month....cuz funky and inefficient workflow to change temps. steamer super strong, but turn dial from 0-100% can be quite hard to control milk froth. I'm still learning/experimenting and had to change from 2hole to 4hole tip for better results. Lastly, you might be fine buying non-TCA or Nero models, with lower cost. then invest more in a better premium grinder (which is more important long term imo).

I don't know about mozzafiato but i'm happy with my rocket appartamento tca, but honestly if you are not using steam wand, single boiler machine is much better and cheaper.

I have the Rocket Apartamento TCA for over a year and I'm very happy with it, take into account that is a E61 Heat Exchange machine so it takes around 40 min to heat up to be ready, I find also that a E61 thermometer is needed so you have good guidance on when is ready 👍 And you probably already know but a good grinder is even more important so make sure you have something like a DF54 at least.

that's interesting indeed, I purchased the Rocket Appartamento TCA (do you also have the TCA?) on March 2024, I didn't adjust the OPV (did you?) because when I checked with a barometer it was nice 9 bar

I wanted an upgrade from a Delonghi Dedica and I have limited space in the Kitchen my wife accept a better coffee machine in exchange of getting one aesthetically pleasant so that was the trade off :D

March 2024, and at least mine I can assure it takes 40min (specially in winter) to get the thermometer group to 92C

well, in my country the DF54 is 270€ and the Rocket 1500€, is still a huge difference but the DF54 was one with the smallest footprint (I have limited space in the kitchen) and capable enough to dial a great espresso (that I brew every morning), idk where you get the impression that is not a nice grinder

you can get a E61 thermometer (like the one from geisinger) and stop guessing :D

the fact that someone paired a rocket apartmento with a Encore ESP is what's tripping me here

This is a very generous gift! Before getting into it, respectfully are you absolutely positive the couple is interested in espresso to this degree? These are endgame machines that would suit someone who is already an enthusiastic hobbyist, but not great for someone who just wants a quick coffee and isn't really interested in making it a hobby in itself. The other main thing I'd note is the grinder is often considered just as if not more important than the machine itself, and their grinder is not going to be able to do justice to any of these machines. It would probably be better to split the budget and allocate more money towards a high-quality grinder and then a slightly less expensive machine. For example you could get a Lagom P80 and Breville Dual Boiler for ~$3200 combined. A scale for weighing input/output is important at this level too and can run $100 - $300 depending on how nice you go, so it might be worth accounting for that, or the recipients might end up needing to buy it themselves. Accessories (nice stirring tools, funnels, tampers etc) can add up slightly as well. Regarding water, *some* brands of bottled water may be suitable although I'm not sure which ones - it would be important to look up the mineral content to make sure they're not prone to causing scale. Distilled water is NOT safe for espresso machines, it can cause corrosion in the boilers and isn't good for taste anyways. It is possible to add minerals to distilled water to make a perfectly scale-free water with suitable taste (look up "Pavlis water") but again not sure if the couple is really interested to that degree. Of the machines you listed, the Appartamento is inferior to others and is not in the same tier. I don't have experience with the others but would note that a Lelit Bianca V3 is personally my upgrade wishlist machine for now. I have a Breville Dual Boiler today, which is an exceptional machine in pretty much every regard and why I noted it above, it's just not a 20-year lifespan machine in terms of build quality.

I had the exact same dilemma 3 months ago (single boiler or hx) and went for the heat exchanger (Rocket Appartamento in my case though) and couldn’t be more glad I did.

The steam wand is crazy powerful, I need to purge it for max a second and all the water is out

For $600 it’s unbeatable. Used one for years. Have a rocket apartamento with Rancilio grinder combo now and the setup is 6x the price and the coffee isn’t 6 times better. I still miss my dear friend “coffeebot” some days… nothing wrong with barista express you can get a better portafilter if you really want. But the stock machine and components make a damn good espresso if you know what you’re doing and have quality beans 👍

can't recommend the Rocket Appartamento enough, best of the marzocco without the cost

40 min?! Mine is ready in 20-25 min or so. Thermometer is not really needed, just touch the group head and if you burn yourself, it’s ready!

Latte drinker here. Have the Appartamento and Eureka Dolce Vita combo - it is absolutely perfect for making your daily Latte, and it is very aesthetically pleasing on the countertop. The warm-up time you just build into your morning routine, og get a smart plug. Brewing many back-to-back is feasible. I find that I can do 3-4 in a row, and then the machine needs to build heat and pressure again (this time not 20 min but maybe 4-5 min). I bought mine 3 years ago, and keep smiling every morning when I see it and start my routine. Regarding the comments to start with a Barista Express or similar - sure it can deliver a latte, but the experience is not at all the same. If feels very much consumer-grade and doesn’t give you the barista feeling. If you are anything like myself, and know up front that it will be something you enjoy long-term, you might as well buy something you like from the beginning - otherwise you find yourself upgrading your entry-level stuff in 8 months anyway. Would go for a Silvia or Gaggia Classic, with a decent grinder, any day over the Bambino, just because of the barista-feeling.

Rocket Appartmento for the win!