WHOOP - 4.0

honestly not sure why a lot of the reviews here are negative, the only thad thing i could say is the steps tracker but it’s also the beta version🤷🏽‍♂️and im not really worried about steps. I highly recommend whoop to everyone so welcome to the team💪🏽

My HONEST review of the 5 MG. So to start with, I'm not an athlete, I go to the gym every now and again, and try to stay fairly active. What I am... is a tech guy, a stats guy, someone who loves data. Last year, I discovered the Whoop 4 after seeing ads for it on social. I spent most of the year wearing one until I had some health problems in December. I had to have some tests, and one critical piece of information that would have been useful was a baseline ECG reading. I couldn't provide it, and it actually hindered my recovery. That was the day I stopped wearing a Whoop, and bought an Apple Watch. Fast forward to today. My MG arrived a few days ago and I'm now back to all the data I used to love with the addition of an ECG and BP. I'll start with the BP reading. We have a blood pressure machine at home so it was straight forward for me to calibrate the MG. Initial results suggest it's pretty accurate, but time will tell. I'll do comparisons over the next few months. Not onto the ECG. Look.. it's ok, it's not as good as Apple's. It's harder to use, seems to be fairly accurate but can give some odd results if not held very specifically. It does the job for me. Let's talk about the quality of the band and device. The device feels premium, the band and clasp feel cheap AF. Because, let's be real with ourselves, they ARE cheap. The material is cheap. The finish isn't particularly amazing. When third parties produce an MG band I'll be first to try them. The packaging felt cheap, it didn't feel expensive at all. I often keep my tech boxes, I won't be keeping this. As for everything else, the app, the functionality, well yeah it's what I loved before. Now... price. I pay monthly. I pay £39. Is it worth that? No, that's pretty ridiculous in my eyes. Am I willing to pay it? Yeah.. because no other device gives me the distraction free data I crave. Do I agree with all the moaning here and concerns? Yeah, you're all valid, Whoop took the piss and have moved the goalposts. But I'm a sucker for tech, and most of you are too, so even though I disagree with their practices we're all going to fall in line and consume. Let's be honest. Short version: It's a good device, new features are decent, it's overpriced but unique to the market.

I remember buying my whoop 4 and watching all the reviews beforehand. Every video told me that the new model will be free of charge. Decided to buy the whoop, knowing the whoop 5 will come out shorty. I’m cancelling for sure

I just got a Garmin a few days ago. And I use it mainly for runs. Need to track pace, cadence etc. I only wear it when I run. I know I probably went overboard with that purchase, but for sleep/recovery etc I use the Whoop. Best combo ever.

That is the rechargeable battery pack, typically attached when it is off wrist to recharge for a couple hours. The Whoop itself is integrated with the band/strap and very slim. https://preview.redd.it/p5k2ovy62iff1.png?width=2196&format=png&auto=webp&s=7be112a670ae0907ce0aa102cdb1299f822637d9

I believe this is the 4.0

I wear a Whoop band day to day and put on my good ol fenix 5x with a hr band when I’m out running

I got my MG yesterday and don't have any issues with the band and clasp. It locks into place just fine and rotates smoothly when removing the whoop. I guess they had some QA issues for the initial batch. I went for a treadmill run yesterday and used my Polar H10 to compare HR tracking to the MG. It was pretty much in line with the H10 and while I did get some cadence lock at one point it corrected itself in like 10 seconds, which is better than what I was experiencing with the 4.0. It was only one run though so doesn't prove much...

Having had my MG for a couple of days and run, cycled and lifted weights with it, I can say confidently that it's ability to measure HR on the wrist during activity is just as bad as the 4.0 was. The 4.0 was excellent with a bicep band and I am desperately awaiting my bicep band for the MG. I do think forcing everyone to buy new bands was cynical by Whoop. It would have been incredibly simple to making it compatible with existing bands. Apple have with their watch for 10 iterations.

I was one of the people who, angry about the way Whoop handled the 5.0/MG launch, rage-quit and switched to an apple watch. Even after the "upgrade fee" issue was resolved for users like me who had a long subscription remaining, I was still mad that upgrading would mean I would lose all the bands I had purchased over the years, in exchange for what seemed to me to be just slightly longer battery life. The whole rollout put a bad taste in my mouth, and I decided to throw my whoop in the drawer and instead just use my apple watch. So I went all-in on an apple watch with bevel. And the apple watch is great! I love it. It's fantastic for outdoor activities - runs, biking, etc - and I love being able to go places without my cell phone and still be reachable. Not to mention, because I use(d) natural cycles, I sleep with my apple watch anyway. I used my apple watch heavily all summer, and figured that bevel was pretty close to the same as whoop for strain and recovery insights, so I really wasn't missing much of anything. Well, after a few months my anger died down and I decided that hey, I've pre-paid for my whoop subscription until fall 2026 anyway, I may as well put it back on and make the most of it. So I did. ........You guys. It's gotten better. The UI has improved, the whoop AI coach is significantly improved and the hormonal insights are \*massively\* improved, to the point where I feel like whoop is potentially the best women's health tracker on the market for fitness-focused people (oura has really leaned into women's health, but I think we can all agree that oura can't hold a candle to whoop for fitness). Comparing bevel to whoop, I mean..... look. Bevel is pretty good. As far as apple watch apps go I think it's the best whoop competitor. But it's just not the same at all. Lol. It's not even bevel's fault - the reality is that your apple watch, taking measurements intermittently when not specifically in a workout, is never going to be able to compare with the 24/7 data from the whoop. No matter how good the algorithm is, you're still making connections between dots that are farther apart. And before people comment that "the whoop HR data is unreliable!!", I can tell you that when I work out with my AWU and my whoop on a bicep band, the HR data is within a hair of each other. So, I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong. The apple watch is a fitness \*tracker\* (and phone extension), the whoop is a dedicated fitness & health \*coach\*. That's the difference. Whoop really does provide something special. I'll be here for the foreseeable future, with my 4.0, and my nicer wristband and my bicep band that fit with it. When my subscription is up, maybe I'll upgrade to the 5.0 and buy \*all new bands\* (still raging about this). Or maybe I won't. Either way though, I am satisfied with the value I'm getting from whoop, and no, I don't think the apple watch is the same. Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

The ROI on a Whoop wasn’t worth it to me. When I could pay a higher up front price for a Fenix that would last years. My watch gives me the same info plus tells me the time plus all of the other things. Also, charging it every few weeks > every other day.

Whoop 4 didn’t mind my tattoo. Whoop 5 hates my tattoo Literally my only real issue right now. So I’m wearing whoop and a watch on one arm like some kind of psychopath.

My 4.0 HR is sketchy since the app update. It may not be a hardware issue.

I was upset when it was 3.0 to 4.0. I've been a loyal follower since the beginning. But this really is a slap in the face to people who have paid the subscription prices and also bought all the accessories each time they put out a new f****** b******* upgrade with substandard hardware. Had had to rebuy everything (3 to 4). Frankly, I don't care what they've done. I'm tired of this. What's next? 2 years it's 6? Buy everything again. Get chipped on the f****** prices we've paid. No thank you. Cut your losses. Go to Garmin, go to an apple, go to anything but whoop.

I use the 4.0 and a Garmin Epix Pro. The 4.0 HR during exercise is trash. Since they didn’t fix the sensor, I will not be upgrading.

I am from India, used whoop for a year when the 4.0 launched. Post that I have used a Garmin, a coros, a pixel watch, a chest strap and an apple watch as well. Now I am back on whoop. It depends on one's goals actually. The apple watch is good at general tracking. The whole rings system is a good daily motivator and social aspect pushes one to achieve daily/weekly/monthly goals. The strength training part was usually an overestimate, so not much of a use unless a third party app is used. Sleep tracking was a bit hard for me cause of the comfort as well as battery/charging issues. Coros and Garmin were good for running and cardio tracking. The battery life was so good. The sleep and recovery part felt really bad on both. I used it mainly to maintain zone 2 heart beat during my cardio sessions. I returned to whoop because it was the one that actually helped me improve my sleep, my daily intensity and habits. Also the trends and data felt more usable than every other wearable. Its the best if you like optimising things based on data. With whoop 5.0/MG the battery is finally really good, the comfort for sleeping is the still the best. Yes, the tracking is sometimes off during upper body workout days, for which I used a bicep band when I was on 4.0. But, I currently only have the wrist version for the MG, so yeah it sucks sometimes but I guess I am fine. The pace of aging, whoop age, bp etc feel like a gimmick and mostly derived from the trends and data already available previously. I think 5.0 peak is good enough. I wish I could downgrade to peak, but they are not letting me do that. The only upgrade of 5.0/MG over the 4.0 is the battery life imo. Still I find whoop to be the best for my current needs. Its really good with sleep tracking and recovery estimates. Also, the RHR and Vo2max trends help me set goals. Plus it lets me wear my wrist watches.

I woud go for Life sub if it weren’t a full year upfront, I am particularly interested in ECG and arrhythmia detection, but no way I’m throwing 400€ upfront for a device I don’t own. I would even pay 35-40€ a month for it, but having to unload 400€ upfront just feels bad. I will stick to WHOOP 4 and my Withings Core.

I have a Whoop (obviously), Oura Ring 3 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 (+ Bevel App) in daily use. If I would need to remove one device it would be the Whoop. If I would need to remove two devices it would be Whoop + Oura Ring. In my use the Whoop is the most unreliable in terms of data collection. It regularly detects workouts when I do nothing. Recently had a „workout“ of Yoga that moved my strain on that day from 4.1 to 17.3 in just 20min. Problem was I was sitting on my chair doing office work. This stuff happens every few weeks and definitely lowered my trust in the accuracy of the device. Apart from that it is more comfortable to wear than the Apple Watch but less comfortable than the Oura Ring (especially for sleep tracking). What I like is the customization options with different bands (I have a black and a blue one) which you can use to make it fit your outfit better. I thought about getting a biceps strap but I‘m not paying the ridiculous prices Whoops charges for this. Oura is obviously always looking the same and I don’t like that it scratches relatively easily especially if you wear it while lifting. Build quality on the other side is perfectly fine for me. The Apple Watch feels most premium out of the three devices, has the most functions and I trust it‘s data the most in terms of accuracy. In combination with the Bevel App it gives me a lot of insight. Honestly without Bevel I would not get the Apple Watch if your only purpose is health tracking. Apples pre-installed health apps on the watch/phone have all the data but they way it‘s displayed and summarized is awful. I don’t mind paying my 6$ per month for Bevel and I got the Watch not only for health reasons but also to use its other features but keep in mind that Bevel is something you probably need to replace Whoop/Oura with the Apple Watch. If my Oura Ring 3 fails in the future I will probably get a Gen 4 ring. If Apple introduces a Ultra 3/4/5 etc with new useful sensors I can imagine upgrading. If my current watch breaks I would buy it again without a doubt. For Whoop I’m currently on the road to not extend my subscription once it expires. I‘m a bit over half way through my 2 year subscription and since I anyway paid for it I will continue wearing the Whoop daily but as of now I don’t really see a reason to renew it. Hopefully when this time arrives the introduced Whoop 5 or made significant improvements to the software and features. For those interested: Battery life I get with Whoop + Oura is basically the same of around 5 days. The Apple Watch lasts around 4 days (I have Always on off which boost the battery life significantly).

Compared to my Whoop 4.0 my Oura Ring Gen 3 is more accurate.

It’s a retention method to get you to test the new features, then convince you that you should “rent” it, yes, it doesn’t belong to you. It's not a problem as long as you're pragmatic. You are made to believe that there is elitism within society. On the other hand, what we cannot take away from them is the pleasant software part, the indications and a well-thought-out UI. On the other hand, those who take the argument, “I don’t want a screen”. Please note, this is just my opinion. But from the first year you have a good watch. At two years of subscription, you gain access to a premium watch such as Garmin with the same metrics, which is yours. Mapping if necessary, etc… For my part, I have a Garmin Tactix 7 AMOLED, if the screen bothers me. I activate screen off mode. I have the WHOOP 4, the MG is coming soon. I only take it to compare metrics.

I first had AWU and the Athlytic. Trying Whoop 4.0 right now and I don’t seem to understand why would I switch, it is very similar with no subscription w AW

I've used a Whoop 4 together with an AWU and Oura Ring for years. Last year i ditched the Whoop and kept the Oura (on Gen 4 now) and AWU. I'm happy with the change, Oura is very active and innovative with adding features and the metrics are excellent and also useful for training. The AWU is nice as allround smartwatch but it has limitations for health and sports metrics. It will (for example) only sample your HRV on random points during nighttime, which impacts the usefulness for recovery (third party apps can only use the same data, so i would not rely too much on apps like Athletic). If you are mainly into sports and care less for comprehensive health or smartwatch features, Garmin is still the better option. For health it is hands down Oura for me.

I have 10 months left on a 2Y subscription + $150 invested in 4.0 bands + $40 for a spare charger. I considered 5.0 for the $49 upgrade fee (thought it was going to be free when I signed up) and another $49 for a non-black band. Then realized that's effectively $10/mo more out of pocket for the 14 day battery life... And another year for $240 ($20/mo feels quite steep for these metrics now). I'll stick with the 4.0 (\~3 day battery currently) until my subscription runs out and go over to Apple Watch Ultra. Regrettable.

What device will you switch to and why? I got the 4.0 ten months ago but haven’t worn it in four. Wild timing that 5.0 launched today.

Yes, under a few conditions. Do you have an above average understanding of data especially numbers? Averages? Percentages? Graphs? Do you understand the difference between precision and accuracy? Lastly and most importantly, are you patient with technology, especially software that’s continuously developing? If you have most of these things you will probably like Whoop. If you expect perfection from software stay away.

For free? I've had my Whoop 4.0 for 4 months now and they want £89 for the new device with features behind a paywall or nearly £300 to unlock everything + the new device. When I signed up for this I was under the impression future upgrades were FREE and they wouldn't slowly hide features behind paywalls. Fucking outrageous.

I just got the whoop 5.0 mg. to me its a huge upgrade just because of the battery life. the whoop 4.0 had a battery that could last around 5 days while the whoop 5.0 can last you two weeks. 5.0 is also a smaller and lighter device which for me is another big plus. I dont think I could ever go back to 4.0 after using the 5.0.

Thx. Don't have a Garmin, just Apple Watch SE and Whoop 4.0 and I plan on dumping the Whoop. May buy an Oura or some other device if it makes sense. Maybe a Garmin. Mostly tracking my sleep.

I ordered the amazfit bip6 just for running, and then the helio leaked. If the helio is what it claims to be, I’ll be strongly considering retiring my whoop 4 and migrating to amazfit/zepp platform. For now it’s the whoop and the bip

Where do they reference new sensors? The accuracy is my biggest gripe with Whoop 4.0 now, if the HR reading and sleep stages aren't recorded accurately, the whole product and business plan is useless, even confusing and annoying. I'll be on the fence to upgrade until I see reports of the accuracy of EKG and blood pressure. Hoping they have tested this better and in larger volume than other features.

Seconding. I’ve been using/wearing whoop regularly for almost 5 years. I like to have the data but I don’t necessarily use it for anything of value. The biggest bonus of Whoop in particular, is that I’m always wearing a HR strap. It’s unobtrusive on my upper arm, and I can charge it while wearing. So I never take it off. I also never have to remember to put on a Hr strap. For any activity, it’s tracked. Hike, run, swim, tennis, etc. so I like that. But I could stop wearing it an anytime and not change my training at all.

For anyone who is a WHOOP customer, I highly recommend the bicep strap. The data obtained at the wrist is laughable. Way too influenced by outside forces, movement, bad readings, etc. I have been using whoop for close to 5 years. At year 2 I almost cancelled because the data coming in was so bad the insights were all over the place. Whoop sent me a bicep band to try. The data obtained from the arm band has been excellent. I have compared it to a polar and garmin chest strap and it is bang on for HR. The HRV data has become a lot more consistent with my feelings. It has helped alert me to oncoming sickness. I have used it to track my Sleep Apnea cpap therapy. Etc. I don’t use most of the features honestly, just a sleep tracker and I check my recovery score. And it tracks activities. The rest is superfluous to me. Cool to have when I want it, but I really don’t use that stuff. I also always have a HR strap on. So any activity I do is monitored. It pairs with my Garmin cycling computer automatically. Swimming. Running. Hiking. Sex. Work. Etc. all of those activities are taken into consideration. Not just the cycling workouts I do with my chest strap. (Like Morpheus, etc) Yeah I hate the subscription model . But I’ve been using it so long, that I just pay the annual price. So it’s $20 per month. It’s also the only unit that I know of with a wearable charger. So I can charge it while sleeping, or doing stuff around the house. And I never need to take it off. Forget to charge it and forgot to put it back on etc. I only take it off to clean it essentially. I have currently worn it for 794 days in a row… 🤷‍♂️ I wish whoop would promote the arm band more. It is 10x better. But if it’s hidden up your sleeve, no one can see it. So it’s bad marketing. They are huge into the fitness lifestyle marketing and I hate that part.

Ah yeah I’m still on whoop 4.0. I see no reason to upgrade unless they send the device free. And an armband. Also interesting that the bicep band doesn’t work with their ECG feature. Fwiw. Whoop is also facing scrutiny from the FDa about their Blood Pressure Insights. Saying whoop is not a medical device yet it is giving unregulated medical advice.

Where were all the pitchforks and torches when us founding members got the shaft at the 4.0 release? The consensus was “suck it up” from the greater Whoop community. Sucks huh? 🤔

Quick summary: We all backed them on Kickstarter, $500 for nothing but a promise to maybe get something. One time fee, lifetime of use. In the meantime they switched from a hardware company to a subscription company but left us alone. All was good until 4.0, then they pulled the “just kidding” and started charging us. Less than others (but only after MUCH complaining). The overall consensus from non founding members was “quit your crying, it’s still a good deal”. I must say I’m really enjoying the 5.0 roll-out reaction.

I actually got electric shock from my whoop 4.0 from their laser sensors a couple days ago and it left a burn mark on my wrist…. I have documented photos with timestamps.  Now this? This was why I picked whoop instead of the oura ring. Whoop promised free hardware upgrades while Oura stated you have to buy the hardware. This is blatant lying… I paid for 3 memberships this year for me and two family members. Whoop, this is not how you do business… if you needed the extra money because maybe coding labor and hardware development was more expensive than you guys expected, just be transparent about it. At the end of the day, me and other customers are paying not only for the device and usage but also we want to help pave the way to actually improving this product to be helpful in advancing the technology. If this is to just be more greedy, then you guys are about to lose a lot of current customers 

Im riding out my 4.0 (had it on everyday since getting it in early 2020) then when my sub is up I’m done with whoop. For me it was the fact that none of the hundreds upon hundreds probably on the closer end to a thousand of dollars i have spent on bands wearables and battery packs are usable on the 5.0… fucking absurd. At this point id be lying if I wasn’t a little excited about the prospect of not having it anymore… its like cord cutting to some degree after 5 years of looking at this multiple times every day.

I don’t understand. I was able to exchange my Whoop 4.0 for free and get the 5.0 for free (EU citizen). If I compare this to an Apple product (as everyone does, but I still don’t understand why everyone complains): If I take an Apple Watch Series 9, and Apple tells me that I’ll get the new product for free when a new one comes out, it seems logical to expect to have access to the Apple Watch 10 at no cost. But would that logic still apply if Apple releases the Series 10 and the Ultra at the same time (like Whoop did with the 5.0 and MG)? Based on my contract and subscription, the Apple Watch Ultra wouldn’t be considered part of the new version since it’s a completely new product. Plus, Whoop also specifies that anyone subscribing through their site will get this upgrade for free. (That’s my current case.) Can someone explain to me why nobody is happy?

Really disappointing. What do you do with your 4.0 band when you upgrade btw? It says you can give to someone else but doesn’t that mean they’d need to sign up?

Christ people spend a lot of time and energy on this, eh? Great. I hope something better does come out. Or I hope whoop gets better. Who doesn’t? In the meantime though, the service they give does what I need. I’m not in love with it or them, but I never expected to be. It’s a product. It does a job. The 4 works just fine and when I can be bothered I’ll upgrade. Unless another company releases a genuine competitor and I see others (around me irl, not online) use it and give feedback on how it compares.

I’d say MG is not important. If you’re healthy and have no reason to suspect you need ecg and the like, and a dedicated amateur or semi pro athlete that wants to track and improve performance, I’d skip and just go with the 5. The new stuff seems like more gamification. Which is fine, I get it they need to pull in the numbers, and most standard consumers want bells and whistles. Honestly, you could even just go with the 4.

The whoop is a terrible fitness tracker at best it is a health and wellness device. It is an extremely well marketed cheap inaccurate heart sensor with a well designed app. The only positive things about the Whoop and these are limited to those who appreciate them are the lack of a screen and the ability to charge it while wearing it. Whoop is extremely limiting in that it will only allow you to use it’s own heart rate sensor while other wearables will allow you to connect heart straps, foot pods etc. It shackles you to your phone for activities unless you want it to guess (which it is not very good at) or to go back later and add them which is very inconvenient.

You can use a heart rate strap with any Garmin and get far better heart rate data than you can with whoop. But any newer Garmin is going to work better. Whoop is not accurate when used on the wrist, marginally better on the bicep. It is a cheap subpar heart rate sensor with a pretty app that gives you common sense or completely nonsensical insights. The strain score is a made up metric and based solely on heart rate. You can increase just by shaking your wrist for a few minutes.

I really wanted it to be great and it isn’t a personal bias it is well know that it is an inaccurate device, if you complain to whoop about inaccuracy on the wrist they will send you a free bicep band because they are well aware of its inaccuarcies. This isn’t something that is new, it is well known. It is a poor fitness tracker and you need a additional dedicated tracker to see any meaningful long term progression for any training. It is a decent sleep tracker that’s about it. I have the 4 and it is very easy to manipulate the strain score. I could easily put the same argument onto you and say you have a bias in favour of Whoop. Just because it seems to work for you does not mean that it is a good device. Just to add to the point that it is not a good fitness tracker you also need your phone and a connection to see any data which useless when out in the backcountry.

He wears it on his bicep to get that data. Most users wear the Whoop on their wrists where the data is not nearly as accurate.

They are only insights taken through the night while sleeping, at your most relaxed state, they are not going to be very useful. The Whoop can't take true BP measure measurement, it will be using some algorithm with your heart rate to give you a number.

It isn't a blood pressure monitor, it gives you insights about your blood pressure, not a true blood pressure reading.

I am on day 2 of the exact same scenario. Fenix 8 and everything. 😂 There are some definite positives to the Whoop and some definite drawbacks. I’m still undecided but I’ve got 28 more days to figure it out. 😎

Meanwhile I recently bought a fenix 8 and am letting my whoop membership expire. After 3 years, I'm over the analytics and I want more from my activity tracking as I recently got into triathalons. I personally feel like whoops sleep recommendations were pretty accurate but after 3 years I get the point. I like how whoop says you slept good, you had a good recovery, now GET AFTER IT. Meanwhile garmin is over here telling me my high aerobic training is low but your also over reaching? It's a mixed bag but as previously stated i want to track my distance on the road and in the pool more and I don't really listen to the whoop anymore.

Apple never promised free hardware with subscription. And I used an Apple Watch series 2 for nearly 6 years with no issues. Apple and Whoop are nothing alike. This bold face lie about free hardware with subscription is enough for me to walk away. I just got the Whoop 4.0 one month ago. They’ve fooled me once. Not again though.

I get it, man. They told us future hardware would be free, and now we’re stuck paying again. I’m sticking with the 4.0 too and letting the subscription run out. Honestly, I’m working on something better. It’s a wearable that tracks both your physical and emotional state. We’re still prototyping, but if you’re interested, I’d love to get your feedback: [limbico.genoma-group.com](https://limbico.genoma-group.com)

Ive used whoop since the 3.0 I cancelled my subscription and got a galaxy watch 4. With my time with the galaxy watch I learnt that for my needs the whoop was better so I came back and got the 4.0 the collected data with whoop is better, the fact it had no screen is a plus as I like to wear real watches, the strength trainer in my opinion is good (could be much much better though) there's other factors but I dont want to be boring With no news on the 5.0 i got the galaxy watch ultra at the end of last year as I had heard that the watch was much better now and so was their health app. However I didnt find this again suited my needs and I really dont like smartwatches however the thing I liked about the galaxy watch Is it has sleep apnea testing, ecg and irregular heart rate notification. now that the 5.0 has them things I can say they are giving me what I want from a fitness tracker and I can put the smart watch away for good instead of having the whoop and galaxy watch on me at all times. The whoop 5.0 has what I want. That being said if there was a screen less alternative to whoop that offered the same features if not morw I would definitely try them out. I have no loyalty to whoop they just currently tick the boxes of what I want

I still have 18 months of membership left and am now supposed to pay for the new version. It was suggested to me right from the start that future hardware would be free. I'm sticking with the 4.0 and will let the subscription expire

I have been using mine for 5 weeks and I'm super happy with it. Before it, I used Whoop 4 for a 6 week trial and Apple Watch 4 for about 3-4 years now. Ditched Whoop right after the trial (because of the steep price and because the company doesn't seem trustworthy to me. They've dropped all their customers who've invested hundreds of dollars in their Whoop 4.0 accessories just for them to find out that those wouldn't be compatible with the new Whoop 5). Whoop is good but only if you're fine paying 300$ per year forever. I keep using Apple Watch together with Amazfit but the main con of the Apple Watch is the battery life which is 18 hours. Amazfit Helio strap has been giving me stable 10 days battery, it records an "AI Activity" anytime I do something. So if I'm lazy, I don't need to record a workout. You can also start a workout but the categories are limited. no padel, no badminton, no table tennis. You can create a record post workout with pretty much any sport you like. In general, I'm super happy. It is comfortable, great battery life, it is pretty accurate, it even tracks naps, which Apple watch doesnt. I started leaving my watch of the wrist more and more since I started wearing the Helio. I'd say this is hands down the best value for money fitness tracker I know! And I've done some research. Even the new Polar Loop seems to fall behind for now.

I bought the 4.0 last Friday and I’m so glad I waited to open it until I saw the announcements. I would have been so pissed to have to pay additional money with all info on the website pointing to free upgrades to new tech

I’ve had a Whoop band for 5.5 years & love it! The data is incredibly sophisticated & robust so much so that they use it in clinical trials at Stanford & more.

Hume Health have 44% 1\* reviews on trust pilot - I also read an article on their software alog and their scales being fairly inaccurate. Happy enough with whoop and their 10 years accumulated experience

Your choice My experience is a bit different- My 4 tracks well to my fenix8, I trust my chest strap slightly more as it seems to react more quickly to efforts (on and off) Just received my MG, hopefully that performs at least as well as the 4.0

Mine came today. The bracelet feels cheaper, the sides are so thin/weak mine were pushing outwards meaning the pins were showing and nearly out. I removed the device and bent them back in and it’s better. But feels lower quality metal than my 4.0. Also the shiny metal just looks cheaper/obvious than my 4.0 black one. It does feel a fraction smaller/lighter but the old one didn’t bother me…I think they’d have been better keeping the same size/bands and add more tech or just making it thinner. Only had it on for 5 hours BUT battery is still at 100% and seems to connect to the App quicker. My first 4.0 was quick but recent replacement slow as sometimes. I love Whoop, I love how it’s kept me in check and has no screen. I’ll keep paying…until someone else comes along with a no screen, higher quality device.

Wait a damn minute. I had a whoop in 2021. I stopped using it after a year. I just got the 4.0 last month. GRRRRR

I have a Whoop band that I really like for tracking activities. It’s not a watch - doesn’t have a face to it at all - but I think it does a good job tracking sleep/activities and horse riding is an option for activity on it. You don’t pay up front for it - it’s a $35/month service fee. So while not a big expense up front, it obviously adds up over time, which is not necessarily for everyone.  I wear a garmin forerunner on my other wrist too. I like that as well, but I have to say I prefer the app and the data provided by the whoop. I basically only use my forerunner for the actual watch face at this point.  Edit: I just checked whoops website and they do offer a $399 up front fee for 2 year membership. 

I have both an Oura 4.0 and a Whoop 4.0. In short, the Oura is better for all-around health and insights - it's for normal people that want insights on their day-to-day life. The Whoop is superior for athletes that want focused information they can use to inform their day-to-day training. For example, I rely more on Whoop's insights than I do Oura's when I'm on the fence about going for a run on a given day. However, Oura has a much better and more accurate method of tracking CICO and is much more reliable for sleep and naps (according to the gurus on YT). So it boils down to use case, ultimately. I have a marathon coming up in June, after which I will be letting my Whoop membership lapse and sticking with Oura. I'm not a fan of reverse anchor pricing strategies, and I think it's really shitty for companies to do stuff like this (especially since part of the original draw was a model in which you pay a monthly fee, and you get the device included--now they're pivoting into forcing a renewed subscription to get the 5.0 or the MG, which is not the same thing).

Congratulations, Whoop. You just did the one thing a subscription-based company can never do: betray its subscribers. I can never trust you again. I can't trust you not to brick my Whoop 4 if I don't upgrade. I can't trust you not to release a paywalled Whoop 6 after I upgrade. I'm out.

Have my MG since satuday, used the 4.0 since 2024 and i love it, but what‘s still very bad is the HR while exercising/running… i also using a Polar H10 connected to my Apple Watch Ultra 2 so i see the HR from it on the screen.. when i compare it to the Whoop, the Whoop is waaaay off… that same problem had the 4.0, so i ask myself is there really a change in the sensors? i‘ve ordered a biceps band 2 days ago and will compare it again when i got it…

when i bought the 4.0 they shipped it from the netherlands to germany, so shipping is a bit more expensive but never 12€ and that they even charge money for shipping is ridiculous… yeah i know while i ordered they said it, that i will have 10 months left than.. will see if i renew next year… i doubt it tbh, 400€ is too much … the fun thing is (i talk from the actual moment) i have an apple watch ultra 2 that can ecg and all that stuff and even better than whoop (we don’t know the accuracy from the MG atm, but we know how good apple is in that point).. so i ask myself why i even got the peak subscription, the normal would be enough for me … but they know how to do marketing that people buy it even if they don’t need it….

Im not happy, I dont want to pay 12 months fee, I have enough costs this month. If I want to stay pay monthly, then the new whoop is not free. also they do not have the color band that i have now and i do not want another color. i think i will stick with my whoop 4.0 for a while.

Interesting! Though I kind of want to keep my 4.0 (and its clips) in case something happens to my MG, then I have a backup.

Got the Polar Loop on Monday. Given up on it today. Device is nice, light, comfortable and battery seems as advertised and quickly charges. Compared to the Whoop 4.0 I've had for a year now (renews next week), it feels 'less', in that the Whoop does feel like an ever so slightly more premium product. App is awful. Significantly less data and no real insights. Missed an entire night of sleep and unlike Whoop, you can't seem to just add it. Went out on the bike today and the Loop auto detected my activity. I stopped briefly and when I restarted, Loop detected a whole new activity - if there is a way to join the two together, I don't know what it is. There doesn't seem to be a way to edit the start and stop times either. I've worn it at the same time as my Whoop. Total sleep time and Light sleep broadly aligns (few minutes out), but there are 1 hour plus discrepancies between Deep and REM sleep. Overall, I'm not happy with Whoops overall model, but I'm giving them another 12 months. I fully expect a proper 'Whoop killer' to enter the market in the next 12 months, but for me, the Polar Loop isn't it.

I have an iPhone so I went apple watch. I've hear the Garmins are great. I will say the Apple Watch is a fantastic alternative that people downplay a little. The new series 10 is the same weight as the whoop 4, so you don't even notice you are wearing it. Also if you shut off the screen and turn off all the notifications the battery life is at least 2 days. I keep on notifications for only phone calls and my work calendar. I charge it when I shower and it's fully charged when I get out. It's actually nice taking the band off, unlike how strict I felt about keeping my whoop on non-stop. The one other thing that makes it great is that we have Hue lights and Apple TVs so when I'm home I just tell my watch to turn on the lights or turn off the tv. It's kind of like a smart remote even with the screen off. Once you're in the ecosystem, or have products within it, it's really an incredible experience. I was an android guy forever, but happy I made the switch

Whoop: never again. Hatte das 4er und es war absurd ungenau. Mit Bizepsband ging es dann, aber eben auch nur ansatzweise für Ausdauer. Krafttraining brauchst du mit dem Ding nicht aufzeichnen, und der Strengh Trainer ist eine absolute Frechheit. Finde die Apple Watch mit Bevel sehr gut, ansonsten Amazfit!

I really like my Whoop and think it’s worth it. Currently have the 4.0 and will likely upgrade soon. My two favorite uses are tracking sleep and monitoring heart rate during workouts.

I don’t have the 5.0 yet, but I have the 4.0. I also have an Apple Watch. From all I’ve read so far there isn’t much difference between the 4.0 & 5.0. I am not happy with the whoop company on how they’ve conducted themselves as a part of this release, and misleading their consumer base in terms of what our subscription cost covered. However, I still like the product. The data I get from whoop is more granular and more consumable than the Apple Watch data (my opinion, so don’t come at me). I will be getting the 5.0 at some stage, and I am not cancelling my subscription.

I ditched the AW because it’s literally the ugliest thing a person can wear on their wrist. I go whoop arm band + a nice $500 mechanical watch from Amazon.

I am 21 days in and it just started to feel personal for me. I am actually liking the insights and the ability to visually see the cause and effect of how i treat my body.

The data seemed to become more accurate after getting a bicep band. I wish I had gotten one sooner despite the cost. I've been comparing the Whoop to the oura ring.

I’ve had the 4.0 for a year and I just upgraded to the MG and life. I only had to pay $80 an upgrade fee, fwiw

Fair. I paid for bevel and Athlytic for a month and then Athlytic for a year. Reading recent comments like yours, just paid for another month of bevel!! Weirdly with the SE2 + Athlytic in early March, it matched Whoop4 so well, I stopped using Whoop4 since I'm honestly mostly sedentary and not really an athlete.

Totally agree. Polar produce the gold standard chest strap HRM so you would think the sensor tech would have been top notch. If they'd also made it do the things that Whoop does and paired it with an overhauled Flow app (the mock ups DC Rainmaker shows on his review looked promising) they could very well have taken a big piece of the market pie in this sector. As it stands it's an overhyped, under-specced device that won't take many people away from Whoop, or anywhere else for that matter. Whoop's prices are steep but almost look semi reasonable now, given what they provide over and above their competitors. I'm on the verge of trading my '4.0' for an 'MG'...

I haven't gotten the chance to dabble with Garmin coach but I hope Garmins features continue to improve. I'll stick with my combo of whoop and Garmin watch for now as Garmin is unbeatable in exercise tracking but it's sleep tracking was useless to me. Also whoops algorithm matches me closer on a "how do you feel" after exercising and waking up and such. Garmin just tells me no matter what that I need to recover for 50+ hours lol. Hoping AI helps Garmin with a lot of its sleep detection, analysis, and general message it gives its users.

Agreed. I tried a pixel watch, Fitbit charge 6 and whoop 4 and all gave erroneous HR on the wrist. My polar pacer pro is far better.

I think what people are more upset about is the fact that they’ve released a premium version with features we won’t get, which was essentially a broken promised from what was stated when we all signed up. They said if you renew your membership, you’ll get the newest hardware, but now they gave us a, sure, upgraded version, but then made an actual proper upgraded version and put that behind an extra paywall. The 5.0 isn’t really any different than the 4.0, the real upgrade is the MG, and that’s not available unless you want to shell out a decent amount more per year extra. They should have just released the MG and called it the 5.0 and raised the subscription a bit, if they really needed to do that.

Good to know. I got 4.0 in the Black Friday sale, and tbh happy to wait until BF again. It isn’t worth the full price subscription. I like it a lot but also don’t feel as wronged as the long time subscribers, I can see why it is a proper pisstake if you’ve been with whoop 12 months+

Welcome to the whoop family..... I wear both the fenix 7 sapphire and the whoop band... Whoop tracks your lifestyle and sleep better than Garmin ever will....but Garmin will always be more accurate when it comes to steps and workouts. For some reason Garmin doesn't capture REM sleep accurately..... Hoping they fix soon because their training readiness scores will always be off due to this....

And keeps increasing :) without really change nothing since the new subscription model was introduced xD Lots of future promises and only whoop coach with memories that is quite the same as Oura now that always had that

Whoop works well on Android and is comfortable, haven't taken mine off since I got it last year

Wenn dir valide Daten wichtig sind, würde ich zu einem Gerät greifen, was eine Kompatibilität mit einem Brustgurt vorweisen kann. Die Daten von Whoop fand ich in meinem Vergleich über 4 Wochen damals ziemlich abschreckend, vor allem bei Kraft- und Intervalltraining war Garmin mit und ohne(!) Brustgurt mit wesentlich besseren Daten unterwegs.

Will tell you for sure Helio definitely isn’t for you, sleep tracking is cooked. Can’t even recommend Whoop bc the Step tracking on that is generationally bad. First world problems

If you have an Apple Watch 9, you’re happy with it and it fits you’re lifestyle then why look for hype. If you want hype, buy hype but it should be about what you think is right for your needs. The Apple Watch is a smartwatch + fitness device. The whoop is a fitness device only. I had an Apple Watch for years and I liked it at the start but over time it became less suitable for me. I often work or study in environments where I must take off anything worn on the wrist. The whoop costs me more but I can wear it on the bicep and the battery is significantly longer. I personally prefer the whoop because it is more suitable for me. You have to decide what is right for you based on what you want from your wearable.

One of the main reasons I choose a whoop over an Apple watch was due to the free hardware upgrades. Conveniently my 12 month subscription is up around the same time the Apple watch is released. The cost isn’t the issue, it’s them changing what’s promised.

Tried whoop, Fitbit, and now am on Apple Watch. I loved whoop but I couldn’t justify the monthly subscription. So if money isn’t an issue, I recommend whoop. Fitbit sucked. At least for me it did. Loving my Apple Watch the most. It’s easier to see how my heart rate is going and it keeps me motivated during the day outside of working out. Plus it has the find my phone feature which helps my flakey ass.

Whoop might work well for you. It can be worn in multiple places on your body (wrist or bicep straps are most common, they also make clothing / underwear designed to hold the device). Main advantage for me vs. Apple / Garmin is I can wear it on my right arm while wearing a normal watch on my left wrist.

I canceled my Whoop subscription the day they announced their new bullshit. When they wouldn't refund me, I filed a chargeback with my credit card company. I just want very basic and accurate tracking of a few different health metrics with no screen (I like wearing analog watches) and Polar has been a trusted name in that market for a long time. For less than the cost of a Whoop subscription, I'll give it a shot.

12€ shipping is such a scam. In no way in the world does a small package like the whoop cost 12€ to ship. Btw if you upgrade you wont have 14months anymore. 25% get deducted for the higher subscription cost. you left with 10month

If you dont mind wearing a smartwatch like apple watch or garmin, go with those. I prefer classic watches so im doing the combo of a normal watch and whoop on my other wrist.

Same on this. Had my ultra since release day and loved it. Tried Whoop for a year in combo just to see, but once I realize Athlytic was getting better and my Whoop felt like a chore to not lose the battery, I ditched the sub before it was even up.

If you are looking for highly accurate HRV and recovery information, you should use WHOOP. It is not a replacement, but an addition to you AW. Edit: to clarify, garmin can track HRV, RHR and other recovery tied data, I am not saying it’s useless, but imho whoop provides more accurate data.

It’s hard to quantify the difference in numbers. Whoop main focus on recovery and vitals, garmin try’s to cover all areas and aspects. I know few people that went back and forth, but ended up with Whoop+Garmin setup, mainly using whoop for recovery. One of them is a triathlete, training multiple times per day, and according to him whoop provides more accurate data. The subscription model sucks, but that’s how it is. If you are really after the best data on recovery, whoop is imho the best offer on the market. But you need to see the value, for most people it’s just another overpriced tracker without any usefulness.

Yeah I feel like apple sleep tracking is similar to its specificity with fitness tracking. Instead of in depth (and maybe somewhat disappointing data) it gives you the positive fluff version to encourage general day to day health. I compared whoop vs. AW vs Fenix and Apple was the only one that just skipped my mini awake times. Found that strange

Whoop is more of a lifestyle tracker. But in my experience no wearable fitness tracker is really good at understanding the strain of a crossfit workout (or a weight lifting one). They all require you to manually go and add in all your lifts, which becomes a real drag, or even worse you have to carry your phone around clicking start on all the exercises. I use the Whoop because I'm looking for more than just tracking workouts, also I love that it doesn't have a screen.

It’s really unfortunate that WHOOP has decided to take this route — not updating devices for existing subscribers with active plans. For example, I cancelled my subscription yesterday and don’t plan to renew it. It’s disappointing to see this approach from WHOOP. And I especially feel bad for people who just subscribed. Like my boss, for instance — I recommended WHOOP to him, he purchased a yearly subscription, and received his new device only three weeks ago. Now, every time he opens the WHOOP app, he’ll get a reminder that a new device is available — but to get it, he’ll have to pay an extra fee. Sadly, this will be the case for all new users who joined at the last minute. They’ll constantly be getting follow-up prompts: “You’re not using WHOOP to its full potential,” or “Discover more – upgrade, subscribe, pay extra.” As for me, I’ll stick with Apple Watch, a one-time purchase, paired with an app like Athletic, which costs significantly less. I’m confident this combination will cover 90% of my needs. And if one day I feel that I’m missing something, I’ll just buy an Oura ring — and even then, it’ll still cost less than WHOOP.

The issue is that he is checking just the hardware accuracy, not the whole ecosystem (hardware+software). Whoop app is incredible. What is the alternative for AW?

I really like my whoop for strength training. It can tell my heavier lifts from my lighter lifts and gives a percentage on cardio vs muscular load. I would say it is accurate only if you input your workouts in the app at the end of your lift. Would love if garmin did something like this

this is in my opinion a weist of money 1. step count way off 30% more than samsung or apple watch 2. 200 usd membership 3. state of the art labs are only 80% precise in terms of sleep analysis , how accurate do you think the watch is ? 4. i did a leg workout all to failure could not move for a day strain score 9 5. in the morning when sleep score is low or recovery low , it will subconsciously make you tierd even if are fine just train to failure , step count with applewatch

Whoop seems to be perfect for your needs. I'm not very active with my training yet I'm finding it incredibly useful so far. Bought it last week with the Black Friday sale. It is the best in the market, apparently, for sleep/recovery Vs strain insights. The other options really are not the same level.

I'm switching to Whoop. My main focus is on sleep tracking and heart health. Not a fan of the subscription, but hoping for a subscription free alternative in 1-2 years.

I use a Whoop and the arm sleeve under my rashguard for nogi and they also have a compression top that I wear underneath my Gi on gi days

When I go for a run, I use my Coros Pace 3 along with my Whoop. They’re two different things, but complementary when it comes to tracking my runs.

I’ve gone both ways with this and back with AWU and Oura. Whoop has a beautiful UI but is largely inaccurate on HR reading for me. So that throws everything else off. I’ve tested Whoop and AWU against the gold standard HR chest strap and the AWU is insanely accurate for me on my wrist. Whoop, not so much. Really wanted Whoop to work too. I’ve tested this over and over. Data nerd.

Not a big loss but doesn't have that haptic alarm which is a feature I enjoyed on whoop when I used one.

Similar to the Polar Loop, Garmin are also releasing a screen less wearable to compete in this space. Holding out to see that as well as wait for some actual user reviews on the Polar Loop. I was about to give the Amazit Helios strap chance and was at checkout when I saw the Loop being released the next day. There is a an amazfit sub Reddit I'm followingbwithba very active community talking about the watched and straps. Seems like it's fine, as people are saying here but requires patience and constant software upgrades across all their products. Kind of like they are building the plane while it's flying. Not sure this is helpful. I'm not hard pressed to have a new wearable presently. Miss the Whoop and haven't used it for the last year, but honestly haven't felt lost without it. Helped realise a few lifestyle issues around drinking, sleeping better etc... didn't add more value than that personally.

I like my whoop for sleep tracking, everything else Garmin is great

The whoop has better battery life. I have both a whoop and a AWU. I’ve had an Apple Watch since the first gen. Battery life is not its strong point.

Thanks. Whoop seems to struggle with arm movements it doesn’t recognize. Given you had no legs it was probably an odd motion while swimming. I was scrubbing and then scraping concrete a few weeks ago. It was hard enough to make me sweaty but whoop had my HR near 200. I deleted the activity and can’t recall what it thought I was doing now but it was obviously way off. All that being said I’m sure your arm movements were still close enough to a normal stroke so it’s a disappointing result.

Whoop isn’t great because it has terrible tracking and then I can’t have any info on my wrist when I’m training. I liked it, but more as a supplement to my Apple Watch and then garmin

I used both for a year. Just expensive to pay for Whoop when I could use my garmin to get almost all the same information.

https://preview.redd.it/vs3mpaibzznf1.png?width=403&format=png&auto=webp&s=82e691eab0e6bd67ddc6d17a04dd527b18b7674c That's interesting. I haven't looked at the calc methods yet, but I'm currently trialling Whoop and Oura with my Polar Pacer Pro. I only have 7 days of data so far, as you can see, correlation is high but Polar HRV is always 10-20ms higher. A late, but sober night on day 2. Alcohol on day 5 and a little bit on day 6... I'm primarily doing this for sleep data, but when my legs aren't playing up I run, hence the Polar device.

I purchased the whoop and after several days I returned it. While wearing it was convenient, I am a side sleeper so having something on my arm just hurt as a slept. I am a women and I was looking for a little more data about my body. The whoop is probably best just for athletes not casual wearers. I am thinking about switching to oura ring cause it just looks better. If I am in a formal setting wearing a dress the original band is not appealing and I feel like you need much of a commitment to the whoop before buying all the accessories. I also don't like how it cant track when you start ya activities or how many miles you walked. It just give you too many data points without really any significance.

I use whoop and it let's you broadcast HR to the bike!

I had other devices before Whoop, checked its HR accuracy against chest strap and my wrist Whoop is as accurate. It has helped me tailor my workouts to my recovery improving outcomes More importantly it saved my life a couple of years ago when I had an Atrial Flutter episode. I got notified of a completed activity I wasn’t doing anything and hadn’t for a bit. Opened Whoop and it was showing 5 activities at 20/21 over the past 5 hours. Checked my current HR and was in zone 4. Had no symptoms and went to the ER, got an ablation and was all good.

I am using a WHOOP. Got it mainly for sleep but it recognises my climbing as well. You can wear it on the wrist, bicep or in under garments (bicep band or under garments cost extra). I am super happy with it. My sleep has improved dramatically since getting this thing and therefore my overall quality of life too. No screens :) It does cycle tracking too which takes longer than I have had it yet to see an effect. But, there are no cycle notifications, if that is important to you. However, since you are supposed to log habits and symptoms every day anyway, you will have the app open every day at least once, so you see your cycle predictions too. 9/10 recommendation for this thing

It’s not that Whoop is bad, but the $360 price for the Lifetime membership feels excessive to me, and I no longer find it worth it. I do recommend it for one year if you are serious about learning and tracking your health, but 2 years is unnecessary for the average person. I really enjoyed it for the first year and a few months, and I still love tracking my workouts, but I feel like I’ve hit a plateau with what I can actually learn from it. The recovery insights aren’t insightful to me, and I’ve had a disappointing experience with their customer service. The things I want to track can be done with other, more affordable devices. So that’s my plan — try another options, and if I truly miss it, I can always come back

I used a whoop, with the forearm sleeve. I put the sleeve on my calf, though. Worked great that way.

This is my perspective as someone who uses Whoop and wears an SMP or a Speedy that I rotate according to how I feel. Also, I've tried Oura, and liked it, but it wasn't for me. And I have an AW Ultra that I use when running and hiking, and this is after a few years of using a Garmin Fenix. Most people think of Whoop as simply a fitness tracker, which it is, but it is much more. What seperates Whoop from other things is how it shows you the impact of your behaviors. Yes, I think Whoop was less than honest about their upgrade policy with the new 5.0 and MG release, but I still can't find anything like it. The "magic" of Whoop is that it allows you to pre-select certain behaviors that will appear in a daily journal. Each morning you take 30 seconds to check yes or no on these items, e.g. Did you consume added sugar yesterday? Did you eat a late meal? There are endless options. As times goes on, Whoop continues to show you how these behaviors are impacting your sleep so that you discover how far before bed you should stop eating, or what's the latest time of the day you can drink caffeine without it impacting your sleep (even though you may think it doesn't because you fall asleep quickly). I'm not trying to sound like an advertisement for Whoop, but I think most people evaluate Whoop without knowing what it really does. So when I run or hike I use my Ultra for reasons that don't overlap with Whoop. But the rest of the day, when wearing my SMP or Speedy, or when I sleep, I wear Whoop because it is providing overall health insights that I find valuable and have led to lifestyle changes that I may not have made otherwise--even as a person in great shape who works out six days a week.

Whoop is quite overpriced, but has my gym in a stranglehold. It’s really quite good for bjj, particularly if you use the arm sleeve accessory.

Whoop …. basically told me I’m not getting enough sleep…

I have done almost 80 workouts with whoop and polar h10. The whoop is not a fitness PERFORMANCE device. It's a Comprehensive Health assessment tool. Your Garmin or any other Fitness tracker won't have as much detailed information as whoop because of the sampling frequency. But you do have to take whoop for what it is. It will miss your Peak HR and effort during your workouts because it doesn't capture the top of your heart rates unless you sustain them. Whoop HR lags and is adversely affected by movement. The data is essentially skewed a little to the "less strain" side of the spectrum. So that would in turn affect your strain score, your recovery score, your health span age data, Etc However, that being said I don't think there's another device out there that can capture as much data. I think the reviewers out there agree. While there are other devices that capture data more accurately, nothing else does EVERYTHING in one device as well as whoop. For people that cannot wear a heart rate monitor or wrist device or something else during an activity that they do on a regular basis, for example martial arts, I think the whoop is literally the only device that will capture, at least to some extent, your daily activity. I have finally, over 80 workouts, figured out a workflow (polar, samsung, trainingpeaks, and whoop integration) and the end result is you have to use a heart rate monitor if you want to do any kind of performance monitoring and performance Improvement. But I mean that is super duper in the weeds. You could just monitor your resting heart rate and HRV in the whoop over time and take note if you are getting stronger and faster. If you are and you feel like you're recovering well everyday, then I don't think it's necessary to have a chest strap heart rate monitor. But if you want to track performance metrics comprehensively in something like training Peaks, then you do need the heart rate monitor. I mean, like for very specific heart rate data like maintaining Zone 2. If you're struggling with sleep and fatigue and have concerns about Under and Over training, I think the whoop is a really great tool, but you have to actually spend the time filling out the journal and being very consistent with wearing it as much as you can. But then again like the comment above, if you don't follow the recommendations or come up with your own recommendations based on the data you are getting, then it's a waste of money. You have to want and like analysis if you're going to get your money's worth. I believe there is such a thing as not enough data and a thing such as too much data. And we are all different now that translates into information we can use. Only you'll be able to answer that. Good luck!

When Whoop works, It's fantastic. Too many days with horribly wrong data ruins the experience.

Whoop with bicep band.

Been a user for 5 years now and I renewed for a year during BF. Probably gonna call it quits come November when my year is up.

Currently as a 24/7 product that monitors you it is probably whoop. Whoop is just way ahead of others and others are trying to catch up. The smart watches are nice but the battery doesnt last as long and honestly just too bulky to wear 24/7.

Really the whoop will only give you good data on your wrist or bicep. If you're a new user, you'll get the hardware free with a 12-month signup.  If you fill out the journal daily, it's the best tracker on the market.

yeah, i have a polar h10 as well that i used to use with strava. the whole reason i switched to the whoop after the trial was because it gets basically the same data. people act like a 10% HR difference is going to change anything about their life. it's mostly just tech gadget consumerism disguised as grievances.

This was exactly why I signed up for Whoop over Oura. Big mistake.... Plus until this latest update the data was wildly inaccurate (for me). Will not be renewing at the end of the year that's for sure!

I have had the gen4 for a couple weeks and really like it. I wore a whoop for many years but got tired of wearing a strap. I have a specific need for data again so I went with the Oura. I wear it instead of my wedding ring and so far it’s great. I also use my apple watch with it for workout where I like to see data and zones easily without my phone. Anything in particular people are complaining about? I have had tons of wearables and it’s solid.

meh... I was part of an Adidas study that paid me whoop for 1 and half year. I just recently renewed as I am definitely more athletic than before. In particular the increase in sleep quantity and quality was a big factor and I could not have achieved the same level of insight with my Polar vantage v3

I used to use the whoop with bicep band it it works great in gi, however it got grabbed and flipped a lot in nogi. I switched to the boxers and haven’t looked back. It stays in place, I forget it’s there to the extent it’s taken a bath in the washer. Whoops sucks from the sub requirement perspective but it’s much better than any other wearable—I’ve used a polar and morpheus chest strap.

A user just posted side by side with Polar 10 on the same workout and the Whoop variation was almost zero

I ditched a Garmin Epix Pro 2 for my Omega Seamaster Pro and Whoop. Couldn’t be happier . I use Runkeeper for tracking run stats and audible updates that aren’t available on whoop yet.

I just switched from Garmin Epix 2 to a whoop. If you’re a serious runner, the whoop won’t cut it but the Garmin does a good job with the health insights. I’m running less, so I wanted better health insights, which is why I switched to whoop. They aren’t really comparable because they solve for two different goals.

I also use a whoop with the whoop underwear. Seems like the best setup for bjj imo

The HR accuracy in whoop makes it almost pointless to own.  Plus so many of the benefits from Garmin come from complete data sets, wearing the device near 24/7.

I think so. It’s a measuring device. It can only give you insights. You have to choose to act upon the info it provides. I’ve seen some people get mad at what they’re seeing and decline the device as unreliable. I’ve been wearing one since 2017 and have found the device to be remarkably consistent. It has helped me make better lifestyle choices and it has improved my health and fitness. I’m not sure what that is worth to you, but I certainly don’t have any problem paying a couple hundred dollars a year for it. Hope that helps! Best of luck to you.

Bevel has been my favorite so far. It’s a great blend of Garmin connect and whoop. When wearing my whoop(bicep) in tandem with Apple Watch the metrics match up very well in agreement. Gentler streak was pretty cool but very basic. Apple Watch native data pretty much replace what they offered in my opinion.

I did too but after a while, I saw diminishing returns plus the annual cost got crazy. Switched to an Apple Watch and can do all the things whoop can with the Bevel app but I also can control my Swingvision AND my hydrogen proton ball machine .

The other benefit with the Whoop, which I haven't seen on any other device, is the ability to wear it in different locations. I personally wear my Whoop on my wrist or bicep most of the time, but wear it in my underwear for jiu-jitsu. I expect this is also important for other combat sports, where having something on your wrist could hurt your opponent or damage the device itself.

I wear a Whoop on my other wrist.

I am 10 months into my whoop.

I agree, Garmin Epix 2 and Whoop owner here. Garmin is pretty shitty at sleep… I’ll be awake for an hour in the middle of the night and it will tell me I had continuous sleep all night. Whoop captures all those wake-ups, even the little ones to roll over. Whoop is convenient because it auto detects activities. It just thinks my heart rate is way higher than it is. No, Whoop, I’m not in Zone 4 playing pickleball. Garmin with its 6 lasers (to Whoop’s 2) is more spot-on (like within 5-10% of wearing my Polar chest strap), but you have to remember to start your activity manually if you want to look at graphs and stats. Garmin is a good watch, with flashlights and altitimeters and compasses and other useful things. There are a lot of customizable watch faces, so you can make it as useful as you like. Whoop is just simple and easy. So far I can’t get myself to get rid of one!

I do the exact same thing. Whoop always on my bicep and AW7 on my wrist. I move the Whoop to my other wrist for strength trainer. I also hate running with my phone so tracking runs on AW will give whoop gps data for more accurate measurements. Unfortunately whoop does not have gps by itself. It works really well for me because I work in surgery and can’t leave the wrist watch on 24/7 but can do so with whoop on my arm. If I could have only 1 device I’d go with Apple Watch. Btw how do you make sure that whoop doesn’t double write workouts to apple fitness. I want it to write strength trainer but currently it doubles every run I track on aw and other excercise.

I use a whoop for my all day tracking (have used oura too) and just use a garmin for my actual workout tracking- it's only worn when I'm in a workout.

Check out Hume Band from Hume Health. I purchased a Hume Body Pod (smart scale) and am very happy with it. After getting the scale, they are now pitching me on the Hume Band. Looks like a Whoop clone. First, Hume BodyPod scale is excellent. Looks, build quality, the app is clear and well designed. I really like it after 2 months. FYI - I wore Whoop for 2 years and now have an Ultrahuman ring for 1.5 years. Reason to move to the Hume Band is that it will integrate with same app as the BodyPod. Haven’t done it yet.

I have both Whoop and Oura. The Whoop app is better I think - slicker and cleaner - but the actual metrics from both track very closely. Besides the form factor as personal preference the data from both is pretty much the same. And I always use a Polar h10 for heart rate during exercise anyway. I don’t intend to renew my Whoop sub. Right now I sync all my data from Oura to intervals.icu and also Apple Health with a few shortcuts I found on the internet for hrv/spo2/rhr/temp and just track everything on there now. I have found that I don’t really need AI telling me how I should be feeling. If my training load and form show I’m not going crazy and I feel ok, I’ll do a workout. If my hrv is tanking and I feel tired, then I rest. Just my humble opinion and experience. But thought I’d share.

I tried the Ultrahuman ring for a few weeks but it was uncomfortable during the night and in the gym. At the end I tried whoop and I'm still using it. It's not bad, more precise than I expected.

What do you do in the gym? What are your goals? Generally speaking, no, whoop is not the best for the gym. \- Sleep, and HR/HRV \*during sleep\*: there are studies to support whoop sleep assessments (identifying pretty well that the user is asleep and not that well in which sleep stage) ( [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32713257/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32713257/) ) and HR/HRV measurements *during sleep* ( [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36016077/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36016077/) ). I think whoop sleep and recovery data and metrics can be quite useful, together with the journal insights, to help improve habits that affect sleep and recovery. But in the end what I've learned from whoop about my habits is that "the basics work" - which doesn't require a whoop (I can elaborate on this if you'd like). \- Whoop sleep-recovery-strain “loop”: I do think the *idea* of the whoop strain target and sleep planner is brilliant: based on your recovery, the strain target would advise how much you should train that day, and based on the strain from the day, the sleep planner would advise how much you should sleep that night. But none of that has been validated; the whoop strain metric was never validated, and the same is true for the strain target and the sleep planner “sleep need” calculations. Ie- it seems like a good *idea* (hypothesis) in theory, but it hasn’t been *proven* (demonstrated) in practice. Currently, I see no compelling reason to believe that following whoop strain recommendations would be *better* than simply following a science-based training program (or simply following the physical activity guidelines for health - if that's the goal). Similarly, currently, I see no compelling reason to believe that following whoop sleep recommendations would be *better* than simply sleeping \~7-8 h per night (or enough to wake-up feeling well rested) with regular sleep/wake-up times (\~1 h window). \- HRV-based training (and therefore whoop recovery and day strain recommendation): even if we wanted to buy into the idea of the whoop sleep-recovery-strain “loop”, that wouldn’t really work if the main goal was to maximize strength (and/or muscle growth). The strain target is based on whoop recovery, which is heavily based on HRV, and HRV isn’t a reliable metric of readiness for strength training, to adjust your strength training sessions on a daily basis, based on the current overall body of research (eg- [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835520/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835520/) and [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32079921/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32079921/) ) (and hard strength training can cause a decrease in HRV – that’s not necessarily an issue if the goal is strength and/or muscle growth). \[For my strength training, I'd basically ignore HRV (and whoop recovery / day strain recommendation); I'd follow a science-based strength training program and use auto-regulation to adjust my strength training sessions on a daily basis. I think this point is always worth mentioning because whoop themselves don’t make it clear, they usually just say “training” when discussing HRV-based training (and whoop recovery / day strain recommendation), and I think that can be misleading for users with strength / hypertrophy goals.\] \- Strength trainer / muscular load: like I wrote, the whoop strain metric was never validated, and the same is true for the strength trainer / muscular load; they say it was “developed at whoop labs”, which to me sounds like “trust me bro” :) I started using the strength trainer when it was released, hoping improvements would come soon; but the muscular load, the cardio/muscular split, and the intensity didn’t match my perception at all; and it doesn’t show history/trends per exercise or velocity; I stopped using it completely, waiting for them to release improvements (which never came - then I cancelled my membership). Currently, I don't see how the whoop strength trainer would be *useful* for strength / hypertrophy. \- Calories: whoop estimate of calories burned is admittedly inaccurate. From my experience, it isn’t even reliable (“consistently inaccurate”), so even the trend isn’t useful. To the best of my knowledge, there’s no science-based way to accurately estimate calories burned using a wearable; that’s why generally wearables do a poor job at that. Are you interested in calories burned to manage your nutrition / bodyweight?

I did just that and I'm very happy with whoop. Enjoying my mechanical watches :)

A lot of my friends have had it and have said nothing but good things about it. I like the whoop due to its battery life, the features it offers compared to competitors, the sleep score, and that you are able to use the whoop in many different forms. I hate having to wear an apple watch or garmin to bed with me but I love how whoop has the option to put wrap the device around your stomach.

As someone who has used Whoop for a year, I’m not impressed, while it was really good at tracking sleep, stress and identifying patterns, the actual sports part was very hit or miss for me. I miss the first gen Fitbit flex, extremely simple, discrete and tracked distances fairly accurate. I’m still looking for alternatives that don’t cost a ridiculous amount of money.

I used a Whoop for a while but went back to an Apple Watch. Whoop has a lot of metrics and I liked that it could go days without a charge, but I like all the other stuff the watch does - like show me the time. 😉 I also didn’t want to wear both. I know that’s an option some choose to go with. Edit to add: I don’t really *need* it for CF. I mostly like to keep an eye on my heart rate, primarily because I find it interesting to watch my perceived exertion vs. where my heart rate is at. I also get a kick out of seeing what the watch says vs. the C2 rower for calories - they usually are very close!

Tracking my hormones cycle has done wonders to me. I am forever grateful to Whoop for bringing this awareness and elevating my fitness journey.

I feel like I've never really understood the whole 'screen-free' argument for WHOOP.. With my AW I can see all my fitness metrics at a glance on my wrist, whereas with WHOOP I *have* to pull out my phone, open an app, and scroll through things. WHOOP inherently necessitates more screen engagement and on a device where you're far more likely to get sidetracked. It just feels like a lazy argument to me when people act all morally superior about 'not wanting another screen in their life'.. You can enable a focus mode / DND on AW to hide unwanted notifications, or just have some basic self restraint. And if you want more from that screen, there are countless uses. Whereas WHOOP seems like the opposite to me - the minimum amount of required screen usage is higher due to needing to use a phone, but it has none of the potential benefits of AW's versatility. Greater downside with capped upside potential. I've switched between AW and WHOOP twice each now and landed back on AW. My only reason for ever ditching it was wanting to wear my Omega instead. But WHOOP just defeated the purpose entirely - unreliable tracking and black-box, vague composite metrics just meant crap in and crap out. Was not useful. Now I just basically cycle between my Apple Watch and Omega every other week (+ AW for workouts); I care more about the trends over time than day-to-day data which is more or less the same within a week, so you're not missing out on much by not getting data every single day.

If you do any training outside bjj, the bjj data let's you implement it into your programming. Can tell you weak points and even inform your programming direction. The answer OP, is whoop, can wear the arm sleeve or bicep band and it doesn't interfere with rolling. 

I did whoop for a few years with the bicep band. I got tired of it telling me I was going to die any day. I went back to the Garmin Ecosystem. I have an epix 2 pro. I pair that with a polar bicep optical HR sensor. It tracks my stats well and allows me to track the other hobbies I have like weights and cycling. For clarity, I pair the HR monitor and toss my watch in my bag on the side of the mat. It’s never lost connection.

I've just started using Whoop as I can't sleep with the Apple watch on.

Get a whoop and a pair or two of their underwear so you don't have to worry about an obtrusive band There's a fitness app called Sobo, by GIGO Dev, that integrates with whoop and has BJJ specific activity tracking From what I understand you don't even need a whoop membership just the device itself

I’ve used Whoop for 2 years now, and yes, as a habits and health correlation tracker it is excellent. The whoop is data centric, and can have extensive criteria’s added to it through the journals feature. I would offer, it’s most suited to someone’s fitness style that is relatively urban, more than outdoorsy though. The Whoop’s lack of in-built GPS and reliance on data coverage are its major downfalls.

I've also been looking into this. The best I have seen is the whoop, unless you want to wear another watch. I am sure Fitbit used to do a non screen version but they don't look to exist anymore.

I prefer my whoop as I like to wear actual watches

That’s the benefit of seeing your data clearly presented every day - you don’t need to be a doctor to review it.

Why didn’t you try Whoop? This is exactly what you want

Accuracy of the apple watch is significantly lower - theres a third party, peer reviewed journal article somewhere that says as much. I can confirm, I’ve had an Apple Watch Ultra and whoop for 2+ years.

May I ask why ? Subscription fee ? I had whoop a couple years ago. After some time I stopped using it on a regular basis and couldn’t justify the cost. Looking forward for the polar one and what will it bring to the table. Would get Helio but unreliable data experiences told by some puts me off. Edit. Ended up buying Helio after watching the release of loop which didn’t convince me. Will test it and see how it goes.

Whoop at bicep has worked well for me, you can turn it around to where it won’t get hit. I used a Garmin for a while by flipping it to the inside of wrist but I got a callous on my wrist with the skin being rubbed raw by the kb on the silicon band. Criticism of these is they aren’t as accurate as heart rate straps which is undoubtedly true but I’ve found whoop on bicep has been good enough. Wrist Garmin for me was totally inaccurate, would read 130bps for hard hiit sessions whereas whoop is registering 180+ (and is how I feel)

Just bought a Whoop yesterday. Wanted a fitness tracker for awhile but didn’t want to be one of those people wearing two watches…I like it so far! It’s honestly the only option besides an oura ring if you don’t want to wear two watches and have your luxury timepiece be completely redundant and/or just jewelry.

I use Whoop. I do use their garments (sports bra, underwear, compression shorts), but I have used tape or large bandaid to put it on under a different sports bra. I’ve been using Whoop for a couple years now And for me it works well across different activities.

Thank you and I totally agree. Is it not made for running? Maybe. However, the whoop app also tells you to take one at least 15 minute gps tracked run per week, for accurate vo2max estimates. And yea for the price point, the amount of data/stats you see is a joke. Especially since the software apart from that is very high end, nice graphs, detailed statistics, trends, etc. I mean for the strength trainer e.g. being able to see the Heartrate for each set of an exercise, etc. And then for running? Have your average speed and be happy. At least the most basic stats would be very welcome. It feels like they have a deal with Strava to get you to purchase their subscription on top, to get those stats finally. Fortunately I have an old watch laying around that does all this, so I just run with both, especially nicer since it has a display and I can see my stats live. But it's kind of a downgrade from running with only a watch, to now have the whoop, phone AND watch. Whereas phone and whoop are just so the data in my whoop is complete.

I double it up - Apple Watch Ultra 2 on one wrist and Whoop on the other. I don't want to sleep with the AW, and I like Whoop's metrics and analysis. My husband is Whoop-only and trains/races by RPE.

I also do BJJ and whoop is the best option for now. There is also helio strap and polar is coming up with alternative soon, so more options are popping up

There are always whiners in the world. With every new Whoop, there’s a subset of people who complain about the price or features. I wish they got off on being active as much as they do complaining.

My best recommendation for tracking muscle strain and recovery (as compared to just cardiac strain & recovery) is Whoop. I used Polar for over 5 years and though I like the brand, their watches have fallen way behind the competition and I left them for Whoop last year. Polar only offers cardiac strain while Whoop offers both muscle and cardiac strain tracking. If you need a device with a screen and GPS, Garmin is the best choice for strength training as they offer muscle mapping and guided workouts.

Whoop tracks a metric called "Strain," which is calculated by your activities and daily living each day. They calculate muscle strain via algorithms, accelerometer and gyroscope. As for determining a value for leg work, I'm unsure of how it is done but I can confirm that the Strain results I see after having done a day of legs/lower body or posterior chain movements, are in line with my upper body days. I feel Whoop is accurate at determining muscle strain and effort and it's been one of my most favorite devices for tracking my workouts, ever. https://www.whoop.com/us/en/thelocker/introducing-strength-trainer-a-new-way-to-quantify-the-impact-of-your-strength-training/

I've worn Whoop (almost) exclusively for the past 1.5 years. I recently bought a Fitbit Versa 4 as I'm excited to see what Google are doing with Fitbit Coach this autumn. I wear both for training and sleep, using the Versa 4 primarily for outdoor runs. The metrics from each are largely identical for sleep and training.

What fitness items are you trying to track? Whoop does basic stuff well but the step tracking was awful when I gave up on whoop mid November.

Funny how this stuff works. Had an AW, but only started paying attention to metrics when I switched to Whoop. Got tired of the metrics not aligning to how I felt (and their pivot on the business model was the nail in the coffin), so went back to AW as I preferred it for general use and gave Bevel a shot. Especially after this latest update last week, Bevel is bang on and has much more intuitive features and layout than Whoop. The nutrition tracking and short/long term memory AI coach are a chef’s kiss. Stoked to upgrade to the latest AW to get the last two metrics I’m missing: temperature and SpO2.

No. It is a scam. And then they don’t let you cancel despite contacting them in advance. You get enough info from your Apple Watch this will not tell you anything more than you already intuitively know. I attempted to cancel my whoop membership prior to the annual renewal and was not able to and here was the response: “Your account is currently on an annual plan that remains active through its first-year commitment. Because the plan is still within that commitment period, the option to disable auto-renewal isn’t available just yet. Once you reach the final month of your current term, you’ll be able to schedule a cancellation so that your membership won’t renew for another year” That was on 6/23 So here I am today in a circle j3rk with their AI team and 30 minutes phone time with my bank disputing the charges.

Also, whoop over estimates steps vs Apple Watch and under estimates workouts vs Apple

I’ve tried quite a few and have landed on whoop. Whoop is solid for tracking recovery and overall activity levels, and is great at tracking long term trends. I do question the accuracy of the data, but the data is consistently tracking the same thing, and is tracking something meaningful, so it works well for me. I also don’t always love the interpretation of the data, but once I worked all that out I could use what I have perfectly well. I like the screen less design, I can jam it in cracks without an issue, and I like how it feels on my wrist. I don’t even notice it anymore.

I personally use a H10 every run and have my whoop on my bicep. My experience has been the opposite of yours. Looking at BPM averages for exercise, the only variance tends to be due to the whoop auto sensed workouts being a few minutes off at the end which brings the average down by a small percentage. Outside of this, they're almost in parity.

I’ve been using a Whoop off and on for ~3 years. It’s useful up to a point, then its utility falls off. Overall, I don’t think they’re necessary, but they can be helpful. It really is helpful to learn big picture what will positively and negatively impact your sleep. Some commenters here are saying it that you don’t need a device to tell you if you slept well or not. I disagree because your intuition about good/bad sleep isn’t as accurate as you think beyond obvious “I was awake all night” scenarios. That said, once you learn what associates with good sleep and what associates with bad sleep, you don’t really need to keep tracking things (note that this requires journaling what ‘lifestyle’ things you did each day in order to look for patterns; Whoop handles this in its app and crunches the numbers for you). Some things are no brainers: drink 2+ alcoholic drinks that night? Shit sleep. Some may surprise you though, and you can then make decisions around training/racing/etc., accordingly. E.g., I get less deep sleep when my dog sleeps in bed with me, despite not really noticing any problems falling asleep/staying asleep. HRV is pretty much useless and overhyped, imo. “Good” HRV days can be great for training/racing or can be complete shit. Same goes for “bad” HRV days. Its predictive ability is way lower than how you feel overall and where you are in your training (i.e., are you 3 weeks overdue for a recovery week?). HRV may work better for other sports, but I pretty much ignore the “recovery” metric that Whoop calculates from HRV. Two other considerations for a fitness tracker: (1) I like seeing data trends long term, which Whoop and others let you do. (2) Whoop can be pretty good at detecting when you’re getting sick *before* you start feeling sick, based on skin temp, respiratory rate, etc.

I like WHOOP because I like wearing an actual watch and wearing a screen smartwatch on my other wrist would make me look like a retard.

One more pro is that in this life full of distractions - Whoop doesn’t keep going off all day with notifications from apps and people. Really helps stay focus and does it job as effective. My apple watch keeps going off every now and them distracting me both during workouts as well as during office!

Can confirm whoop isn’t worth it at all. I regret it

I was v excited for the Polar Loop and now looking at the user interface (UI) i'm seriously disappointed. It reminds me of the blocky UI that Fitbit had. The design is so outdated for 2025. I'm gonna continue with my Whoop and keep tabs on what Polar does and how they improve the loop. Until they fix that god awful UI, I'm out!

I have an AW, Oura, and Whoop and recently ditched the Whoop. The Whoop was great but a bit more than I needed stat wise. Because I’m a longtime user of Whoop I don’t pay a subscription so that factored into my decision. However, one thing Whoop has over Oura is it doesn’t scratch. (But scratches don’t bother me). For me it’s Oura for the win.

Come on, man. Whoop is objectively expensive compared to other wearables that provide similar data. They know it, and they justify it with the promise of updates as part of the subscription - not by gating new features under higher tiers. If you’re fine with the value proposition, good for you. But this price hike is pretty absurd and it’s not whining to question Whoop’s business practices here.

don't think it is as simple as alternatives. All the devices mentioned are just different . I have Samsung Galaxy Watch ultra ,oura ring and whoop . if I wasn't exercising/pushing as much as I am I would not be using Whoop . Whoop is by far the best for that .Oura ring is by far the best lifestyle tracker with best insights. And it is not close . If I could only choose one device still would choose only my watch . Having the screen +apps +ability to go for a run with just your watch and listen to books /podcasts directly,payments with just your watch ,easiness of activity tracking and heart rate tracking . Could go on and on . Second device I would choose would be oura ring for the quality of data and insight that is far superior to Whoop . Whoop shines when it goes to form .the strap is superior form if you are an active person . Not having it off makes it less burdensome too . I think Strain is superior form of tracking and gives me much better insights when it goes to overtraining and when to push or recover . If you can only buy one device buy a good smartwatch for the versatility .

I guess this all comes down to personal preference. I was an avid Apple Watch user until I switched to whoop earlier this year. Best decision I’ve ever made. I have enough screens in my face all day. It’s nice to have a device like whoop which is a nice break from constant notifications whilst doing its job well.

You should give the trial a go, see how it works and then you can make a decision. I was on the fence with whoop for years, even tried the Helio strap but I love my whoop and have subscribed for the year.

I really like the Oura ring. The Whoop is great, too, but you already have an Apple watch, which is worn in a similar manner as the Whoop so the different form factor would be good so you can wear the Oura and AW at the same time.

Well i can state my story here for what it is worth and your consideration. First I always found smart watches strange because WTF would I want a second device to tell me what my phone already does? My phone is on my person 100% of the time. I saw no value in that and in fact something that would just give me MORE notifications. Don't we already get enough? However I DID see the value in a fitness tracker. I have owned an Oura ring, fitbit, and a whoop, because that made a whole lot more sense to me (Still does). Anyway, I got a free $300 OnePlus Watch 2 as a promo when i bought my new phone, so I got a smartwatch anyway. Basically a Android version of the Apple watch. Sure enough within weeks i took it off - as it was exactly what i expected, a near useless extension of my phone. ....buuuuuut it did teach me the value of a watch as a fitness tracker. SO rather than have a medicore fitness tracker, I got the top of the line garmin (970). And when i bought my garmin i immediately turned off ALL notifications so it remains a strictly fitness watch which BTW I find extremely motivating. I can honestly say this purchase improved my life and health. Anyway - there is zero question here. An Apple watch is a better *Smartwatch* (dismal battery aside). And Apple Health app is very cool actually. But Garmin is a better fitness tracker - the software there is incredible.

I had a whoop but I never changed by training plan based on its results (which I found to be generally uninformative), so I eventually decided, what's the point?

I wanted to share my experience with WHOOP in case others have gone through the same thing. • My WHOOP device failed at the end of August. • Support had me go through all the usual troubleshooting steps — no fix. • I was told a replacement had been “processed” and would ship. • It’s now been nearly two weeks and my order is still showing as “processing”. • I’ve exchanged 24+ emails with Support. The replies are all scripted apologies and vague “please wait” responses. • Their site promises 3–5 days for new orders, yet for a replacement I’ve paid almost $500 for, I’ve received nothing. • Compensation? Just a single month’s credit — nothing close to reasonable for this level of failure. • I’ve asked for a refund policy and escalation, but I keep getting ignored. This is beyond frustrating. I’ve started escalating on LinkedIn with WHOOP employees, and if I don’t see action immediately, I’ll be filing complaints and going through my bank for a chargeback. I really like the concept of WHOOP, but this experience has been awful. Has anyone else gone through something similar? How did you finally get WHOOP to act?

Fair assessment I'm in a similar boat and currently use AW ultra/Whoop combo until I decide whether or not it's ultimately worth renewing for more than a year. I suspect by then it'll be hard to justify the price compared to Bevel's increasing capabilities and comprehensive approach, Athlytic's too for that matter though it's a little more focused. If you don't care about insights or using cheap Chinese alternatives (only meaning in terms of people with data concerns or whatever) even Amazfit's Helio is quite a bit better than Whoop for accurate workout/HR tracking. Was excited about Polar but they decided to trip all over themselves with the Loop. Hope it improves, would love it as an alternative. But I don't think anything currently does wellness/recovery as well still and gives the whole package in as user friendly an app. Also appreciate the female perspective as someone whose wife might be interested enough to give my old trial band a go so thanks for the TED talk. User experiences are mostly why I browse this stuff.

I switched from a Whoop to a Garmin watch because of the yearly fee Whoop requires. I use it along with my FasCat Coach App to adjust my daily workout based on my nightly data.

I have an Apple Watch Ultra and a Whoop. Currently struggling with Covid and AW gave me a 75 sleep score, Whoop gave me a 14 in recovery.

Whoop is nice but i doesn't have a screen or gps.

Whoop can track 24x7. it's fully waterproof and charges while on your wrist using a battery pack.

I had Apple Watch and didn’t really like it and I think whoop is better. Never had a garmin so Can’t speak to that. My freind has an aura ring and it looked the same as whoop with all the same stats and if I was a girl I would prob just get that bc it’s lower profile😭😭 but I just don’t wanna wear a ring around Edit but also whoop is def more health and wellness focused then fitness and training. But if you do the same lifts every week and only change every 6 weeks like I do it’s easy and I log them each week and just change the numbers real quick and the workouts are already saved.

I’m pretty new to Whoop. Overall, Whoop is the best fitness tracker I’ve used by far, but the lack of screen/GPS is a disadvantage for endurance training. I tried wearing my Whoop and Suunto Race S on opposite wrists for a few weeks, but it was unnecessary and a little annoying. Now I only do so when exercising. If I were you, I would buy an entry-level running watch (Garmin Forerunner 55, Suunto Run, etc.) and a chest strap and wear them only when you’re running. That will provide you with excellent GPS and heart rate accuracy on your runs. Unless you are trying to compete very seriously in endurance events, that would be more than enough for a beginner or intermediate runner. Most of the other running metrics that advanced Garmins can produce are just not necessary or worth the price for most people. And I doubt you’ll want to drop $800 on a fancy Garmin to only use it while running a few times a week.

No. Used it for 3 years.

FYI, I found Whoop to be super inaccurate for tracking heart rate / effort while swimming.

so i love my whoop but i recently lost the charging pack and the pack is sold out on whoops website. i just paid for my annual subscription but am now unable to use my watch. when i contacted whoop all they said was “wait for the charger to come back in stock” i am very frustrated with this whole situation and whoop as a company and want to switch over to something else. i love all the information whoop offers and im having a hard time finding something that matches up. polar seems like a great option but does it have a strain tracker like whoop has?

Can confirm I am not a fan of Whoop. It serves a different purpose than my current Garmin.

Yeah, I pretty much use it for telling time and quick glances at texts. I have a whoop on my other (bare skin) wrist that I actually use as a fitness tracker.

I have that combo. But removed my whoop today since it's the end of the sub and won't renew it. Whoop is a nice device. I don't agree the the company policy changes and I will move on with my life without whoop. But if you want it, if you like it, go for it. It was my combo for 1 year and it was perfect. Garmin for sports tracking, whoop for recovery analytics.

Is it as comfy to sleep with? I have a garmin fenix 6 and cant sleep with that but can with the whoop

I bought it, it works fine and does exactly what it says on the box. No issues whatsoever and I’m enjoying it. I also had a whoop for a year or so and feel that Oura is much much better

I had whoop for two months when I realized the data wasn't worth $30. Also, none of you whoop users are more athletic or knowledgeable than another person who uses a smart watch and an oura ring. This company has been trash. The smart fitness device equilivalent to air Jordan's. If you wear this you'll be an athlete lmao

That's fair. I'm seeing more gains with the Garmin daily workout recommendations and recovery metrics from my oura plus I never have that irritating and stinky whoop strap. Also the Garmin watch lasts a full 25-30 days per charge or more with solar. Also one time payment

I’m definitely cancelling mine now, over the Whoop hype. Was excited to see they had a nice update and deflated after I saw they went back on their word about not charging for future hardware. Peace out Whoop you shot your self in the foot✌️

I have been dual wearing AWU and whoop for a couple years now. Definitely recommend giving Athlytic/bevel/sonar a go. Early on, the various apps, were not as good as Whoop in terms of interpreting your data into valuable insights. They are pretty much on par these days. If you already have an Apple watch, those apps have basic free tiers, So you can wear both and compare for a while. Do a monthly subscription for whichever app you like the best. With most of the recent apple watches, you can probably get away with fast charging while you're in the shower only, so effectively it's worn all of the time.

Does it have to be a watch? I love my Whoop because it's low maintenance and I forget it's on until I get the notification to charge it. I love my Garmin Instinct Tactical (I'm active duty military so it's dual purpose), but I have to take it off whenever I use wrist wraps or my grips during a WOD.

I think you should probably look at the Whoop instead of the Apple Watch. It's a little more fitness-focused that the Apple Watch, and it can get 5 days of battery life.

I wear a whoop in my right wrist.

Agreed. I own an Apple Watch Ultra, a garmin instinct, an aura ring and a whoop. There is no perfect fitness tracker, they all have pros and cons. People who give a black and white “x is better than y” always get a raised eyebrow from me.

Been a Whoop user for 3 years and it's pretty good (aside from the subscription part). You can buy Whoop clothing (e.g. boxers) to have the tracker away from your wrist if you don't like it there during certain activities.

I have a Garmin Fenix 7S Pro alongside my Whoop. I wore both for a week or two and found the sleep data on the Garmin to be relatively similar to the Whoop, albeit in a visualization and data representation that was exponentially worse. A big part of the appeal with a Whoop is being able to wear it all night without noticing it’s on my wrist. The Garmin is much bulkier and leaves a noticeable impression on my wrist no matter how tight or loose I wear the band. The only reason I still use the Garmin is because I like to see comparative HR data when working out to ensure my Whoop isn’t getting a bad reading - in some cases I have to adjust the position of my Whoop slightly in order to mitigate false readings. Once that is “calibrated”, I can put the phone away and just rely on the Garmin to inform me on my HR.

I tuck mine into the band of my sports bra. Works great and you can tell Whoop it's in a compression top without buying one of their special gathers.

In terms of accuracy, the device you will actually wear will be the best for you. None of these devices are 100% accurate for sleep tracking. But they all do a decent enough job. If you are looking for the most accurate, Apple watch does seem to hold a small edge over both garmin and whoop when compared to a chest strap according to both TQS and DC Rainmaker -- two of the biggest reviews. I do think AW does a much better job of detecting sleep - it just knows. With garmin it mostly looks at my set times and with whoop I am constantly telling it Im done sleeping. But I'd argue that the difference in accuracy doesnt matter for most people other than the most serious athletes. What matters most is what you need. Need a smartwatch with a screen? Go apple or garmin. Longest battery life? Garmin. LTE? AW. Dont want to or cant wear a smart watch but want the data? Whoop. Cheapest? AW SE or cheap garmin. I do think whoop is overpriced for what it is compared to its competition. I've worn both garmin and AW for many years. Currently have a garmin 955 and AW. I am doing the Whoop trial. There is nothing one of these devices really does better in terms of 'health' that another doesnt. They all tell me my sleep, all tell me my HR, and all tell me my HRV. Pick the one you think you will use and wear the most. Don't overthink it.

Have an AW and currently doing whoop trial. The thing whoop is giving me is wildly inaccurate HR readings. Just for example, Did a casual bike ride with my child yesterday afternoon and whoop gave me a 187 high HR. This was a really slow like 4 block bike ride. AW said 108hr peak. Ive biked hard, ran as hard as possible doing max HR tests with my H10 chest strap and never hit above high 160s. Im not sure whats going on but its been doing this type of odd HR readings all week. Id really encourage you to do a trial before putting any money in whoop. Even if the HR was accurate Im not getting anything AW doesnt give me. Im realizing whoop is for people that dont want a smartwatch or cant wear a smartwatch for work reasons. Its a step down from AW.

Yes, 100%. There are way too many haters in this sub. If you use it right, Whoop is an amazing tool. I also had an Apple Watch (for almost 6 years) and wanted something for my health and fitness without a screen. It was the best purchase of 2024 for me. I missed my Apple Watch exactly 0 times.

Bevel is an exact clone of Whoop, not Garmin

What are you saying? Whoop certainly will broadcast your HR…I use it daily

Yup. I treat Whoop as my main fitness tracker/health monitor but also wear a Garmin Tactix 8 or AW Ultra depending on what I feel like wearing that day.

I'd think Whoop with a bicep band just to be extra subtle. No gps or anything but it does a good job with load, stress and calories burned.

I did use the AW Ultra with Bevel and Gentler Streak. Can definitley recommend trying both apps on the free trial and see what fits your needs. Since I do not like to wear a watch in bed I‘ll stick to my Whoop for 24/7 tracking. Only use my AW when I need to record GPS (e.g. on water rowing).

I ditched my Apple Watch for whoop. Would not recommend I did a trial in summer of 2024 and used my main email address, but didn’t keep the device and sent it back at the end of the trial. I did another trial this summer using a secondary email, ended up liking the device the this time and decided to keep it, sold my Apple Watch, paid the $300, and I had WHOOP close my original account from 2024, so that I could update the email address on my current account (2025) to my primary email. Horrible mistake. This has completely bricked my account. I’ve been on the phone with WHOOP several times and we’ve been emailing over the last week trying to get back into my account, and there seems to be no fix available whatsoever. I can’t get on the account using my primary email, I can’t get on the account using my secondary email, and WHOOP recommended that I just make a new email address, stating that this would fix the issue. So I made a random email JUST for WHOOP, and they responded saying they updated the email address and that I should be able to login. I cannot. The account is still bricked, and I still cannot login. They’re also refusing to refund my money (even though I started my $300 membership just 57 days ago) but offered me a 1 month membership credit ON THE ACCOUNT THAT I CANNOT ACCESS.

Same, Whoop feels less lame.

Been using my Apple Ultra with Athlytic along with my whoop in comparison for the last 4-5months just incase whoop pulled this with the upgrade. Athlytic largely gets you all the data whoop does so they just made very easy mentally for me to cancel

I've got a Garmin, Fitbit, and Whoop...I honestly appreciate what each offers. If I had to be limited to one, it would be the Garmin...I'll refer to it as the Swiss Army knife as it covers all my needs more so than the other devices.

I think the whoop is worth the investment

Same thing happened to me. I just canceled my order completely. Especially after reading everyone else’s posts on here.

They said I had to wait for my order to be delivered, return it and then place another order with it included. My order wasn’t even processed yet, let alone shipped. Yet they couldn’t modify the order after it’s been placed. Seems like BS to me. Like I said, I tried to cancel the order completely but they couldn’t do it. So now I’ll just return it when I get it without placing another one after. I’m over whoop completely at this point. I’ll just wait until the new Apple Watch Ultra 3 and the new Apple fitness+ plans come out in the fall.

100% from a pure data collection perspective Whoop is the best due to that

Apple Watch for sure. I used my whoop for a while and the HR was wildly inaccurate. I could be sweating and tired on a high resistance portion on the bike and my HR would only show zone1-2….. I find my HR accuracy with my Apple Watch.

Whoop literally changed my life. It’s amazing. The people hating on it I have nothing better to do

Ive tried a few and here’s my feedback. Apple watch: it’s a smart watch not a fitness watch. It has improved recently (the latest models should be significantly more accurate than the one I had 4+ years ago) however for me personally it’s the distraction element that I do not like. I do not need another screen. Fitbit; data is ok for a beginner, but definitely not great or accurate for someone training 5-6x a week and combining cardio, sports, weights etc. Whoops: no screen which is a major + for me. Can wear it on wrist, bicep or underwear. Really good measurement of sleep and calculation of sleep/down time based on your daily activity. That helps a lot plan your sleep and have better recovery and as a consequence, perform great in the following day. I am quite curious to try Oura and Garmin (even though I’d hate to go back to screen wearables) maybe i’ll get one of them next year but so far, Whoop is 100% the best Fitness tracker out there imo. In addition, I’ve realized that in all High End resorts that I’ve been in the past 3 years, people wear 2 things: a rolex or a whoop 😂 so as a Henry I guess that’s a good indicator.

I have both a Garmin and a Whoop. Whoop provides invaluable data on recovery and sleep metrics, but doesn’t provide detailed workout analysis like a Garmin. I use Whoop recovery insights to determine how hard I push my training.

Had whoop for 2 years but just stopped using it. I bought a polar loop and very happy with that. No subscription and does the basics: sleep, hrv, strain very well

I didn’t get on with whoop - the band went loose when I swam and it would get HR cadence lock during running. After returning it before the end of my free trial I then noticed that 90+% of whoop users aren’t actually all that into sport/training, and all the really sporty people I know use a Garmin… says a lot.

Couple guys at my gym (myself included) use whoop

It really depends on context and sensor type. If you start a workout it samples why more often. In reality for me it doesn't matter in the end. Had Whoop for years, now Apple watch for 1 year and there is no difference in my fitness progression or sleep quality.

I have. I used to wear both but whoop only now, especially since they added step count to whoop. I like not having the screen.

Bicep strap with the Whoop. Been wearing it 24/7 for two years.

Good news is you can program your watch by either (or both) focus's and notifications. The watch isn't the same as whoop. But it gives you all of the same features depending on which subscriptions you have. They are all significantly less than whoop though. I frequently golf and was drawn to whoop years ago and I loved it. I learned a ton on what is good and what is bad for me. I cancelled shortly after the 4.0 drop because I already learned everything there is to know. But I still wanted the data. I just couldn't fathom spending an annual subscription that was as much as the Apple Watch itself when I didn't see Whoop trending in the right direction. Whoop 3.0 was it's peak. Once they started selling eye masks and new bands at a rate of 300% more than it was in the blink of an eye, I was out. I use; Bevel = $50/year Heart Analyzer = $9/one time fee HeartWatch = $6/one time fee AutoSleep = $6/one time fee Heart Analyzer and HeartWatch both offer V02 Max, Bevel will probably offer this in the future. All of the above offer HRV. AutoSleep measures HRV during sleep and upon waking (Breathe app is recommended which is free) The others track HRV through SDNN and RMSSD. Whoop tracks it more often, however you still get multiple readings per day with the other apps and can manually trigger it using the Breathe app. Bevel is the highest cost but also provides you: * Recovery score * Stress score * Energy bank * Sleep score * Sleep recommendations * Strain score * Strength builder * Journal * Lifestyle impact analysis * Training zones * complication/widgets for the watch Autosleep: * Automatic sleep detection * Plethora of sleep metrics and analysis * Sleep bank * Smart alarm

I was looking for a reason to drop whoop but based on the comments here and other places I've seen, im better off keeping whoop for now

How do you wear your whoop and your nice watch? That’s actually why I got a whoop. I’ve always had an AW and loved it but then I was gifted a high end watch that I want to wear regularly…

Yes I bought a whoop a couple of years ago with this in mind. This was a major selling point.

I use Whoop and have done for over 18 months. If you want to make lifestyle changes then whoop is the better of the 3. Long battery life (3 days) , charges on your arm, unnoticeable to wear and doesn’t feel like you’ve got a rock strapped to your wrist when you sleep. Will track things outside the gym such as sleep and stress which is probably two important factors as a HENRY. You can also purchase the bicep band, arm sleeve or boxers if you prefer. It has tonnes of data and graphs and fairly certain you can also export data files to do your own analysis on top. If you want someone purely performance based then garmin is better but lacks the above points.

Maybe not unique on the market, but there are only two serious players in it. Whoop is one the other makes a device that can’t be used while lifting.

Whoop on my left wrist and my BBPro on my right. I'm a lefty and I also wouldn't do a screened fitness tracker with an analog watch. I just got the the whoop a couple months ago and have been really happy with it 👍

I pre-ordered. This is fine for my needs, which includes being able to wear a nice watch from time to time without losing out on data, and using instead of my Vantage 1 when my V3 needs charging. I had Whoop for 8 years and am glad to be free of that. Like OP I don’t really understand the strategy of announcing months in advance. I don’t hate Flow as much as some do, but if they also improve that then great. All in all this is a decent addition if you have been in Polar ecosystem for a while, and might encourage some new users or people fed up of paying for Whoop’s incessant influencer marketing 🤣

Influencer marketing. They are first class at that.

Whoop was terrible for me. The basic HR metrics, which is the basis of all the analytics, were all over the place. I went to AW Ultra 2 and the Athytic app.

You'll get basically all the tracking (Apple will surely have blood pressure monitoring if Whoop does). And if you like the Whoop app's style of Strain, Sleep, journalling etc.. you can get an app like Bevel or Athlytic for a couple of bucks a month. Personally I'll be ditching my Whoop due to this pricing and using my Apple Watch with Bevel.

Hey, i just got one, its actually quite good, tracks well and the app isnt bad. Im not sure about the accuracy of the hrv spo2 and those variables but the step tracking and sleep track well (steps +-150 steps). I previously free trialed whoop, its obviously not as good but gives similar stats and has the screen free design. I do wish the app connected better to apple health, and give updates like strain. Also quick question about the running modes it says it has gps is that true? Overall great buy for cheap, does the job

Whoop seems to the fitness tracker most popular among watch enthusiasts. I refused to wear a smart watch, and whoop has been the solution.

A lot of people have the Whoop combined with Garmin! Some mainly use the Garmin for workouts (Eg. running) and the whoop for recovery insights. So it's totally possible! Recommend placing the Whoop on your bicep with a bicep band (order separately) so you have your other wrist empty :)

I'm with you. I wear a Whoop 24/7, and a Garmin 90% of the time. I just wish the data was all integrated. It feels especially silly when I'm wearing a Whoop on my right wrist, a Garmin on my left, and an Orangetheory armband on my left bicep when I workout there (the OTF armband allows me to see my HR stats live on the tread/big board during class).

Happy to know I’m not the only one why sleeps with multiple devices lol (AWU3, F8 Pro, Oura, Ultahuman and occasionally whoop) 😅

For me it is worth it. I have an Apple Watch s8 and had an Oura ring gen 4, I prefer the whoop over all of them.

Having had both, I far prefer the UI and breadth of data collected by Whoop. That said, I think either will realistically get the job done for a fitness-concerned individual.

I did Apple Watch forever but got tired of being “so connected” Moved to whoop a few months ago. It’s ok… not sure I love it or really understand everything it’s telling me, but it does the trick

I really like the journaling/tracking data on the whoop… how it shows you if intermittent fasting or alcohol affects your sleep and recovery. Do these apps allow you to do that w the Apple Watch?

I wear a whoop, which has similar features to the Oura ring, but is significantly safer when climbing. I wear the wrist band usually, but I have done the bicep band as well.

I wear a whoop on a bicep band and swap out my SMP for an Apple Watch when I go to the gym

When I was using my AW and whoop at CrossFit, the whoop auto tracked my workouts way better and it provided a felt like a more accurate assessment of the workout then my AW.

Neither is really giving you an accurate score. It’s an educated guess. Sometimes a fairly good educated guess, but still a guess. if you really want to track sleep… You need to be tracking brain waves. I have tried a few EEG (closest thing to PSG) headbands & the readings showed me that wearables like Whoop & AW are just guessing. They only moderately correlated. Honestly the sleep score on these devices are about one of the most inaccurate features considering how much weight many people put on them

I have had Oura for about 3 years. I recently got Whoop. They both have strengths & weaknesses. The biggest negative for Oura for me is that it needs charging about every second day. If you do any traveling it’s a pain. Oura also has a monthly fee. Whoop holds a charge for 2 weeks. I think Oura is inaccurate as to things like VO2 max. Whoop gives me more useful info for every thing but sleep. If I had to pick one it’s whoop

I've got a whoop because it can be worn in other places that are not as a watch.

Yes. Not completely in agreement but I trust the exercise metrics more on Garmin and the sleep/recovery more with Whoop. Borrowed an Apple Watch for a bit more than a week to see what it catches and it does get a lot of data. For me the presentation is not as easy to deal with as the others. Whoop has been quite useful for me to identify the dietary issues I have. Figuring out what I cannot eat without physical stress has been helpful. Renewing will depend on how Whoop treats customers. They are not making me feel like a valued customer and there is no value to keeping a subscription since Garmin is absolutely superior in recording training. They might be able to provide added value for tracking exercise if they allowed proper HR straps to pair for something like running, but they never will.

Whoop gives continuous heart rate monitoring, a wide range of data, allows broadcasting of heart rate, wireless charging while in use, has a haptic alarm and provides all of its findings in a visually appealing software package with AI that provides proper assessments. Additionally Whoop is simply comfortable to use 24/7. Whoop is expensive, yes, but it is the gold standard. It’s the one the others try to copy. But either you can afford it or not.

Love my Whoop but your assessment is right on. For many the Helio is a home run. Others of us prefer more. It’s good to have choices.

Sticking with the best all the others want to be: Whoop.

So am I. With the best!

Been excellent for me. Matched my Polar and Garmin. Expensive but Whoop simply the best. And it’s comfortable to wear, the most basic thing to check off.

Ich habe seit knapp 9 Monaten ein Whoop und ich finde es mittlerweile besser, als ich am Anfang erwartet hätte. Wenn ich es zum Black Friday nochmal für 199€ verlängert bekomme, wäre ich ein weiteres Jahr dabei und beobachte so lange, wie es mit Loop und Helio weiter geht. Was Whoop (für mich) ganz gut macht, sind die Insights, die ich aus dem täglichen Logbuch ziehe - da werd Verhalten im Alltag mit Erholung korreliert. Zu wissen, dass "Handy im Bett" sich negativ und Meditation positiv auf meine Erholung auswirkt, ist das eine - es in Zahlen zu sehen ist das andere. Mir hat es geholfen, mein Verhalten zu ändern. Das die offiziellen 260€ im Jahr dafür absolut lächerlich viel sind: keine Frage. Aber Gym ist mein Hobby und ich gebe ohnehin viel Geld dafür aus. Da sind die \~20€ im Monat eigentlich auch kein Genickbruch. Zumindest nicht im Moment. Auf lange Sicht hätte ich aber gerne was ohne Abo. Und Polar vertraue ich als Hersteller, dass sie wissen, wie man sowas baut und gleichzeitig würde ich ihnen beim Datenschutz etwas mehr trauen als Amazfit. Aber das ist mein persönlicher Bias. Bei Polar sieht die App auf den Screenshots ziemlich cringe aus. Amafit macht das scheinbar besser. Ob die so gut wie die Whoop App sind, müsste man sehen - ich habe aber Zweifel, weil die schon sehr slick ist. Gleichzeitig gehe ich jede Wette ein, dass Polar und Amazfit es sich nicht nehmen lassen werden, irgendwann auch einen "Premium Service" anzubieten, hinter dem dann zusätzliche Auswertungen versteckt werden. Das ist einfach viel zu lukrativ und verlockend.

Damals gab's nur eine und die entspricht dem heutigen "Peak". Die Variante ergibt meines Erachtens nach auch am meisten Sinn. "ONE" ist zwar ein bisschen günstiger, aber dafür fehlen Funktionen und das Ladegerät hat ein Kabel. Was super dumm ist. Denn ein wirklich praktisches Feature ist das kabellose laden: du lädst einen kleinen schwarzen Akkupack am Kabel auf, den du danach für \~20 Minuten "huckepack" auf das Whoop klemmst. In der Zeit lädt er dann das Whoop selbst kabellos auf. Danach kannst du den Pack wieder abnehmen und hast \~14 Tage (bei meiner Version 4.0 noch \~4 Tage) Ruhe. Man muss das Whoop selbst also nie abnehmen\*. Das gibt gibt's aber jetzt erst ab "Peak" "Peak" ist wie gesagt die neue Variante von dem, was ich habe. Würde ich wieder machen. "Life" hat genau drei Features mehr: Erkennung von Vorhofflimmern, EKG und Blutdruck. Letzteres ist von der Genauigkeit her eher so "meh", wie ich das verstanden habe. Das wäre mir die 150€ Aufpreis im Jahr nicht wert. So weit geht's dann mit dem "Ich gebe viel Geld für mein Hobby aus" doch nicht. ;) Meine Empfehlung: mach einen kostenlosen Probemonat, nimm die kostenlose 2-Wochen-Verlängerung am Schluss mit und schau, ob du daran Spaß hast. Und das noch als Kontext, weil die Nachricht ohnehin zu lang ist: Whoop hat es sich beim Wechsel von 4.0 zu 5.0 durch ein ziemlich ignorantes Verhalten mit einigen Fans verspielt. Ich war auch enttäuscht. Darum wird spannend sein, ob und wie sie auf die neuen Player im Markt reagieren. \*... wobei grade das standard-band nach dem duschen sehr lange nass bleibt. Ich habe mir bei Temu (seufz, ich weiß) für 9€ pro Stück Ersatzbänder ("SportFlex"-artig) bestellt und wechsle regelmäßig.

After 3.5 years with Whoop I'm well aware of how my body reacts to anything, so the usefulness of the device is not there anymore. I also got a good understanding of how to train, what amount to strain to take on, etc. And overall pricing is just too much at this point for me. I simply don't get enough value for the money.

Yeah. Tbh, I don't even know what I would add to the device, because at this point it seems that with these sensors and tech we kinda reached the limit of what's possible. And even so, Whoop is not that accurate. If it was cheaper I would probably stay, but current pricing is ridiculous imo. Having said that, I also understand that for some people it is worth it, especially for those who joined just recently, because the novelty is there, and there is a lot to discover about your body. Btw, I didn't know Oura also had a coach. I'll have a look :) Maybe Oura + Helio would make a nice combo!

I love my whoop - enjoy

Garmin or Whoop. I wore a whoop for a little over four years and learned a lot about myself. Good luck with the choice and let us know how it goes!

App functionality was good, especially since they added their “strength tracker” w hypertrophy movements. My biggest gripe was with the sleep tracker. Just didn’t match up w how I felt but the strain and HR tracker was great.

I'm pretty disappointed. The only reason I still have whoop is because it doesn't have a screen and I can wear it in boxers when I'm doing judo or other activities where you can't wear a watch. Anyone know any? Definitely think I'm going to cancel as soon as my sub is up. Just not worth it. Someone has to come up with a competitor soon right?

I hear ya. I use tracking devices because I think improving HRV is important. That's pretty much it. I never use calorie function (not a fan of CICO) and I wear an analogue watch so I don't want a smart watch type device. I did try Whoop for a month and came to exactly the same conclusion as you.

Me too! I'm trying not to think about how much I've paid over the years but Whoop checks all my boxes compared to competitors. I got a Garmin watch to see if it would replace Whoop but I just can't sleep with it at night, the slim firm of Whoop wins there plus their sleep data doesn't seem accurate compared to Whoop. My hands are too small for a bulky Oura ring and I'm an Android user so no apple watch for me. I do admit, if I was in a worse financial situation, Whoop would have to go.

I go with Whoop > Apple Watch the data for what I care about is better and my work pays for it

Whoop is a great all-round device and works great for me as a general fitness and recovery tracker. Probably not the best for Running or cycling as you don't get the detailed stats like you would in other devices like Garmin or Apple Watch and no GPS data unless you carry your phone with you. If those are not issues for you I'd say stick with it if you can stomach the cost. If you want to save money get the Amazfit Helio strap. It's 99 USD, has great battery life and has most the functions of the Whoop but the app UX is not as polished as Whoop's app.

I switched from Ultrahuman to Whoop. Ultrahuman is garbage btw, I ran through 3 rings in under a year. Also they lost the lawsuit to Oura so there might be support issues in the future in the US.

I agree, my whoop under counts HR by 10-20 BPM while exercising,  making most of its metrics worthless to me

That’s why I left whoop. The sensor quality is awful and the sensor inputs are manipulated heavily with software. My point of reference is I had a polar for years, the old one that came with a watch. It worked the second you started running or lifting. I hate the fact that the sensor needs time to calibrate to get a comparable reading to a polar. The software driven stuff is just nonsense to me, but maybe I am “old school”.

Whoop is absolutely great at sleep tracking. Health less and for fitness is not that good.

I did trial and it wasnt for me..definitely recommend to all newbies to try 30 day trial.

Apple Watch isn’t constantly tracking, whereas Whoop is. Whoop provides a much greater analysis of data collected - granted you can get apps on Apple Watch like Bevel and Athlytic, but these are subscription based on top of your watch cost. Apple Watch requires charging every day which most people do at night so it isn’t a good sleep tracker - unless you take it off during the day to charge which is annoying. 14 days battery life on Whoop. Also, Whoop is for people who don’t want a smart watch. I don’t want notifications on my wrist or a giant screen. I wear mechanical watches and having a slim device I forget it on my wrist is pretty great.

I had an Apple Watch before whoop and both aren’t ideal at spikes tbf - again, it’s the optic technology. I use an ECG band if I want a true reading.

Whoop wearer here. The Whoop is a fantastic piece of kit (ignore the negativity on that sub, it’s toxic) BUT what I will say is that any optic HR reader (one that shines a green light and records the response rate) will not perform nearly as well as an electric heart rate monitor like the Polar H10. This uses electric pulses to record your HR and is pretty much spot on. With Whoop, Garmin, Apple Watch, the HR is only as good as the reader can guestimate.

Not comparable. Whoop takes heart rate every second and produces zillion more datapoints compared to what takes a measurement every 7 minutes or so

I tried Whoop and Apple Watch. In general, I think it might just be around your WOD habits. I find myself more focused on the tasks and technique needed and/or strategy when not using a tracker. Plus, if you use any kind of grips or wrist wraps it’s not efficient to get all that together. My 2 cents: get a WOD tracker app like BTWB and log your reps, weights and workouts. It’s oddly not perfect but, if you want some sort of tracking going that’s good. TLDR: whoop is expensive and will tell you that you are exhausted when you are obviously exhausted (listen to your body). apple watch is expensive and I was sceptical of the durability when using various weight types.

I wear a Whoop while I play. If you're not keen on it being on your wrist they offer a myriad of alternative methods to mount the sensor, but Ive never had issues with it staying in place on my wrist. Sits under the guard on my glove. 

Did the same a while back and now back at whoop. There’s something more premium about whoop that I can’t put my finger on tbh. I get a sense of enjoyment looking at the whoop app that I just didn’t get from bevel, I just felt overwhelmed with the data it gave me. 

Phelps wore a much earlier version in the Olympics, and still wears his. And it’s only improved since then, significantly. It knows the precise minute I start and stop my swims. I find it very precise.

I literally just posted a survey for a project I am working on to solve this problem!! [<<>>](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSetAuuxIe62QCdQ23KdedEPaghJ5TOdiiO25420V6CHCSIh2w/viewform?usp=dialog) We also are raffling prizes for those that complete it :) I usually use Strava because I also run a lot. Sometimes Whoop as well but feel like it never captures my strain correctly.

Whoop I think is the best for CrossFit and not just running. The strain Metric is best for lifting workouts. Journaling features really helped me see what types of behaviors have positive and negative effects. The price point is what made me quit using it. It was fine for running also, but you never got miles or steps, just a strain score. I use a FITBIT inspire now. It was the cheapest, lightest, and longest lasting wearable on the market. The steps feature was more useful for me in regards to overall activity outside of the gym. It does sleep, heart rate, and distance well. It even has a "daily readiness" score similar to Whoops recovery score.

I got whoop mostly to try to help me track/work on my stress levels... So this is appealing to me!

Im a long time Apple Watch user, and spent some time with whoop, never thought apple would let any 3rd party access the data their devices collect. That is a game changer, ill give bevel a try

I choose Whoop with the understanding future hardware would be included. This feels like false advertising now in hind-site?

I’d say Whoop is more of a lifestyle tracker first, then gym and cardio tracker second. It doesn’t really pick up any of my gym workouts consistently so i always make sure to manually start them.

Yes! Same— well marathons. I need the insights Whoop provides. I will say however that the most accurate HR monitor I have is my Garmin HRM Pro but I’m not gonna wear that thing all day and night. Plus Whoop has a community, I am a part of a “team” that is very active on chat which motivates and inspires me. I have an Apple Watch which dies too quickly. I also have a Fenix 8 which is clunky as hell.

Same here The price and app are disappointing. Just bought another year of whoop.Hoping Helio or loop 2 do better

Its matter of health vs activity tracking. I am long time garmin user and tried whoop for years. Whoop puts more focus on your health rather then training. It makes sleep recovery focal point vs fitniess activities. You can try your lifestyle and see its impact.. alcohol, screentime, sex, varies foods, mental state and it will incorporate that and give you feedback. Compared to garmin which focus onyour runs or biking etc and helping you improve those activities and become a better athlete.

I used whoop for 2yrs but after 6mon felt like I no longer need it. Once you understand your life style its not really needed.

I returned it due to the cost and bought a Fitbit. The whoop was way more accurate and less buggy

Whoop is great. I've been wearing one nearly 4 years now. I don't always check it every day, but I keep it on my wrist and charged constantly- I never take it off so the data is always there when I want it. Some of the recent drama was pretty justified, but most of it is a big entitled overreaction. Sensor accuracy is perfectly fine for anyone looking to hold themselves accountable or improve fitness. It does not replace actual medical devices for getting that last 3% of performance out of a pro athlete. Whoop has 2 unbeatable features, the charging and the method of displaying the data. The charging is on-wrist which is amazing for consistency. If you never take it off, you never forget to put it back on. The app is very well done (for the most part) and gives access to almost anything you'd want.

Whoop can track activities, however it's not a great activity tracker. You'll also want to see live metrics on your wrist during runs if you are taking it seriously. Need a proper watch for this.

Whoop is not a great activity tracker. Outside wellness and recovery features, having your live stats on the watch is extremely valuable and Whoop doesn’t have a screen.

Just my opinion, but use a dedicated running app. I use Whoop to measure and provide feedback on “overall” performance and recovery, rather than the granular details of my activities. Yes it’s multiple apps, but they all have their purposes and specialties, while being individually good at each of them. Adding features dilutes this specialization, making the whole ethos less effective in the long run. This need to have Whoop dig into the details is what’s causing all the issues and distaste for Strength Trainer. If we insist on the details, we might as well have it start tracking my rowing strokes and splits, golf strokes, yardage and handicap, hiking elevation, and my “other” strokes. Again, just my opinion.

I’ve been an AW user since first launch. In 2017 I’ve tried to switch to Garmin and till 2025 I’ve used both periodically. This year I’ve bought whoop as I thought that it will help me to be fit and train better than before looking at recovery and sleep data. But… Honestly these things influence on my activity behaviour negatively in comparison with the time when I did not track it. The same shit with apps like bevel and athlytic. Common, I understood how was my sleep night before, had I junk food in my dinner, did i trained too much yesterday. But now it influenced on my plan for the day. I’m not a pro sportsmen, I just cycle for fun, do gym and walk for a leisure. I am not CR7 or Sabalenka to go in such deep detail. Now I’ ve deleted all apps such bevel, gifted whoop to friend and you know - I am free. And I train with a good mood.

It can track activities if you keep your phone with you. Wouldn’t recommend, I use my whoop for tracking strain and mainly recovery. Check out coros, I got a pace 3 just over 1 month ago and it works very well. I kinda wonder if the pace pro would’ve been a better fit for me because of the better screen but compared to my Apple Watch the pace 3 is a game changer

Same.. whoop on Right .. BB on left

As a Whoop user, I'd say it's "good", not great, at everything. However, it truly is great at showing you the data and how you can improve. 

I don't recommend the Oura ring or any watches. Look into something like Whoop, or for a less expensive option, Polar Verity Sense.

Whoop pushes HR to equipment and has better sensors than the Loop

Yes. Whoop on the right. Bb58 on the left. Would not wear a watch style tracker, mind

the HR on the Whoop is terrible .. only way to make it accurate is on Bicep, wrist HR is miles better on Helio. Plus the price is insane for what you get.

I've used Apple Watches since they were introduced and I've had an original AWU since it first shipped. I was also using a Whoop for three years but changed that to a Fenix 8 in May. I've been very happy with the Garmin for its fitness and health capabilities, but its software maturity and UI is a big drop from what Apple offers. Unlike you, the non-fitness aspects of the AWU are super important to me and things like texting and notifications on the Fenix are pretty poor. So I just wear both, all the time! I've been very happy.

I switched from WHOOP to Garmin. Never looked back. And I'm a data freak. But with WHOOP I felt like a slave to my data, while Garmin is more like a feedback source. Biggest difference for me was with heart rate data. Whoop shows you how much you've spent in a certain threshold. Garmin does that and also shows you exactly how your heart rate changed over time. That way you clearly see how you perform in intervals, marathons, sprints and mixed trainings. I got WHOOP hoping to get my stress under control. I haven't been able to track it there. Meanwhile, in Garmin you get alerts if your heart rate spikes out of the blue. And that's exactly what I was looking for.

I was in your shoes this time last year and I ended up getting the Whoop on the black friday sale. So here is my takeaway: Whoop was ideal as my priority was tracking Sleep & recovery - as I traveled a lot and had quite a stressful time. so that was more important to me than my running metrics. Having said that I then did use my ancient Garmin Fenix 3 to track runs and have my pace and distance on my wrist which is useful especially when starting out so you hit your target pace. But Recovery and HRV etc was always more important. A combination you'll find lots of Whoop users do. I recommend such a dedicated recovery device to anyone and liken it to tracking calories. It's good to get a good overview and insight into your life - even if it isn't forever. Like a mental calibration So after one year now for example I will NOT be extending my whoop and go with a cheaper/ less dedicated option like the Helios etc. So if you want to get the "best"/market leading for the first year to see how you go and to really learn your patterns etc. I can definitely recommend Whoop, as you know what you are getting and most others have consideral cut backs/aren't as accurate etc. etc.

Frequency does not equal accuracy and reliability. HR reading on Whoop are known for being absolutely aweful. Better having an accurate reading every 5 minutes than multiple bad readings every seconds. That being said, it's a shame because Whoop has awesome software and data analysis, but makes it somehow unusable because of bad hr data in. If HR accuracy is not a problem for you, and only follow "very general trends", yeah Whoop is a cool product. But if you are at some minimal point serious about HR accuracy, for real sport / performance / improvment, you cannot relly on it. It's not about being a hater or not, it's about having a "tool" that really works or not for your needs, or simply works (or not) as advertised it should. People here tends to either be in love with Whoop blindlesly and spitting on every proven negative fact about it, or hate it to the bones.

You are saying that getting "constant tracking' makes it a good device. It's just not. If my harte rate is at about 80 bpm over an hour ; If a Polar device, Garmin, apple watch says it's at 80 with readings every minute or so, and whoop says 65 every seconds, your "constant readings" are not worth anything. Garbage in, garbage out. Not saying that other brands are perfect, they is always an error margin at some point, but other brands are way much closer to what an ECG would read, which is a known reliable reference. That has been scientifically tested over and over. And a bpm is not a subjective measure, it's a physically occuring event. Even counting it manually with a timer and my finger on my neck would be more accurate. Anyone saying otherwise are just not able to think objectily and understand simple *facts*, and are just too much in love with the brand for some reason, or matbe in the bias if trying to justify the price they pay . Like I said, Whoop has a lot of positives : But their linear HR sensors are poor quality, and not the ideal way of positioning them (VS circular patern). Else, they would be a 10/10 tbh, comfortable and minimal bands, awesome software and all...but well... Give poop the a jeweler ; don't expect a golden necklace

You make a good point here. For day to day usage, an apple watch would miss it indeed. Not much in love with Apple Watch either, in fact I generally like garmin watches better for sports, but only like AW for ecosystem integrations and notifications. On activity tracking modes reading are much more closer though, but yeah, not all physical effort are "planned" with tracking turned on prior.

Whoop and galaxy watch 7

Worn in the wrist or bicep, I learned that the Helio strap is so much better than Whoop with its heart rate data. The Helio caught my highest HR peaks during workouts where the Whoop would not (compared to my Polar H10 chest HR strap connected to my Garmin. Also compared to my AW Ultra 2 on my wrist). This was enough for me to cancel my whoop subscription because all of my workout data was missing most of my Zone 4 and Zone 5 data, making the data feeding the Whoop algorithms, and this it’s strain numbers, inaccurate).

Literally all Apple has to do is release a device without a screen. It’s the reason most people want a whoop 

Honestly don’t see the point of these things. After 3 months of the whoop I could really easily predict my numbers. It’s simple. Alcohol bad. Late exercise bad. Late eating bad. More sleep is good. Nothing personal about it  A year later I cancelled it

I use a Whoop with the whoop underwear. It's pricey and I kind of regret getting it but it's been cool tracking my rolls. I don't know what to do with the information though.

U2 or s11 for a returning user? Background, I used to use the s6 before switching to a whoop. I've finally decided to come back to the apple watch. I use it just to track my gym workouts. I'm getting the ultra 2 for 550 euros and the new s11 for 470. Suggestions?

My Whoop was very off as a sleep tracker. I have insomnia and often lie for a very long time not sleeping and my watch always thought I was asleep. So that meant all my data for the next day which was based on how well I slept was completely wrong. Sometimes it would say I slept 7 hours when I know I slept three or four.

I used whoop for a while and it was nice

Coming up on 4 years with whoop, will be canceling and switching to garmin, no tolerance for this

I’ve been a whoop wearer for coming up on 5 years next month. The monthly plan is super annoying, I agree. And they handled the 5.0 release in May in a really sh*tty way which really turned me off from them. My membership is paid through June 2026 so I may reevaluate at that time, but it’s going to be hard to give up whoop because I love having a screenless device, the personalized insights, and the seamless UI. I always bought my membership plans when it was on sale (18 months for $18 month) which is why I’m paid up through June. If you can wait until Black Friday, they’ll probably have a similar offer. That being said, once I got into running and realized I didn’t want to run with my phone with me to listen to music, I also got a Garmin Forerunner 145 music. I don’t really use it for anything but to connect my AirPods and for the suggested daily workouts for the length of my runs. So… I am one of those people that wears two fitness bands like an a**hole. I also gave the Apple Watch Ultra a try about a year and a half ago and hated it so much I returned it. I really wanted to like it because I’m a huge Apple snob and have all of the products, so figured it would be an easy sell for me. But I genuinely did not like it. It was clunky, I could never get Spotify to work properly, and it was just a nuisance to work with. For the price point it should have been a seamless experience. I’ve never had issues with either my whoop or Garmin and in my 10 day trial of the Apple Watch I didn’t have a single day without some issue. Just my two cents!

I use both 🤷‍♀️. When I’m in Ironman training I do Garmin + whoop and when I’m not training, but just workout out - lifting, cycling, casual running etc I do whoop + Apple or just whoop. There is a time and place for each. Apple is great when I’m more casually working out and still want to run without my phone etc and use it for work for notifications so I don’t miss calls from my kids school, Garmin is great for performance metrics - running, swimming, cycling but year around it’s overkill unless you are training for some event, don’t want to constantly see I’m “detraining” or losing fitness, like I can’t be in Ironman shape 24/7. Whoop may be gimmicky, call it what you will, but stress monitor I love and whoop age is motivating for me. Think of these things as tools. If they benefit/fit into your life use them, if not let them go

This is awesome! Thank you. I’m planning on wearing Apple Watch series 10, fenix 8 and Whoop this upcoming weekend during IronMan 70.3 very excited to see the results so I know which ones to keep. I have Oura ring gen 3 but not even planning on wearing it since Apple Watch feeds it all the metrics. I’m hoping this will help me narrow it down to 1 device 😂 + oura for sleep

Whoop and Amazfit Helio.

This is gonna sound like a non-answer answer, but it depends on what you want. I have a WHOOP and a Garmin Fenix 5X, so I’ll compare! WHOOP is significantly better at tracking my HR, sleep, recovery (most of the time, sometimes it tells me it’s low but doesn’t tell me much past that), and calories burned based on HR. They also added steps and a new feature where you can track weight training, but the feature needs work. It’s not very user friendly right now but that specific aspect of WHOOP is fairly new, I’ve had it for about 3 years. Garmin is good for most of that same stuff. It’s great tracking your HR for runs, but if you’re a CrossFit/HIIT/interval trainer, it’s inaccurate because it doesn’t stay against your skin well during all the movement without being too tight. I’ve counted my pulse at 150-160 while my Garmin is reading it at 74, which throws off your strain and actual calories burned. If cost is also a factor, Garmin is better. A one time $200-$400 is a GOOD Garmin, though you can get into the $700-$800 range, and I’ve had my Garmin for 6 years. WHOOP right now is $230 a year as a subscription. If I had to choose one as purely a fitness tracker, I’d choose WHOOP 100/100 times. The insights it gives you - if used correctly - are awesome.

Yeah curious what you went with? I just freakin got this Whoop and chose it over a Garmin but when my subscription runs out I'll get Garmin. I wouldn't mind having the watch face tbh.

This was my understanding when I got a Whoop at the start of the year. I'd heard the rumors of a 5.0 but figured, why wait I'm going to get the free upgrade anyway. Should have known to never trust a company.

Their own videos and blog posts said upgrades were free ffs. There's gotta be a lawyer in the sub that can make a class action false advertising case. Seems pretty open and shut.

Apple blows at this. I feel like my whoop is an accurate assessment but Apple is off by a mile.

I have a whoop and I just wrap my wraps right over it

I’ve worn the Whoop for over 1200 days in a row including every roll I’ve done in that time and not had any issues. It has an arm sleeve and it has worked great.

Apple Watch with Athlytic. Very similar to Whoop. I wear both AW and Whoop together and really like both.

I got myself a whoop earlier this year, and compared the two during my workouts (UW1), its actually pretty wild how much apple watch will overstate your calories burned, even after a clean on the sensor, some workouts where the whoop tells me i burned 600 calories, watch tells me i did 900 calories. That is a significant difference, especially when you are trying to plan out nutrition goals/fitness goals. Honestly I don't even wear mine outside of just tracking workouts. Whoop gives me better sleep insights, and overall health insights that the UW simply doesn't provide. Apple Intelligence could change that, but seems like it won't be anytime soon.

I believe whoop does not use the generally accepted BMR formulas, and instead use their own "proprietary" formula to calculate BMR, as the commonly used formulas “grossly overestimate light to moderate exercise”. Obviously nothing will be 100% in calculating calories burned, but i'd rather plan out my meals/goals with the mindset that i am probably not "burning" as much as my AW says, and that isn't a bad approach all things considered if apple watch is actually correct. I mean sometimes when i'm doing a light lift, apple watch will tell me i'm burning 300 - 400 calories, and I'm barley breaking a sweat, but then whoop will say i only burned around 120-150 calories during that session, to me something just seems suspiciously off with how apple calculates BMR. In general if you are looking to lose weight/build fitness, a more conservative approach to what whoop is offering me probably makes more sense.

My wife got burned by her Whoop in a similar fashion last year and they did nothing besides deny, deny, deny then try to cancel her membership. They said things like "their sensor logs indicated there was never any indication there was an issue with the whoop device". Kinda hard to believe when there was a whoop burn imprinted into my wife's wrist that perfectly matches the whoop she was wearing on the same wrist. Then they went no contact.

I use Whoop. Have been for over a year and have had no issues. I wear the arm sleeve during regulars training, sports bra when competing and wrist band day to day. It’s been great for balancing strain/recovery/sleep. I train BJJ 4-5x, lift 4x, run 3x, and try to do recovery activities (walk, yoga, pilates) 3x per week… so having Whoop tell me which days I should go harder or lighter has made such a difference in my training regiment!

HR and Steps are off for me, HR being the big one since that’s the main metric driving other metrics. When I’m sweating and huffing and puffing doing cardio and Whoop says my heart rate is 110bpm, that’s a bit sus. Lots of ppl reporting this too.

But you can sell your AW to offset some of the cost of a newer version. More than you can say for Whoop unfortunately, where not only is the device worthless without a subscription, but you have to pay even more to upgrade.

I’ve loved my Whoop for many years

I’ve used almost all of them at some point. Whoop is by far the best.

I use Whoop, I believe it’s an option to where that places other than wrist.

Yes, there is a lot of it so I do find myself only paying attention to some of it so as to not become overwhelmed. The sleep side of things in particular is enlightening and I’m finding it’s impacting my decision making and causing me to be more intentional with regard to my sleep.

I prefer the whoop because of the way better battery life. Two weeks compared to two days is a huge difference for someone like me who doesn't wanna be charging too frequently because I keep forgetting about it

I used whoop for a few years and it’s fine. You can get bicep bands so they aren’t as visible. They also have some underwear options so it goes under the waistband, and other options that aren’t as visible. It’s the same core you can swap between different bands and formats so you can get wrist straps too and swap it between formats. The best aesthetic for a tracker is invisible so this beats any other options IMO.

I returned my Whoop yesterday. Had it for a month. Back to AWU. I loved the concept of Whoop, but the data is ultra inaccurate. Like really. Not even close. Therefore I had to make a decision... If that will be fixed one day, I'd like to come back to Whoop though.

This is what I do and have been doing with various sports for years. You can broadcast to a Garmin if you have both, just like with any other heart rate monitor, and I've found Whoop most comfortable to sleep with so you get full recovery stats too.

I used to use the Whoop. There is an arm band that I would wear. I lift/run/bjj and do MMA, so essentially, I was never recovered. The issue I had is that there's a subscription fee and I eventually stopped paying it, realizing that I never actually was recovered.

I enjoy the whoop as a low profile, low noise, alternative to my apple watch. But the apple watch was better at tracking my fitness. However I couldn't wear my nice watches with my apple watch and it was noisy. I prefer the whoop.

Honestly, there's a TON of overlap between Whoop and any other tracker you need. It'll have your HR and HRV, recovery scores, and target strain. The ability to broadcast HR to your phone should let you cover runs and bike rides in strava. Look into various Garmin options if you want something that can record multisport events, I think Coros can do those too. But if you just want something for easy workout tracking that records swim laps and ride/run HR + GPS route, a cheap Fitbit would do the trick as well. Personally, I use a Whoop plus a Garmin Fenix. The whoop is overkill, honestly, since Garmin has a "body battery" recovery metric and can tell you how hard to go with the training on any given day. I use the Whoop because I deal with behaviors very similar to exercise bulimia and I need something that literally tells me, "you've worked hard enough today, it is time to stop." If I didn't need that, a Garmin would absolutely be sufficient on its own.

I had an Apple Watch when I got a whoop about 3 weeks ago. I wear my whoop at all times, as the data presentation is better. I also get to wear my regular watches. For running , I lie to wear my Apple Watch as it is better for tracking my pace and displaying my heart rate. I hate looking at my phone for that. As for strength training I am stilll figuring it out, as the Apple Watch is really good for timers (rest time).

I really like my Oura ring. That said, if you can tolerate how ugly the Whoop is, I found the data to be more useful.

Same. Cancelled the whoop and am now doing zero gadgets.

I tried the Whoop, returned it, and bought a Garmin Watch.  No way I was going to pay a subscription for something that won’t even tell me the time.  Hopefully I can keep the watch long enough to be cheaper than the subscription. I use the Sleep Score and HRV almost daily.  I’ve made some life changes that have improved both and made training better.  Ya you could do those improvements without the metrics, but it’s cool to see they worked.  Also HRV def gives me warning signs of fatigue and overtraining.  That impacts how much I focus on recovery.

I went mountainbiking yesterday and at the end of the trail there is a very challenging climb, Whoop said my heartrate was 110-120 while it felt like my heart was beating out of my chest...

Sleep data is great with the right tools - SleepWatch on AppleWatch is fantastic for seeing deviations from the usual baseline. Giving insights and recommendations and ideal bedtimes. It’s great to see how a good a workout improves sleep metrics whilst alcohol absolutely destroys it. Once you see this it’s hard to ignore. All of that said, AppleWatch now has an onboard app called ‘vitals’ which basically does the above and shows things in a nice simple format. I’ve had a Whoop and felt it best for those who train a lot of cardio and utilise the rest/recovery feature.

I was looking forward to this but it says it dosnt have an alarm. One of the things I love about my whoop is having the alarm vibrate to wake me up instead of my phone yelling at me in the morning. Guess I’ll try something different

I’ve had a Venu 3 for about a year. I like it a lot but the sensors are trash, sleep tracking is inaccurate, the connectivity to iPhone is annoying, and the app really sucks. I have also worn a whoop for the last year and much prefer the app, data parsing, and experience. Today I bought an AWU2 and I’m so stoked. It immediately felt better and the connectivity to phone is so much better. Sensors are much better. Continuous HRV tracking through the day. Much more scientifically rigorous sleep metrics.. SO much more functionality it’s night and day. The battery thing will suck. With Bevel app advancements this will easily replace my whoop and garmin tho and simplify my life while allowing me to be farther from my phone which is killer.

I wear a Whoop fitness tracker 24/7. It’s just a fitness tracker and doesn’t have any special Parkinson’s related features. It does track my sleep which I find helpful in getting me to focus on trying to do better. I also use it to track all my fitness activities. I use a couple of apps to track my fitness activities and I have a tracker app on my phone. I think some sort of basic fitness tracker is a must have for anyone with Parkinson’s given how important exercise and movement are to addressing Parkinson’s. There’s an old adage that things that get measured tend to get more attention so if you measure your fitness activities, you’re more likely to do more with more focus. If you get an Apple Watch, you get fitness tracking plus the added benefit of having some apps which are a little more focused specifically on Parkinson’s.

I hope you like your Garmin, I felt like the heart rate monitor was absolutely terrible on x2 tactical, no where near any of my Apple Watch’s or whoops. I’m excited To have ecg on a whoop.

I had a normal Apple Watch with Athlytics ~2 years ago to see if I was done w/ Whoop and it just did not cut the mustard. I actually really like Whoop and I’m gonna stick with it because it just works. It’s less finicky, unobtrusive, and it just does almost everything without my input. I don’t need to do any breathing exercises in order to clock my data for a proper score, battery lasts 5 days, etc. That might not be the case anymore, but, I just want my fitness tracker to do one thing. Like many, I didn’t buy the WHOOP for the subscription model and free device. I bought it to keep it simple while getting insights. Maybe I should be upset that I had to pay $75 for their top o’ da line device, but I also kinda don’t give a shit because it fits so seamlessly into my life in a way that nothing else really has. Glad you’re enjoying the ultra.

Hahah, I get asked alot about wearing two watches together. I love my analogue watches so whoop allows me to wear it.

Not really, Apple does a great job when it comes to sleep tracking but whoop in general has given me accurate data compared to apple. I tried both once together and whoop gave me accurate timing of my wake event.

I guess the tracking capabilities of whoop is better. My Apple watch used to show a-lot more calorie burn when I used to finish my workout, whoop is pretty accurate when it comes to that because you have to wear it 24x7, even when it’s charging you can wear it.

Yes it’s the same thing. In India it’s 30k per year. I got it from USA for 32k for two years.

I know, bro, but I use the watch, and I have experienced it. Prior to using this watch, I did not experience frequent headaches as I did not have data with me. I used to ignore it, but I know that I have all the data in the world, and my body works according to data.

Like you i have the F8 and Whoop. F8 is great for specific activities with granular detail when you record it. Whoop measures Strain all day long without you having to manually record it everything. E.g. a strenuous gardening activity, walking the dog all gets recorded (you have to assign these if it is not auto assigned by Whoop) without me having to consciously press record. F8 can't do that. So in every single day, Whoop records your daily wellness and activity levels. Far more useful information than metrics for a specific activity (F8 is great for training metrics so it has its place). I should add that assigning strain to a specific activity ain't important to me either. A day score is enough to tell me how active i have been. That and sleep data - much easier to understand. The HRV readings are not far off from each other (F8 vs Whoop). Will probably renew.

This is Reddit - it's full of rage echo chambers and stages for narcissistic collapses. It's the place you go when you want someone to witness (and validate) your latest tantrum. It's also very entertaining for the rest of us. Whoop is great imo, one of the best of the bunch. Will be renewing my subscription for a third year soon.

Do you wear the swim cover for your band? Even when I make mine as tight as possible it’s still super inaccurate when tracking my swims

I found with the whoop it massively reinforced what I already knew and because there was actual data around it made me make changes to my lifestyle which I would otherwise have just rationalized away. Top examples were alcohol or a really salty takeaway/meal late at night, both had horrendous impacts on my sleep, heart rate and HRV, so much so that I had to make the conscious decision to want to impact my body like that rather than just pretend it's not happening. For you to get everything out of it you need to use the journal religiously.

I have defended Whoop a million times to people who have queried the billing structure. I just have no leg to stand on now. The technology is excellent and I really want it. But there is no way I'll be paying the upgrade fee. I'll be awaiting the next Apple Watch to see if it has what I'm after. Very disappointed. 3 years of excellent service (in my opinion) only to be utterly money grubbed.

I switched from a whoop to a Garmin with a chest strap and love it

I like my Garmin Fenix. Someone here pointed out that grips stop the workout and that’s true. Straps and grips and a certain angle can hit that button and it sucks. Other than that it does its job really really well. I hate whoop though. It being maybe 3% more accurate with some metrics isn’t enough for me to have to wear the whoop and watch (smart or otherwise). Couple that with the subscription cost. It’s just not worth it for your everyday/local comp person. They’re all trash if you have tattoos on your wrist though. The internal HR monitor struggles there. I use a chest strap or just rotate the watch to the inner part of my wrist.

What actually still intrigues me about the Loop is that I have greater trust in Polar’s capability of providing useful, accurate insights with their algorithms. For example regarding sleep, workouts, HRV etc. Especially compared to Amazfit, which I have a hard time feeling the same trust for. And for that I’d be willing to miss some other bells and whistles. I want research backed insights, not an extra few % better HR accuracy. If I am ignorant for thinking Polar provides that, I don’t know. Needless to say, their app needs a heavy redesign. And it’s too bad that they didn’t up their game on battery life, ANT+/extra BT connection, Elixir sensor etc. But those things might not be dealbreakers for me. And with the app update being in the pipeline I am a little less put off. The biggest downside to me, from what I’ve heard, is that the auto detection for activities seems quite bad and that you can’t retroactively assign activities. Especially if it’s the case that the HR data then isn’t contributing to your “activity/strain” data for the day… With the Loop being cheaper than one year of Whoop subscription, and arguably more trustable than Amazfits interpretation of the data, it’s still an option to me. I am currently on a Whoop trial though and I reallyyy like it so far, but I do think it’s a little too expensive, especially since I don’t like how they interpret HRV (acute, high changes are always better - not true). If they would’ve interpreted it like HRV4Training or Morpheus do, I could potentially go for it. And I might anyway since everything else is really quite good…

Apple Watch is better than Whoop and always has been in my opinion. The benefit of Whoop for me was being screenless and allowing me to wear dress watches without losing health tracking. If you aren’t into that, Apple is a no brainer in my opinion.

As a 24/7 device I think it’s the best on the market right now. I really like their clothes too. The only downer is the cost but the app is worth it for me in the end. I see it as health spending not a watch or gadget.

Haha I had to pay £80 for a replacement as I lost my whoop last week. No mention to me of the new versions. What a scam.

Not exactly answering your question but if fitness tracking is your main thing I use whoop. It’s screen less and pretty discrete looking. I wear this on my right wrist and an analog watch on my left. You can also wear it on your upper arm under your shirt to be completely hidden.

That doesn’t help you when doing anything other than movement with the arm you are wearing the whoop on. I’ve found it to be unreliable.

I use a Whoop because I was taking my Apple Watch off due to it interfering with wrist wraps, grips, front rack position, and kettlebell work. The Whoop is low profile and it can take a beating. It slides up my wrist easily and is out of the way when I have my wraps and grips on.

Had a not of AWs. Both Ultra and also have the AW10 titanium. Only wear my Tudor and Whoop on the other hand. Love it. Waiting on the new Polar. No subscription and enabled import into Apple Health.

For those of you considering an Apple Watch - no matter the flavor, you will be disappointed. It offers nowhere near the granularity of WHOOP. It is very generalized data that they do not display in meaningful ways. I am brand new to WHOOP. I absolutely love it. I have been an Apple Watch guy since they released. I tried every app out there, nothing provides the level of detail and actually pretty freaking good AI recommendations and break downs of my metrics. I’m just sorry I didn’t jump on WHOOP earlier. My son had one and I thought he was being a dork to wear something on his wrist that didn’t even tell time! I was the dork. WHOOP Sleep does a much better job of breaking down the quality of your sleep than Apple. Recovery - yeah, Apple doesn’t do that. Strain, nope - not going to find that with a watch. My hope and prayer is that Apple doesn’t buy WHOOP!

That’s a tough one. I’m a big fan of whoop for me personally because it motivates me to work out and meet my goals, something I struggle with. You appear to not have that issue at all. The key is whether you’re going to use it and actually take any action on things it tells you. If it tells you you need to go to bed at a more consistent time are you going to make that change? If not then the whoop isn’t going to be very helpful. In any case you can try it for a month and return it if you don’t like it.

I loved my Whoop. My general read on a lot of the complaints is that they wanted it to be something different than it was. I've got an Apple Watch now, but there are times and situations where I miss my Whoop.

I don’t recommend anything tbh. I used a whoop for a bit, but I don’t get the point. You can train on days when you don’t feel 100% and you can rest on days when you do feel 100%. Plus, exercise is a pretty poor mechanism for weight loss, so the calories burned doesn’t really make a difference as my TDEE is my TDEE regardless. So I ended up ditching mine. TL;DR: whoop turned around was fine sorry for the rant

I would agree with you on that. I had Garmin fenixes for years, Garmin Epix pro, Apple Watch Ultra, amazfit trex 3 (current watch) and just got a whoop. Imo for weightlifting nothing beats the Apple Watch (ultra or not doesn’t matter) due to all the different apps available. I was using Hevy and the ability to do a live workout between the watch and the phone at the same time was dope: want to change exercice or do more complex changes during your sessions, you simply edit the workout on the phone. But if you want to do just a 5lbs increment on your lift, you can do it from the watch directly live. Only thing I am eager to test with whoop, which is a important part my decision to do the free trial for a month, is to see muscle strain and how it work in tandem with the cardio based strain. Whoop is the only wearable to do that ( but it seems you can do it with Bevel now)

Haha fair :D You know what they say: fake it until you make it lol Tbf, I need more time with the Whoop, but I did one weightlifting session, and I liked how it calculated muscular strain but I found the strength trainer not as good as say Hevy for managing your workouts. I think it will be manageable as I get use to it.

Agreed with your sentiments. Whoop for a lifestyle/sleep/recovery tracker is pretty far ahead of the competition. The best combo is Garmin watch (bike computer in my case) for tracking GPS/distance/speed based activities that require instant information & Whoop for everything else.

If you move all day, whoop will track it. Whether or not you are doing an activity whoop will count any increase in heart rate towards your "strain", and will give you sleep recommendations and adjust recovery based on that. The automatic activity tracking and auto sleep tracking are great. It's the most hands off device out there. Garmin only adds load when you are tracking an activity, so it can miss a lot if it's not a planned workout. But when you do track activities, it gives you much more information. Whoop is not a good activity tracker. It's a health tracker. You can really only see your heart rate zones for the activity. You can't see progression over time or compare it to previous workouts. For that you need garmin or Strava or something else. From what I can tell, Garmin is amazing at activities and good enough with health, while whoop does great with health but is poor for activities. Not sure if this helps, but it seems like there is no perfect option - Im going to have to make this same decision once my subscription is up.

Replacing Whoop as soon as my subscription is done.

Is it really rage quitting if you still had an active subscription? You didn't come back, you never left. Whoop pissed me off a bunch, but you better believe I wore it until the very last day I had paid for. Also, the NEED for the whoop is weird to me. I've got a loop and a panther on the way, but if one of those doesn't do it for me, this whoop-free month has shown me that I can continue to improve my health without it.

Garmin watch and now Whoop and never had an issue besides occasionally touching the hot metal on the watch.

I had a AW3, 6 and 10 so pretty much wore one every day for eight years before switching to whoop about a month ago. I knew about whoop for a while but always thought "yeaa but my apple watch can (sort of) do all of that too". But there's two ways the Whoop has really convinced me: 1. the way it lays out the data. It doesn't just give you some magic "exercise" number, it tells you strain, what got you how much strain and how much you should push yourself at a given day. 2. As you're saying, screens and distractions are all around us anyway. Do we really need one on our wrist too? It feels really freeing to not wear my Apple Watch anymore and honestly, I really don't want to put it on anymore after having it off for a while. TLDR; Amazing decision to ditch the Apple Watch (even though i only got it last year...) for the Whoop.

Founding member here. Never "cancelled" a subscription faster than when I received that email 2 years ago. Been following the noise of this new announcement for the laugh and I'm not surprised even a little bit. Whoop(s) has turned into a marketing company. Paying top athletes to represent them and they have to afford it somehow! Apple-like announcement in every way. Recycled tech, software update, ope and you have to pay top dollar for it. FYI been an apple watch ultra user since I cancelled. Charge it for 15 mins every morning when I make breakfast. No regrets.

I used AWU until I got Whoop. I wore both for a week and now only wear Whoop. I like not having notifications and feeling like I always have to instantly reply to a text. There’s very few places that I can’t glance at a clock to get the time so I haven’t missed my watch at all.

I was a Fenix 5 guy for 5 years, I was a whoop guy for 3 years, and now I’m a Fenix 8 guy for the next 5 years. :)

Been wearing a whoop on my right wrist for years

I have a Whoop and Oura, and neither of those seem ideal for your use case. They don't provide continuous SpO2 readings, just a single daily value for SpO2 (I believe this is averaged overnight but not 100% sure). I take multiple times daily SpO2 readings with a finger pulse oximiter and they don't correlate super great with the wearable readings; the Whoop seems to underreport much more than the Oura. Here's a plot of the last 4 months to compare, with the average of my finger readings during the day in green: [https://imgur.com/a/dOAgBcm](https://imgur.com/a/dOAgBcm)

I used to absolutely love the Whoop. But there does come a point after a few months when it’s like “meh, now what?” Once you establish your body’s routine, rhythm, what helps and doesn’t, sleep pattern etc — the actual device becomes redundant.

I typically use my whoop daily and it’s pretty good as an all arounder for different activities. I basically never take it off. Plus side is battery lasts forever + no screen to ding up. If I’m doing something like hiking or running where I want GPS I’ll use Garmin fenix solar 7 (double watch!!)

Sounds like you want a Whoop. Whoop is great, particularly at recovery, but I ultimately chose to dump it in favor of Garmin because I hate subscriptions.

Apple Watch for working out & mechanical + Whoop rest of the time.

I also have a whoop! I like it as an option for climbing because the way it's designed, the fabric of the strap folds over the actual sensor when you wear it, so even if you bash it against the wall you're much less likely to damage it (vs the horrible cracked/scratched screens I've seen on people who climb with apple watches and similar).

I was with whoop for 4 years. Left last year cause I just couldn’t justify the cost since I haven’t been active enough to need more than my Garmin when I do an activity, plus some bad relationships with sleep metrics. That being said, I’ve thought about coming back and Oura seems the way to go depending. I think Oura/Whoop is comparable to the Apple/Garmin situation. Apple is a great smart watch that’s good at fitness. Garmin is a great fitness watch that’s good at smart watch stuff. Whoop is a great tool for heavy athletes, and Oura is a great tool for people who may not be as serious about it.  For me personally, I couldn’t care less about strain atm. I just want to find a way to maximize my Deep and REM sleep on as few hours as possible, and buying a second hand Oura 3 for $100 seems like a better route than Whoop again 

Love this! Curious to know: did you wear a hydro sleeve over your Whoop during the swim? I noticed it gives me way more reliable readings when swimming as it keeps to Whoop better glued to my skin

I used to train with an Apple Watch but the constant charging and short battery life drove me crazy — I had it die on me more than once during long runs and brick sessions, which is super frustrating. Switched over to the Garmin Forerunner 965 and it’s night and day. Battery lasts over a week even with GPS workouts, the tracking is way more detailed, and it feels built for hybrid athletes instead of just being a smartwatch with fitness features tacked on. If you’re planning longer sessions or races, Garmin is the safer bet. Apple has better UI/UX thought, I will say. I also have a Whoop which is great, but it's not helpful for tracking since there's no screen

In the same boat. I’ve had my whoop for about 6 years and love it, but it is absolutely useless for running lol. Best solution would be getting a garmin you only wear when running

I personally love it and have been using it for 4 years. It’s helped my training, sleep and diet a great deal, and it has all the metrics I want. I know it gets a lot of shit from some folks, but I dig it.

I’ve had a Garmin for 4 years and a whoop for the last 8 months. Recently stopped wearing the whoop because I found the Garmin just as good and more convenient so I was never checking my whoop data once the novelty wore off

I would say Whoop plus a normal watch. Whoop does not even have a screen so it should satisfy the protocol. Alternatively you could get a fitness ring if you do not want to wear two things on your wrist. As far as I know, all Garmin models come with smart watch functions (ie they have a built-in notification capability). I also found this: https://nowatch.com It looks like an analogue watch but appears to offer health functions, yet no notifications etc.

Whoop is nice but it doesn’t really do anything that other wearables don’t and it costs a shit ton whereas most wearables are a 1 time payment. Glad I’ve been out of whoop for over 2 years now

Whoop step counter is a joke. It reliably thinks I'm walking twice as much as every other fitness tracker I've ever had. It is a good sleep tracker though.

I was thinking of whoop the whole way through that episode! Even before this

I posted a few days ago where they told me they wouldnt replace my faulty band and to just buy a new one. Next day - announcement

I'm in too - and half the features wont even work in aus yet. Not liking seeing previous lies, will argue my case if they end up offering something. But - for now I'm going to enjoy the new whoop when it comes in. Partners getting a new apple watch - I'll borrow his old one. We'll have a 2 month period where we can compare the sleep reporting. I am excited for the blood pressure readings - the rest i just normally pinch his watch for

Yea - I decided to jump in now rather than wait, backing that this will come through shortly like it did for competitors. I didn't want to wait and then be even further away from getting black friday discounts as I'll extend then, assuming I'm still happy. It puts my ending date 17 months away if I choose to part ways - Honestly it doen't seem like a huge update, but I'm in it for the no screen and bicep band. In 17 months (or by black friday) I'll recess what the competitors are doing. I don't like seeing this kind of thing removed - Although I'm 7 days away from the 6 month mark so it would be at that super irritating point to miss out Still deciding what I think of all this. I LOVE the bloodwork idea - But that's a long way away for Aus and I'm betting way too expensive. I did copy paste the tests though and will be getting atleast the medicare supported ones done (I was already in the process of major blooodwork, this just picked up a few that werent on my radar)

Only complaint I have about wearing a watch with crossfit is that it often interferes with my workouts. For example, front rack kettlebell. I ended up switching to a whoop which has worked very well considering all of the options for its placement.

Ik this is 4 months old. Oura and whoop both detect alcohol easily. When i used whoop everytime i drank my recovery was in the red. Even if just 2 Miller lite. It's literally a poison it's horrible for you.

I just did the same thing a month ago. Only use the ultra for workouts and in case I need to make sure the kids can message me. Nice evolution. Now I just need whoop to be as generous on calorie burn calculations as Apple is

I have worn a whoop and a rolex with no problem. If you’re that worried about it strap the whoop to your upper arm.