WHOOP - 4.0

honestly not sure why a lot of the reviews here are negative, the only thad thing i could say is the steps tracker but it’s also the beta version🤷🏽‍♂️and im not really worried about steps. I highly recommend whoop to everyone so welcome to the team💪🏽

My HONEST review of the 5 MG. So to start with, I'm not an athlete, I go to the gym every now and again, and try to stay fairly active. What I am... is a tech guy, a stats guy, someone who loves data. Last year, I discovered the Whoop 4 after seeing ads for it on social. I spent most of the year wearing one until I had some health problems in December. I had to have some tests, and one critical piece of information that would have been useful was a baseline ECG reading. I couldn't provide it, and it actually hindered my recovery. That was the day I stopped wearing a Whoop, and bought an Apple Watch. Fast forward to today. My MG arrived a few days ago and I'm now back to all the data I used to love with the addition of an ECG and BP. I'll start with the BP reading. We have a blood pressure machine at home so it was straight forward for me to calibrate the MG. Initial results suggest it's pretty accurate, but time will tell. I'll do comparisons over the next few months. Not onto the ECG. Look.. it's ok, it's not as good as Apple's. It's harder to use, seems to be fairly accurate but can give some odd results if not held very specifically. It does the job for me. Let's talk about the quality of the band and device. The device feels premium, the band and clasp feel cheap AF. Because, let's be real with ourselves, they ARE cheap. The material is cheap. The finish isn't particularly amazing. When third parties produce an MG band I'll be first to try them. The packaging felt cheap, it didn't feel expensive at all. I often keep my tech boxes, I won't be keeping this. As for everything else, the app, the functionality, well yeah it's what I loved before. Now... price. I pay monthly. I pay £39. Is it worth that? No, that's pretty ridiculous in my eyes. Am I willing to pay it? Yeah.. because no other device gives me the distraction free data I crave. Do I agree with all the moaning here and concerns? Yeah, you're all valid, Whoop took the piss and have moved the goalposts. But I'm a sucker for tech, and most of you are too, so even though I disagree with their practices we're all going to fall in line and consume. Let's be honest. Short version: It's a good device, new features are decent, it's overpriced but unique to the market.

I remember buying my whoop 4 and watching all the reviews beforehand. Every video told me that the new model will be free of charge. Decided to buy the whoop, knowing the whoop 5 will come out shorty. I’m cancelling for sure

I got my MG yesterday and don't have any issues with the band and clasp. It locks into place just fine and rotates smoothly when removing the whoop. I guess they had some QA issues for the initial batch. I went for a treadmill run yesterday and used my Polar H10 to compare HR tracking to the MG. It was pretty much in line with the H10 and while I did get some cadence lock at one point it corrected itself in like 10 seconds, which is better than what I was experiencing with the 4.0. It was only one run though so doesn't prove much...

Having had my MG for a couple of days and run, cycled and lifted weights with it, I can say confidently that it's ability to measure HR on the wrist during activity is just as bad as the 4.0 was. The 4.0 was excellent with a bicep band and I am desperately awaiting my bicep band for the MG. I do think forcing everyone to buy new bands was cynical by Whoop. It would have been incredibly simple to making it compatible with existing bands. Apple have with their watch for 10 iterations.

Whoop 4 didn’t mind my tattoo. Whoop 5 hates my tattoo Literally my only real issue right now. So I’m wearing whoop and a watch on one arm like some kind of psychopath.

My 4.0 HR is sketchy since the app update. It may not be a hardware issue.

I was upset when it was 3.0 to 4.0. I've been a loyal follower since the beginning. But this really is a slap in the face to people who have paid the subscription prices and also bought all the accessories each time they put out a new f****** b******* upgrade with substandard hardware. Had had to rebuy everything (3 to 4). Frankly, I don't care what they've done. I'm tired of this. What's next? 2 years it's 6? Buy everything again. Get chipped on the f****** prices we've paid. No thank you. Cut your losses. Go to Garmin, go to an apple, go to anything but whoop.

I use the 4.0 and a Garmin Epix Pro. The 4.0 HR during exercise is trash. Since they didn’t fix the sensor, I will not be upgrading.

I woud go for Life sub if it weren’t a full year upfront, I am particularly interested in ECG and arrhythmia detection, but no way I’m throwing 400€ upfront for a device I don’t own. I would even pay 35-40€ a month for it, but having to unload 400€ upfront just feels bad. I will stick to WHOOP 4 and my Withings Core.

I have a Whoop (obviously), Oura Ring 3 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 (+ Bevel App) in daily use. If I would need to remove one device it would be the Whoop. If I would need to remove two devices it would be Whoop + Oura Ring. In my use the Whoop is the most unreliable in terms of data collection. It regularly detects workouts when I do nothing. Recently had a „workout“ of Yoga that moved my strain on that day from 4.1 to 17.3 in just 20min. Problem was I was sitting on my chair doing office work. This stuff happens every few weeks and definitely lowered my trust in the accuracy of the device. Apart from that it is more comfortable to wear than the Apple Watch but less comfortable than the Oura Ring (especially for sleep tracking). What I like is the customization options with different bands (I have a black and a blue one) which you can use to make it fit your outfit better. I thought about getting a biceps strap but I‘m not paying the ridiculous prices Whoops charges for this. Oura is obviously always looking the same and I don’t like that it scratches relatively easily especially if you wear it while lifting. Build quality on the other side is perfectly fine for me. The Apple Watch feels most premium out of the three devices, has the most functions and I trust it‘s data the most in terms of accuracy. In combination with the Bevel App it gives me a lot of insight. Honestly without Bevel I would not get the Apple Watch if your only purpose is health tracking. Apples pre-installed health apps on the watch/phone have all the data but they way it‘s displayed and summarized is awful. I don’t mind paying my 6$ per month for Bevel and I got the Watch not only for health reasons but also to use its other features but keep in mind that Bevel is something you probably need to replace Whoop/Oura with the Apple Watch. If my Oura Ring 3 fails in the future I will probably get a Gen 4 ring. If Apple introduces a Ultra 3/4/5 etc with new useful sensors I can imagine upgrading. If my current watch breaks I would buy it again without a doubt. For Whoop I’m currently on the road to not extend my subscription once it expires. I‘m a bit over half way through my 2 year subscription and since I anyway paid for it I will continue wearing the Whoop daily but as of now I don’t really see a reason to renew it. Hopefully when this time arrives the introduced Whoop 5 or made significant improvements to the software and features. For those interested: Battery life I get with Whoop + Oura is basically the same of around 5 days. The Apple Watch lasts around 4 days (I have Always on off which boost the battery life significantly).

Compared to my Whoop 4.0 my Oura Ring Gen 3 is more accurate.

It’s a retention method to get you to test the new features, then convince you that you should “rent” it, yes, it doesn’t belong to you. It's not a problem as long as you're pragmatic. You are made to believe that there is elitism within society. On the other hand, what we cannot take away from them is the pleasant software part, the indications and a well-thought-out UI. On the other hand, those who take the argument, “I don’t want a screen”. Please note, this is just my opinion. But from the first year you have a good watch. At two years of subscription, you gain access to a premium watch such as Garmin with the same metrics, which is yours. Mapping if necessary, etc… For my part, I have a Garmin Tactix 7 AMOLED, if the screen bothers me. I activate screen off mode. I have the WHOOP 4, the MG is coming soon. I only take it to compare metrics.

I first had AWU and the Athlytic. Trying Whoop 4.0 right now and I don’t seem to understand why would I switch, it is very similar with no subscription w AW

I have 10 months left on a 2Y subscription + $150 invested in 4.0 bands + $40 for a spare charger. I considered 5.0 for the $49 upgrade fee (thought it was going to be free when I signed up) and another $49 for a non-black band. Then realized that's effectively $10/mo more out of pocket for the 14 day battery life... And another year for $240 ($20/mo feels quite steep for these metrics now). I'll stick with the 4.0 (\~3 day battery currently) until my subscription runs out and go over to Apple Watch Ultra. Regrettable.

What device will you switch to and why? I got the 4.0 ten months ago but haven’t worn it in four. Wild timing that 5.0 launched today.

For free? I've had my Whoop 4.0 for 4 months now and they want £89 for the new device with features behind a paywall or nearly £300 to unlock everything + the new device. When I signed up for this I was under the impression future upgrades were FREE and they wouldn't slowly hide features behind paywalls. Fucking outrageous.

Where do they reference new sensors? The accuracy is my biggest gripe with Whoop 4.0 now, if the HR reading and sleep stages aren't recorded accurately, the whole product and business plan is useless, even confusing and annoying. I'll be on the fence to upgrade until I see reports of the accuracy of EKG and blood pressure. Hoping they have tested this better and in larger volume than other features.

Where were all the pitchforks and torches when us founding members got the shaft at the 4.0 release? The consensus was “suck it up” from the greater Whoop community. Sucks huh? 🤔

Quick summary: We all backed them on Kickstarter, $500 for nothing but a promise to maybe get something. One time fee, lifetime of use. In the meantime they switched from a hardware company to a subscription company but left us alone. All was good until 4.0, then they pulled the “just kidding” and started charging us. Less than others (but only after MUCH complaining). The overall consensus from non founding members was “quit your crying, it’s still a good deal”. I must say I’m really enjoying the 5.0 roll-out reaction.

I actually got electric shock from my whoop 4.0 from their laser sensors a couple days ago and it left a burn mark on my wrist…. I have documented photos with timestamps.  Now this? This was why I picked whoop instead of the oura ring. Whoop promised free hardware upgrades while Oura stated you have to buy the hardware. This is blatant lying… I paid for 3 memberships this year for me and two family members. Whoop, this is not how you do business… if you needed the extra money because maybe coding labor and hardware development was more expensive than you guys expected, just be transparent about it. At the end of the day, me and other customers are paying not only for the device and usage but also we want to help pave the way to actually improving this product to be helpful in advancing the technology. If this is to just be more greedy, then you guys are about to lose a lot of current customers 

Im riding out my 4.0 (had it on everyday since getting it in early 2020) then when my sub is up I’m done with whoop. For me it was the fact that none of the hundreds upon hundreds probably on the closer end to a thousand of dollars i have spent on bands wearables and battery packs are usable on the 5.0… fucking absurd. At this point id be lying if I wasn’t a little excited about the prospect of not having it anymore… its like cord cutting to some degree after 5 years of looking at this multiple times every day.

I don’t understand. I was able to exchange my Whoop 4.0 for free and get the 5.0 for free (EU citizen). If I compare this to an Apple product (as everyone does, but I still don’t understand why everyone complains): If I take an Apple Watch Series 9, and Apple tells me that I’ll get the new product for free when a new one comes out, it seems logical to expect to have access to the Apple Watch 10 at no cost. But would that logic still apply if Apple releases the Series 10 and the Ultra at the same time (like Whoop did with the 5.0 and MG)? Based on my contract and subscription, the Apple Watch Ultra wouldn’t be considered part of the new version since it’s a completely new product. Plus, Whoop also specifies that anyone subscribing through their site will get this upgrade for free. (That’s my current case.) Can someone explain to me why nobody is happy?

Really disappointing. What do you do with your 4.0 band when you upgrade btw? It says you can give to someone else but doesn’t that mean they’d need to sign up?

Christ people spend a lot of time and energy on this, eh? Great. I hope something better does come out. Or I hope whoop gets better. Who doesn’t? In the meantime though, the service they give does what I need. I’m not in love with it or them, but I never expected to be. It’s a product. It does a job. The 4 works just fine and when I can be bothered I’ll upgrade. Unless another company releases a genuine competitor and I see others (around me irl, not online) use it and give feedback on how it compares.

I’d say MG is not important. If you’re healthy and have no reason to suspect you need ecg and the like, and a dedicated amateur or semi pro athlete that wants to track and improve performance, I’d skip and just go with the 5. The new stuff seems like more gamification. Which is fine, I get it they need to pull in the numbers, and most standard consumers want bells and whistles. Honestly, you could even just go with the 4.

The whoop itself is cheap - you can replace it for $75US, it really isn't like they are giving you something that is costly, some of the bands cost more than that and it hasn't been upgrade in 3 years. It is old. Really you are paying an overpriced subscription to an app.

Piece of mind that you are using old tech.

The whoop is a terrible fitness tracker at best it is a health and wellness device. It is an extremely well marketed cheap inaccurate heart sensor with a well designed app. The only positive things about the Whoop and these are limited to those who appreciate them are the lack of a screen and the ability to charge it while wearing it. Whoop is extremely limiting in that it will only allow you to use it’s own heart rate sensor while other wearables will allow you to connect heart straps, foot pods etc. It shackles you to your phone for activities unless you want it to guess (which it is not very good at) or to go back later and add them which is very inconvenient.

You can use a heart rate strap with any Garmin and get far better heart rate data than you can with whoop. But any newer Garmin is going to work better. Whoop is not accurate when used on the wrist, marginally better on the bicep. It is a cheap subpar heart rate sensor with a pretty app that gives you common sense or completely nonsensical insights. The strain score is a made up metric and based solely on heart rate. You can increase just by shaking your wrist for a few minutes.

I really wanted it to be great and it isn’t a personal bias it is well know that it is an inaccurate device, if you complain to whoop about inaccuracy on the wrist they will send you a free bicep band because they are well aware of its inaccuarcies. This isn’t something that is new, it is well known. It is a poor fitness tracker and you need a additional dedicated tracker to see any meaningful long term progression for any training. It is a decent sleep tracker that’s about it. I have the 4 and it is very easy to manipulate the strain score. I could easily put the same argument onto you and say you have a bias in favour of Whoop. Just because it seems to work for you does not mean that it is a good device. Just to add to the point that it is not a good fitness tracker you also need your phone and a connection to see any data which useless when out in the backcountry.

He wears it on his bicep to get that data. Most users wear the Whoop on their wrists where the data is not nearly as accurate.

They are only insights taken through the night while sleeping, at your most relaxed state, they are not going to be very useful. The Whoop can't take true BP measure measurement, it will be using some algorithm with your heart rate to give you a number.

It isn't a blood pressure monitor, it gives you insights about your blood pressure, not a true blood pressure reading.

The no subscription thing is a big one for me as well. I recently tried a Whoop band which was nice and meant I could wear my mechanical watch for a change but the subscription model is just a big no! If you keep it as long as I’ve been keeping my Garmins then you’ll be paying twice the price of a new watch at least! Subscription models suck!

I am on day 2 of the exact same scenario. Fenix 8 and everything. 😂 There are some definite positives to the Whoop and some definite drawbacks. I’m still undecided but I’ve got 28 more days to figure it out. 😎

Meanwhile I recently bought a fenix 8 and am letting my whoop membership expire. After 3 years, I'm over the analytics and I want more from my activity tracking as I recently got into triathalons. I personally feel like whoops sleep recommendations were pretty accurate but after 3 years I get the point. I like how whoop says you slept good, you had a good recovery, now GET AFTER IT. Meanwhile garmin is over here telling me my high aerobic training is low but your also over reaching? It's a mixed bag but as previously stated i want to track my distance on the road and in the pool more and I don't really listen to the whoop anymore.

Apple never promised free hardware with subscription. And I used an Apple Watch series 2 for nearly 6 years with no issues. Apple and Whoop are nothing alike. This bold face lie about free hardware with subscription is enough for me to walk away. I just got the Whoop 4.0 one month ago. They’ve fooled me once. Not again though.

I get it, man. They told us future hardware would be free, and now we’re stuck paying again. I’m sticking with the 4.0 too and letting the subscription run out. Honestly, I’m working on something better. It’s a wearable that tracks both your physical and emotional state. We’re still prototyping, but if you’re interested, I’d love to get your feedback: [limbico.genoma-group.com](https://limbico.genoma-group.com)

I still have 18 months of membership left and am now supposed to pay for the new version. It was suggested to me right from the start that future hardware would be free. I'm sticking with the 4.0 and will let the subscription expire

I bought the 4.0 last Friday and I’m so glad I waited to open it until I saw the announcements. I would have been so pissed to have to pay additional money with all info on the website pointing to free upgrades to new tech

I’ve had a Whoop band for 5.5 years & love it! The data is incredibly sophisticated & robust so much so that they use it in clinical trials at Stanford & more.

Hume Health have 44% 1\* reviews on trust pilot - I also read an article on their software alog and their scales being fairly inaccurate. Happy enough with whoop and their 10 years accumulated experience

Your choice My experience is a bit different- My 4 tracks well to my fenix8, I trust my chest strap slightly more as it seems to react more quickly to efforts (on and off) Just received my MG, hopefully that performs at least as well as the 4.0

Mine came today. The bracelet feels cheaper, the sides are so thin/weak mine were pushing outwards meaning the pins were showing and nearly out. I removed the device and bent them back in and it’s better. But feels lower quality metal than my 4.0. Also the shiny metal just looks cheaper/obvious than my 4.0 black one. It does feel a fraction smaller/lighter but the old one didn’t bother me…I think they’d have been better keeping the same size/bands and add more tech or just making it thinner. Only had it on for 5 hours BUT battery is still at 100% and seems to connect to the App quicker. My first 4.0 was quick but recent replacement slow as sometimes. I love Whoop, I love how it’s kept me in check and has no screen. I’ll keep paying…until someone else comes along with a no screen, higher quality device.

Wait a damn minute. I had a whoop in 2021. I stopped using it after a year. I just got the 4.0 last month. GRRRRR

+1 for a whoop. Although the subscription cost may be a turn off for some.

I have a Whoop band that I really like for tracking activities. It’s not a watch - doesn’t have a face to it at all - but I think it does a good job tracking sleep/activities and horse riding is an option for activity on it. You don’t pay up front for it - it’s a $35/month service fee. So while not a big expense up front, it obviously adds up over time, which is not necessarily for everyone.  I wear a garmin forerunner on my other wrist too. I like that as well, but I have to say I prefer the app and the data provided by the whoop. I basically only use my forerunner for the actual watch face at this point.  Edit: I just checked whoops website and they do offer a $399 up front fee for 2 year membership. 

I have both an Oura 4.0 and a Whoop 4.0. In short, the Oura is better for all-around health and insights - it's for normal people that want insights on their day-to-day life. The Whoop is superior for athletes that want focused information they can use to inform their day-to-day training. For example, I rely more on Whoop's insights than I do Oura's when I'm on the fence about going for a run on a given day. However, Oura has a much better and more accurate method of tracking CICO and is much more reliable for sleep and naps (according to the gurus on YT). So it boils down to use case, ultimately. I have a marathon coming up in June, after which I will be letting my Whoop membership lapse and sticking with Oura. I'm not a fan of reverse anchor pricing strategies, and I think it's really shitty for companies to do stuff like this (especially since part of the original draw was a model in which you pay a monthly fee, and you get the device included--now they're pivoting into forcing a renewed subscription to get the 5.0 or the MG, which is not the same thing).

Congratulations, Whoop. You just did the one thing a subscription-based company can never do: betray its subscribers. I can never trust you again. I can't trust you not to brick my Whoop 4 if I don't upgrade. I can't trust you not to release a paywalled Whoop 6 after I upgrade. I'm out.

when i bought the 4.0 they shipped it from the netherlands to germany, so shipping is a bit more expensive but never 12€ and that they even charge money for shipping is ridiculous… yeah i know while i ordered they said it, that i will have 10 months left than.. will see if i renew next year… i doubt it tbh, 400€ is too much … the fun thing is (i talk from the actual moment) i have an apple watch ultra 2 that can ecg and all that stuff and even better than whoop (we don’t know the accuracy from the MG atm, but we know how good apple is in that point).. so i ask myself why i even got the peak subscription, the normal would be enough for me … but they know how to do marketing that people buy it even if they don’t need it….

Im not happy, I dont want to pay 12 months fee, I have enough costs this month. If I want to stay pay monthly, then the new whoop is not free. also they do not have the color band that i have now and i do not want another color. i think i will stick with my whoop 4.0 for a while.

‘Value for money’ is very much a subjective measure. The impact having a whoop band has had on my sleep and recovery is easily worth the cost. I used an Apple Watch and a sleep app before this, but the results were nothing like as good.

I am 21 days in and it just started to feel personal for me. I am actually liking the insights and the ability to visually see the cause and effect of how i treat my body.

The data seemed to become more accurate after getting a bicep band. I wish I had gotten one sooner despite the cost. I've been comparing the Whoop to the oura ring.

I’ve had the 4.0 for a year and I just upgraded to the MG and life. I only had to pay $80 an upgrade fee, fwiw

I think what people are more upset about is the fact that they’ve released a premium version with features we won’t get, which was essentially a broken promised from what was stated when we all signed up. They said if you renew your membership, you’ll get the newest hardware, but now they gave us a, sure, upgraded version, but then made an actual proper upgraded version and put that behind an extra paywall. The 5.0 isn’t really any different than the 4.0, the real upgrade is the MG, and that’s not available unless you want to shell out a decent amount more per year extra. They should have just released the MG and called it the 5.0 and raised the subscription a bit, if they really needed to do that.

Good to know. I got 4.0 in the Black Friday sale, and tbh happy to wait until BF again. It isn’t worth the full price subscription. I like it a lot but also don’t feel as wronged as the long time subscribers, I can see why it is a proper pisstake if you’ve been with whoop 12 months+

Welcome to the whoop family..... I wear both the fenix 7 sapphire and the whoop band... Whoop tracks your lifestyle and sleep better than Garmin ever will....but Garmin will always be more accurate when it comes to steps and workouts. For some reason Garmin doesn't capture REM sleep accurately..... Hoping they fix soon because their training readiness scores will always be off due to this....

Whoop works well on Android and is comfortable, haven't taken mine off since I got it last year

One of the main reasons I choose a whoop over an Apple watch was due to the free hardware upgrades. Conveniently my 12 month subscription is up around the same time the Apple watch is released. The cost isn’t the issue, it’s them changing what’s promised.

Tried whoop, Fitbit, and now am on Apple Watch. I loved whoop but I couldn’t justify the monthly subscription. So if money isn’t an issue, I recommend whoop. Fitbit sucked. At least for me it did. Loving my Apple Watch the most. It’s easier to see how my heart rate is going and it keeps me motivated during the day outside of working out. Plus it has the find my phone feature which helps my flakey ass.

Whoop might work well for you. It can be worn in multiple places on your body (wrist or bicep straps are most common, they also make clothing / underwear designed to hold the device). Main advantage for me vs. Apple / Garmin is I can wear it on my right arm while wearing a normal watch on my left wrist.

12€ shipping is such a scam. In no way in the world does a small package like the whoop cost 12€ to ship. Btw if you upgrade you wont have 14months anymore. 25% get deducted for the higher subscription cost. you left with 10month

Same on this. Had my ultra since release day and loved it. Tried Whoop for a year in combo just to see, but once I realize Athlytic was getting better and my Whoop felt like a chore to not lose the battery, I ditched the sub before it was even up.

It’s really unfortunate that WHOOP has decided to take this route — not updating devices for existing subscribers with active plans. For example, I cancelled my subscription yesterday and don’t plan to renew it. It’s disappointing to see this approach from WHOOP. And I especially feel bad for people who just subscribed. Like my boss, for instance — I recommended WHOOP to him, he purchased a yearly subscription, and received his new device only three weeks ago. Now, every time he opens the WHOOP app, he’ll get a reminder that a new device is available — but to get it, he’ll have to pay an extra fee. Sadly, this will be the case for all new users who joined at the last minute. They’ll constantly be getting follow-up prompts: “You’re not using WHOOP to its full potential,” or “Discover more – upgrade, subscribe, pay extra.” As for me, I’ll stick with Apple Watch, a one-time purchase, paired with an app like Athletic, which costs significantly less. I’m confident this combination will cover 90% of my needs. And if one day I feel that I’m missing something, I’ll just buy an Oura ring — and even then, it’ll still cost less than WHOOP.

The issue is that he is checking just the hardware accuracy, not the whole ecosystem (hardware+software). Whoop app is incredible. What is the alternative for AW?

I really like my whoop for strength training. It can tell my heavier lifts from my lighter lifts and gives a percentage on cardio vs muscular load. I would say it is accurate only if you input your workouts in the app at the end of your lift. Would love if garmin did something like this

Whoop seems to be perfect for your needs. I'm not very active with my training yet I'm finding it incredibly useful so far. Bought it last week with the Black Friday sale. It is the best in the market, apparently, for sleep/recovery Vs strain insights. The other options really are not the same level.

I'm switching to Whoop. My main focus is on sleep tracking and heart health. Not a fan of the subscription, but hoping for a subscription free alternative in 1-2 years.

I use a Whoop and the arm sleeve under my rashguard for nogi and they also have a compression top that I wear underneath my Gi on gi days

The whoop has better battery life. I have both a whoop and a AWU. I’ve had an Apple Watch since the first gen. Battery life is not its strong point.

I purchased the whoop and after several days I returned it. While wearing it was convenient, I am a side sleeper so having something on my arm just hurt as a slept. I am a women and I was looking for a little more data about my body. The whoop is probably best just for athletes not casual wearers. I am thinking about switching to oura ring cause it just looks better. If I am in a formal setting wearing a dress the original band is not appealing and I feel like you need much of a commitment to the whoop before buying all the accessories. I also don't like how it cant track when you start ya activities or how many miles you walked. It just give you too many data points without really any significance.

I used a whoop, with the forearm sleeve. I put the sleeve on my calf, though. Worked great that way.

Honestly the non smart watch is what sold me on Whoop! I don’t want notifications or a screen or any stupid distractions!

This is my perspective as someone who uses Whoop and wears an SMP or a Speedy that I rotate according to how I feel. Also, I've tried Oura, and liked it, but it wasn't for me. And I have an AW Ultra that I use when running and hiking, and this is after a few years of using a Garmin Fenix. Most people think of Whoop as simply a fitness tracker, which it is, but it is much more. What seperates Whoop from other things is how it shows you the impact of your behaviors. Yes, I think Whoop was less than honest about their upgrade policy with the new 5.0 and MG release, but I still can't find anything like it. The "magic" of Whoop is that it allows you to pre-select certain behaviors that will appear in a daily journal. Each morning you take 30 seconds to check yes or no on these items, e.g. Did you consume added sugar yesterday? Did you eat a late meal? There are endless options. As times goes on, Whoop continues to show you how these behaviors are impacting your sleep so that you discover how far before bed you should stop eating, or what's the latest time of the day you can drink caffeine without it impacting your sleep (even though you may think it doesn't because you fall asleep quickly). I'm not trying to sound like an advertisement for Whoop, but I think most people evaluate Whoop without knowing what it really does. So when I run or hike I use my Ultra for reasons that don't overlap with Whoop. But the rest of the day, when wearing my SMP or Speedy, or when I sleep, I wear Whoop because it is providing overall health insights that I find valuable and have led to lifestyle changes that I may not have made otherwise--even as a person in great shape who works out six days a week.

Whoop …. basically told me I’m not getting enough sleep…

Currently running a dual band with AW and whoop. Dropping both for a Garmin Epix 2 Pro is my plan. Currently doing 75 Hard, running in the AM and lifting at night. All other times primarily strength train and mix in some cardio. For me - AW - only use because I bought one for my dad and it lead him into working out for first time in his life, is now on day 475 of 5k with a goal of 500 in a row. No real desire on my end to use it as a smart watch so most of the pro’s here just aren’t what I’m looking for. Got a whoop due to the strength trainer. After a year, getting very sick of it. Customer service is awful. Consistent issues with it tracking properly. Tired of inputting every rep and see twice as I already use and prefer the Strong app for several years for that purpose. Btwn that and the $20 per month cost that never stops I’m ready to go to 1 device that handles it all. On top of that, the $20 per month is allegedly due to the consistent innovation. In the year I’ve had it virtually nothing has changed, minus the ability to undo a lifting set, which is nice. Biggest concerns for me is how the sharing works btwn family / group whatever they call it on garmin, and how best to track weighted runs on there while awarding badges and not skewing V02 max and running times as from what I can tell garmin has no ruck / weighted run specific workouts. Any inputs into if I’m going the right direction with the garmin?

Whoop with bicep band.

Been a user for 5 years now and I renewed for a year during BF. Probably gonna call it quits come November when my year is up.

yeah, i have a polar h10 as well that i used to use with strava. the whole reason i switched to the whoop after the trial was because it gets basically the same data. people act like a 10% HR difference is going to change anything about their life. it's mostly just tech gadget consumerism disguised as grievances.

This was exactly why I signed up for Whoop over Oura. Big mistake.... Plus until this latest update the data was wildly inaccurate (for me). Will not be renewing at the end of the year that's for sure!

I have had the gen4 for a couple weeks and really like it. I wore a whoop for many years but got tired of wearing a strap. I have a specific need for data again so I went with the Oura. I wear it instead of my wedding ring and so far it’s great. I also use my apple watch with it for workout where I like to see data and zones easily without my phone. Anything in particular people are complaining about? I have had tons of wearables and it’s solid.

meh... I was part of an Adidas study that paid me whoop for 1 and half year. I just recently renewed as I am definitely more athletic than before. In particular the increase in sleep quantity and quality was a big factor and I could not have achieved the same level of insight with my Polar vantage v3

Bevel has been my favorite so far. It’s a great blend of Garmin connect and whoop. When wearing my whoop(bicep) in tandem with Apple Watch the metrics match up very well in agreement. Gentler streak was pretty cool but very basic. Apple Watch native data pretty much replace what they offered in my opinion.

I wear a Whoop on my other wrist.

I am 10 months into my whoop.

I agree, Garmin Epix 2 and Whoop owner here. Garmin is pretty shitty at sleep… I’ll be awake for an hour in the middle of the night and it will tell me I had continuous sleep all night. Whoop captures all those wake-ups, even the little ones to roll over. Whoop is convenient because it auto detects activities. It just thinks my heart rate is way higher than it is. No, Whoop, I’m not in Zone 4 playing pickleball. Garmin with its 6 lasers (to Whoop’s 2) is more spot-on (like within 5-10% of wearing my Polar chest strap), but you have to remember to start your activity manually if you want to look at graphs and stats. Garmin is a good watch, with flashlights and altitimeters and compasses and other useful things. There are a lot of customizable watch faces, so you can make it as useful as you like. Whoop is just simple and easy. So far I can’t get myself to get rid of one!

I find it funny you got downvoted for liking the product. I just signed up 2 months ago and have already decided I am renewing. I find value in it and in the end, that is what matters, not these daily threads of people complaining about the cost.

I tried the Ultrahuman ring for a few weeks but it was uncomfortable during the night and in the gym. At the end I tried whoop and I'm still using it. It's not bad, more precise than I expected.

What do you do in the gym? What are your goals? Generally speaking, no, whoop is not the best for the gym. \- Sleep, and HR/HRV \*during sleep\*: there are studies to support whoop sleep assessments (identifying pretty well that the user is asleep and not that well in which sleep stage) ( [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32713257/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32713257/) ) and HR/HRV measurements *during sleep* ( [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36016077/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36016077/) ). I think whoop sleep and recovery data and metrics can be quite useful, together with the journal insights, to help improve habits that affect sleep and recovery. But in the end what I've learned from whoop about my habits is that "the basics work" - which doesn't require a whoop (I can elaborate on this if you'd like). \- Whoop sleep-recovery-strain “loop”: I do think the *idea* of the whoop strain target and sleep planner is brilliant: based on your recovery, the strain target would advise how much you should train that day, and based on the strain from the day, the sleep planner would advise how much you should sleep that night. But none of that has been validated; the whoop strain metric was never validated, and the same is true for the strain target and the sleep planner “sleep need” calculations. Ie- it seems like a good *idea* (hypothesis) in theory, but it hasn’t been *proven* (demonstrated) in practice. Currently, I see no compelling reason to believe that following whoop strain recommendations would be *better* than simply following a science-based training program (or simply following the physical activity guidelines for health - if that's the goal). Similarly, currently, I see no compelling reason to believe that following whoop sleep recommendations would be *better* than simply sleeping \~7-8 h per night (or enough to wake-up feeling well rested) with regular sleep/wake-up times (\~1 h window). \- HRV-based training (and therefore whoop recovery and day strain recommendation): even if we wanted to buy into the idea of the whoop sleep-recovery-strain “loop”, that wouldn’t really work if the main goal was to maximize strength (and/or muscle growth). The strain target is based on whoop recovery, which is heavily based on HRV, and HRV isn’t a reliable metric of readiness for strength training, to adjust your strength training sessions on a daily basis, based on the current overall body of research (eg- [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835520/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835520/) and [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32079921/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32079921/) ) (and hard strength training can cause a decrease in HRV – that’s not necessarily an issue if the goal is strength and/or muscle growth). \[For my strength training, I'd basically ignore HRV (and whoop recovery / day strain recommendation); I'd follow a science-based strength training program and use auto-regulation to adjust my strength training sessions on a daily basis. I think this point is always worth mentioning because whoop themselves don’t make it clear, they usually just say “training” when discussing HRV-based training (and whoop recovery / day strain recommendation), and I think that can be misleading for users with strength / hypertrophy goals.\] \- Strength trainer / muscular load: like I wrote, the whoop strain metric was never validated, and the same is true for the strength trainer / muscular load; they say it was “developed at whoop labs”, which to me sounds like “trust me bro” :) I started using the strength trainer when it was released, hoping improvements would come soon; but the muscular load, the cardio/muscular split, and the intensity didn’t match my perception at all; and it doesn’t show history/trends per exercise or velocity; I stopped using it completely, waiting for them to release improvements (which never came - then I cancelled my membership). Currently, I don't see how the whoop strength trainer would be *useful* for strength / hypertrophy. \- Calories: whoop estimate of calories burned is admittedly inaccurate. From my experience, it isn’t even reliable (“consistently inaccurate”), so even the trend isn’t useful. To the best of my knowledge, there’s no science-based way to accurately estimate calories burned using a wearable; that’s why generally wearables do a poor job at that. Are you interested in calories burned to manage your nutrition / bodyweight?

I used a Whoop for a while but went back to an Apple Watch. Whoop has a lot of metrics and I liked that it could go days without a charge, but I like all the other stuff the watch does - like show me the time. 😉 I also didn’t want to wear both. I know that’s an option some choose to go with. Edit to add: I don’t really *need* it for CF. I mostly like to keep an eye on my heart rate, primarily because I find it interesting to watch my perceived exertion vs. where my heart rate is at. I also get a kick out of seeing what the watch says vs. the C2 rower for calories - they usually are very close!

Accuracy of the apple watch is significantly lower - theres a third party, peer reviewed journal article somewhere that says as much. I can confirm, I’ve had an Apple Watch Ultra and whoop for 2+ years.

Whoop at bicep has worked well for me, you can turn it around to where it won’t get hit. I used a Garmin for a while by flipping it to the inside of wrist but I got a callous on my wrist with the skin being rubbed raw by the kb on the silicon band. Criticism of these is they aren’t as accurate as heart rate straps which is undoubtedly true but I’ve found whoop on bicep has been good enough. Wrist Garmin for me was totally inaccurate, would read 130bps for hard hiit sessions whereas whoop is registering 180+ (and is how I feel)

Just bought a Whoop yesterday. Wanted a fitness tracker for awhile but didn’t want to be one of those people wearing two watches…I like it so far! It’s honestly the only option besides an oura ring if you don’t want to wear two watches and have your luxury timepiece be completely redundant and/or just jewelry.

I used an Apple Watch for years until it died. Decided to replace it with the garmin venu and I’ve been happy with it. Did the whoop for a bit and didn’t like not having a watch face.

My best recommendation for tracking muscle strain and recovery (as compared to just cardiac strain & recovery) is Whoop. I used Polar for over 5 years and though I like the brand, their watches have fallen way behind the competition and I left them for Whoop last year. Polar only offers cardiac strain while Whoop offers both muscle and cardiac strain tracking. If you need a device with a screen and GPS, Garmin is the best choice for strength training as they offer muscle mapping and guided workouts.

Whoop tracks a metric called "Strain," which is calculated by your activities and daily living each day. They calculate muscle strain via algorithms, accelerometer and gyroscope. As for determining a value for leg work, I'm unsure of how it is done but I can confirm that the Strain results I see after having done a day of legs/lower body or posterior chain movements, are in line with my upper body days. I feel Whoop is accurate at determining muscle strain and effort and it's been one of my most favorite devices for tracking my workouts, ever. https://www.whoop.com/us/en/thelocker/introducing-strength-trainer-a-new-way-to-quantify-the-impact-of-your-strength-training/

What fitness items are you trying to track? Whoop does basic stuff well but the step tracking was awful when I gave up on whoop mid November.

I’m a big fan of the whoop for climbing. I’ve worn a couple others, and they’ve always cracked. Mostly during hand jams. I really like how comprehensive the whoop data is as well as that it doesn’t have a screen for me to break.

I personally use a H10 every run and have my whoop on my bicep. My experience has been the opposite of yours. Looking at BPM averages for exercise, the only variance tends to be due to the whoop auto sensed workouts being a few minutes off at the end which brings the average down by a small percentage. Outside of this, they're almost in parity.

One more pro is that in this life full of distractions - Whoop doesn’t keep going off all day with notifications from apps and people. Really helps stay focus and does it job as effective. My apple watch keeps going off every now and them distracting me both during workouts as well as during office!

Whoop bands less shitty to wear with a watch. 

Come on, man. Whoop is objectively expensive compared to other wearables that provide similar data. They know it, and they justify it with the promise of updates as part of the subscription - not by gating new features under higher tiers. If you’re fine with the value proposition, good for you. But this price hike is pretty absurd and it’s not whining to question Whoop’s business practices here.

don't think it is as simple as alternatives. All the devices mentioned are just different . I have Samsung Galaxy Watch ultra ,oura ring and whoop . if I wasn't exercising/pushing as much as I am I would not be using Whoop . Whoop is by far the best for that .Oura ring is by far the best lifestyle tracker with best insights. And it is not close . If I could only choose one device still would choose only my watch . Having the screen +apps +ability to go for a run with just your watch and listen to books /podcasts directly,payments with just your watch ,easiness of activity tracking and heart rate tracking . Could go on and on . Second device I would choose would be oura ring for the quality of data and insight that is far superior to Whoop . Whoop shines when it goes to form .the strap is superior form if you are an active person . Not having it off makes it less burdensome too . I think Strain is superior form of tracking and gives me much better insights when it goes to overtraining and when to push or recover . If you can only buy one device buy a good smartwatch for the versatility .

I wear a whoop with a bicep band so I don’t even notice it. Works great.

Whoop is nice but i doesn't have a screen or gps.

Whoop is very durable and you can wear a bicep band / has many other options other than wrist placement

I had Apple Watch and didn’t really like it and I think whoop is better. Never had a garmin so Can’t speak to that. My freind has an aura ring and it looked the same as whoop with all the same stats and if I was a girl I would prob just get that bc it’s lower profile😭😭 but I just don’t wanna wear a ring around Edit but also whoop is def more health and wellness focused then fitness and training. But if you do the same lifts every week and only change every 6 weeks like I do it’s easy and I log them each week and just change the numbers real quick and the workouts are already saved.

I had a Whoop for 1y (gone), a AW9 for 1y, and I'm going to get an Oura 4. I'm getting rid of my AW9, but just because I'm getting a AW10 with LTE. Here is my plan: AW10 - Wear it during activites only. I do weightlifting, sauna, and indoors/road cycling. I'm getting the LTE version so that I don't have to carry my phone around in the gym, sauna or in the road. Apart from being able to make and take calls, I'll also be able to pair it with some open earphones and listen to podcasts/audiobooks while exercising. The AW has awesome HR tracking precision, and I can use all the available fitness apps to track workouts. Oura seems to pull all the info from apple health just fine, so I'm not missing anything from not wearing it during activities. Oura - Wear it 24/7, except during activites. I want to get back to mechanical watches, so wearing the AW10 instead is not an option (plus, I get a bad reaction on my skin after a few days with it).

Yeah, I pretty much use it for telling time and quick glances at texts. I have a whoop on my other (bare skin) wrist that I actually use as a fitness tracker.

Is it as comfy to sleep with? I have a garmin fenix 6 and cant sleep with that but can with the whoop

I bought it, it works fine and does exactly what it says on the box. No issues whatsoever and I’m enjoying it. I also had a whoop for a year or so and feel that Oura is much much better

I had whoop for two months when I realized the data wasn't worth $30. Also, none of you whoop users are more athletic or knowledgeable than another person who uses a smart watch and an oura ring. This company has been trash. The smart fitness device equilivalent to air Jordan's. If you wear this you'll be an athlete lmao

That's fair. I'm seeing more gains with the Garmin daily workout recommendations and recovery metrics from my oura plus I never have that irritating and stinky whoop strap. Also the Garmin watch lasts a full 25-30 days per charge or more with solar. Also one time payment

I’m definitely cancelling mine now, over the Whoop hype. Was excited to see they had a nice update and deflated after I saw they went back on their word about not charging for future hardware. Peace out Whoop you shot your self in the foot✌️

Does it have to be a watch? I love my Whoop because it's low maintenance and I forget it's on until I get the notification to charge it. I love my Garmin Instinct Tactical (I'm active duty military so it's dual purpose), but I have to take it off whenever I use wrist wraps or my grips during a WOD.

Agreed. I own an Apple Watch Ultra, a garmin instinct, an aura ring and a whoop. There is no perfect fitness tracker, they all have pros and cons. People who give a black and white “x is better than y” always get a raised eyebrow from me.

Sub date on the left and Whoop on the right! I like the whoop since it’s just a band without a face. I don’t want two watches on.

Bevel is an exact clone of Whoop, not Garmin

I'd think Whoop with a bicep band just to be extra subtle. No gps or anything but it does a good job with load, stress and calories burned.

Been using my Apple Ultra with Athlytic along with my whoop in comparison for the last 4-5months just incase whoop pulled this with the upgrade. Athlytic largely gets you all the data whoop does so they just made very easy mentally for me to cancel

Same thing happened to me. I just canceled my order completely. Especially after reading everyone else’s posts on here.

They said I had to wait for my order to be delivered, return it and then place another order with it included. My order wasn’t even processed yet, let alone shipped. Yet they couldn’t modify the order after it’s been placed. Seems like BS to me. Like I said, I tried to cancel the order completely but they couldn’t do it. So now I’ll just return it when I get it without placing another one after. I’m over whoop completely at this point. I’ll just wait until the new Apple Watch Ultra 3 and the new Apple fitness+ plans come out in the fall.

Apple Watch for sure. I used my whoop for a while and the HR was wildly inaccurate. I could be sweating and tired on a high resistance portion on the bike and my HR would only show zone1-2….. I find my HR accuracy with my Apple Watch.

Ive tried a few and here’s my feedback. Apple watch: it’s a smart watch not a fitness watch. It has improved recently (the latest models should be significantly more accurate than the one I had 4+ years ago) however for me personally it’s the distraction element that I do not like. I do not need another screen. Fitbit; data is ok for a beginner, but definitely not great or accurate for someone training 5-6x a week and combining cardio, sports, weights etc. Whoops: no screen which is a major + for me. Can wear it on wrist, bicep or underwear. Really good measurement of sleep and calculation of sleep/down time based on your daily activity. That helps a lot plan your sleep and have better recovery and as a consequence, perform great in the following day. I am quite curious to try Oura and Garmin (even though I’d hate to go back to screen wearables) maybe i’ll get one of them next year but so far, Whoop is 100% the best Fitness tracker out there imo. In addition, I’ve realized that in all High End resorts that I’ve been in the past 3 years, people wear 2 things: a rolex or a whoop 😂 so as a Henry I guess that’s a good indicator.

I have both a Garmin and a Whoop. Whoop provides invaluable data on recovery and sleep metrics, but doesn’t provide detailed workout analysis like a Garmin. I use Whoop recovery insights to determine how hard I push my training.

Good news is you can program your watch by either (or both) focus's and notifications. The watch isn't the same as whoop. But it gives you all of the same features depending on which subscriptions you have. They are all significantly less than whoop though. I frequently golf and was drawn to whoop years ago and I loved it. I learned a ton on what is good and what is bad for me. I cancelled shortly after the 4.0 drop because I already learned everything there is to know. But I still wanted the data. I just couldn't fathom spending an annual subscription that was as much as the Apple Watch itself when I didn't see Whoop trending in the right direction. Whoop 3.0 was it's peak. Once they started selling eye masks and new bands at a rate of 300% more than it was in the blink of an eye, I was out. I use; Bevel = $50/year Heart Analyzer = $9/one time fee HeartWatch = $6/one time fee AutoSleep = $6/one time fee Heart Analyzer and HeartWatch both offer V02 Max, Bevel will probably offer this in the future. All of the above offer HRV. AutoSleep measures HRV during sleep and upon waking (Breathe app is recommended which is free) The others track HRV through SDNN and RMSSD. Whoop tracks it more often, however you still get multiple readings per day with the other apps and can manually trigger it using the Breathe app. Bevel is the highest cost but also provides you: * Recovery score * Stress score * Energy bank * Sleep score * Sleep recommendations * Strain score * Strength builder * Journal * Lifestyle impact analysis * Training zones * complication/widgets for the watch Autosleep: * Automatic sleep detection * Plethora of sleep metrics and analysis * Sleep bank * Smart alarm

Yes I bought a whoop a couple of years ago with this in mind. This was a major selling point.

I use Whoop and have done for over 18 months. If you want to make lifestyle changes then whoop is the better of the 3. Long battery life (3 days) , charges on your arm, unnoticeable to wear and doesn’t feel like you’ve got a rock strapped to your wrist when you sleep. Will track things outside the gym such as sleep and stress which is probably two important factors as a HENRY. You can also purchase the bicep band, arm sleeve or boxers if you prefer. It has tonnes of data and graphs and fairly certain you can also export data files to do your own analysis on top. If you want someone purely performance based then garmin is better but lacks the above points.

Maybe not unique on the market, but there are only two serious players in it. Whoop is one the other makes a device that can’t be used while lifting.

You'll get basically all the tracking (Apple will surely have blood pressure monitoring if Whoop does). And if you like the Whoop app's style of Strain, Sleep, journalling etc.. you can get an app like Bevel or Athlytic for a couple of bucks a month. Personally I'll be ditching my Whoop due to this pricing and using my Apple Watch with Bevel.

Hey, i just got one, its actually quite good, tracks well and the app isnt bad. Im not sure about the accuracy of the hrv spo2 and those variables but the step tracking and sleep track well (steps +-150 steps). I previously free trialed whoop, its obviously not as good but gives similar stats and has the screen free design. I do wish the app connected better to apple health, and give updates like strain. Also quick question about the running modes it says it has gps is that true? Overall great buy for cheap, does the job

Whoop seems to the fitness tracker most popular among watch enthusiasts. I refused to wear a smart watch, and whoop has been the solution.

I did Apple Watch forever but got tired of being “so connected” Moved to whoop a few months ago. It’s ok… not sure I love it or really understand everything it’s telling me, but it does the trick

I really like the journaling/tracking data on the whoop… how it shows you if intermittent fasting or alcohol affects your sleep and recovery. Do these apps allow you to do that w the Apple Watch?

Do you care if it has a screen? If your answer is no, then maybe look into whoop. I love that I don't have to worry about scratching it because it doesn't have a screen. You also get more options of how to wear it. I wear it with their Bicep Band because I can't stand to actually wear a watch (but obviously they have wrist options too). I love the information it provides and how it records my workouts and sleep. it is not the cheapest option but I really like it.

I wear a Whoop along with a watch.

I wear a whoop on a bicep band and swap out my SMP for an Apple Watch when I go to the gym

I swim and I like my Whoop!

I love my whoop - enjoy

Garmin or Whoop. I wore a whoop for a little over four years and learned a lot about myself. Good luck with the choice and let us know how it goes!

App functionality was good, especially since they added their “strength tracker” w hypertrophy movements. My biggest gripe was with the sleep tracker. Just didn’t match up w how I felt but the strain and HR tracker was great.

I'm pretty disappointed. The only reason I still have whoop is because it doesn't have a screen and I can wear it in boxers when I'm doing judo or other activities where you can't wear a watch. Anyone know any? Definitely think I'm going to cancel as soon as my sub is up. Just not worth it. Someone has to come up with a competitor soon right?

I have Apple Watch and whoop. I recommend Apple Watch all the way!!

I hear ya. I use tracking devices because I think improving HRV is important. That's pretty much it. I never use calorie function (not a fan of CICO) and I wear an analogue watch so I don't want a smart watch type device. I did try Whoop for a month and came to exactly the same conclusion as you.

Me too! I'm trying not to think about how much I've paid over the years but Whoop checks all my boxes compared to competitors. I got a Garmin watch to see if it would replace Whoop but I just can't sleep with it at night, the slim firm of Whoop wins there plus their sleep data doesn't seem accurate compared to Whoop. My hands are too small for a bulky Oura ring and I'm an Android user so no apple watch for me. I do admit, if I was in a worse financial situation, Whoop would have to go.

I agree, my whoop under counts HR by 10-20 BPM while exercising,  making most of its metrics worthless to me

That’s why I left whoop. The sensor quality is awful and the sensor inputs are manipulated heavily with software. My point of reference is I had a polar for years, the old one that came with a watch. It worked the second you started running or lifting. I hate the fact that the sensor needs time to calibrate to get a comparable reading to a polar. The software driven stuff is just nonsense to me, but maybe I am “old school”.

Not comparable. Whoop takes heart rate every second and produces zillion more datapoints compared to what takes a measurement every 7 minutes or so

I tried Whoop and Apple Watch. In general, I think it might just be around your WOD habits. I find myself more focused on the tasks and technique needed and/or strategy when not using a tracker. Plus, if you use any kind of grips or wrist wraps it’s not efficient to get all that together. My 2 cents: get a WOD tracker app like BTWB and log your reps, weights and workouts. It’s oddly not perfect but, if you want some sort of tracking going that’s good. TLDR: whoop is expensive and will tell you that you are exhausted when you are obviously exhausted (listen to your body). apple watch is expensive and I was sceptical of the durability when using various weight types.

Whoop I think is the best for CrossFit and not just running. The strain Metric is best for lifting workouts. Journaling features really helped me see what types of behaviors have positive and negative effects. The price point is what made me quit using it. It was fine for running also, but you never got miles or steps, just a strain score. I use a FITBIT inspire now. It was the cheapest, lightest, and longest lasting wearable on the market. The steps feature was more useful for me in regards to overall activity outside of the gym. It does sleep, heart rate, and distance well. It even has a "daily readiness" score similar to Whoops recovery score.

I got whoop mostly to try to help me track/work on my stress levels... So this is appealing to me!

I choose Whoop with the understanding future hardware would be included. This feels like false advertising now in hind-site?

Whoop is excellent at what it does, which is all about strain, recovery, sleep, and HRV. It’s not an exercise tracker in the same way as a Garmin (it has no GPS for example, or screen obviously). If you want 24/7 insights from a device you never take off, it’s great, but it’s its own animal. I love mine. Cycling produces a lot of data. I like Strava and especially Intervals.icu to look at that data. What about HR specifically do you want to share?

Yes! Same— well marathons. I need the insights Whoop provides. I will say however that the most accurate HR monitor I have is my Garmin HRM Pro but I’m not gonna wear that thing all day and night. Plus Whoop has a community, I am a part of a “team” that is very active on chat which motivates and inspires me. I have an Apple Watch which dies too quickly. I also have a Fenix 8 which is clunky as hell.

I returned it due to the cost and bought a Fitbit. The whoop was way more accurate and less buggy

It can track activities if you keep your phone with you. Wouldn’t recommend, I use my whoop for tracking strain and mainly recovery. Check out coros, I got a pace 3 just over 1 month ago and it works very well. I kinda wonder if the pace pro would’ve been a better fit for me because of the better screen but compared to my Apple Watch the pace 3 is a game changer

I don't recommend the Oura ring or any watches. Look into something like Whoop, or for a less expensive option, Polar Verity Sense.

I switched from WHOOP to Garmin. Never looked back. And I'm a data freak. But with WHOOP I felt like a slave to my data, while Garmin is more like a feedback source. Biggest difference for me was with heart rate data. Whoop shows you how much you've spent in a certain threshold. Garmin does that and also shows you exactly how your heart rate changed over time. That way you clearly see how you perform in intervals, marathons, sprints and mixed trainings. I got WHOOP hoping to get my stress under control. I haven't been able to track it there. Meanwhile, in Garmin you get alerts if your heart rate spikes out of the blue. And that's exactly what I was looking for.

Literally all Apple has to do is release a device without a screen. It’s the reason most people want a whoop 

Honestly don’t see the point of these things. After 3 months of the whoop I could really easily predict my numbers. It’s simple. Alcohol bad. Late exercise bad. Late eating bad. More sleep is good. Nothing personal about it  A year later I cancelled it

My Whoop was very off as a sleep tracker. I have insomnia and often lie for a very long time not sleeping and my watch always thought I was asleep. So that meant all my data for the next day which was based on how well I slept was completely wrong. Sometimes it would say I slept 7 hours when I know I slept three or four.

Yeah I use it. It has a new feature where you can add your reps and sets rather than using the “strength trainer” feature. Basically it will accurately detect your muscle strain now without having to constantly go on your phone

I used whoop for a while and it was nice

Coming up on 4 years with whoop, will be canceling and switching to garmin, no tolerance for this

This is gonna sound like a non-answer answer, but it depends on what you want. I have a WHOOP and a Garmin Fenix 5X, so I’ll compare! WHOOP is significantly better at tracking my HR, sleep, recovery (most of the time, sometimes it tells me it’s low but doesn’t tell me much past that), and calories burned based on HR. They also added steps and a new feature where you can track weight training, but the feature needs work. It’s not very user friendly right now but that specific aspect of WHOOP is fairly new, I’ve had it for about 3 years. Garmin is good for most of that same stuff. It’s great tracking your HR for runs, but if you’re a CrossFit/HIIT/interval trainer, it’s inaccurate because it doesn’t stay against your skin well during all the movement without being too tight. I’ve counted my pulse at 150-160 while my Garmin is reading it at 74, which throws off your strain and actual calories burned. If cost is also a factor, Garmin is better. A one time $200-$400 is a GOOD Garmin, though you can get into the $700-$800 range, and I’ve had my Garmin for 6 years. WHOOP right now is $230 a year as a subscription. If I had to choose one as purely a fitness tracker, I’d choose WHOOP 100/100 times. The insights it gives you - if used correctly - are awesome.

Yeah curious what you went with? I just freakin got this Whoop and chose it over a Garmin but when my subscription runs out I'll get Garmin. I wouldn't mind having the watch face tbh.

This was my understanding when I got a Whoop at the start of the year. I'd heard the rumors of a 5.0 but figured, why wait I'm going to get the free upgrade anyway. Should have known to never trust a company.

Their own videos and blog posts said upgrades were free ffs. There's gotta be a lawyer in the sub that can make a class action false advertising case. Seems pretty open and shut.

Whoop works great

My wife got burned by her Whoop in a similar fashion last year and they did nothing besides deny, deny, deny then try to cancel her membership. They said things like "their sensor logs indicated there was never any indication there was an issue with the whoop device". Kinda hard to believe when there was a whoop burn imprinted into my wife's wrist that perfectly matches the whoop she was wearing on the same wrist. Then they went no contact.

I’ve used almost all of them at some point. Whoop is by far the best.

Love my Whoop It's different than the smart watch type of tracker and doesn't have a screen. It's great for sleep tracking too

Yes, IIRC it'll collect 48 hours of data on the band itself and will upload it when it reconnects to your phone. I've used it for my hockey and tough mudder

I use Whoop, I believe it’s an option to where that places other than wrist.

Yes, there is a lot of it so I do find myself only paying attention to some of it so as to not become overwhelmed. The sleep side of things in particular is enlightening and I’m finding it’s impacting my decision making and causing me to be more intentional with regard to my sleep.

I use a whoop but I do much more than bouldering. It’s held up very well for climbing but it’s definitely not worth it if it’s the only activity you do.

Honestly, there's a TON of overlap between Whoop and any other tracker you need. It'll have your HR and HRV, recovery scores, and target strain. The ability to broadcast HR to your phone should let you cover runs and bike rides in strava. Look into various Garmin options if you want something that can record multisport events, I think Coros can do those too. But if you just want something for easy workout tracking that records swim laps and ride/run HR + GPS route, a cheap Fitbit would do the trick as well. Personally, I use a Whoop plus a Garmin Fenix. The whoop is overkill, honestly, since Garmin has a "body battery" recovery metric and can tell you how hard to go with the training on any given day. I use the Whoop because I deal with behaviors very similar to exercise bulimia and I need something that literally tells me, "you've worked hard enough today, it is time to stop." If I didn't need that, a Garmin would absolutely be sufficient on its own.

I really like my Oura ring. That said, if you can tolerate how ugly the Whoop is, I found the data to be more useful.

Sleep data is great with the right tools - SleepWatch on AppleWatch is fantastic for seeing deviations from the usual baseline. Giving insights and recommendations and ideal bedtimes. It’s great to see how a good a workout improves sleep metrics whilst alcohol absolutely destroys it. Once you see this it’s hard to ignore. All of that said, AppleWatch now has an onboard app called ‘vitals’ which basically does the above and shows things in a nice simple format. I’ve had a Whoop and felt it best for those who train a lot of cardio and utilise the rest/recovery feature.

I've had Whoop and Fitbit. I ceased to use any tracker when comparing the different sleep data and HR and most fancy stuff like HRV or Recovery scores or shit like that. My conclusion was it's pretty clear the data is not reliable. If you want to track steps and HR I would take the most basic thing available. Don't expect too much.

I hope you like your Garmin, I felt like the heart rate monitor was absolutely terrible on x2 tactical, no where near any of my Apple Watch’s or whoops. I’m excited To have ecg on a whoop.

I had a normal Apple Watch with Athlytics ~2 years ago to see if I was done w/ Whoop and it just did not cut the mustard. I actually really like Whoop and I’m gonna stick with it because it just works. It’s less finicky, unobtrusive, and it just does almost everything without my input. I don’t need to do any breathing exercises in order to clock my data for a proper score, battery lasts 5 days, etc. That might not be the case anymore, but, I just want my fitness tracker to do one thing. Like many, I didn’t buy the WHOOP for the subscription model and free device. I bought it to keep it simple while getting insights. Maybe I should be upset that I had to pay $75 for their top o’ da line device, but I also kinda don’t give a shit because it fits so seamlessly into my life in a way that nothing else really has. Glad you’re enjoying the ultra.

Hahah, I get asked alot about wearing two watches together. I love my analogue watches so whoop allows me to wear it.

Not really, Apple does a great job when it comes to sleep tracking but whoop in general has given me accurate data compared to apple. I tried both once together and whoop gave me accurate timing of my wake event.

I guess the tracking capabilities of whoop is better. My Apple watch used to show a-lot more calorie burn when I used to finish my workout, whoop is pretty accurate when it comes to that because you have to wear it 24x7, even when it’s charging you can wear it.

Yes it’s the same thing. In India it’s 30k per year. I got it from USA for 32k for two years.

I know, bro, but I use the watch, and I have experienced it. Prior to using this watch, I did not experience frequent headaches as I did not have data with me. I used to ignore it, but I know that I have all the data in the world, and my body works according to data.

Like you i have the F8 and Whoop. F8 is great for specific activities with granular detail when you record it. Whoop measures Strain all day long without you having to manually record it everything. E.g. a strenuous gardening activity, walking the dog all gets recorded (you have to assign these if it is not auto assigned by Whoop) without me having to consciously press record. F8 can't do that. So in every single day, Whoop records your daily wellness and activity levels. Far more useful information than metrics for a specific activity (F8 is great for training metrics so it has its place). I should add that assigning strain to a specific activity ain't important to me either. A day score is enough to tell me how active i have been. That and sleep data - much easier to understand. The HRV readings are not far off from each other (F8 vs Whoop). Will probably renew.

I found with the whoop it massively reinforced what I already knew and because there was actual data around it made me make changes to my lifestyle which I would otherwise have just rationalized away. Top examples were alcohol or a really salty takeaway/meal late at night, both had horrendous impacts on my sleep, heart rate and HRV, so much so that I had to make the conscious decision to want to impact my body like that rather than just pretend it's not happening. For you to get everything out of it you need to use the journal religiously.

I have defended Whoop a million times to people who have queried the billing structure. I just have no leg to stand on now. The technology is excellent and I really want it. But there is no way I'll be paying the upgrade fee. I'll be awaiting the next Apple Watch to see if it has what I'm after. Very disappointed. 3 years of excellent service (in my opinion) only to be utterly money grubbed.

I like my Garmin Fenix. Someone here pointed out that grips stop the workout and that’s true. Straps and grips and a certain angle can hit that button and it sucks. Other than that it does its job really really well. I hate whoop though. It being maybe 3% more accurate with some metrics isn’t enough for me to have to wear the whoop and watch (smart or otherwise). Couple that with the subscription cost. It’s just not worth it for your everyday/local comp person. They’re all trash if you have tattoos on your wrist though. The internal HR monitor struggles there. I use a chest strap or just rotate the watch to the inner part of my wrist.

I use a whoop. No screen so chalk / scratches are nbd at all. I like it, but it is very cardio based, so doesn't well reflect climbing strain.

Haha I had to pay £80 for a replacement as I lost my whoop last week. No mention to me of the new versions. What a scam.

That doesn’t help you when doing anything other than movement with the arm you are wearing the whoop on. I’ve found it to be unreliable.

I loved my Whoop. My general read on a lot of the complaints is that they wanted it to be something different than it was. I've got an Apple Watch now, but there are times and situations where I miss my Whoop.

I don’t recommend anything tbh. I used a whoop for a bit, but I don’t get the point. You can train on days when you don’t feel 100% and you can rest on days when you do feel 100%. Plus, exercise is a pretty poor mechanism for weight loss, so the calories burned doesn’t really make a difference as my TDEE is my TDEE regardless. So I ended up ditching mine. TL;DR: whoop turned around was fine sorry for the rant

I would agree with you on that. I had Garmin fenixes for years, Garmin Epix pro, Apple Watch Ultra, amazfit trex 3 (current watch) and just got a whoop. Imo for weightlifting nothing beats the Apple Watch (ultra or not doesn’t matter) due to all the different apps available. I was using Hevy and the ability to do a live workout between the watch and the phone at the same time was dope: want to change exercice or do more complex changes during your sessions, you simply edit the workout on the phone. But if you want to do just a 5lbs increment on your lift, you can do it from the watch directly live. Only thing I am eager to test with whoop, which is a important part my decision to do the free trial for a month, is to see muscle strain and how it work in tandem with the cardio based strain. Whoop is the only wearable to do that ( but it seems you can do it with Bevel now)

Haha fair :D You know what they say: fake it until you make it lol Tbf, I need more time with the Whoop, but I did one weightlifting session, and I liked how it calculated muscular strain but I found the strength trainer not as good as say Hevy for managing your workouts. I think it will be manageable as I get use to it.

Drove me crazy, even got a bicep band for the AW and still missed 15 minutes of a workout. I was on Whoop for 18 months and got tired of the subscription, but it was a workout tank, never failed. I love the AW but these minor but majorly disruptive annoyances have got to change. Even with the COROS you have to hold the main button down for 5 secs to disrupt any workout and then you have to hold it down again for 3 secs to finish it. I box and I cannot start and activity on the AW and throw it in a gym bag with a HR strap, I can with the COROS.

Garmin watch and now Whoop and never had an issue besides occasionally touching the hot metal on the watch.

I wear an Apple Watch S9 and I have a soft plastic cover on it. I have done this with my past 3 watches and they always look brand new when I take the cover off. No problems. I also wear a Whoop band, and I did get a small scratch on a part of the metal that connects to the band. Its hardly noticeable, and I did switch the band out to a rubber one from the fabric one they give you. Of course, Whoop doesn't have a screen so it's not really an issue to begin with.

Founding member here. Never "cancelled" a subscription faster than when I received that email 2 years ago. Been following the noise of this new announcement for the laugh and I'm not surprised even a little bit. Whoop(s) has turned into a marketing company. Paying top athletes to represent them and they have to afford it somehow! Apple-like announcement in every way. Recycled tech, software update, ope and you have to pay top dollar for it. FYI been an apple watch ultra user since I cancelled. Charge it for 15 mins every morning when I make breakfast. No regrets.

I was a Fenix 5 guy for 5 years, I was a whoop guy for 3 years, and now I’m a Fenix 8 guy for the next 5 years. :)

Yes I use the whoop. However these things are mostly useful as a measure of cardiovascular and sleep health. Whoop tries to do some compensation for primarily strength based activities. But in its current state it’s kind of half baked.

Been wearing a whoop on my right wrist for years

I have a Whoop and Oura, and neither of those seem ideal for your use case. They don't provide continuous SpO2 readings, just a single daily value for SpO2 (I believe this is averaged overnight but not 100% sure). I take multiple times daily SpO2 readings with a finger pulse oximiter and they don't correlate super great with the wearable readings; the Whoop seems to underreport much more than the Oura. Here's a plot of the last 4 months to compare, with the average of my finger readings during the day in green: [https://imgur.com/a/dOAgBcm](https://imgur.com/a/dOAgBcm)

I was with whoop for 4 years. Left last year cause I just couldn’t justify the cost since I haven’t been active enough to need more than my Garmin when I do an activity, plus some bad relationships with sleep metrics. That being said, I’ve thought about coming back and Oura seems the way to go depending. I think Oura/Whoop is comparable to the Apple/Garmin situation. Apple is a great smart watch that’s good at fitness. Garmin is a great fitness watch that’s good at smart watch stuff. Whoop is a great tool for heavy athletes, and Oura is a great tool for people who may not be as serious about it.  For me personally, I couldn’t care less about strain atm. I just want to find a way to maximize my Deep and REM sleep on as few hours as possible, and buying a second hand Oura 3 for $100 seems like a better route than Whoop again 

I personally love it and have been using it for 4 years. It’s helped my training, sleep and diet a great deal, and it has all the metrics I want. I know it gets a lot of shit from some folks, but I dig it.

I’ve had a Garmin for 4 years and a whoop for the last 8 months. Recently stopped wearing the whoop because I found the Garmin just as good and more convenient so I was never checking my whoop data once the novelty wore off

I would say Whoop plus a normal watch. Whoop does not even have a screen so it should satisfy the protocol. Alternatively you could get a fitness ring if you do not want to wear two things on your wrist. As far as I know, all Garmin models come with smart watch functions (ie they have a built-in notification capability). I also found this: https://nowatch.com It looks like an analogue watch but appears to offer health functions, yet no notifications etc.

Whoop is nice but it doesn’t really do anything that other wearables don’t and it costs a shit ton whereas most wearables are a 1 time payment. Glad I’ve been out of whoop for over 2 years now

Whoop step counter is a joke. It reliably thinks I'm walking twice as much as every other fitness tracker I've ever had. It is a good sleep tracker though.

I was thinking of whoop the whole way through that episode! Even before this

I posted a few days ago where they told me they wouldnt replace my faulty band and to just buy a new one. Next day - announcement

I'm in too - and half the features wont even work in aus yet. Not liking seeing previous lies, will argue my case if they end up offering something. But - for now I'm going to enjoy the new whoop when it comes in. Partners getting a new apple watch - I'll borrow his old one. We'll have a 2 month period where we can compare the sleep reporting. I am excited for the blood pressure readings - the rest i just normally pinch his watch for

Yea - I decided to jump in now rather than wait, backing that this will come through shortly like it did for competitors. I didn't want to wait and then be even further away from getting black friday discounts as I'll extend then, assuming I'm still happy. It puts my ending date 17 months away if I choose to part ways - Honestly it doen't seem like a huge update, but I'm in it for the no screen and bicep band. In 17 months (or by black friday) I'll recess what the competitors are doing. I don't like seeing this kind of thing removed - Although I'm 7 days away from the 6 month mark so it would be at that super irritating point to miss out Still deciding what I think of all this. I LOVE the bloodwork idea - But that's a long way away for Aus and I'm betting way too expensive. I did copy paste the tests though and will be getting atleast the medicare supported ones done (I was already in the process of major blooodwork, this just picked up a few that werent on my radar)

Ik this is 4 months old. Oura and whoop both detect alcohol easily. When i used whoop everytime i drank my recovery was in the red. Even if just 2 Miller lite. It's literally a poison it's horrible for you.

I have worn a whoop and a rolex with no problem. If you’re that worried about it strap the whoop to your upper arm.