WHOOP - 5.0 MG

I can’t stand my Apple Watch. It always turns off during my workouts and counting “exercise minutes” is literally pointless. I bought an Ultra 2 because I wanted to have the best shot at success with it and that thing is a POS for health tracking. The whoop is so much more comfortable and consistent at tracking with better data analytics. I have the 5.0 and the band is fine. Idk what everyone is complaining about. Is it something you would wear to dress up an expensive outfit? No, but that’s not really what it is intended for. Personally, I would wear it with a suit without thinking twice because I don’t really care what other people think.

Not really sure what really negative things you’ve heard other than things that whoop doesn’t include in its hardware(telling time, seeing messages like an Apple Watch) it’s data capturing is superior to competitors in most instances and I’ve been using one for 2 years, just upgraded to the 5.0 and have had 0 issues. My only qualm would be that the new tier system costs a bit more. The “one” tier is cheaper than the previous monthly package and the “peak” is the same amount as previous generations with much more insights. Even still, it pales in comparison to the cost of an aura ring at baseline.

I am receiving my Whoop Mg today, after wearing the trial one for 20 or so days. I'm under no illusion that it's a full on medical device, however understanding the info displayed based on my daily activities has been a great experience. I can't fathom sleeping with a giant apple watch on my wrist. It took a little bit for me to get used to wearing the whoop band to sleep.. i'm used to it now and it's really not too bad.

I feel like a bum for buying the 5.0 now

I was pretty pissed off but it looks like the new device IS free, the wording is just super bad - I need to confirm with customer service, but it looks like if I can upgrade to the 5.0 for free and my subscription will renew again in January at the same price, *or* I can upgrade to the Mg and then renew at the higher price. If they want me to pay all that shit up front, then it's a hard pass. And all that said, it's still nickel-and-diming bullshit. I'm struggling to articulate this via text, but like, I am confident that making two devices and multiple apps have associated costs. They could have kept their costs down by making one device and then recouped it by making the app slightly more expensive, right? I think most of us would have been fine with the Mg being the only device and "hey, we've made the app and the device track all these extra things and it's going to cost an extra $5/mo or $25/yr or whatever from here on out as a result" versus the absolute mess of a rollout we got.

I was pretty pissed off but it looks like the new device IS free, the wording is just super bad - I need to confirm with customer service, but it looks like if I can upgrade to the 5.0 for free and my subscription will renew again in January at the same price, *or* I can upgrade to the Mg and then renew at the higher price. If they want me to pay all that shit up front, then it's a hard pass. And all that said, it's still nickel-and-diming bullshit. I'm struggling to articulate this via text, but like, I am confident that making two devices and multiple apps have associated costs. They could have kept their costs down by making one device and then recouped it by making the app slightly more expensive, right? I think most of us would have been fine with the Mg being the only device and "hey, we've made the app and the device track all these extra things and it's going to cost an extra $5/mo or $25/yr or whatever from here on out as a result" versus the absolute mess of a rollout we got.

I canceled my Whoop subscription the day they announced their new bullshit. When they wouldn't refund me, I filed a chargeback with my credit card company. I just want very basic and accurate tracking of a few different health metrics with no screen (I like wearing analog watches) and Polar has been a trusted name in that market for a long time. For less than the cost of a Whoop subscription, I'll give it a shot.

I think converting the remaining months to fewer months for MG is wrong (we already paid for that time, 18 months in your case, and it does seem like breach of contract since they said upgrades are free). That being said, if they want to increase the membership cost for future not yet paid for months that we may opt to buy, they're well within their right to do that and the hardware is still free. But the converting our existing months to less time feels icky and I'm not sure what the point is because this is just annoying and it's a temporary source of cash for them at best.

I don't think it's Will who's driving this, it's SoftBank lol. If it'd been up to Will, everyone would have gotten the MG. That was OG Whoop vibes, the best data for all. Tiered approaches are a classic private equity play because they allow for capture of more of the market.

It's not bad, the 5.0 is a very lackluster "upgrade" from the 4.0 but it's still a good tracker if you are ok with the subscription and being locked in for at least 12 month at a time. All the chaos was because of the new tiered subscription approach and wanting an upgrade fee from people if they don't commit another 12 months upfront.

I have 11 months left on mine (have subscribed for 6+ years) and I don’t get a free 5.0

I have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 as well and a Withings blood pressure monitor so idk if it’s worth it for MG tbh If there was a good app with good analytics that can leverage the data from Apple Watch I would prob dump the whoop tbh

https://preview.redd.it/hv2fga6f7rmf1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99a84cce1e64606032a13b82d89c73ace9f8052b just not sure, but is the whoop5.0 more accurate than whoop mg?

got it. am loving my whoop so far. i used helio strap for 1 month, great device, but just prefer the whole whoop app and how the hardware feels on my wrist. im not hard core athlete, play pickleball 2-3times a week.

Having had my MG for a couple of days and run, cycled and lifted weights with it, I can say confidently that it's ability to measure HR on the wrist during activity is just as bad as the 4.0 was. The 4.0 was excellent with a bicep band and I am desperately awaiting my bicep band for the MG. I do think forcing everyone to buy new bands was cynical by Whoop. It would have been incredibly simple to making it compatible with existing bands. Apple have with their watch for 10 iterations.

Got the 5.0, wanted the MG but the price wasn't justified. I also use it at the gym and i find my fitbit has better HR tracking than my Whoop which is weird. Anyways ill wait and see

Honestly, main reason I consider paying 100€ to get the MG right now, is that it will shorten my remaining subscription from 15 to 10 months. After that, I will most likely terminate. Was really, really looking forward to today and I am completely disappointed. 

Same here. No upgrades on sensors, but ridiculous upgrading cost makes this launch a huge disappointment for me. And I was really, really looking forward to it. Would even have accepted the annual price of the MG, if it would have received an entirely new set of sensors. With Garmin and others, every generation gets new, improved sensors while Whoop uses the same ones as in a four year old device? 

Same here... I was absolutely pissed about the 89€ fee (when everything is far cheaper anyways in USD). Still decided to do it - and lose a third of my remaining subscription - only to see on check-out that they charge 12€ on top of all this to ship this tiny box? Ridiculous... I aborted the order. Need to think about what to do with my 15 remaining months. In any case, Whoop lost all the (substantial) sympathy I had for the brand. 

Personally I think the negativity will always be louder than the positivity. I just unboxed and did a first impressions yesterday (MG) and I think that it’s just not different enough physically and when you couple that with higher pricing and having to basically get all new accessories - it’s a bad combination. I think the software will get better and if you are on MG you will likely receive any new software features either first or exclusively. I think with sub model pressure is really on to innovate quickly and outside of battery life improvements and ECG - 5.0 seems like an iPhone “S” update.

The new pricing tiers make no sense. To get 5.0 you need to upgrade to the peak plan and all you get is the pace of aging metric? No BP or Afiv, or ECG.  SCAM! 

Oh btw they are now getting rid of stress monitor and moving it to the peak plan. 

The new pricing tiers make no sense. The only thing new you get for the peak is pace of aging? BS!

A few weeks ago I mentioned I’d be racing an olympic distance triathlon with a stack of wearables strapped to me. Well, I did it, and here are the (raw) results. **TL;DR:** Raced a tri with WHOOP, Polar360, Helio strap, Garmin Instinct 3, and Oura Ring 4. Polar was the most reliable, WHOOP decent but spiky in swim, Helio finicky about placement, Garmin surprisingly messy, Oura useless for sport. For anyone not familiar, Olympic distance triathlon is: 1. 1.5km swim 2. 40km bike 3. 10km run On the right arm I had the (from top) **WHOOP MG, Polar360, and Helio strap** stacked up. On the left, the **Garmin Instinct 3** and **Oura Ring 4**. I looked ridiculous (but not more than everyday since I wear them all constantly), but I was curious to see how they’d compare across swim, bike, and run in real race conditions. [Hybrid athlete xD](https://preview.redd.it/9cm22jzi1rmf1.jpg?width=2784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1612dd2a8e3c8635dce07ca55eebcdae111b9dc5) Here’s how it went: * **Swim:** I got both legs cramped at 1km mark. Thoughts of DNF were running through my head, but I really wanted to see the comparison (:P), so I prevailed and swam the last 500m with my arms only, dragging my uselessly cramped legs behind me. * WHOOP thought I was hitting 200 bpm most of the time (I wasn’t). * Polar, Helio, Garmin seem all decent, in similar range, although knowing my HR from many other swims, I'd say that Polar was the most accurate. * Oura basically zoned out for the full race. * **Bike:** When I finally got my legs moving again, the bike leg went smoothly. Hit a steady 34km/h avg pace. I could've pushed more, as my HR was between 150-160, but I was afraid of losing my legs again. * Helio struggled at first, underreporting HR badly (I noticed on my bike computer that it was connected to), until I moved it higher up my arm mid-ride. After that it snapped back in line. * Polar and WHOOP held strong. * Garmin was all over the place with noisy spikes. . * **Run:** This was actually the easiest leg for all wearables, and myself. By the end of the run the different devices were surprisingly aligned, except Oura that was again useless. https://preview.redd.it/ksy9407u2rmf1.png?width=1041&format=png&auto=webp&s=1166550aacc3f9fa1a3ef6103ac11df633f907f9 https://preview.redd.it/fb61lg483rmf1.png?width=1054&format=png&auto=webp&s=a5c716a5d4c68f3b38dffa08797792eac9cd2045 Overall impressions: * **Polar360** was the most reliable of the bunch. I was definitely not expecting that! * **WHOOP** is decent but not flawless, especially in water. It had the best arm placement of all the wearables, so there should be no excuses (I know some people will find many). * **Amazfit Helio** started with a disadvantage of being the lowest on the wrist, when moved up, was decent. In my opinion better than WHOOP, worse than Polar360. * **Garmin Instinct 3** really surprised me with how messy the HR data was. I am very negatively surprised with these results.  * **Oura Ring 4** confirmed what most of us already know: great for sleep and recovery, not for sport. My current band rating: 1. Polar360 2. Helio strap 3. WHOOP 4. Garmin 5. Oura Why did I do this? Mostly curiosity — and partly because I’m working on a side project (reThrive) where we’re digging into how different devices capture performance and recovery. I figured some of you here would appreciate raw, messy comparisons like this too. Next on my list is to look at how each of these devices calculates **recovery scores** over the last month and see if they align at all. If you’re interested, I’ll share those results too. I will also be racing a half-marathon later this month, also wearing them all. And will post the update here as well.

meh... I was part of an Adidas study that paid me whoop for 1 and half year. I just recently renewed as I am definitely more athletic than before. In particular the increase in sleep quantity and quality was a big factor and I could not have achieved the same level of insight with my Polar vantage v3

let's face it. the piece of HW itself, if sold as HW would be at around 150eur pricepoint (see Polar verity sense as a reference - 100eur, it has accelerometer and a serious HR sensor). If I upgrade to 5.0, the worst case scenario is that whoop makes around 120eur (60 eur one time fee + 60eur for the bicep band which is a must to have as the wrist is shit to take pulse during activity - they will claim the sensor is better and stuff, but it's just marketing... see Polar/Garmin/Suunto again, they've been improving their sensors for years, but wrist is intrinsically bad for taking pulse) on top of the subscription. I mean, it's overpriced, period. The MG really doesn't make sense. I have the electrocardiogram on my polar v3, is useless. You run it and then? You can print it and send it to your doctor... for what? The blood pressure even more useless... it's an estimate. How accurate can be estimating blood pressure from the wrist HR sensor when it's not accurate in tracking HR itself? I'm not price sensitive too, but I don't like wasting money too. The only real upgrade here is battery life.

let's face it. the piece of HW itself, if sold as HW would be at around 150eur pricepoint (see Polar verity sense as a reference - 100eur, it has accelerometer and a serious HR sensor). If I upgrade to 5.0, the worst case scenario is that whoop makes around 120eur (60 eur one time fee + 60eur for the bicep band which is a must to have as the wrist is shit to take pulse during activity - they will claim the sensor is better and stuff, but it's just marketing... see Polar/Garmin/Suunto again, they've been improving their sensors for years, but wrist is intrinsically bad for taking pulse) on top of the subscription. I mean, it's overpriced, period. The MG really doesn't make sense. I have the electrocardiogram on my polar v3, is useless. You run it and then? You can print it and send it to your doctor... for what? The blood pressure even more useless... it's an estimate. How accurate can be estimating blood pressure from the wrist HR sensor when it's not accurate in tracking HR itself? I'm not price sensitive too, but I don't like wasting money too. The only real upgrade here is battery life.

Yeah my WHOOP was $10 and I love it. Get your own here + first month free: https://join.whoop.com/3C5A5E

Same experience. Whoop didn’t recognise I had exercised for half my training sessions. Had to start manually etc

Is anyone else pissed about the fact that none of the bands are compatible with the new 5.0 or MG? I have spent lots of money over the years buying the various bands as well as some of the clothing items that you can put the sensors into. According to the FAQ, none of these accessories are compatible with the new models, meaning sinking even more money into new accessories. This might be the deal breaker for me.

Is anyone else pissed about the fact that none of the bands are compatible with the new 5.0 or MG? I have spent lots of money over the years buying the various bands as well as some of the clothing items that you can put the sensors into. According to the FAQ, none of these accessories are compatible with the new models, meaning sinking even more money into new accessories. This might be the deal breaker for me.

I am from India, used whoop for a year when the 4.0 launched. Post that I have used a Garmin, a coros, a pixel watch, a chest strap and an apple watch as well. Now I am back on whoop. It depends on one's goals actually. The apple watch is good at general tracking. The whole rings system is a good daily motivator and social aspect pushes one to achieve daily/weekly/monthly goals. The strength training part was usually an overestimate, so not much of a use unless a third party app is used. Sleep tracking was a bit hard for me cause of the comfort as well as battery/charging issues. Coros and Garmin were good for running and cardio tracking. The battery life was so good. The sleep and recovery part felt really bad on both. I used it mainly to maintain zone 2 heart beat during my cardio sessions. I returned to whoop because it was the one that actually helped me improve my sleep, my daily intensity and habits. Also the trends and data felt more usable than every other wearable. Its the best if you like optimising things based on data. With whoop 5.0/MG the battery is finally really good, the comfort for sleeping is the still the best. Yes, the tracking is sometimes off during upper body workout days, for which I used a bicep band when I was on 4.0. But, I currently only have the wrist version for the MG, so yeah it sucks sometimes but I guess I am fine. The pace of aging, whoop age, bp etc feel like a gimmick and mostly derived from the trends and data already available previously. I think 5.0 peak is good enough. I wish I could downgrade to peak, but they are not letting me do that. The only upgrade of 5.0/MG over the 4.0 is the battery life imo. Still I find whoop to be the best for my current needs. Its really good with sleep tracking and recovery estimates. Also, the RHR and Vo2max trends help me set goals. Plus it lets me wear my wrist watches.

Agree the MG band feels cheap (I thought it feels more premium coming from the standard 4.0 band). Only having it for two days but the BP is very accurate for the two days where I compared it to my clinical BP device. What I still need tif I gute out is how accurate the new sensors are. When doing a workout I get around 50% more calories burned according to my Apple Watch compared to the Whoop MG. Like 200kcal on Whoop but 300kcal with the Apple Watch. So one of the devices is noticeable off. I think it’s the whoop given the sensor quality on the 4.0 but the numbers in the Whoop make more sense given the intensity of my workout session.

I have a Whoop (obviously), Oura Ring 3 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 (+ Bevel App) in daily use. If I would need to remove one device it would be the Whoop. If I would need to remove two devices it would be Whoop + Oura Ring. In my use the Whoop is the most unreliable in terms of data collection. It regularly detects workouts when I do nothing. Recently had a „workout“ of Yoga that moved my strain on that day from 4.1 to 17.3 in just 20min. Problem was I was sitting on my chair doing office work. This stuff happens every few weeks and definitely lowered my trust in the accuracy of the device. Apart from that it is more comfortable to wear than the Apple Watch but less comfortable than the Oura Ring (especially for sleep tracking). What I like is the customization options with different bands (I have a black and a blue one) which you can use to make it fit your outfit better. I thought about getting a biceps strap but I‘m not paying the ridiculous prices Whoops charges for this. Oura is obviously always looking the same and I don’t like that it scratches relatively easily especially if you wear it while lifting. Build quality on the other side is perfectly fine for me. The Apple Watch feels most premium out of the three devices, has the most functions and I trust it‘s data the most in terms of accuracy. In combination with the Bevel App it gives me a lot of insight. Honestly without Bevel I would not get the Apple Watch if your only purpose is health tracking. Apples pre-installed health apps on the watch/phone have all the data but they way it‘s displayed and summarized is awful. I don’t mind paying my 6$ per month for Bevel and I got the Watch not only for health reasons but also to use its other features but keep in mind that Bevel is something you probably need to replace Whoop/Oura with the Apple Watch. If my Oura Ring 3 fails in the future I will probably get a Gen 4 ring. If Apple introduces a Ultra 3/4/5 etc with new useful sensors I can imagine upgrading. If my current watch breaks I would buy it again without a doubt. For Whoop I’m currently on the road to not extend my subscription once it expires. I‘m a bit over half way through my 2 year subscription and since I anyway paid for it I will continue wearing the Whoop daily but as of now I don’t really see a reason to renew it. Hopefully when this time arrives the introduced Whoop 5 or made significant improvements to the software and features. For those interested: Battery life I get with Whoop + Oura is basically the same of around 5 days. The Apple Watch lasts around 4 days (I have Always on off which boost the battery life significantly).

So there is no 5.0, 5.0 is just a firmware update? No new hardware? If so then I'm unsurprised thate people are annoyed seeing as they were told they'd get free hardware upgrades as part of their sub when they bought as it was the messaging on the website as one of the "pros" of buying a whoop vs competitor. 

If you do any training outside bjj, the bjj data let's you implement it into your programming. Can tell you weak points and even inform your programming direction. The answer OP, is whoop, can wear the arm sleeve or bicep band and it doesn't interfere with rolling. 

I came over from Apple Watch and love my 5.0, paid for 18 months but if I were you I’d just stay on Apple Watch. Feel like Apple Watches are only getting better and 3rd party watch apps like Bevel are a solid alternative ($50)/year. Whoop as much as I love it is overpriced for the long term value. Great for building strong habits and honestly love the no screen sometimes. That being said, I believe Apple will come out with a watch air model next year (slimmer/low profile) design similar to the iPhone Air this year. That’s when the momentum will really switch to Apple.

On the other hand, in the new offers, avoid the One version. You end up with the clamped bracelet. What you won't get with the "One": -Healthspan - Stress monitor - Health monitor. It costs 199 euros per year, for 64 euros more it’s the “Peak” version. The bracelet renamed to “One” loses all its meaning. The Life version is more niche, but the best. The price is crazy, but I take it for its more advanced metrics or rather which is catching up compared to the competition.

you have to pay 59€ for the whoop 5.0 upgrade and the new functions, or you continue your membership for 250€ and get the device for free and also 12 months again...

Good to differentiate the hate versus the product. Hate is towards the pricing and how earlier customers were told future device upgrades would be free. And alas, it is not. As for the product, looks like a real step change in features and metrics. I’ll have mine later this week! From what I heard from earlier beta testers it seems to be a solid upgrade.

Apple Watch samples less frequently during rest/inactive periods to save battery. During active workouts, it boosts sampling. But overall, WHOOP tends to have more consistent high-frequency sampling. If i aint wrong , WHOOP 5.0 captures heart rate ~26 times per second, which is pretty high resolution.

You'll be able to get rhe 5.0 for free. You'll be on peak, just ask for the band / device upgrade through the app. The MG would need more £,€,$,¥ unfortunately though. Hope that helps!

You'll be able to get rhe 5.0 for free. You'll be on peak, just ask for the band / device upgrade through the app. The MG would need more £,€,$,¥ unfortunately though. Hope that helps!

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I think this is pretty fair? We all get Peak, which is far better battery life, and improved sensors. If we want to upgrade to MG we can pay the upgrade fee and the difference in remaining subscriptions is used towards the difference in costs.

I use whoop , I like it that it doesn’t have screen, lasts long between charges and it’s comfortable to sleep with . I know some ppl complain about it but I really like it . [Can read a full review](https://barefootbasil.com/whoop-band-review/)if interested

who says I'm gonna cancel? I extended 4 days ago, and I just don't want to cough up another €264 today to pay for 2026...

Because 1) nothing was officially confirmed at that time, 2) I didn't want my Whoop to become useless for weeks, and 3) I would expect a company to sort out users paying users over inactive users. You realize how stupid this sounds? To save money short term, I'd be better off to stop paying and using their product, to get a free product

Well I'm not. Here's a copy/paste from the payment page: Total Due €70.99 By placing an order, you agree to the WHOOP Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. Your next bill is €264 and *will be billed on May 5, 2026*. Thereafter your membership will renew automatically as an annual WHOOP Peak membership. PLACE ORDER

I do. I have a Garmin Forerunner 970 and a Whoop 5.0 I got a week ago. Most of the metrics like HRV and RHR are close enough, usualy off by 2 ms or bpm (respectively) or so on each device. Garmin's sleep detection is just garbage, though, which if why I got the Whoop to try out. I'm not sure I agree with how Whoop manages recovery, but at least it does seem better at tracking sleep.

I just got the whoop 5.0 mg. to me its a huge upgrade just because of the battery life. the whoop 4.0 had a battery that could last around 5 days while the whoop 5.0 can last you two weeks. 5.0 is also a smaller and lighter device which for me is another big plus. I dont think I could ever go back to 4.0 after using the 5.0.

APPLE WATCH ULTRA 2 because of cellular data and WHOOP MG. Has been a real game changer for me.

Always been interested in whoop and decided to order the 5.0 on release day. Never having owned a whoop before I’ve got no say in memberships being cancelled and the change in terms of service. I’ve owned the Garnin Venu 2s, and currently wear the Apple Watch series 10. As someone likes tech, stats, comparative analytics, graphical analysis and the overall gamification of data. Mind you the whoop app still has its training wheels on for me, I think I made the right choice. I’m by no means, the super fit athletic type, just your everyday dad that likes numbers and feels that whoop offers more in terms of quality of information needed to guide me towards a healthier lifestyle. With that being said, my Apple Watch is alway going to be on my wrist.

yes, 5.0 is more in line with 4.0, feature wise except the 5.0 has the 14 day battery life. MG has the Medical Grade features that 5.0 does not have.

yes, 5.0 is more in line with 4.0, feature wise except the 5.0 has the 14 day battery life. MG has the Medical Grade features that 5.0 does not have.

Quick summary: We all backed them on Kickstarter, $500 for nothing but a promise to maybe get something. One time fee, lifetime of use. In the meantime they switched from a hardware company to a subscription company but left us alone. All was good until 4.0, then they pulled the “just kidding” and started charging us. Less than others (but only after MUCH complaining). The overall consensus from non founding members was “quit your crying, it’s still a good deal”. I must say I’m really enjoying the 5.0 roll-out reaction.

Yes, MG is the real update of the existing 4.0  and they expect us to pay extra for it, Even if we are loyal long  time customers

I don’t understand. I was able to exchange my Whoop 4.0 for free and get the 5.0 for free (EU citizen). If I compare this to an Apple product (as everyone does, but I still don’t understand why everyone complains): If I take an Apple Watch Series 9, and Apple tells me that I’ll get the new product for free when a new one comes out, it seems logical to expect to have access to the Apple Watch 10 at no cost. But would that logic still apply if Apple releases the Series 10 and the Ultra at the same time (like Whoop did with the 5.0 and MG)? Based on my contract and subscription, the Apple Watch Ultra wouldn’t be considered part of the new version since it’s a completely new product. Plus, Whoop also specifies that anyone subscribing through their site will get this upgrade for free. (That’s my current case.) Can someone explain to me why nobody is happy?

It is also smaller (though that means existing bands don't work!) and the sensors are supposed to be a bit upgraded. They called out better gyroscope and vibration at least that I remember. That combined with the better battery life may or may not be worth it...

Yeah.. the ECG is of course limited to the MG but I'm not sure that the blood pressure should need to be only on that device. The healthspan thing seems weird to be gated especially

[Whoop](https://www.whoop.com/us/en/) has no messaging, phone calls or even a screen. It's strictly a fitness tracker.

Yes it does. Just not Garmin. Several other people have already commented Whoop, and that does exactly what OP needs. It's okay to say you don't know, or just don't comment at all. But to say it doesn't exist is just wrong.

What I think is misleading is that they ARE providing the upgrade to 5.0 when you renew. BUT... when you actually have to renew is the issue. We are all on different renewal cycles, some have 1 month left, some just started and have 11 months or more left. The person with 1 month left with renew and get a 5.0. But it is not fair to think that 11 month or more person has to wait that long to get their upgrade... so there should be a 3 month cap (max I'd say) until you are sent one automatically. As for the MG tier, I honestly think it should be included in the 5.0 but with a reasonable price increase. Put out only the MG device at $300/year. Also, bring back the damn hydroknit bands! Those are bomb and the big reason I would miss the 4.0.

I just came off a month trial of WHOOP 5.0. I loved the UI and the AI coach. However, I have reservations about its accuracy. A couple of examples: -I did a variable intensity ramp run where I had a WHOOP on one wrist, and a Garmin on the other wrist paired to a Polar H10 HR strap. The WHOOP for some reason pegged me in zone 5 for basically the entire run. How?? It was a ramp run. -Sleep stages were typically MUCH more generous than with my oura ring, and oura is generally regarded (along with AW) as being much more accurate than WHOOP. It’s inconceivable that all of a sudden I’m getting 90 minutes of deep sleep a night, just by virtue of using WHOOP. -I’ve been wearing my Garmin as my primary activity tracker for a few weeks, as I lost my oura. Garmin’s sleep tracking is questionable at best, but *at least* it was picking up my afternoon naps, whereas WHOOP was missing them.

I think both offer different use cases. Always had the latest Apple Watch and currently rocking AWU2. Few months ago decided opt in for a Whoop MG. Reason being is I wanted more detail about my health tracking. Yes, AWU2 can do most if not all of what Whoop can however try sleeping with an AWU2 on…it’s not easy. Realising you need to charge it before a workout and then having to delay things. Perhaps minor issue for some but pretty relative to me. Also having worn the whoop for almost 2 months I forget I’m wearing it. I charge 1 week to keep it topped up. Also the other deciding factor is that I wanted to keep away from distractions. Looking at screens all day and then when I work out is just too much for me. Finally, I get to wear a mechanical watch again!!! Genuinely missed wearing one. Wearing an Apple Watch at a function where you have to dress smart doesn’t look so great. Whoop has its issues too. Some time the heart rate tracking can be off. So can the calories. But it’s about overall trend. Really think it comes down to use case.

I tested at least half a dozen wearables in the last few years and Oura and Whoop are my favorites. That said, Polar’s new screenless strap called Loop is very interesting, check it out. It’s like Whoop but no monthly fees, and Polar has a long history of excellent health / fitness tracking.

Bold assumption? It’s the whole point of a subscription, getting the latest updates. Otherwise you buy an apple watch. You do realise how much per year we pay for whoop? Bold assumption? I will be on the doorstep if they don’t give us 5.0 for “free” like anything is free paying every month 😮‍💨

Hahaha the doorstep is tempting me but I paid my year subscription in Jan, I am still on the fence. I am quite angry you have to pay extra or extend your subscription to get 5.0. Ngl but also love some of the new features…

Only thing keeping me on whoop at this point is I like sleep tracking, but don’t like sleeping with my Apple Watch on..

I was an Apple Watch Ultra user for a long time. I switched to the Whoop MG with Life about a month ago. I love it. And I’m able to just wear it on my bicep. Not only is my tracking much more accurate but it frees up my wrists for a non smart watch. The insights and sleep tracking are very valuable for me. And most of all I don’t have an extension of my phone on my wrist 24 hours a day. No regrets.

Since I just renewed an annual subscription and have 10 months left (now 8 after the upgrade) I am going to pay the upgrade fee for the MG and will 100% cancel when my 8 months are up. I’m not happy about but ok with paying the upgrade fee plus shipping to try out the new tech since I already paid for the subscription. But then I’m out. Time to upgrade my series 4 Apple Watch to whatever comes out in September.

I renewed on the 19th of April, fully expecting to get the new device. You can imagine my shock when, after finding out that not only is Whoop 5.0 barely an upgrade on 4.0, but that I have to pay to get it as well. Here is the email I sent them, feel free to copy if you live in the UK: I am writing to formally raise a complaint regarding misleading advertising in connection with your product and membership model. At the time of my subscription, your website clearly stated that future device upgrades would be included for free as part of the membership. This statement was prominently displayed and was the primary reason I chose to enter into a long-term membership, paying several hundred pounds. Now that Whoop 5.0 has been released, I was surprised and disappointed to learn that an additional fee is being demanded for the upgrade. This contradicts the advertised promise and constitutes a **misleading commercial practice** under the **Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008**. Specifically, Regulation 5 prohibits misleading actions that cause consumers to make transactional decisions they would not otherwise have made. Under UK consumer law, misleading advertising can render a contract voidable, and I would not have subscribed without the clear promise of free hardware upgrades. I therefore request the following: **Primary request:** Please send me the Whoop 5.0 free of charge, as originally promised. Alternatively, if this is not granted, I request: * Immediate cancellation of my membership, and * A full refund of all membership payments made to date. Please provide a binding response within **14 days**. If no satisfactory solution is offered, I will escalate the matter to **Trading Standards** and the **Competition and Markets Authority (CMA)** and consider further legal steps.

I had over 12 months left when I Upgraded to the 5.0 and just got a refund of the upgrade fee… fyi got an email to say they have updated their eligibility criteria.

I got the 5.0 MG, I cannot wait :) I got rid of my garmin.

I have had my 5 for a couple of days and I’m pretty impressed. I hated how my Apple Watch was essentially an extension of my phone. This gives me all of the details I want without the phone features.

Ive used whoop since the 3.0 I cancelled my subscription and got a galaxy watch 4. With my time with the galaxy watch I learnt that for my needs the whoop was better so I came back and got the 4.0 the collected data with whoop is better, the fact it had no screen is a plus as I like to wear real watches, the strength trainer in my opinion is good (could be much much better though) there's other factors but I dont want to be boring With no news on the 5.0 i got the galaxy watch ultra at the end of last year as I had heard that the watch was much better now and so was their health app. However I didnt find this again suited my needs and I really dont like smartwatches however the thing I liked about the galaxy watch Is it has sleep apnea testing, ecg and irregular heart rate notification. now that the 5.0 has them things I can say they are giving me what I want from a fitness tracker and I can put the smart watch away for good instead of having the whoop and galaxy watch on me at all times. The whoop 5.0 has what I want. That being said if there was a screen less alternative to whoop that offered the same features if not morw I would definitely try them out. I have no loyalty to whoop they just currently tick the boxes of what I want

pretty pissed to see the Whoop 5.0 be pretty much the same thing but the WHOOP MG got all the real new features. going to try out MG for a couple months until my subscription expires after which i'm probably just going to get an apple watch lol

This! I had a Whoop and Apple Watch at the same time. I was out swimming and the Apple Watch screen came off and was flapping in the water. Never bothered to get a new one, I don’t need a watch, I want a fitness/health device and screens are just a failure point.

When I was using my AW and whoop at CrossFit, the whoop auto tracked my workouts way better and it provided a felt like a more accurate assessment of the workout then my AW.

I literally just have my battery pack on a 3 inch usbc charger cable hanging from the wall in my bathroom. Every day when I shower I slide my whoop on and I've not had to even think about my whoops battery in months.

Personally I switched from an Apple Watch 8 to a whoop 5 mg because I hated having to charge my Apple Watch daily or every ~36 hours. With the whoop I get basically everything the Apple Watch has as far as fitness tracking and the battery lasts an honest 14 days, and to charge it, you don’t need to take off your whoop. It includes a little portable battery you charge separately and snap onto the device when you want to charge it. So I’ve gone about 3 months now without taking my whoop off once or having a day where I didn’t have health or sleep metrics tracked because it was dead. It’s also way more comfortable to sleep with, you’ll forget you’re wearing it. I sort of miss wearing the Apple Watch for telling the time, for the first month with my whoop I kept looking at it when I wanted to check the time. I’m fine with no notifications on my wrist though, I think life has improved without that. I do miss being able to ping by phone from my watch though if I misplaced it at home. What’s cool though is whoop has different strap options and even underwear you can put the tracker in. So what I could do is on days I want to wear a real watch, I can use the whoop armband instead. I also like whoops journals and insights better than Apple Watch, and feel like it organizes and displays your data in a better way. The community aspect is nice too, you can see how your metrics compare to others in your age group, profession, etc. One more thing that is nice about the Apple Watch is it records your heart rate data continuously, so you can see your historical heart rate data at an almost minute by minute interval. Whoop aggregates longer timeframes using averages, except when working out when it’ll record all the raw data. TLDR, id switch back to an Apple Watch if they can get the battery life to last at least 5 days and can slim it down to make it more comfortable while sleeping. Whoop is a device you wear and literally just forget about.

This is not what my app or anyone else I have seen offers you. If you do not want the MG its $49 for the 5.0 upgrade.

This is not what my app or anyone else I have seen offers you. If you do not want the MG its $49 for the 5.0 upgrade.

Free hardware upgrades with a subscription was one of their main sales pitches, why they were better and different than the competition. It doesn't matter if what they did was legal or not they burned bridges with their user base. Not too mention there is Apple incremental and there is then this 4 years in the making essentially no changes other than you can't use your old accessories suckers!

Canceled my membership 3 months ago. Missing it a bit... That the 5.0 don't let me use my bands I bought last year is so fucking bad... And that you have to pay more to get insights that your device could give you with the cheapest plan...  You have the same sensor but have to pay more for more windows on the app?!  Wtf

Love this breakdown; this is the kind of real-world testing we all want but rarely get. Polar sneaking in as the most reliable is wild, especially since most people default to Garmin for sports. Also confirms what a lot of us suspect: WHOOP is solid but still has blind spots (especially in water), Oura is basically just a sleep tracker, and Garmin isn’t as bulletproof as its reputation. Huge respect for strapping five devices on during a tri — that’s some true hybrid-athlete-meets-mad-scientist energy. Please keep posting updates, especially the recovery score comparison. This is gold.

I’ve dropped a lot of cash on wearable devices, trying to figure out which ones work best for tracking my health and fitness. Here’s my take on each, cleaned up for clarity: 1. Oura Ring: I like this one a lot. It’s awesome for displaying sleep data in a clear way, and I don’t mind the monthly subscription. That said, it’s mostly focused on sleep tracking. It can get uncomfortable when I’m lifting weights or wearing motorcycle gloves. Their customer service is great, though—they replaced my ring even after the warranty was long gone. My only worry is how they handle user data; I’m not sure I trust their database practices. 2. RingConn: This was a total bust. The UI and UX are awful, and my device had a sensor error. I emailed their support for weeks with no response. Only after I posted about it on X did they reach out and send a replacement. Honestly, it’s not worth the money or the headache. 3. Apple Watch Ultra 2: This is great for tracking activities like running and general fitness. The data has gotten much better, but if you want in-depth info on sleep, stress, or what Whoop offers, you’re stuck paying for multiple subscriptions. I use it for sleep, running, and pretty much any activity, and it does the job well. I decided to pair it with the Whoop since they complement each other perfectly, and I still get to show off my cool watches. 4. Whoop 5.0: This is my top pick. The data is incredibly detailed, and the new bicep strap is so comfortable I forget it’s on. It doesn’t auto-detect activities, but I sync everything from Apple Health, so I don’t need to manually start or stop tracking. Pairing it with the Apple Watch works like a charm, giving me the best of both worlds while letting me wear my favorite watches. After spending all this time and money, I’d say the Whoop 5.0, paired with the Apple Watch, is totally worth it for me. It’s the most complete and seamless setup I’ve found.

Maybe I'm an odd one out but I've been a whoop member since 2019, paid an $80 upgrade fee, got a free gift box since I've logged 1800+ recoveries, and I've enjoyed whoop. I pay the monthly membership fee, not yearly. From the sounds of it alot of people have purchased a yearly, weren't happy, then got upset about the refund process.

That makes sense. I'll be honest, I didn't know about the free upgrade, otherwise I'd be feel lied to as well.

Mine came today. The bracelet feels cheaper, the sides are so thin/weak mine were pushing outwards meaning the pins were showing and nearly out. I removed the device and bent them back in and it’s better. But feels lower quality metal than my 4.0. Also the shiny metal just looks cheaper/obvious than my 4.0 black one. It does feel a fraction smaller/lighter but the old one didn’t bother me…I think they’d have been better keeping the same size/bands and add more tech or just making it thinner. Only had it on for 5 hours BUT battery is still at 100% and seems to connect to the App quicker. My first 4.0 was quick but recent replacement slow as sometimes. I love Whoop, I love how it’s kept me in check and has no screen. I’ll keep paying…until someone else comes along with a no screen, higher quality device.

I'm writing this long review, because I very much like Whoop, but I'm frustrated with it a lot. Lately I've spent a lot of time looking for alternatives, and I could not find literally anything, not a single one. I've got Whoop 5 MG, while my partner has a couple of months to decide before paying for another year. Writing down my thoughts is the best way for me to stop thinking about it and move to another things. **Whoop bashing starts later at "Privacy policy" <- don't worry Reddit, I got you ;)** For now lets start with what I like about Whoop specifically, which makes it irreplaceable for me: # The form factor * I need something small and comfortable, to actually wear 24/7/365. Nothing else comes close. I can put it on a bicep during kick-boxing, and just stuff it into my underwear when playing drums. * I work at a desk, and I hate having anything hard under my wrist while typing. Whoop closes on itself, which I consider one of it's most underappreciated features. * Ring is out of the question, because I train at a gym. * I sometimes wear a nice watch, and it works well with Whoop. # Continuous monitoring Not enough people talk about this, but when for example Quantified Scientist does any of his amazing reviews, he's comparing Whoop against other watches with activity tracking enabled! Companies don't advertise it, but I managed to gather, that outside of activities, Garmin monitors HR every minute and Apple Watch every 3-7 minutes! Garmin with 10-14 day battery can do high resolution monitoring for 36h, Apple Watch 4-6h, Apple Watch Ultra 10-12h. This would not work for me at all. * We're doing a lot of fast hikes and backpacking, this is 12-16 hours of activity per day! Garmin would die on 3rd day, Apple would be useless. * We're doing festivals, this is again, 8-12 hours of high activity a day. * I work at a desk, but I'm active a lot. I walk and bike when I can. I have a home gym and a drum set, I use them when I have time, multiple times a day! Starting and stopping activities would not work for me at all. This is amazing about Whoop: I can add them post factum, but most of the time they add by themselves. # Stress monitor It relates to continuous monitoring. AFAIK the way Whoop does it rely on access to the continuous stream of high resolution data to find changes in HR and HRV. It doesn't work well for me during a day, but it's extremely valuable at night. I actually improved my sleep more thanks to stress monitor, than the standard sleep tracking. It allows me to easily see what parts of the night were problematic. High stress all night? Probably exhausted. High stress only on the beginning? Probably ate to late. # Actionable data I hate to admit this, but I like how Whoop kind of makes the data into a game. I know it's "stupid", but it works for me and that's what matters. # Whoop 5 "MG" The MG features are actually useful to me. I have it for 10 days at this point. * I have a normal blood pressure, but a very slow bad trend. Bad family history as well. I expect MG to help me monitor this, and encourage me to use my pressure calf more often. So far the results it shows are very in-line. * I occasionally do exhausting HIIT-type activities, multiple days in a row, multiple hours, in direct sun. This is not possible to recreate in lab environment. I'll be checking my EKG during those times. Continuous AFIB monitoring sounds beneficial in my case as well. I don't expect to renew the Life tier next time. I expect to learn all I need to learn in a year. **Now lets get into to problems category, let's start slow:** # Privacy policy It's fine, but... Especially after the 5 release, they went on a very thin ice. Privacy policy by itself is meaningless. They can change it on a whim, and not even tell their users like they did with the terms of service. They can sell the company to "Google" or other data abuser tomorrow, and what would we do? I would delete the data immediately and ask for a refund, but I don't expect I'd get it. In practice, this is about trust, and trust points they have lost. Let's get to the recently popular topic: # Subscription model and Whoop 5 release This is plain ridiculous, bait and switch. Top to bottom. * Changing terms of service without notification * Going back trying to erase previous statements from the Internet * Raising the price 50% And they even tried to put their shareholder to gaslight their users. * **No, this has nothing to do with potentially Whoop loosing money by sending users the device, and they won't extend the membership later. This is not how this works! Whoop and accessories are prohibitively expensive. Whoop Peak costs around one Garmin Watch a year, Whoop Life one Apple Watch Ultra a year. Sorry, but we expected you to eat the risk, you were greatly compensated for it.** * I don't care, that developing and manufacturing the MG is expensive. That wasn't the deal! First, Whoop is already expensive. Second, the deal was, we pay this high price, and we get the next improved device in the subscription. No, battery life is not an improvement, it's a minor update. **On the other hand, I get the problem.** Whoop only does the Whoop band and accessories. They don't sell users phones, computers and cloud subscriptions. They don't profit from selling our data as well. Also, the times, when we had 0 interest rates, and investors were throwing money at anything are gone. This is why they had to rise the price, but: antagonizing users was not a good way of doing that. **What should have happened:** * Bare minimum, which would be in any way defendable: everyone should have got Whoop 5 MG in their mail and Whoop Life upgrade automatically. Then rise the price for the renewal. * If they really cared about their users, they should have been grandfathered-in to Whoop 5 MG with Whoop Life for the same price as they were paying so far. **Now onto just bad stuff about Whoop device itself:** # Calorie counting is just broken This is the reason why my partner considers switching to Garmin. For this kind of device nothing is accurate, the trends count! But the trends are broken. The more fit you get, the fewer calories are getting counted. This is very frustrating and demotivating. I have a clue what's going on. Whoop Coach confirms: calorie counting is HR based, but it doesn't correct for VO2Max, which is just stupid. I have high VO2Max, and if I adjust the calorie count by the ratio to an average person in my age, the count immediately starts to make sense. For my partner, undercounting fits proportionally to their recent VO2Max increase. This is easy, and obvious fix. Garmin does it. With this kind of pricing there are no excuses anymore Whoop: get on it. And the fallowing as well: # GPS tracking is broken This was always a broken gimmick, but now when Whoop uses it to estimate VO2Max, it has to be fixed! Every item on this list makes it useless on its own: * Pause doesn't work - it breaks the pacing. * Precision is broken. No way to control GPS resolution. No way to control if it should snap to paths on the map. I run the same routes, the distances or off up to 5%. Google Maps is useless for hiking. * Tracking stops exactly on 30 minute mark. I have to remember to activate the app before. (No Whoop, don't tell me about phone settings, or I'll unplug your disrespectful AI! If you want it to work, you need to implement it as background service. Strava works just fine). * The whole activity will be lost if I stop it when getting into my building and lose internet. It'll not try to save it later, it just drops it. * No support for indoor activities. **Let's be realistic:** this is too much to fix. Whoop should just integrate with dedicated trackers like Strava. Bare minimum, **allow us to import GPX files.** This would be a very small and powerful thing, there are no good excuses why this is not available. # Recovery score is broken And if recovery is broken, then consider this: journal is broken as well! So much wasted time... For some reason, Recovery prioritizes HRV over RHR, which is broken and useless. In extreme cases, when body is completely exhausted, HRV can shoot itself to the sky. Even Whoop Coach knows this! 3 days of 20,5 strain, RHR +10%, but HRV jumps 300% and Recovery is 99%? This is that fancy AI model we're paying for? Once more, what's frustrating: it's easily fixable. # Still no alarm in light sleep phase I understand Whoop device doesn't do any calculations and this would require constant Internet connection. Fine, give me the option then! # Alarm to soft in Whoop 5 MG Haptic engine is really nice now, in Whoop 4 it was annoying, like someone was drilling into my hand. The downside is: it doesn't wake me up, no a chance, I don't even remember it. # Limited export to Apple Health / Google Health Whoop states about some of the data: "These metrics are calculated using WHOOP’s proprietary algorithms and are **only** available within the WHOOP app." Sorry, but this is my data, and I'll do what I want with it. So I have to copy it over manually now. How disrespectful and dumb is it? # Qi charging This is a no-brainer. I love Whoop charger, but how many posts have you seen about people forgetting to pack their chargers on vacation? Doesn't constant 24/7 monitoring take priority here? Please give us some alternative and standard way to charge. It can be slow and inconvenient, it may require getting the device off body, but it'd be better, than loosing weeks of data. I'll go out on a limb and guess, that Whoop didn't reinvent the wheel, and they do actually use Qi standard, they just block other chargers in software. # No 2-factor authentication Com'on! This is sensitive data. This should have been available since Whoop 1! And today, for this price, with a proper U2F support included! # Bad customer service I had only great experience with the sales and subscription side, but technical part is terrible. For the price we pay, I'd expect premium support all over, and not: * Useless AI responses. * Very long delivery times. * Overpriced accessories sold-out all the time. * Antipatterns when unsubscribing. Respectful company should not do this kind of stuff just because it's not illegal - yet! # Summary Whoop is a great device, with a great app. They seat on their niche with no alternatives. No wonder Whoop 5 MG quickly sold out, including accessories. But now they act more and more like a monopoly and fashion product, instead of a health and sport tool. They care more about profits, then their users. I believe, if any other respectable company will cum up with an alternative, Whoop will quickly disappear. I know I actively look for a way out. I recommend getting Whoop only, if you can't find an alternative. But if: * You just care about health and sleep, not much for sports? Consider Oura Ring. * You don't mind bulky thing on your wrist and turning on activities manually? Garmin and Apple are your friends. (Not native speaker here, I didn't want to use AI, I just did my best)

The standard 5.0 appears to be the same except a better battery and now it'll have a feature like Garmin where it tells you your fitness age compared to your real age. But for $120 more a year, we can access the actual 5.0, the mg. 🙄 What is the point of this subscription based model if you don't get to reap the benefits of the new devices. I've dumped so much money into this company and this is what we get in return? They're pissing down our backs and telling us it's raining. I couldn't roll my eyes harder about this. This is likely going to be what pushes me to cancel my membership. Happy 5.0 day! Edit: Seeing a lot of people feel the same as I do. We should review bomb them on Google. Edit #2: I cancelled my membership and ordered a Garmin.

Yeah, I was fine having a subscription based service when it meant that I would get access to all the new features. They are breaking the contract by charging us more for the new device that our previous subscription funded.

I’m coming for the whoop mg and I’ve been a whoop user since the early days of 3.0 and I can honestly say I’m impressed by the helio strap and its accuracy. The sleep was spot on to the whoop mg’s detection of my sleep both within a couple minutes of each other. I’m not a swimmer, but even the weightlifting workout I did was accurately detected with the strap even knowing the areas of my body that I exercised. I’d set the workout detection to low otherwise a simple fast pace walking will be detected as a workout. It’s actually pretty comfortable as well. More noticeable on your wrist, but the band never moves or slips around so you get used to wearing it.

I have a Garmin 970, wear an Oura Ring at night and I have had a Whoop for about a month. It has actually made me lose faith that any of these are very accurate. When it comes to RHR, the Garmin and Oura ring are usually pretty close, the Garmin is always higher by one or two. The Whoop is much higher, usually about 6 or 7. I'm guessing it has something to do with the how often they measure and the algorithm they use. As for HRV, the Oura Ring and Whoop are pretty close, with the Whoop consistently being about 2-3 higher. The Garmin is always at least 15-20 higher. The recovery scores and sleep scores are all over the place and rarely agree with each other.

Canceling my order for 2-year Whoop 5.0 membership after seeing this nonsense. u/whoop_official, this is embarrassing. I’ve seen better transparency from a magician. You're basically trying to sell me a “fitness tracker” when it looks more like a loyalty card to dishonesty. Enjoy my cancellation, I’m sure you’ll make a ‘new’ policy on that too.

Don't think I agree on the UI improving (on Android, anyway). It's now super glitchy if you scroll down the page somewhat slowly, and I get way more bugs now than I had before the 5.0 launch (GPS tracking issues, activity times being put forward an hour, not being able to see the text boxes you're typing into in the journal, journal being slower to complete due to design changes, data visualisations being removed, no weekly summary). I do enjoy the improvements too: Whoop age, better AI chatbot, and better sleep score calculation (as well as the better charger and battery life of the 5.0). Overall I'm just about satisfied, it's just more rough around the edges than it should be.

I'm literally the most regular dude alive: healthy, go to the gym, and tell myself I need to go running more often. A couple weeks ago, I ordered the WHOOP 5.0 Peak trial just to see if it was something for me. Prior to this, I had never worn any other fitness/well-being wearable. So far, I've been able to figure out that having a window into my health metrics is something I really value. Before this, I genuinely had no clue what my resting heart rate was. I only knew when I went to bed and when I woke up, but had no idea how the quality of my sleep actually was. I didn't know how much time I spent in each heart rate zone. I also very much appreciate the fact that the device takes up exactly 0% of my attention throughout the day. I'm quite easily distracted and not sure how well a smart watch would work with that. But now, my trial is ending soon, and I want to explore what options I have. This sub has done a good job at communicating the flaws in WHOOP as a business, so I am well aware of that. I personally believe that if a company deceives its customers, the best way to punish them is to vote with your wallet. As such, if an alternative exists I am more than willing to explore that. That leaves three options for me to continue: 1. I return my WHOOP after the trial ends and stop using a wearable 2. I return my WHOOP after the trial ends and purchase a competing product 3. I acknowledge the shady business practices but purchase a subscription anyway. Since I do enjoy the experience of using a wearable, I would be upset to go with option 1. That leaves only two options: I either purchase a WHOOP subscription, or go with a competitor. My question is: **if not WHOOP, what else?**

I joined and placed an order yesterday. The only reason I went ahead is because I wanted to evaluate it myself and I was ok spend amount required for 1 year membership. And it’s the only device without screen and I love my mechanical watch. In addition to following this subreddit I also asked for reviews from couple of folks in my gym and they were happy with the purchase

Same exact numbers on my whoop MG during a 3 mile, slow pace, recovery walk last night. I hit 155 repeatedly, while actual HR ranged 90-105 per Garmin on my other wrist. My lactate threshold LT2 is 156 and I don't hit that until pushing at least 206 watts++ for a good amount of time, and when I do it is heavier breathing exhaustion etc. No possibility of that on a gentle walk. Very disappointed that whoop has not improved their signal processing algorithms at all from 4.0 to MG. Same d problems.

i upgraded to the MG just because i have 14 months left from my 4.0 … for 89€ … these ****** even wants 12€ for shipping… i‘m thinking ablut twice next year if i will pay 400€ yearly … this price is unbelievable…

Just cancelled my membership after 5+ years. They even let me after I noticed it auto renewed. I caught it the next day but disappointed with whoop recently.

You can get adapters to fit your 4.0 bands to a 5.0/MG! Plus if you buy knock-off 5.0/MG bands from eBay, amazon or other 3rd parties they’re pretty cheap and work just fine. I’m writing from experience.

My main reason to upgrade was for the ecg feature and afib monitoring. I was diagnosed with afib last year, had it dealt with, but want the peace of mind that it’s being constantly monitored and I’ll be notified if I ever go back into Afib. Otherwise I like the longer battery life. I’m not sure what other features I get on the ‘life’ membership, but in any case I’m satisfied.

Don't worry it is still totally free... If you lock in your soul for another 365 days!

I was talking about Whoop 5.0 being free if you extend your membership, not the premium MG. Thankfully they at least backpedaled and are allowing members with 12+ months remaining to get a free 5.0 upgrade if shipping is paid. Still fucked up for sure.

All in all I was right, it wasn't that much of an upgrade in terms of how I use it and what stats i gravitate towards to, it didnt feel like a downgrade either. I was mostly worried about the straps because i had seen how bad they seemed to be, but mine felt good, different from 4.0 tho. I don't really see the benefit of healthspan, its cool to see the "stats", the problem is, its just novelty. It's ok to have, wouldnt pay to have it. The battery upgrade is such a big one for me, Im satisfied enough, though i dont think its a reason to upgrade, for most people.

I went from AW8 to whoop 5.0, and 3 months in I’m already prepared to switch back to an Apple Watch Ultra when my subscription expires. I like the whoop, but not much it really does an Apple Watch can’t do or won’t eventually add. Far better battery life in the whoop though

Hey, greetings from the U.S.! I totally get what you mean—I also love smartwatches, but they’re not ideal for everything. I recently started using WHOOP for that exact reason. It’s screenless, super light, and sits flush on your wrist or even under your sleeve, so no worries about scratching it while climbing. You can also wear it on your bicep or even in special WHOOP clothing if the wrist still gets in the way. Yes, it is a subscription, which turns some people off—but for me, it kind of feels like you’re investing in your health month by month. Plus, you can try it totally free and see if it’s for you. Get a free WHOOP and one month free when you join with my link: https://join.whoop.com/64ACFF Hope that helps a bit!

The fitbit charge 6 costs 160 USD w/ 6 month fitbit premium subscription , the annual subs is 80 USD So it's a one time fee of 160 + optionally 80 per year Alternatively for say a whoop 5.0 the annual mandatory subscription costs either 200, 264 or 400 for 12 months (you get device included but then it is useless after 12 months if you don't renew) There's a substantial difference from 80 to 200/year I was a fitbit user for long long time, tried the whoop for this year - I really like the screenless device but due to costs I'm considering getting back to fitbit...

True !! The problem with polar is 2 things : their software (way outdated) and the sleep tracking is awful ! That’s of course based on the reviews never tried them !! Ive tried the whoop 5.0 !!! The most awful experience i ever had !!! Metrics way off !!!! Heart rate zones are super inaccurate and heart rate tracking in gym … oh my god !!

I waited for it, but I must admit that whoop is superior (functionalities, data analysis and the application etc…) and even if the loop sensor is surely a little more precise than whoop, we remain quite similar and the difference is minimal (vs 360) Helios, I don't talk about it, even if the application is not bad. I just sent mine back, it's crazy cheap and the bracelet is crap. I will therefore keep the whoop MG, which I had the opportunity to try (the only big problem ultimately with whoop is the price).

No upgrade on the sensors on the 5.0? Just joined so feels like an instant upgrade. I don’t really care about BP and ECG. Down for a sleeker device with more battery life and the same stuff I initially joined for, for free? Can imagine the feeling from users who have been subscribed for longer.

What's the difference between paying $360 for a 12 month membership with a free device and paying $350 for an apple watch with no subscription? I mean... Yeah, you still have a watch at the end of 12 months that has no subscription, but there's always a newer better $350 watch that you'll probably end buying. And your existing watch value plummets once the new one is available. So long as whoop keeps releasing new devices with new features on a regular basis, seems reasonable to me. I just renewed for 12 months (subscription ended this month) and got the MG for free. If you bought an iPhone right before the new iPhone comes out, should apple be obligated to upgrade your phone when the new one is released?

They honored it for me when I renewed today. Device was free.

I’m 100% with you. It’s a double charge to upgrade to the MG. The new device fee is one thing, and I’m fine with that, but to then reduce the length of my membership by 33% on top of that is just wrong! Clearly not doing the right thing for users.

I’m in the same boat and just ordered the MG. I like new tech and willing to give it a go but I’m shocked that there doesn’t appear to be a discount for existing subscribers is what shocks me. They don’t reduce the sub based on what you have left. My understanding when I renew 3 months ago was that I’d have enough time on my membership to receive a near free upgrade but apparently not. So I now have the MG on the way with 18 months of membership and if they continue to screw then I’ll be cancelling. I would’ve appreciated a onetime upgrade fee for the MG for the hardware then the same membership fee year on year.

I upgraded from the 4 to the MG and have found the tracking much improved. For workouts I wear either a bicep band or if I feel like a day or two off from bands, I use one of the circular see through plasters from a permanent glucose monitor. Here’s the thing though, I wear it on the INSIDE of the bicep a couple of centimetres above my elbow bend where the sensor then sits on the brachial nerve (Whoop recommended this). In your words, my MG HR is a ‘hair’ away from what is recorded on my Garmin chest strap connected to my bike computer and appears to be more accurate than the Fenix 8 monitoring on my wrist. In addition, I have heart and BP issues and have found the BP the MG predicts to be bang on with the expensive gear used at the cardiologists. After the last visit to the doc (wearing MG and Chest strap) I am no longer convinced that the HR shown by the Garmin chest strap (which showed always higher than the docs gear) is more accurate than the Whoop on the brachial so when biking I now transmit my HR from the MG to the Garmin Edge bike computer.

I've had the MG for a bit over a week, I'm pretty disappointed, the blood pressure readings are just not accurate enough to solely rely on them, so I'm still left using the BP cuff, so it doesn't really give me any advantage since I still need to check my BP manually. The EKG is a nice feature, but I don't have any afib problems so I don't really need to check this frequently, I could just buy a standalone EKG unit for 40$ and theres no need to pay any subscriptions, on top of that the only time where I would want to check for afib would be during exercise since sometimes I experienced weird heartbeats during exercise, but if you are using whoop to record an activity you can't use the EKG feature, and even if you are not recording an activity the ekg doesnt seem to work if your heartbeat is slightly elevated or your hands are mildly sweaty, so another useless feature. On top of that the whoop age thing has just proven to be a gimmick, I've seen people reporting a younger age even though they smoke and drink, this bothers me as it shifts from the usually scientific metrics that whoop has been offering into a meaningless gamification. The reality is that you can estimate your speed of aging with just your vo2max score, and plenty of other bands offer vo2max. At this point I'm looking at switching to the Huawei fit 4 pro since I want to stick to android, I wish there was a screenless option

I just did, I'm not happy with the pricing, but I monitor my BP daily and it's a hassle, to get a good reading you need to average 3 measurements and make sure you take the reading after sitting for a few mins and far from coffee and food intake. I'll be comparing the MG readings with my cuff for a while because I'm very skeptical a band can offer accurate readings, but if it does to me it's worth the price, if it doesn't then I'll be canceling the membership

yeah, but as long as the trends are accurate that's useful to me, again I'm still skeptical but it's worth trying, I just paid the upgrade fee and I'm on a monthly membership, so if it's not what I expect I'll cancel

Membership expired, was waiting for the 5.0 to renew. Far too expensive for very little reward. Moving to either AW or Garmin.

I’ve had the 4.0 for a year and I just upgraded to the MG and life. I only had to pay $80 an upgrade fee, fwiw

Agreed with your sentiments. Whoop for a lifestyle/sleep/recovery tracker is pretty far ahead of the competition. The best combo is Garmin watch (bike computer in my case) for tracking GPS/distance/speed based activities that require instant information & Whoop for everything else.

For mine, Whoop is best for overall metrics - strain/recovery/sleep - as well as application interface. Great for day to day and normal training. Garmin is best at actual training/event data for say a run/ride/tri etc when paired with a HR strap (cadence, speed and power sensors too). But then you don't get the most out of it until you export the data to Strava or similar as the Garmin app is not great.

Totally agree. Polar produce the gold standard chest strap HRM so you would think the sensor tech would have been top notch. If they'd also made it do the things that Whoop does and paired it with an overhauled Flow app (the mock ups DC Rainmaker shows on his review looked promising) they could very well have taken a big piece of the market pie in this sector. As it stands it's an overhyped, under-specced device that won't take many people away from Whoop, or anywhere else for that matter. Whoop's prices are steep but almost look semi reasonable now, given what they provide over and above their competitors. I'm on the verge of trading my '4.0' for an 'MG'...

When your membership renews, you'll get the 5.0 for free unless you downgrade/upgrade. So you do still get it for free, just not immediately. If you want it immediately, you can renew your membership and get it for free or just pay for the bands. It's still an option to get it for free you just have to wait. People in this sub just love to complain about whoop.

I think people just want to be mad at this point. It is still free, and there are options. People just don't want to wait, and that's okay, I didn't either, so yea, I did pay for the 5.0 yesterday, and I'm excited. This sub is a bunch of crabs in a bucket that's a heck of a lot of money to spend on a product you apparently hate and have hated.

Samsung Galaxy Watch Ultra 2025. WHOOP MG I wear both at bed. I use Whoop for sleep and readiness for the day. Then BJJ and Strength Trainer. I use watch for sleep coaching and tracking cardio workouts.

30 days period they say. Well if you subbed for 6+, you plan on extending it. I just paid for MG because of temporary moneyflow issues and potential of downgrading, but if I could I'd just extend.

5.0 is plenty upgraded and still has no competition. It's the same as arguing that AW should cost same as AW ultra.

I recently bought my Whoop, will contact support. Let's see what they say. Are all accessories incompatible with the new whoop 5.0? I bought some pants... Edit: I get the Option for a free whoop 5.0 because I bought my subscription just recently. No renewal, no fees beside the shipping costs.

I’ve had my Whoop band for a few years now and it’s great. The newer Whoop has a BP feature. It tracks all the things and has its on app but syncs well with Apple stuff as well. Between my Whoop and my Apple Watch, I’ve very satisfied.

I think what people are more upset about is the fact that they’ve released a premium version with features we won’t get, which was essentially a broken promised from what was stated when we all signed up. They said if you renew your membership, you’ll get the newest hardware, but now they gave us a, sure, upgraded version, but then made an actual proper upgraded version and put that behind an extra paywall. The 5.0 isn’t really any different than the 4.0, the real upgrade is the MG, and that’s not available unless you want to shell out a decent amount more per year extra. They should have just released the MG and called it the 5.0 and raised the subscription a bit, if they really needed to do that.

I think what people are more upset about is the fact that they’ve released a premium version with features we won’t get, which was essentially a broken promised from what was stated when we all signed up. They said if you renew your membership, you’ll get the newest hardware, but now they gave us a, sure, upgraded version, but then made an actual proper upgraded version and put that behind an extra paywall. The 5.0 isn’t really any different than the 4.0, the real upgrade is the MG, and that’s not available unless you want to shell out a decent amount more per year extra. They should have just released the MG and called it the 5.0 and raised the subscription a bit, if they really needed to do that.

Das Gerät ist quasi wertlos, man bezahlt für die App. Also ja, das ist da schon "dabei", bei Whoop zumindest.

Definitely comes down to preference… Although not related to OP topic, and completely side railing… Whoop is just a software. $200 a year for a software is gimmicky. I would never recommend a Whoop imo. I get the concept, screenless tracker … cool. Subscription? Not cool. Ruins the entire thing. Turns the fitness tracker into a gimmick because you aren’t paying for the tracker itself. You are paying for the software and the Whoop software isn’t $200 a year good.

I have the Helio strap and the Whoop, I was a big fan of the Whoop until a $100 strap without a subscription is giving almost identical readings… across all the genres. I’ve noticed a 2% discrepancy at most. Majority of the time they’re the same. Now I feel a lot of resentment towards Whoop… hence why I see it as an App and now, abit gimmicky!

And keeps increasing :) without really change nothing since the new subscription model was introduced xD Lots of future promises and only whoop coach with memories that is quite the same as Oura now that always had that

" My main priorities are reliable heart rate tracking, HRV, and sleep data, while also needing good accuracy during high-intensity workouts." If you dont mind sacrificing a little on sleep data (and even that is not so different) you will get AW for sure because is top accuracy for everything Mark my words here... Whoop struggles specially on runs and intervals , you can trial it but if you even compare to a chest strap you will be disappointed =) many people dont even compare and when they do you see a new "surprise" post here every day questioning all previous data they had on whoop If they would let you connect some chest strap maybe I would also advise whoop but this way is a waste of money

Whoop works well on Android and is comfortable, haven't taken mine off since I got it last year

Wenn dir valide Daten wichtig sind, würde ich zu einem Gerät greifen, was eine Kompatibilität mit einem Brustgurt vorweisen kann. Die Daten von Whoop fand ich in meinem Vergleich über 4 Wochen damals ziemlich abschreckend, vor allem bei Kraft- und Intervalltraining war Garmin mit und ohne(!) Brustgurt mit wesentlich besseren Daten unterwegs.

Will tell you for sure Helio definitely isn’t for you, sleep tracking is cooked. Can’t even recommend Whoop bc the Step tracking on that is generationally bad. First world problems

If you have an Apple Watch 9, you’re happy with it and it fits you’re lifestyle then why look for hype. If you want hype, buy hype but it should be about what you think is right for your needs. The Apple Watch is a smartwatch + fitness device. The whoop is a fitness device only. I had an Apple Watch for years and I liked it at the start but over time it became less suitable for me. I often work or study in environments where I must take off anything worn on the wrist. The whoop costs me more but I can wear it on the bicep and the battery is significantly longer. I personally prefer the whoop because it is more suitable for me. You have to decide what is right for you based on what you want from your wearable.

I look my whoop because I don’t have to look at another screen. I don’t want to see my texts and alerts from my iPhone on a watch. If you prefer that, the watch is for you.

One of the main reasons I choose a whoop over an Apple watch was due to the free hardware upgrades. Conveniently my 12 month subscription is up around the same time the Apple watch is released. The cost isn’t the issue, it’s them changing what’s promised.

Tried whoop, Fitbit, and now am on Apple Watch. I loved whoop but I couldn’t justify the monthly subscription. So if money isn’t an issue, I recommend whoop. Fitbit sucked. At least for me it did. Loving my Apple Watch the most. It’s easier to see how my heart rate is going and it keeps me motivated during the day outside of working out. Plus it has the find my phone feature which helps my flakey ass.

Whoop might work well for you. It can be worn in multiple places on your body (wrist or bicep straps are most common, they also make clothing / underwear designed to hold the device). Main advantage for me vs. Apple / Garmin is I can wear it on my right arm while wearing a normal watch on my left wrist.

Probably but then it kinda defeats the purpose of an apple watch. For me, wearing my mechanical watches and whoop on the other arm works and makes me happy. I guess that’s what works for me though

I think get a whoop trial and see if it works for you. Everyone has different requirements and expectations from whoop/Apple Watch.

12€ shipping is such a scam. In no way in the world does a small package like the whoop cost 12€ to ship. Btw if you upgrade you wont have 14months anymore. 25% get deducted for the higher subscription cost. you left with 10month

If you dont mind wearing a smartwatch like apple watch or garmin, go with those. I prefer classic watches so im doing the combo of a normal watch and whoop on my other wrist.

Same on this. Had my ultra since release day and loved it. Tried Whoop for a year in combo just to see, but once I realize Athlytic was getting better and my Whoop felt like a chore to not lose the battery, I ditched the sub before it was even up.

If you are looking for highly accurate HRV and recovery information, you should use WHOOP. It is not a replacement, but an addition to you AW. Edit: to clarify, garmin can track HRV, RHR and other recovery tied data, I am not saying it’s useless, but imho whoop provides more accurate data.

It’s hard to quantify the difference in numbers. Whoop main focus on recovery and vitals, garmin try’s to cover all areas and aspects. I know few people that went back and forth, but ended up with Whoop+Garmin setup, mainly using whoop for recovery. One of them is a triathlete, training multiple times per day, and according to him whoop provides more accurate data. The subscription model sucks, but that’s how it is. If you are really after the best data on recovery, whoop is imho the best offer on the market. But you need to see the value, for most people it’s just another overpriced tracker without any usefulness.

Yeah I feel like apple sleep tracking is similar to its specificity with fitness tracking. Instead of in depth (and maybe somewhat disappointing data) it gives you the positive fluff version to encourage general day to day health. I compared whoop vs. AW vs Fenix and Apple was the only one that just skipped my mini awake times. Found that strange

Whoop is more of a lifestyle tracker. But in my experience no wearable fitness tracker is really good at understanding the strain of a crossfit workout (or a weight lifting one). They all require you to manually go and add in all your lifts, which becomes a real drag, or even worse you have to carry your phone around clicking start on all the exercises. I use the Whoop because I'm looking for more than just tracking workouts, also I love that it doesn't have a screen.

It’s really unfortunate that WHOOP has decided to take this route — not updating devices for existing subscribers with active plans. For example, I cancelled my subscription yesterday and don’t plan to renew it. It’s disappointing to see this approach from WHOOP. And I especially feel bad for people who just subscribed. Like my boss, for instance — I recommended WHOOP to him, he purchased a yearly subscription, and received his new device only three weeks ago. Now, every time he opens the WHOOP app, he’ll get a reminder that a new device is available — but to get it, he’ll have to pay an extra fee. Sadly, this will be the case for all new users who joined at the last minute. They’ll constantly be getting follow-up prompts: “You’re not using WHOOP to its full potential,” or “Discover more – upgrade, subscribe, pay extra.” As for me, I’ll stick with Apple Watch, a one-time purchase, paired with an app like Athletic, which costs significantly less. I’m confident this combination will cover 90% of my needs. And if one day I feel that I’m missing something, I’ll just buy an Oura ring — and even then, it’ll still cost less than WHOOP.

The issue is that he is checking just the hardware accuracy, not the whole ecosystem (hardware+software). Whoop app is incredible. What is the alternative for AW?

I really like my whoop for strength training. It can tell my heavier lifts from my lighter lifts and gives a percentage on cardio vs muscular load. I would say it is accurate only if you input your workouts in the app at the end of your lift. Would love if garmin did something like this

this is in my opinion a weist of money 1. step count way off 30% more than samsung or apple watch 2. 200 usd membership 3. state of the art labs are only 80% precise in terms of sleep analysis , how accurate do you think the watch is ? 4. i did a leg workout all to failure could not move for a day strain score 9 5. in the morning when sleep score is low or recovery low , it will subconsciously make you tierd even if are fine just train to failure , step count with applewatch

Whoop seems to be perfect for your needs. I'm not very active with my training yet I'm finding it incredibly useful so far. Bought it last week with the Black Friday sale. It is the best in the market, apparently, for sleep/recovery Vs strain insights. The other options really are not the same level.

I'm switching to Whoop. My main focus is on sleep tracking and heart health. Not a fan of the subscription, but hoping for a subscription free alternative in 1-2 years.

I use a Whoop and the arm sleeve under my rashguard for nogi and they also have a compression top that I wear underneath my Gi on gi days

When I go for a run, I use my Coros Pace 3 along with my Whoop. They’re two different things, but complementary when it comes to tracking my runs.

I’ve gone both ways with this and back with AWU and Oura. Whoop has a beautiful UI but is largely inaccurate on HR reading for me. So that throws everything else off. I’ve tested Whoop and AWU against the gold standard HR chest strap and the AWU is insanely accurate for me on my wrist. Whoop, not so much. Really wanted Whoop to work too. I’ve tested this over and over. Data nerd.

Not a big loss but doesn't have that haptic alarm which is a feature I enjoyed on whoop when I used one.

Similar to the Polar Loop, Garmin are also releasing a screen less wearable to compete in this space. Holding out to see that as well as wait for some actual user reviews on the Polar Loop. I was about to give the Amazit Helios strap chance and was at checkout when I saw the Loop being released the next day. There is a an amazfit sub Reddit I'm followingbwithba very active community talking about the watched and straps. Seems like it's fine, as people are saying here but requires patience and constant software upgrades across all their products. Kind of like they are building the plane while it's flying. Not sure this is helpful. I'm not hard pressed to have a new wearable presently. Miss the Whoop and haven't used it for the last year, but honestly haven't felt lost without it. Helped realise a few lifestyle issues around drinking, sleeping better etc... didn't add more value than that personally.

I like my whoop for sleep tracking, everything else Garmin is great

The whoop has better battery life. I have both a whoop and a AWU. I’ve had an Apple Watch since the first gen. Battery life is not its strong point.

Thanks. Whoop seems to struggle with arm movements it doesn’t recognize. Given you had no legs it was probably an odd motion while swimming. I was scrubbing and then scraping concrete a few weeks ago. It was hard enough to make me sweaty but whoop had my HR near 200. I deleted the activity and can’t recall what it thought I was doing now but it was obviously way off. All that being said I’m sure your arm movements were still close enough to a normal stroke so it’s a disappointing result.

Whoop isn’t great because it has terrible tracking and then I can’t have any info on my wrist when I’m training. I liked it, but more as a supplement to my Apple Watch and then garmin

I used both for a year. Just expensive to pay for Whoop when I could use my garmin to get almost all the same information.

https://preview.redd.it/vs3mpaibzznf1.png?width=403&format=png&auto=webp&s=82e691eab0e6bd67ddc6d17a04dd527b18b7674c That's interesting. I haven't looked at the calc methods yet, but I'm currently trialling Whoop and Oura with my Polar Pacer Pro. I only have 7 days of data so far, as you can see, correlation is high but Polar HRV is always 10-20ms higher. A late, but sober night on day 2. Alcohol on day 5 and a little bit on day 6... I'm primarily doing this for sleep data, but when my legs aren't playing up I run, hence the Polar device.

I purchased the whoop and after several days I returned it. While wearing it was convenient, I am a side sleeper so having something on my arm just hurt as a slept. I am a women and I was looking for a little more data about my body. The whoop is probably best just for athletes not casual wearers. I am thinking about switching to oura ring cause it just looks better. If I am in a formal setting wearing a dress the original band is not appealing and I feel like you need much of a commitment to the whoop before buying all the accessories. I also don't like how it cant track when you start ya activities or how many miles you walked. It just give you too many data points without really any significance.

I use whoop and it let's you broadcast HR to the bike!

I had other devices before Whoop, checked its HR accuracy against chest strap and my wrist Whoop is as accurate. It has helped me tailor my workouts to my recovery improving outcomes More importantly it saved my life a couple of years ago when I had an Atrial Flutter episode. I got notified of a completed activity I wasn’t doing anything and hadn’t for a bit. Opened Whoop and it was showing 5 activities at 20/21 over the past 5 hours. Checked my current HR and was in zone 4. Had no symptoms and went to the ER, got an ablation and was all good.

I am using a WHOOP. Got it mainly for sleep but it recognises my climbing as well. You can wear it on the wrist, bicep or in under garments (bicep band or under garments cost extra). I am super happy with it. My sleep has improved dramatically since getting this thing and therefore my overall quality of life too. No screens :) It does cycle tracking too which takes longer than I have had it yet to see an effect. But, there are no cycle notifications, if that is important to you. However, since you are supposed to log habits and symptoms every day anyway, you will have the app open every day at least once, so you see your cycle predictions too. 9/10 recommendation for this thing

It’s not that Whoop is bad, but the $360 price for the Lifetime membership feels excessive to me, and I no longer find it worth it. I do recommend it for one year if you are serious about learning and tracking your health, but 2 years is unnecessary for the average person. I really enjoyed it for the first year and a few months, and I still love tracking my workouts, but I feel like I’ve hit a plateau with what I can actually learn from it. The recovery insights aren’t insightful to me, and I’ve had a disappointing experience with their customer service. The things I want to track can be done with other, more affordable devices. So that’s my plan — try another options, and if I truly miss it, I can always come back

I used a whoop, with the forearm sleeve. I put the sleeve on my calf, though. Worked great that way.

This is my perspective as someone who uses Whoop and wears an SMP or a Speedy that I rotate according to how I feel. Also, I've tried Oura, and liked it, but it wasn't for me. And I have an AW Ultra that I use when running and hiking, and this is after a few years of using a Garmin Fenix. Most people think of Whoop as simply a fitness tracker, which it is, but it is much more. What seperates Whoop from other things is how it shows you the impact of your behaviors. Yes, I think Whoop was less than honest about their upgrade policy with the new 5.0 and MG release, but I still can't find anything like it. The "magic" of Whoop is that it allows you to pre-select certain behaviors that will appear in a daily journal. Each morning you take 30 seconds to check yes or no on these items, e.g. Did you consume added sugar yesterday? Did you eat a late meal? There are endless options. As times goes on, Whoop continues to show you how these behaviors are impacting your sleep so that you discover how far before bed you should stop eating, or what's the latest time of the day you can drink caffeine without it impacting your sleep (even though you may think it doesn't because you fall asleep quickly). I'm not trying to sound like an advertisement for Whoop, but I think most people evaluate Whoop without knowing what it really does. So when I run or hike I use my Ultra for reasons that don't overlap with Whoop. But the rest of the day, when wearing my SMP or Speedy, or when I sleep, I wear Whoop because it is providing overall health insights that I find valuable and have led to lifestyle changes that I may not have made otherwise--even as a person in great shape who works out six days a week.

Whoop is quite overpriced, but has my gym in a stranglehold. It’s really quite good for bjj, particularly if you use the arm sleeve accessory.

Whoop …. basically told me I’m not getting enough sleep…

I have done almost 80 workouts with whoop and polar h10. The whoop is not a fitness PERFORMANCE device. It's a Comprehensive Health assessment tool. Your Garmin or any other Fitness tracker won't have as much detailed information as whoop because of the sampling frequency. But you do have to take whoop for what it is. It will miss your Peak HR and effort during your workouts because it doesn't capture the top of your heart rates unless you sustain them. Whoop HR lags and is adversely affected by movement. The data is essentially skewed a little to the "less strain" side of the spectrum. So that would in turn affect your strain score, your recovery score, your health span age data, Etc However, that being said I don't think there's another device out there that can capture as much data. I think the reviewers out there agree. While there are other devices that capture data more accurately, nothing else does EVERYTHING in one device as well as whoop. For people that cannot wear a heart rate monitor or wrist device or something else during an activity that they do on a regular basis, for example martial arts, I think the whoop is literally the only device that will capture, at least to some extent, your daily activity. I have finally, over 80 workouts, figured out a workflow (polar, samsung, trainingpeaks, and whoop integration) and the end result is you have to use a heart rate monitor if you want to do any kind of performance monitoring and performance Improvement. But I mean that is super duper in the weeds. You could just monitor your resting heart rate and HRV in the whoop over time and take note if you are getting stronger and faster. If you are and you feel like you're recovering well everyday, then I don't think it's necessary to have a chest strap heart rate monitor. But if you want to track performance metrics comprehensively in something like training Peaks, then you do need the heart rate monitor. I mean, like for very specific heart rate data like maintaining Zone 2. If you're struggling with sleep and fatigue and have concerns about Under and Over training, I think the whoop is a really great tool, but you have to actually spend the time filling out the journal and being very consistent with wearing it as much as you can. But then again like the comment above, if you don't follow the recommendations or come up with your own recommendations based on the data you are getting, then it's a waste of money. You have to want and like analysis if you're going to get your money's worth. I believe there is such a thing as not enough data and a thing such as too much data. And we are all different now that translates into information we can use. Only you'll be able to answer that. Good luck!

When Whoop works, It's fantastic. Too many days with horribly wrong data ruins the experience.

Whoop with bicep band.

Try it. I wear AWS6, I just returned my WHOOP after trial and use Bevel with my watch. I like what I see in Bevel but for some reason miss WHOOP. I felt like it was like an active coach, the way UI was, it made me act towards a healthier me. Just the gamification aspect was enough, and considering buying one and wear it along with my AWS6. If accuracy is paramount, you should wear one of those chest straps from Polar. For me I don’t read too much into daily numbers, but mainly WoW, MoM… trends.

Been a user for 5 years now and I renewed for a year during BF. Probably gonna call it quits come November when my year is up.

Currently as a 24/7 product that monitors you it is probably whoop. Whoop is just way ahead of others and others are trying to catch up. The smart watches are nice but the battery doesnt last as long and honestly just too bulky to wear 24/7.

Really the whoop will only give you good data on your wrist or bicep. If you're a new user, you'll get the hardware free with a 12-month signup.  If you fill out the journal daily, it's the best tracker on the market.

yeah, i have a polar h10 as well that i used to use with strava. the whole reason i switched to the whoop after the trial was because it gets basically the same data. people act like a 10% HR difference is going to change anything about their life. it's mostly just tech gadget consumerism disguised as grievances.

This was exactly why I signed up for Whoop over Oura. Big mistake.... Plus until this latest update the data was wildly inaccurate (for me). Will not be renewing at the end of the year that's for sure!

I have had the gen4 for a couple weeks and really like it. I wore a whoop for many years but got tired of wearing a strap. I have a specific need for data again so I went with the Oura. I wear it instead of my wedding ring and so far it’s great. I also use my apple watch with it for workout where I like to see data and zones easily without my phone. Anything in particular people are complaining about? I have had tons of wearables and it’s solid.

I used to use the whoop with bicep band it it works great in gi, however it got grabbed and flipped a lot in nogi. I switched to the boxers and haven’t looked back. It stays in place, I forget it’s there to the extent it’s taken a bath in the washer. Whoops sucks from the sub requirement perspective but it’s much better than any other wearable—I’ve used a polar and morpheus chest strap.

A user just posted side by side with Polar 10 on the same workout and the Whoop variation was almost zero

I ditched a Garmin Epix Pro 2 for my Omega Seamaster Pro and Whoop. Couldn’t be happier . I use Runkeeper for tracking run stats and audible updates that aren’t available on whoop yet.

I just switched from Garmin Epix 2 to a whoop. If you’re a serious runner, the whoop won’t cut it but the Garmin does a good job with the health insights. I’m running less, so I wanted better health insights, which is why I switched to whoop. They aren’t really comparable because they solve for two different goals.

I also use a whoop with the whoop underwear. Seems like the best setup for bjj imo

They do different things well. Whoop is better as an extra thing, not a replacement smart watch.

The HR accuracy in whoop makes it almost pointless to own.  Plus so many of the benefits from Garmin come from complete data sets, wearing the device near 24/7.

I think so. It’s a measuring device. It can only give you insights. You have to choose to act upon the info it provides. I’ve seen some people get mad at what they’re seeing and decline the device as unreliable. I’ve been wearing one since 2017 and have found the device to be remarkably consistent. It has helped me make better lifestyle choices and it has improved my health and fitness. I’m not sure what that is worth to you, but I certainly don’t have any problem paying a couple hundred dollars a year for it. Hope that helps! Best of luck to you.

Bevel has been my favorite so far. It’s a great blend of Garmin connect and whoop. When wearing my whoop(bicep) in tandem with Apple Watch the metrics match up very well in agreement. Gentler streak was pretty cool but very basic. Apple Watch native data pretty much replace what they offered in my opinion.

I did too but after a while, I saw diminishing returns plus the annual cost got crazy. Switched to an Apple Watch and can do all the things whoop can with the Bevel app but I also can control my Swingvision AND my hydrogen proton ball machine .

The other benefit with the Whoop, which I haven't seen on any other device, is the ability to wear it in different locations. I personally wear my Whoop on my wrist or bicep most of the time, but wear it in my underwear for jiu-jitsu. I expect this is also important for other combat sports, where having something on your wrist could hurt your opponent or damage the device itself.

I wear a Whoop on my other wrist.

I am 10 months into my whoop.

I agree, Garmin Epix 2 and Whoop owner here. Garmin is pretty shitty at sleep… I’ll be awake for an hour in the middle of the night and it will tell me I had continuous sleep all night. Whoop captures all those wake-ups, even the little ones to roll over. Whoop is convenient because it auto detects activities. It just thinks my heart rate is way higher than it is. No, Whoop, I’m not in Zone 4 playing pickleball. Garmin with its 6 lasers (to Whoop’s 2) is more spot-on (like within 5-10% of wearing my Polar chest strap), but you have to remember to start your activity manually if you want to look at graphs and stats. Garmin is a good watch, with flashlights and altitimeters and compasses and other useful things. There are a lot of customizable watch faces, so you can make it as useful as you like. Whoop is just simple and easy. So far I can’t get myself to get rid of one!

I do the exact same thing. Whoop always on my bicep and AW7 on my wrist. I move the Whoop to my other wrist for strength trainer. I also hate running with my phone so tracking runs on AW will give whoop gps data for more accurate measurements. Unfortunately whoop does not have gps by itself. It works really well for me because I work in surgery and can’t leave the wrist watch on 24/7 but can do so with whoop on my arm. If I could have only 1 device I’d go with Apple Watch. Btw how do you make sure that whoop doesn’t double write workouts to apple fitness. I want it to write strength trainer but currently it doubles every run I track on aw and other excercise.

I use a whoop for my all day tracking (have used oura too) and just use a garmin for my actual workout tracking- it's only worn when I'm in a workout.

Check out Hume Band from Hume Health. I purchased a Hume Body Pod (smart scale) and am very happy with it. After getting the scale, they are now pitching me on the Hume Band. Looks like a Whoop clone. First, Hume BodyPod scale is excellent. Looks, build quality, the app is clear and well designed. I really like it after 2 months. FYI - I wore Whoop for 2 years and now have an Ultrahuman ring for 1.5 years. Reason to move to the Hume Band is that it will integrate with same app as the BodyPod. Haven’t done it yet.

I have both Whoop and Oura. The Whoop app is better I think - slicker and cleaner - but the actual metrics from both track very closely. Besides the form factor as personal preference the data from both is pretty much the same. And I always use a Polar h10 for heart rate during exercise anyway. I don’t intend to renew my Whoop sub. Right now I sync all my data from Oura to intervals.icu and also Apple Health with a few shortcuts I found on the internet for hrv/spo2/rhr/temp and just track everything on there now. I have found that I don’t really need AI telling me how I should be feeling. If my training load and form show I’m not going crazy and I feel ok, I’ll do a workout. If my hrv is tanking and I feel tired, then I rest. Just my humble opinion and experience. But thought I’d share.

I tried the Ultrahuman ring for a few weeks but it was uncomfortable during the night and in the gym. At the end I tried whoop and I'm still using it. It's not bad, more precise than I expected.

What do you do in the gym? What are your goals? Generally speaking, no, whoop is not the best for the gym. \- Sleep, and HR/HRV \*during sleep\*: there are studies to support whoop sleep assessments (identifying pretty well that the user is asleep and not that well in which sleep stage) ( [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32713257/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32713257/) ) and HR/HRV measurements *during sleep* ( [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36016077/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36016077/) ). I think whoop sleep and recovery data and metrics can be quite useful, together with the journal insights, to help improve habits that affect sleep and recovery. But in the end what I've learned from whoop about my habits is that "the basics work" - which doesn't require a whoop (I can elaborate on this if you'd like). \- Whoop sleep-recovery-strain “loop”: I do think the *idea* of the whoop strain target and sleep planner is brilliant: based on your recovery, the strain target would advise how much you should train that day, and based on the strain from the day, the sleep planner would advise how much you should sleep that night. But none of that has been validated; the whoop strain metric was never validated, and the same is true for the strain target and the sleep planner “sleep need” calculations. Ie- it seems like a good *idea* (hypothesis) in theory, but it hasn’t been *proven* (demonstrated) in practice. Currently, I see no compelling reason to believe that following whoop strain recommendations would be *better* than simply following a science-based training program (or simply following the physical activity guidelines for health - if that's the goal). Similarly, currently, I see no compelling reason to believe that following whoop sleep recommendations would be *better* than simply sleeping \~7-8 h per night (or enough to wake-up feeling well rested) with regular sleep/wake-up times (\~1 h window). \- HRV-based training (and therefore whoop recovery and day strain recommendation): even if we wanted to buy into the idea of the whoop sleep-recovery-strain “loop”, that wouldn’t really work if the main goal was to maximize strength (and/or muscle growth). The strain target is based on whoop recovery, which is heavily based on HRV, and HRV isn’t a reliable metric of readiness for strength training, to adjust your strength training sessions on a daily basis, based on the current overall body of research (eg- [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835520/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835520/) and [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32079921/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32079921/) ) (and hard strength training can cause a decrease in HRV – that’s not necessarily an issue if the goal is strength and/or muscle growth). \[For my strength training, I'd basically ignore HRV (and whoop recovery / day strain recommendation); I'd follow a science-based strength training program and use auto-regulation to adjust my strength training sessions on a daily basis. I think this point is always worth mentioning because whoop themselves don’t make it clear, they usually just say “training” when discussing HRV-based training (and whoop recovery / day strain recommendation), and I think that can be misleading for users with strength / hypertrophy goals.\] \- Strength trainer / muscular load: like I wrote, the whoop strain metric was never validated, and the same is true for the strength trainer / muscular load; they say it was “developed at whoop labs”, which to me sounds like “trust me bro” :) I started using the strength trainer when it was released, hoping improvements would come soon; but the muscular load, the cardio/muscular split, and the intensity didn’t match my perception at all; and it doesn’t show history/trends per exercise or velocity; I stopped using it completely, waiting for them to release improvements (which never came - then I cancelled my membership). Currently, I don't see how the whoop strength trainer would be *useful* for strength / hypertrophy. \- Calories: whoop estimate of calories burned is admittedly inaccurate. From my experience, it isn’t even reliable (“consistently inaccurate”), so even the trend isn’t useful. To the best of my knowledge, there’s no science-based way to accurately estimate calories burned using a wearable; that’s why generally wearables do a poor job at that. Are you interested in calories burned to manage your nutrition / bodyweight?

I did just that and I'm very happy with whoop. Enjoying my mechanical watches :)

A lot of my friends have had it and have said nothing but good things about it. I like the whoop due to its battery life, the features it offers compared to competitors, the sleep score, and that you are able to use the whoop in many different forms. I hate having to wear an apple watch or garmin to bed with me but I love how whoop has the option to put wrap the device around your stomach.

As someone who has used Whoop for a year, I’m not impressed, while it was really good at tracking sleep, stress and identifying patterns, the actual sports part was very hit or miss for me. I miss the first gen Fitbit flex, extremely simple, discrete and tracked distances fairly accurate. I’m still looking for alternatives that don’t cost a ridiculous amount of money.

I used a Whoop for a while but went back to an Apple Watch. Whoop has a lot of metrics and I liked that it could go days without a charge, but I like all the other stuff the watch does - like show me the time. 😉 I also didn’t want to wear both. I know that’s an option some choose to go with. Edit to add: I don’t really *need* it for CF. I mostly like to keep an eye on my heart rate, primarily because I find it interesting to watch my perceived exertion vs. where my heart rate is at. I also get a kick out of seeing what the watch says vs. the C2 rower for calories - they usually are very close!

Tracking my hormones cycle has done wonders to me. I am forever grateful to Whoop for bringing this awareness and elevating my fitness journey.

I feel like I've never really understood the whole 'screen-free' argument for WHOOP.. With my AW I can see all my fitness metrics at a glance on my wrist, whereas with WHOOP I *have* to pull out my phone, open an app, and scroll through things. WHOOP inherently necessitates more screen engagement and on a device where you're far more likely to get sidetracked. It just feels like a lazy argument to me when people act all morally superior about 'not wanting another screen in their life'.. You can enable a focus mode / DND on AW to hide unwanted notifications, or just have some basic self restraint. And if you want more from that screen, there are countless uses. Whereas WHOOP seems like the opposite to me - the minimum amount of required screen usage is higher due to needing to use a phone, but it has none of the potential benefits of AW's versatility. Greater downside with capped upside potential. I've switched between AW and WHOOP twice each now and landed back on AW. My only reason for ever ditching it was wanting to wear my Omega instead. But WHOOP just defeated the purpose entirely - unreliable tracking and black-box, vague composite metrics just meant crap in and crap out. Was not useful. Now I just basically cycle between my Apple Watch and Omega every other week (+ AW for workouts); I care more about the trends over time than day-to-day data which is more or less the same within a week, so you're not missing out on much by not getting data every single day.

I did whoop for a few years with the bicep band. I got tired of it telling me I was going to die any day. I went back to the Garmin Ecosystem. I have an epix 2 pro. I pair that with a polar bicep optical HR sensor. It tracks my stats well and allows me to track the other hobbies I have like weights and cycling. For clarity, I pair the HR monitor and toss my watch in my bag on the side of the mat. It’s never lost connection.

I went with whoop for me only needing to charge once every 14-15 days and no screen was big reasons for me. I sold my Apple Watch 10 and haven’t missed it one bit 6 months with whoop now

I've just started using Whoop as I can't sleep with the Apple watch on.

I followed a pretty typical path. Loved my whoop at first and then turned against it. I now have a Garmin and the whoop is redundant.

Im only a month in but I’ve stopped using my Apple Watch and primarily use whoop. Eventually I will start using both (once I find the watch lol). I love the sleep and recovery analysis and the journal tracking. Apple Watch is really good, I just forget to charge and wear it. Whoop lasts for like 2 weeks. I get wayyyy more data and insights from whoop honestly, so I think I’ll stick around for a while

Get a whoop and a pair or two of their underwear so you don't have to worry about an obtrusive band There's a fitness app called Sobo, by GIGO Dev, that integrates with whoop and has BJJ specific activity tracking From what I understand you don't even need a whoop membership just the device itself

I’ve used Whoop for 2 years now, and yes, as a habits and health correlation tracker it is excellent. The whoop is data centric, and can have extensive criteria’s added to it through the journals feature. I would offer, it’s most suited to someone’s fitness style that is relatively urban, more than outdoorsy though. The Whoop’s lack of in-built GPS and reliance on data coverage are its major downfalls.

I've also been looking into this. The best I have seen is the whoop, unless you want to wear another watch. I am sure Fitbit used to do a non screen version but they don't look to exist anymore.

I prefer my whoop as I like to wear actual watches

That’s the benefit of seeing your data clearly presented every day - you don’t need to be a doctor to review it.

Why didn’t you try Whoop? This is exactly what you want

Accuracy of the apple watch is significantly lower - theres a third party, peer reviewed journal article somewhere that says as much. I can confirm, I’ve had an Apple Watch Ultra and whoop for 2+ years.

May I ask why ? Subscription fee ? I had whoop a couple years ago. After some time I stopped using it on a regular basis and couldn’t justify the cost. Looking forward for the polar one and what will it bring to the table. Would get Helio but unreliable data experiences told by some puts me off. Edit. Ended up buying Helio after watching the release of loop which didn’t convince me. Will test it and see how it goes.

Whoop at bicep has worked well for me, you can turn it around to where it won’t get hit. I used a Garmin for a while by flipping it to the inside of wrist but I got a callous on my wrist with the skin being rubbed raw by the kb on the silicon band. Criticism of these is they aren’t as accurate as heart rate straps which is undoubtedly true but I’ve found whoop on bicep has been good enough. Wrist Garmin for me was totally inaccurate, would read 130bps for hard hiit sessions whereas whoop is registering 180+ (and is how I feel)

Just bought a Whoop yesterday. Wanted a fitness tracker for awhile but didn’t want to be one of those people wearing two watches…I like it so far! It’s honestly the only option besides an oura ring if you don’t want to wear two watches and have your luxury timepiece be completely redundant and/or just jewelry.

I use Whoop. I do use their garments (sports bra, underwear, compression shorts), but I have used tape or large bandaid to put it on under a different sports bra. I’ve been using Whoop for a couple years now And for me it works well across different activities.

Thank you and I totally agree. Is it not made for running? Maybe. However, the whoop app also tells you to take one at least 15 minute gps tracked run per week, for accurate vo2max estimates. And yea for the price point, the amount of data/stats you see is a joke. Especially since the software apart from that is very high end, nice graphs, detailed statistics, trends, etc. I mean for the strength trainer e.g. being able to see the Heartrate for each set of an exercise, etc. And then for running? Have your average speed and be happy. At least the most basic stats would be very welcome. It feels like they have a deal with Strava to get you to purchase their subscription on top, to get those stats finally. Fortunately I have an old watch laying around that does all this, so I just run with both, especially nicer since it has a display and I can see my stats live. But it's kind of a downgrade from running with only a watch, to now have the whoop, phone AND watch. Whereas phone and whoop are just so the data in my whoop is complete.

I double it up - Apple Watch Ultra 2 on one wrist and Whoop on the other. I don't want to sleep with the AW, and I like Whoop's metrics and analysis. My husband is Whoop-only and trains/races by RPE.

I also do BJJ and whoop is the best option for now. There is also helio strap and polar is coming up with alternative soon, so more options are popping up

There are always whiners in the world. With every new Whoop, there’s a subset of people who complain about the price or features. I wish they got off on being active as much as they do complaining.

My best recommendation for tracking muscle strain and recovery (as compared to just cardiac strain & recovery) is Whoop. I used Polar for over 5 years and though I like the brand, their watches have fallen way behind the competition and I left them for Whoop last year. Polar only offers cardiac strain while Whoop offers both muscle and cardiac strain tracking. If you need a device with a screen and GPS, Garmin is the best choice for strength training as they offer muscle mapping and guided workouts.

Whoop tracks a metric called "Strain," which is calculated by your activities and daily living each day. They calculate muscle strain via algorithms, accelerometer and gyroscope. As for determining a value for leg work, I'm unsure of how it is done but I can confirm that the Strain results I see after having done a day of legs/lower body or posterior chain movements, are in line with my upper body days. I feel Whoop is accurate at determining muscle strain and effort and it's been one of my most favorite devices for tracking my workouts, ever. https://www.whoop.com/us/en/thelocker/introducing-strength-trainer-a-new-way-to-quantify-the-impact-of-your-strength-training/

I've worn Whoop (almost) exclusively for the past 1.5 years. I recently bought a Fitbit Versa 4 as I'm excited to see what Google are doing with Fitbit Coach this autumn. I wear both for training and sleep, using the Versa 4 primarily for outdoor runs. The metrics from each are largely identical for sleep and training.

What fitness items are you trying to track? Whoop does basic stuff well but the step tracking was awful when I gave up on whoop mid November.

Funny how this stuff works. Had an AW, but only started paying attention to metrics when I switched to Whoop. Got tired of the metrics not aligning to how I felt (and their pivot on the business model was the nail in the coffin), so went back to AW as I preferred it for general use and gave Bevel a shot. Especially after this latest update last week, Bevel is bang on and has much more intuitive features and layout than Whoop. The nutrition tracking and short/long term memory AI coach are a chef’s kiss. Stoked to upgrade to the latest AW to get the last two metrics I’m missing: temperature and SpO2.

Yes, under a few conditions. Do you have an above average understanding of data especially numbers? Averages? Percentages? Graphs? Do you understand the difference between precision and accuracy? Lastly and most importantly, are you patient with technology, especially software that’s continuously developing? If you have most of these things you will probably like Whoop. If you expect perfection from software stay away.

No. It is a scam. And then they don’t let you cancel despite contacting them in advance. You get enough info from your Apple Watch this will not tell you anything more than you already intuitively know. I attempted to cancel my whoop membership prior to the annual renewal and was not able to and here was the response: “Your account is currently on an annual plan that remains active through its first-year commitment. Because the plan is still within that commitment period, the option to disable auto-renewal isn’t available just yet. Once you reach the final month of your current term, you’ll be able to schedule a cancellation so that your membership won’t renew for another year” That was on 6/23 So here I am today in a circle j3rk with their AI team and 30 minutes phone time with my bank disputing the charges.

Also, whoop over estimates steps vs Apple Watch and under estimates workouts vs Apple

I’ve tried quite a few and have landed on whoop. Whoop is solid for tracking recovery and overall activity levels, and is great at tracking long term trends. I do question the accuracy of the data, but the data is consistently tracking the same thing, and is tracking something meaningful, so it works well for me. I also don’t always love the interpretation of the data, but once I worked all that out I could use what I have perfectly well. I like the screen less design, I can jam it in cracks without an issue, and I like how it feels on my wrist. I don’t even notice it anymore.

I personally use a H10 every run and have my whoop on my bicep. My experience has been the opposite of yours. Looking at BPM averages for exercise, the only variance tends to be due to the whoop auto sensed workouts being a few minutes off at the end which brings the average down by a small percentage. Outside of this, they're almost in parity.

I’ve been using a Whoop off and on for ~3 years. It’s useful up to a point, then its utility falls off. Overall, I don’t think they’re necessary, but they can be helpful. It really is helpful to learn big picture what will positively and negatively impact your sleep. Some commenters here are saying it that you don’t need a device to tell you if you slept well or not. I disagree because your intuition about good/bad sleep isn’t as accurate as you think beyond obvious “I was awake all night” scenarios. That said, once you learn what associates with good sleep and what associates with bad sleep, you don’t really need to keep tracking things (note that this requires journaling what ‘lifestyle’ things you did each day in order to look for patterns; Whoop handles this in its app and crunches the numbers for you). Some things are no brainers: drink 2+ alcoholic drinks that night? Shit sleep. Some may surprise you though, and you can then make decisions around training/racing/etc., accordingly. E.g., I get less deep sleep when my dog sleeps in bed with me, despite not really noticing any problems falling asleep/staying asleep. HRV is pretty much useless and overhyped, imo. “Good” HRV days can be great for training/racing or can be complete shit. Same goes for “bad” HRV days. Its predictive ability is way lower than how you feel overall and where you are in your training (i.e., are you 3 weeks overdue for a recovery week?). HRV may work better for other sports, but I pretty much ignore the “recovery” metric that Whoop calculates from HRV. Two other considerations for a fitness tracker: (1) I like seeing data trends long term, which Whoop and others let you do. (2) Whoop can be pretty good at detecting when you’re getting sick *before* you start feeling sick, based on skin temp, respiratory rate, etc.

I like WHOOP because I like wearing an actual watch and wearing a screen smartwatch on my other wrist would make me look like a retard.

One more pro is that in this life full of distractions - Whoop doesn’t keep going off all day with notifications from apps and people. Really helps stay focus and does it job as effective. My apple watch keeps going off every now and them distracting me both during workouts as well as during office!

Can confirm whoop isn’t worth it at all. I regret it

I was v excited for the Polar Loop and now looking at the user interface (UI) i'm seriously disappointed. It reminds me of the blocky UI that Fitbit had. The design is so outdated for 2025. I'm gonna continue with my Whoop and keep tabs on what Polar does and how they improve the loop. Until they fix that god awful UI, I'm out!

I have an AW, Oura, and Whoop and recently ditched the Whoop. The Whoop was great but a bit more than I needed stat wise. Because I’m a longtime user of Whoop I don’t pay a subscription so that factored into my decision. However, one thing Whoop has over Oura is it doesn’t scratch. (But scratches don’t bother me). For me it’s Oura for the win.

Come on, man. Whoop is objectively expensive compared to other wearables that provide similar data. They know it, and they justify it with the promise of updates as part of the subscription - not by gating new features under higher tiers. If you’re fine with the value proposition, good for you. But this price hike is pretty absurd and it’s not whining to question Whoop’s business practices here.

don't think it is as simple as alternatives. All the devices mentioned are just different . I have Samsung Galaxy Watch ultra ,oura ring and whoop . if I wasn't exercising/pushing as much as I am I would not be using Whoop . Whoop is by far the best for that .Oura ring is by far the best lifestyle tracker with best insights. And it is not close . If I could only choose one device still would choose only my watch . Having the screen +apps +ability to go for a run with just your watch and listen to books /podcasts directly,payments with just your watch ,easiness of activity tracking and heart rate tracking . Could go on and on . Second device I would choose would be oura ring for the quality of data and insight that is far superior to Whoop . Whoop shines when it goes to form .the strap is superior form if you are an active person . Not having it off makes it less burdensome too . I think Strain is superior form of tracking and gives me much better insights when it goes to overtraining and when to push or recover . If you can only buy one device buy a good smartwatch for the versatility .

I guess this all comes down to personal preference. I was an avid Apple Watch user until I switched to whoop earlier this year. Best decision I’ve ever made. I have enough screens in my face all day. It’s nice to have a device like whoop which is a nice break from constant notifications whilst doing its job well.

You should give the trial a go, see how it works and then you can make a decision. I was on the fence with whoop for years, even tried the Helio strap but I love my whoop and have subscribed for the year.

I really like the Oura ring. The Whoop is great, too, but you already have an Apple watch, which is worn in a similar manner as the Whoop so the different form factor would be good so you can wear the Oura and AW at the same time.

Well i can state my story here for what it is worth and your consideration. First I always found smart watches strange because WTF would I want a second device to tell me what my phone already does? My phone is on my person 100% of the time. I saw no value in that and in fact something that would just give me MORE notifications. Don't we already get enough? However I DID see the value in a fitness tracker. I have owned an Oura ring, fitbit, and a whoop, because that made a whole lot more sense to me (Still does). Anyway, I got a free $300 OnePlus Watch 2 as a promo when i bought my new phone, so I got a smartwatch anyway. Basically a Android version of the Apple watch. Sure enough within weeks i took it off - as it was exactly what i expected, a near useless extension of my phone. ....buuuuuut it did teach me the value of a watch as a fitness tracker. SO rather than have a medicore fitness tracker, I got the top of the line garmin (970). And when i bought my garmin i immediately turned off ALL notifications so it remains a strictly fitness watch which BTW I find extremely motivating. I can honestly say this purchase improved my life and health. Anyway - there is zero question here. An Apple watch is a better *Smartwatch* (dismal battery aside). And Apple Health app is very cool actually. But Garmin is a better fitness tracker - the software there is incredible.

So awesome to only need to charge the Whoop every 14ish days as well, compared to the Apple Watch everyday

I had a whoop but I never changed by training plan based on its results (which I found to be generally uninformative), so I eventually decided, what's the point?

I wanted to share my experience with WHOOP in case others have gone through the same thing. • My WHOOP device failed at the end of August. • Support had me go through all the usual troubleshooting steps — no fix. • I was told a replacement had been “processed” and would ship. • It’s now been nearly two weeks and my order is still showing as “processing”. • I’ve exchanged 24+ emails with Support. The replies are all scripted apologies and vague “please wait” responses. • Their site promises 3–5 days for new orders, yet for a replacement I’ve paid almost $500 for, I’ve received nothing. • Compensation? Just a single month’s credit — nothing close to reasonable for this level of failure. • I’ve asked for a refund policy and escalation, but I keep getting ignored. This is beyond frustrating. I’ve started escalating on LinkedIn with WHOOP employees, and if I don’t see action immediately, I’ll be filing complaints and going through my bank for a chargeback. I really like the concept of WHOOP, but this experience has been awful. Has anyone else gone through something similar? How did you finally get WHOOP to act?

Fair assessment I'm in a similar boat and currently use AW ultra/Whoop combo until I decide whether or not it's ultimately worth renewing for more than a year. I suspect by then it'll be hard to justify the price compared to Bevel's increasing capabilities and comprehensive approach, Athlytic's too for that matter though it's a little more focused. If you don't care about insights or using cheap Chinese alternatives (only meaning in terms of people with data concerns or whatever) even Amazfit's Helio is quite a bit better than Whoop for accurate workout/HR tracking. Was excited about Polar but they decided to trip all over themselves with the Loop. Hope it improves, would love it as an alternative. But I don't think anything currently does wellness/recovery as well still and gives the whole package in as user friendly an app. Also appreciate the female perspective as someone whose wife might be interested enough to give my old trial band a go so thanks for the TED talk. User experiences are mostly why I browse this stuff.

I switched from a Whoop to a Garmin watch because of the yearly fee Whoop requires. I use it along with my FasCat Coach App to adjust my daily workout based on my nightly data.

I have an Apple Watch Ultra and a Whoop. Currently struggling with Covid and AW gave me a 75 sleep score, Whoop gave me a 14 in recovery.

Whoop is nice but i doesn't have a screen or gps.

Whoop can track 24x7. it's fully waterproof and charges while on your wrist using a battery pack.

I had Apple Watch and didn’t really like it and I think whoop is better. Never had a garmin so Can’t speak to that. My freind has an aura ring and it looked the same as whoop with all the same stats and if I was a girl I would prob just get that bc it’s lower profile😭😭 but I just don’t wanna wear a ring around Edit but also whoop is def more health and wellness focused then fitness and training. But if you do the same lifts every week and only change every 6 weeks like I do it’s easy and I log them each week and just change the numbers real quick and the workouts are already saved.

If you take fitness seriously and want some serious data and or you practice a sport where you can’t wear a watch, Whoop. If you just want a watch that counts your steps and records the odd weight lifting session or run, Apple Watch.

I’m pretty new to Whoop. Overall, Whoop is the best fitness tracker I’ve used by far, but the lack of screen/GPS is a disadvantage for endurance training. I tried wearing my Whoop and Suunto Race S on opposite wrists for a few weeks, but it was unnecessary and a little annoying. Now I only do so when exercising. If I were you, I would buy an entry-level running watch (Garmin Forerunner 55, Suunto Run, etc.) and a chest strap and wear them only when you’re running. That will provide you with excellent GPS and heart rate accuracy on your runs. Unless you are trying to compete very seriously in endurance events, that would be more than enough for a beginner or intermediate runner. Most of the other running metrics that advanced Garmins can produce are just not necessary or worth the price for most people. And I doubt you’ll want to drop $800 on a fancy Garmin to only use it while running a few times a week.

No. Used it for 3 years.

FYI, I found Whoop to be super inaccurate for tracking heart rate / effort while swimming.

so i love my whoop but i recently lost the charging pack and the pack is sold out on whoops website. i just paid for my annual subscription but am now unable to use my watch. when i contacted whoop all they said was “wait for the charger to come back in stock” i am very frustrated with this whole situation and whoop as a company and want to switch over to something else. i love all the information whoop offers and im having a hard time finding something that matches up. polar seems like a great option but does it have a strain tracker like whoop has?

Whoop with an arm sleeve for training, my whoop gives me the exact same data as a garmin chest strap when I wear it with the arm sleeve so not sure why people are saying whoop is not accurate, most wrist trackers aren’t, especially while training.

Seconding. I’ve been using/wearing whoop regularly for almost 5 years. I like to have the data but I don’t necessarily use it for anything of value. The biggest bonus of Whoop in particular, is that I’m always wearing a HR strap. It’s unobtrusive on my upper arm, and I can charge it while wearing. So I never take it off. I also never have to remember to put on a Hr strap. For any activity, it’s tracked. Hike, run, swim, tennis, etc. so I like that. But I could stop wearing it an anytime and not change my training at all.

Can confirm I am not a fan of Whoop. It serves a different purpose than my current Garmin.

Yeah, I pretty much use it for telling time and quick glances at texts. I have a whoop on my other (bare skin) wrist that I actually use as a fitness tracker.

I have that combo. But removed my whoop today since it's the end of the sub and won't renew it. Whoop is a nice device. I don't agree the the company policy changes and I will move on with my life without whoop. But if you want it, if you like it, go for it. It was my combo for 1 year and it was perfect. Garmin for sports tracking, whoop for recovery analytics.

Is it as comfy to sleep with? I have a garmin fenix 6 and cant sleep with that but can with the whoop

I bought it, it works fine and does exactly what it says on the box. No issues whatsoever and I’m enjoying it. I also had a whoop for a year or so and feel that Oura is much much better

I had whoop for two months when I realized the data wasn't worth $30. Also, none of you whoop users are more athletic or knowledgeable than another person who uses a smart watch and an oura ring. This company has been trash. The smart fitness device equilivalent to air Jordan's. If you wear this you'll be an athlete lmao

That's fair. I'm seeing more gains with the Garmin daily workout recommendations and recovery metrics from my oura plus I never have that irritating and stinky whoop strap. Also the Garmin watch lasts a full 25-30 days per charge or more with solar. Also one time payment

I’m definitely cancelling mine now, over the Whoop hype. Was excited to see they had a nice update and deflated after I saw they went back on their word about not charging for future hardware. Peace out Whoop you shot your self in the foot✌️

I have been dual wearing AWU and whoop for a couple years now. Definitely recommend giving Athlytic/bevel/sonar a go. Early on, the various apps, were not as good as Whoop in terms of interpreting your data into valuable insights. They are pretty much on par these days. If you already have an Apple watch, those apps have basic free tiers, So you can wear both and compare for a while. Do a monthly subscription for whichever app you like the best. With most of the recent apple watches, you can probably get away with fast charging while you're in the shower only, so effectively it's worn all of the time.

Does it have to be a watch? I love my Whoop because it's low maintenance and I forget it's on until I get the notification to charge it. I love my Garmin Instinct Tactical (I'm active duty military so it's dual purpose), but I have to take it off whenever I use wrist wraps or my grips during a WOD.

I think you should probably look at the Whoop instead of the Apple Watch. It's a little more fitness-focused that the Apple Watch, and it can get 5 days of battery life.

I wear a whoop in my right wrist.

Agreed. I own an Apple Watch Ultra, a garmin instinct, an aura ring and a whoop. There is no perfect fitness tracker, they all have pros and cons. People who give a black and white “x is better than y” always get a raised eyebrow from me.

Been a Whoop user for 3 years and it's pretty good (aside from the subscription part). You can buy Whoop clothing (e.g. boxers) to have the tracker away from your wrist if you don't like it there during certain activities.

I have a Garmin Fenix 7S Pro alongside my Whoop. I wore both for a week or two and found the sleep data on the Garmin to be relatively similar to the Whoop, albeit in a visualization and data representation that was exponentially worse. A big part of the appeal with a Whoop is being able to wear it all night without noticing it’s on my wrist. The Garmin is much bulkier and leaves a noticeable impression on my wrist no matter how tight or loose I wear the band. The only reason I still use the Garmin is because I like to see comparative HR data when working out to ensure my Whoop isn’t getting a bad reading - in some cases I have to adjust the position of my Whoop slightly in order to mitigate false readings. Once that is “calibrated”, I can put the phone away and just rely on the Garmin to inform me on my HR.

I tuck mine into the band of my sports bra. Works great and you can tell Whoop it's in a compression top without buying one of their special gathers.

In terms of accuracy, the device you will actually wear will be the best for you. None of these devices are 100% accurate for sleep tracking. But they all do a decent enough job. If you are looking for the most accurate, Apple watch does seem to hold a small edge over both garmin and whoop when compared to a chest strap according to both TQS and DC Rainmaker -- two of the biggest reviews. I do think AW does a much better job of detecting sleep - it just knows. With garmin it mostly looks at my set times and with whoop I am constantly telling it Im done sleeping. But I'd argue that the difference in accuracy doesnt matter for most people other than the most serious athletes. What matters most is what you need. Need a smartwatch with a screen? Go apple or garmin. Longest battery life? Garmin. LTE? AW. Dont want to or cant wear a smart watch but want the data? Whoop. Cheapest? AW SE or cheap garmin. I do think whoop is overpriced for what it is compared to its competition. I've worn both garmin and AW for many years. Currently have a garmin 955 and AW. I am doing the Whoop trial. There is nothing one of these devices really does better in terms of 'health' that another doesnt. They all tell me my sleep, all tell me my HR, and all tell me my HRV. Pick the one you think you will use and wear the most. Don't overthink it.

Have an AW and currently doing whoop trial. The thing whoop is giving me is wildly inaccurate HR readings. Just for example, Did a casual bike ride with my child yesterday afternoon and whoop gave me a 187 high HR. This was a really slow like 4 block bike ride. AW said 108hr peak. Ive biked hard, ran as hard as possible doing max HR tests with my H10 chest strap and never hit above high 160s. Im not sure whats going on but its been doing this type of odd HR readings all week. Id really encourage you to do a trial before putting any money in whoop. Even if the HR was accurate Im not getting anything AW doesnt give me. Im realizing whoop is for people that dont want a smartwatch or cant wear a smartwatch for work reasons. Its a step down from AW.

Yes, 100%. There are way too many haters in this sub. If you use it right, Whoop is an amazing tool. I also had an Apple Watch (for almost 6 years) and wanted something for my health and fitness without a screen. It was the best purchase of 2024 for me. I missed my Apple Watch exactly 0 times.

To note, I’m currently on the trial, 2.5 weeks in and a few anomalies have completely thrown my averages. To the point where the data makes little sense e.g. I’ve had two days where my HRV has been 160, my average is therefore something like 55-70, whereas my actual average based on the majority of my readings is closer to 35-40. Because of Whoops weighting of HRV on recovery, I’m living in a constant state of red recoveries, in spite of all other metrics being within range, within strain limits and with a very good sleep score. Point being - I’m veering towards letting it run another few weeks to a month to see if this balances out, problem is free trial is done by then and my annual amount will have already left my account. So not really sure if the trial is worth it on this basis. Unless I myself am an anomaly.

Bevel is an exact clone of Whoop, not Garmin

What are you saying? Whoop certainly will broadcast your HR…I use it daily

Yup. I treat Whoop as my main fitness tracker/health monitor but also wear a Garmin Tactix 8 or AW Ultra depending on what I feel like wearing that day.

I'd think Whoop with a bicep band just to be extra subtle. No gps or anything but it does a good job with load, stress and calories burned.

I did use the AW Ultra with Bevel and Gentler Streak. Can definitley recommend trying both apps on the free trial and see what fits your needs. Since I do not like to wear a watch in bed I‘ll stick to my Whoop for 24/7 tracking. Only use my AW when I need to record GPS (e.g. on water rowing).

I ditched my Apple Watch for whoop. Would not recommend I did a trial in summer of 2024 and used my main email address, but didn’t keep the device and sent it back at the end of the trial. I did another trial this summer using a secondary email, ended up liking the device the this time and decided to keep it, sold my Apple Watch, paid the $300, and I had WHOOP close my original account from 2024, so that I could update the email address on my current account (2025) to my primary email. Horrible mistake. This has completely bricked my account. I’ve been on the phone with WHOOP several times and we’ve been emailing over the last week trying to get back into my account, and there seems to be no fix available whatsoever. I can’t get on the account using my primary email, I can’t get on the account using my secondary email, and WHOOP recommended that I just make a new email address, stating that this would fix the issue. So I made a random email JUST for WHOOP, and they responded saying they updated the email address and that I should be able to login. I cannot. The account is still bricked, and I still cannot login. They’re also refusing to refund my money (even though I started my $300 membership just 57 days ago) but offered me a 1 month membership credit ON THE ACCOUNT THAT I CANNOT ACCESS.

Same, Whoop feels less lame.

Get both if you can afford(aw se/ what you already have would be sufficient). Whoop can do measurements passively, more frequently than aw like every second. This can help to observe stress, hr throughout the day and infer how your body responds to workouts, diets etc. Compared to aw the hr readings might be off a bit, this can be offset to an extent using bicep band. Im using with bicep band and hr is sometimes off by 2-3 beats compared to a polar verity sense. Based on my observations whoop has better sleep tracking that aligns with how i feel. With apple watch you can track workouts live, observe zones, pace, take calls, has crash/ fall detection for safety. Compared to whoop, have to charge aw frequently. If only one could help you meet your needs use only one of them.

Been using my Apple Ultra with Athlytic along with my whoop in comparison for the last 4-5months just incase whoop pulled this with the upgrade. Athlytic largely gets you all the data whoop does so they just made very easy mentally for me to cancel

I've got a Garmin, Fitbit, and Whoop...I honestly appreciate what each offers. If I had to be limited to one, it would be the Garmin...I'll refer to it as the Swiss Army knife as it covers all my needs more so than the other devices.

I think the whoop is worth the investment

Same thing happened to me. I just canceled my order completely. Especially after reading everyone else’s posts on here.

They said I had to wait for my order to be delivered, return it and then place another order with it included. My order wasn’t even processed yet, let alone shipped. Yet they couldn’t modify the order after it’s been placed. Seems like BS to me. Like I said, I tried to cancel the order completely but they couldn’t do it. So now I’ll just return it when I get it without placing another one after. I’m over whoop completely at this point. I’ll just wait until the new Apple Watch Ultra 3 and the new Apple fitness+ plans come out in the fall.

100% from a pure data collection perspective Whoop is the best due to that

He wears it on his bicep to get that data. Most users wear the Whoop on their wrists where the data is not nearly as accurate.

They are only insights taken through the night while sleeping, at your most relaxed state, they are not going to be very useful. The Whoop can't take true BP measure measurement, it will be using some algorithm with your heart rate to give you a number.

It isn't a blood pressure monitor, it gives you insights about your blood pressure, not a true blood pressure reading.

Here's something i haven't seen mentioned here, and especially since you mentioned sleep data—how do you plan on sleeping with the Apple Watch? I personally found it to be very uncomfortable compared to the whoop.

Apple Watch for sure. I used my whoop for a while and the HR was wildly inaccurate. I could be sweating and tired on a high resistance portion on the bike and my HR would only show zone1-2….. I find my HR accuracy with my Apple Watch.

Whoop literally changed my life. It’s amazing. The people hating on it I have nothing better to do

Ive tried a few and here’s my feedback. Apple watch: it’s a smart watch not a fitness watch. It has improved recently (the latest models should be significantly more accurate than the one I had 4+ years ago) however for me personally it’s the distraction element that I do not like. I do not need another screen. Fitbit; data is ok for a beginner, but definitely not great or accurate for someone training 5-6x a week and combining cardio, sports, weights etc. Whoops: no screen which is a major + for me. Can wear it on wrist, bicep or underwear. Really good measurement of sleep and calculation of sleep/down time based on your daily activity. That helps a lot plan your sleep and have better recovery and as a consequence, perform great in the following day. I am quite curious to try Oura and Garmin (even though I’d hate to go back to screen wearables) maybe i’ll get one of them next year but so far, Whoop is 100% the best Fitness tracker out there imo. In addition, I’ve realized that in all High End resorts that I’ve been in the past 3 years, people wear 2 things: a rolex or a whoop 😂 so as a Henry I guess that’s a good indicator.

I have both a Garmin and a Whoop. Whoop provides invaluable data on recovery and sleep metrics, but doesn’t provide detailed workout analysis like a Garmin. I use Whoop recovery insights to determine how hard I push my training.

Had whoop for 2 years but just stopped using it. I bought a polar loop and very happy with that. No subscription and does the basics: sleep, hrv, strain very well

Reddit is anti-whoop but I love it

I didn’t get on with whoop - the band went loose when I swam and it would get HR cadence lock during running. After returning it before the end of my free trial I then noticed that 90+% of whoop users aren’t actually all that into sport/training, and all the really sporty people I know use a Garmin… says a lot.

Couple guys at my gym (myself included) use whoop

It really depends on context and sensor type. If you start a workout it samples why more often. In reality for me it doesn't matter in the end. Had Whoop for years, now Apple watch for 1 year and there is no difference in my fitness progression or sleep quality.

I have. I used to wear both but whoop only now, especially since they added step count to whoop. I like not having the screen.

Bicep strap with the Whoop. Been wearing it 24/7 for two years.

Good news is you can program your watch by either (or both) focus's and notifications. The watch isn't the same as whoop. But it gives you all of the same features depending on which subscriptions you have. They are all significantly less than whoop though. I frequently golf and was drawn to whoop years ago and I loved it. I learned a ton on what is good and what is bad for me. I cancelled shortly after the 4.0 drop because I already learned everything there is to know. But I still wanted the data. I just couldn't fathom spending an annual subscription that was as much as the Apple Watch itself when I didn't see Whoop trending in the right direction. Whoop 3.0 was it's peak. Once they started selling eye masks and new bands at a rate of 300% more than it was in the blink of an eye, I was out. I use; Bevel = $50/year Heart Analyzer = $9/one time fee HeartWatch = $6/one time fee AutoSleep = $6/one time fee Heart Analyzer and HeartWatch both offer V02 Max, Bevel will probably offer this in the future. All of the above offer HRV. AutoSleep measures HRV during sleep and upon waking (Breathe app is recommended which is free) The others track HRV through SDNN and RMSSD. Whoop tracks it more often, however you still get multiple readings per day with the other apps and can manually trigger it using the Breathe app. Bevel is the highest cost but also provides you: * Recovery score * Stress score * Energy bank * Sleep score * Sleep recommendations * Strain score * Strength builder * Journal * Lifestyle impact analysis * Training zones * complication/widgets for the watch Autosleep: * Automatic sleep detection * Plethora of sleep metrics and analysis * Sleep bank * Smart alarm

I was looking for a reason to drop whoop but based on the comments here and other places I've seen, im better off keeping whoop for now

Seriously for me it's like comparing apples with oranges. Why? The very name says it, one is a fitness band and the other is a smart watch. Whoop is not about sensors, it's more about the algorithm, which analyses your live data and nudges you to recover more or to have some strain. You can forget about it once you get used to it. You never have to take it off literally. You can pause your subscription if you don't feel like using it for a period or you can switch to a monthly subscription. What you need to understand is, whoop is not about it's hardware, it's a SaaS. And lastly Whoop's sleep analysis is something that these smart watches are not built for.

How do you wear your whoop and your nice watch? That’s actually why I got a whoop. I’ve always had an AW and loved it but then I was gifted a high end watch that I want to wear regularly…

Yes I bought a whoop a couple of years ago with this in mind. This was a major selling point.

Tbh, the patterns are more important than the accuracy. My whoop measures sleep a lot different to my Apple Watch, but it doesn’t matter. Because ultimately, the stats don’t matter so long as they stay stable as the real benefit of things like this is trend tracking.

I use Whoop and have done for over 18 months. If you want to make lifestyle changes then whoop is the better of the 3. Long battery life (3 days) , charges on your arm, unnoticeable to wear and doesn’t feel like you’ve got a rock strapped to your wrist when you sleep. Will track things outside the gym such as sleep and stress which is probably two important factors as a HENRY. You can also purchase the bicep band, arm sleeve or boxers if you prefer. It has tonnes of data and graphs and fairly certain you can also export data files to do your own analysis on top. If you want someone purely performance based then garmin is better but lacks the above points.

Maybe not unique on the market, but there are only two serious players in it. Whoop is one the other makes a device that can’t be used while lifting.

Whoop on my left wrist and my BBPro on my right. I'm a lefty and I also wouldn't do a screened fitness tracker with an analog watch. I just got the the whoop a couple months ago and have been really happy with it 👍

I pre-ordered. This is fine for my needs, which includes being able to wear a nice watch from time to time without losing out on data, and using instead of my Vantage 1 when my V3 needs charging. I had Whoop for 8 years and am glad to be free of that. Like OP I don’t really understand the strategy of announcing months in advance. I don’t hate Flow as much as some do, but if they also improve that then great. All in all this is a decent addition if you have been in Polar ecosystem for a while, and might encourage some new users or people fed up of paying for Whoop’s incessant influencer marketing 🤣

Influencer marketing. They are first class at that.

Whoop was terrible for me. The basic HR metrics, which is the basis of all the analytics, were all over the place. I went to AW Ultra 2 and the Athytic app.

You'll get basically all the tracking (Apple will surely have blood pressure monitoring if Whoop does). And if you like the Whoop app's style of Strain, Sleep, journalling etc.. you can get an app like Bevel or Athlytic for a couple of bucks a month. Personally I'll be ditching my Whoop due to this pricing and using my Apple Watch with Bevel.

Hey, i just got one, its actually quite good, tracks well and the app isnt bad. Im not sure about the accuracy of the hrv spo2 and those variables but the step tracking and sleep track well (steps +-150 steps). I previously free trialed whoop, its obviously not as good but gives similar stats and has the screen free design. I do wish the app connected better to apple health, and give updates like strain. Also quick question about the running modes it says it has gps is that true? Overall great buy for cheap, does the job

Whoop seems to the fitness tracker most popular among watch enthusiasts. I refused to wear a smart watch, and whoop has been the solution.

A lot of people have the Whoop combined with Garmin! Some mainly use the Garmin for workouts (Eg. running) and the whoop for recovery insights. So it's totally possible! Recommend placing the Whoop on your bicep with a bicep band (order separately) so you have your other wrist empty :)

I'm with you. I wear a Whoop 24/7, and a Garmin 90% of the time. I just wish the data was all integrated. It feels especially silly when I'm wearing a Whoop on my right wrist, a Garmin on my left, and an Orangetheory armband on my left bicep when I workout there (the OTF armband allows me to see my HR stats live on the tread/big board during class).

In case my reaction still matters: for me personally, I dont want to have watch that distracts me with telling me that I have another message on whats app, or another email. Yes I know you cam turn this off but what is the remaining value of having a smart watch? Aside from that I wanted to have something that is comfortable to sleep with. For that reason alone apple watch is not my preferred option. But there are also other reasons, what I like about Whoop is its focus on recovery, I think there its really unique and more value than tracking the perfect heart rate, exact amount of callory burn. Btw if you value those last two things that much then Garmin might be a better option for you. So I guess its just a matter of what you are chasing for in life in terms of health and sports.

Happy to know I’m not the only one why sleeps with multiple devices lol (AWU3, F8 Pro, Oura, Ultahuman and occasionally whoop) 😅

For me it is worth it. I have an Apple Watch s8 and had an Oura ring gen 4, I prefer the whoop over all of them.

Having had both, I far prefer the UI and breadth of data collected by Whoop. That said, I think either will realistically get the job done for a fitness-concerned individual.

I did Apple Watch forever but got tired of being “so connected” Moved to whoop a few months ago. It’s ok… not sure I love it or really understand everything it’s telling me, but it does the trick

I really like the journaling/tracking data on the whoop… how it shows you if intermittent fasting or alcohol affects your sleep and recovery. Do these apps allow you to do that w the Apple Watch?

I wear a whoop, which has similar features to the Oura ring, but is significantly safer when climbing. I wear the wrist band usually, but I have done the bicep band as well.

I am using both. But I’m a mechanical watch guy so whoop is what I will wear 24/7 and Apple Watch is only sth I will wear when I put down my mechanical watch. I only hv so much data as long as the thing is on my wrist so whoop is the way for me. Having said that, I’m still using my Apple watch for workout and Bevel to log my food (which is very good)

Being not an athlete at all I don’t care too much the true HR measurement as I use Whoop or AW just to 1) track my overall wellbeing and 2) gamify as to motivate me. So the honest answer is I don’t know about the accuracy. But Whoop and AW have around 10% difference with Whoop being the lower read.

I wear a whoop on a bicep band and swap out my SMP for an Apple Watch when I go to the gym

Neither is really giving you an accurate score. It’s an educated guess. Sometimes a fairly good educated guess, but still a guess. if you really want to track sleep… You need to be tracking brain waves. I have tried a few EEG (closest thing to PSG) headbands & the readings showed me that wearables like Whoop & AW are just guessing. They only moderately correlated. Honestly the sleep score on these devices are about one of the most inaccurate features considering how much weight many people put on them

I have had Oura for about 3 years. I recently got Whoop. They both have strengths & weaknesses. The biggest negative for Oura for me is that it needs charging about every second day. If you do any traveling it’s a pain. Oura also has a monthly fee. Whoop holds a charge for 2 weeks. I think Oura is inaccurate as to things like VO2 max. Whoop gives me more useful info for every thing but sleep. If I had to pick one it’s whoop

I've got a whoop because it can be worn in other places that are not as a watch.

Yes. Not completely in agreement but I trust the exercise metrics more on Garmin and the sleep/recovery more with Whoop. Borrowed an Apple Watch for a bit more than a week to see what it catches and it does get a lot of data. For me the presentation is not as easy to deal with as the others. Whoop has been quite useful for me to identify the dietary issues I have. Figuring out what I cannot eat without physical stress has been helpful. Renewing will depend on how Whoop treats customers. They are not making me feel like a valued customer and there is no value to keeping a subscription since Garmin is absolutely superior in recording training. They might be able to provide added value for tracking exercise if they allowed proper HR straps to pair for something like running, but they never will.

Whoop gives continuous heart rate monitoring, a wide range of data, allows broadcasting of heart rate, wireless charging while in use, has a haptic alarm and provides all of its findings in a visually appealing software package with AI that provides proper assessments. Additionally Whoop is simply comfortable to use 24/7. Whoop is expensive, yes, but it is the gold standard. It’s the one the others try to copy. But either you can afford it or not.

Love my Whoop but your assessment is right on. For many the Helio is a home run. Others of us prefer more. It’s good to have choices.

Sticking with the best all the others want to be: Whoop.

So am I. With the best!

Been excellent for me. Matched my Polar and Garmin. Expensive but Whoop simply the best. And it’s comfortable to wear, the most basic thing to check off.

Ich habe seit knapp 9 Monaten ein Whoop und ich finde es mittlerweile besser, als ich am Anfang erwartet hätte. Wenn ich es zum Black Friday nochmal für 199€ verlängert bekomme, wäre ich ein weiteres Jahr dabei und beobachte so lange, wie es mit Loop und Helio weiter geht. Was Whoop (für mich) ganz gut macht, sind die Insights, die ich aus dem täglichen Logbuch ziehe - da werd Verhalten im Alltag mit Erholung korreliert. Zu wissen, dass "Handy im Bett" sich negativ und Meditation positiv auf meine Erholung auswirkt, ist das eine - es in Zahlen zu sehen ist das andere. Mir hat es geholfen, mein Verhalten zu ändern. Das die offiziellen 260€ im Jahr dafür absolut lächerlich viel sind: keine Frage. Aber Gym ist mein Hobby und ich gebe ohnehin viel Geld dafür aus. Da sind die \~20€ im Monat eigentlich auch kein Genickbruch. Zumindest nicht im Moment. Auf lange Sicht hätte ich aber gerne was ohne Abo. Und Polar vertraue ich als Hersteller, dass sie wissen, wie man sowas baut und gleichzeitig würde ich ihnen beim Datenschutz etwas mehr trauen als Amazfit. Aber das ist mein persönlicher Bias. Bei Polar sieht die App auf den Screenshots ziemlich cringe aus. Amafit macht das scheinbar besser. Ob die so gut wie die Whoop App sind, müsste man sehen - ich habe aber Zweifel, weil die schon sehr slick ist. Gleichzeitig gehe ich jede Wette ein, dass Polar und Amazfit es sich nicht nehmen lassen werden, irgendwann auch einen "Premium Service" anzubieten, hinter dem dann zusätzliche Auswertungen versteckt werden. Das ist einfach viel zu lukrativ und verlockend.

Damals gab's nur eine und die entspricht dem heutigen "Peak". Die Variante ergibt meines Erachtens nach auch am meisten Sinn. "ONE" ist zwar ein bisschen günstiger, aber dafür fehlen Funktionen und das Ladegerät hat ein Kabel. Was super dumm ist. Denn ein wirklich praktisches Feature ist das kabellose laden: du lädst einen kleinen schwarzen Akkupack am Kabel auf, den du danach für \~20 Minuten "huckepack" auf das Whoop klemmst. In der Zeit lädt er dann das Whoop selbst kabellos auf. Danach kannst du den Pack wieder abnehmen und hast \~14 Tage (bei meiner Version 4.0 noch \~4 Tage) Ruhe. Man muss das Whoop selbst also nie abnehmen\*. Das gibt gibt's aber jetzt erst ab "Peak" "Peak" ist wie gesagt die neue Variante von dem, was ich habe. Würde ich wieder machen. "Life" hat genau drei Features mehr: Erkennung von Vorhofflimmern, EKG und Blutdruck. Letzteres ist von der Genauigkeit her eher so "meh", wie ich das verstanden habe. Das wäre mir die 150€ Aufpreis im Jahr nicht wert. So weit geht's dann mit dem "Ich gebe viel Geld für mein Hobby aus" doch nicht. ;) Meine Empfehlung: mach einen kostenlosen Probemonat, nimm die kostenlose 2-Wochen-Verlängerung am Schluss mit und schau, ob du daran Spaß hast. Und das noch als Kontext, weil die Nachricht ohnehin zu lang ist: Whoop hat es sich beim Wechsel von 4.0 zu 5.0 durch ein ziemlich ignorantes Verhalten mit einigen Fans verspielt. Ich war auch enttäuscht. Darum wird spannend sein, ob und wie sie auf die neuen Player im Markt reagieren. \*... wobei grade das standard-band nach dem duschen sehr lange nass bleibt. Ich habe mir bei Temu (seufz, ich weiß) für 9€ pro Stück Ersatzbänder ("SportFlex"-artig) bestellt und wechsle regelmäßig.

After 3.5 years with Whoop I'm well aware of how my body reacts to anything, so the usefulness of the device is not there anymore. I also got a good understanding of how to train, what amount to strain to take on, etc. And overall pricing is just too much at this point for me. I simply don't get enough value for the money.

Yeah. Tbh, I don't even know what I would add to the device, because at this point it seems that with these sensors and tech we kinda reached the limit of what's possible. And even so, Whoop is not that accurate. If it was cheaper I would probably stay, but current pricing is ridiculous imo. Having said that, I also understand that for some people it is worth it, especially for those who joined just recently, because the novelty is there, and there is a lot to discover about your body. Btw, I didn't know Oura also had a coach. I'll have a look :) Maybe Oura + Helio would make a nice combo!

I love my whoop - enjoy

Garmin or Whoop. I wore a whoop for a little over four years and learned a lot about myself. Good luck with the choice and let us know how it goes!

App functionality was good, especially since they added their “strength tracker” w hypertrophy movements. My biggest gripe was with the sleep tracker. Just didn’t match up w how I felt but the strain and HR tracker was great.

I'm pretty disappointed. The only reason I still have whoop is because it doesn't have a screen and I can wear it in boxers when I'm doing judo or other activities where you can't wear a watch. Anyone know any? Definitely think I'm going to cancel as soon as my sub is up. Just not worth it. Someone has to come up with a competitor soon right?

I hear ya. I use tracking devices because I think improving HRV is important. That's pretty much it. I never use calorie function (not a fan of CICO) and I wear an analogue watch so I don't want a smart watch type device. I did try Whoop for a month and came to exactly the same conclusion as you.

Apple Watch or anything but just not Whoop. Whoop is a very bad investment. It is The Most Expensive and The Least Accurate. It is clunky. It gives you rash. It shines green light into your face at night although it is screenless. It is just so poorly made that you need to cut off your blood circulation in order to it be pressed into your skin and do not shine green light. I had Whoop for three months and it started showing a very bad data. Like catastrophicly bad. I believed it and it caused me a month of nightmare. Until I questioned not myself but this device. Bought Polar chest strap to check my HRV, it was VERY different and was showing me my normal data, data that whoop originally showed to me as well until three months into use it stopped. Since then I bought Apple Watch 10 and never looked back. No more weirdness.

Me too! I'm trying not to think about how much I've paid over the years but Whoop checks all my boxes compared to competitors. I got a Garmin watch to see if it would replace Whoop but I just can't sleep with it at night, the slim firm of Whoop wins there plus their sleep data doesn't seem accurate compared to Whoop. My hands are too small for a bulky Oura ring and I'm an Android user so no apple watch for me. I do admit, if I was in a worse financial situation, Whoop would have to go.

I go with Whoop > Apple Watch the data for what I care about is better and my work pays for it

I like the Fitbit inspire but I don’t like how the data is being interpreted and given to me. I’m trying the whoop and it seems like they do a better job of using your data to give you information that can be useful. I’m only on day 2 but I think it may be better for me.

Whoop is a great all-round device and works great for me as a general fitness and recovery tracker. Probably not the best for Running or cycling as you don't get the detailed stats like you would in other devices like Garmin or Apple Watch and no GPS data unless you carry your phone with you. If those are not issues for you I'd say stick with it if you can stomach the cost. If you want to save money get the Amazfit Helio strap. It's 99 USD, has great battery life and has most the functions of the Whoop but the app UX is not as polished as Whoop's app.

I switched from Ultrahuman to Whoop. Ultrahuman is garbage btw, I ran through 3 rings in under a year. Also they lost the lawsuit to Oura so there might be support issues in the future in the US.

I agree, my whoop under counts HR by 10-20 BPM while exercising,  making most of its metrics worthless to me

Hume Health have 44% 1\* reviews on trust pilot - I also read an article on their software alog and their scales being fairly inaccurate. Happy enough with whoop and their 10 years accumulated experience

That’s why I left whoop. The sensor quality is awful and the sensor inputs are manipulated heavily with software. My point of reference is I had a polar for years, the old one that came with a watch. It worked the second you started running or lifting. I hate the fact that the sensor needs time to calibrate to get a comparable reading to a polar. The software driven stuff is just nonsense to me, but maybe I am “old school”.

Whoop is absolutely great at sleep tracking. Health less and for fitness is not that good.

I did trial and it wasnt for me..definitely recommend to all newbies to try 30 day trial.

Apple Watch isn’t constantly tracking, whereas Whoop is. Whoop provides a much greater analysis of data collected - granted you can get apps on Apple Watch like Bevel and Athlytic, but these are subscription based on top of your watch cost. Apple Watch requires charging every day which most people do at night so it isn’t a good sleep tracker - unless you take it off during the day to charge which is annoying. 14 days battery life on Whoop. Also, Whoop is for people who don’t want a smart watch. I don’t want notifications on my wrist or a giant screen. I wear mechanical watches and having a slim device I forget it on my wrist is pretty great.

I had an Apple Watch before whoop and both aren’t ideal at spikes tbf - again, it’s the optic technology. I use an ECG band if I want a true reading.

Whoop wearer here. The Whoop is a fantastic piece of kit (ignore the negativity on that sub, it’s toxic) BUT what I will say is that any optic HR reader (one that shines a green light and records the response rate) will not perform nearly as well as an electric heart rate monitor like the Polar H10. This uses electric pulses to record your HR and is pretty much spot on. With Whoop, Garmin, Apple Watch, the HR is only as good as the reader can guestimate.

Not comparable. Whoop takes heart rate every second and produces zillion more datapoints compared to what takes a measurement every 7 minutes or so

I tried Whoop and Apple Watch. In general, I think it might just be around your WOD habits. I find myself more focused on the tasks and technique needed and/or strategy when not using a tracker. Plus, if you use any kind of grips or wrist wraps it’s not efficient to get all that together. My 2 cents: get a WOD tracker app like BTWB and log your reps, weights and workouts. It’s oddly not perfect but, if you want some sort of tracking going that’s good. TLDR: whoop is expensive and will tell you that you are exhausted when you are obviously exhausted (listen to your body). apple watch is expensive and I was sceptical of the durability when using various weight types.

I wear a Whoop while I play. If you're not keen on it being on your wrist they offer a myriad of alternative methods to mount the sensor, but Ive never had issues with it staying in place on my wrist. Sits under the guard on my glove. 

Did the same a while back and now back at whoop. There’s something more premium about whoop that I can’t put my finger on tbh. I get a sense of enjoyment looking at the whoop app that I just didn’t get from bevel, I just felt overwhelmed with the data it gave me. 

Phelps wore a much earlier version in the Olympics, and still wears his. And it’s only improved since then, significantly. It knows the precise minute I start and stop my swims. I find it very precise.

I literally just posted a survey for a project I am working on to solve this problem!! [<<>>](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSetAuuxIe62QCdQ23KdedEPaghJ5TOdiiO25420V6CHCSIh2w/viewform?usp=dialog) We also are raffling prizes for those that complete it :) I usually use Strava because I also run a lot. Sometimes Whoop as well but feel like it never captures my strain correctly.

Whoop I think is the best for CrossFit and not just running. The strain Metric is best for lifting workouts. Journaling features really helped me see what types of behaviors have positive and negative effects. The price point is what made me quit using it. It was fine for running also, but you never got miles or steps, just a strain score. I use a FITBIT inspire now. It was the cheapest, lightest, and longest lasting wearable on the market. The steps feature was more useful for me in regards to overall activity outside of the gym. It does sleep, heart rate, and distance well. It even has a "daily readiness" score similar to Whoops recovery score.

I got whoop mostly to try to help me track/work on my stress levels... So this is appealing to me!

Im a long time Apple Watch user, and spent some time with whoop, never thought apple would let any 3rd party access the data their devices collect. That is a game changer, ill give bevel a try

I choose Whoop with the understanding future hardware would be included. This feels like false advertising now in hind-site?

I’d say Whoop is more of a lifestyle tracker first, then gym and cardio tracker second. It doesn’t really pick up any of my gym workouts consistently so i always make sure to manually start them.

Yes! Same— well marathons. I need the insights Whoop provides. I will say however that the most accurate HR monitor I have is my Garmin HRM Pro but I’m not gonna wear that thing all day and night. Plus Whoop has a community, I am a part of a “team” that is very active on chat which motivates and inspires me. I have an Apple Watch which dies too quickly. I also have a Fenix 8 which is clunky as hell.

Same here The price and app are disappointing. Just bought another year of whoop.Hoping Helio or loop 2 do better

Its matter of health vs activity tracking. I am long time garmin user and tried whoop for years. Whoop puts more focus on your health rather then training. It makes sleep recovery focal point vs fitniess activities. You can try your lifestyle and see its impact.. alcohol, screentime, sex, varies foods, mental state and it will incorporate that and give you feedback. Compared to garmin which focus onyour runs or biking etc and helping you improve those activities and become a better athlete.

I used whoop for 2yrs but after 6mon felt like I no longer need it. Once you understand your life style its not really needed.

I returned it due to the cost and bought a Fitbit. The whoop was way more accurate and less buggy

Whoop is great. I've been wearing one nearly 4 years now. I don't always check it every day, but I keep it on my wrist and charged constantly- I never take it off so the data is always there when I want it. Some of the recent drama was pretty justified, but most of it is a big entitled overreaction. Sensor accuracy is perfectly fine for anyone looking to hold themselves accountable or improve fitness. It does not replace actual medical devices for getting that last 3% of performance out of a pro athlete. Whoop has 2 unbeatable features, the charging and the method of displaying the data. The charging is on-wrist which is amazing for consistency. If you never take it off, you never forget to put it back on. The app is very well done (for the most part) and gives access to almost anything you'd want.

Whoop can track activities, however it's not a great activity tracker. You'll also want to see live metrics on your wrist during runs if you are taking it seriously. Need a proper watch for this.

Whoop is not a great activity tracker. Outside wellness and recovery features, having your live stats on the watch is extremely valuable and Whoop doesn’t have a screen.

Just my opinion, but use a dedicated running app. I use Whoop to measure and provide feedback on “overall” performance and recovery, rather than the granular details of my activities. Yes it’s multiple apps, but they all have their purposes and specialties, while being individually good at each of them. Adding features dilutes this specialization, making the whole ethos less effective in the long run. This need to have Whoop dig into the details is what’s causing all the issues and distaste for Strength Trainer. If we insist on the details, we might as well have it start tracking my rowing strokes and splits, golf strokes, yardage and handicap, hiking elevation, and my “other” strokes. Again, just my opinion.

I’ve been an AW user since first launch. In 2017 I’ve tried to switch to Garmin and till 2025 I’ve used both periodically. This year I’ve bought whoop as I thought that it will help me to be fit and train better than before looking at recovery and sleep data. But… Honestly these things influence on my activity behaviour negatively in comparison with the time when I did not track it. The same shit with apps like bevel and athlytic. Common, I understood how was my sleep night before, had I junk food in my dinner, did i trained too much yesterday. But now it influenced on my plan for the day. I’m not a pro sportsmen, I just cycle for fun, do gym and walk for a leisure. I am not CR7 or Sabalenka to go in such deep detail. Now I’ ve deleted all apps such bevel, gifted whoop to friend and you know - I am free. And I train with a good mood.

It can track activities if you keep your phone with you. Wouldn’t recommend, I use my whoop for tracking strain and mainly recovery. Check out coros, I got a pace 3 just over 1 month ago and it works very well. I kinda wonder if the pace pro would’ve been a better fit for me because of the better screen but compared to my Apple Watch the pace 3 is a game changer

Same.. whoop on Right .. BB on left

As a Whoop user, I'd say it's "good", not great, at everything. However, it truly is great at showing you the data and how you can improve. 

I don't recommend the Oura ring or any watches. Look into something like Whoop, or for a less expensive option, Polar Verity Sense.

Whoop pushes HR to equipment and has better sensors than the Loop

Yes. Whoop on the right. Bb58 on the left. Would not wear a watch style tracker, mind

the HR on the Whoop is terrible .. only way to make it accurate is on Bicep, wrist HR is miles better on Helio. Plus the price is insane for what you get.

I've used Apple Watches since they were introduced and I've had an original AWU since it first shipped. I was also using a Whoop for three years but changed that to a Fenix 8 in May. I've been very happy with the Garmin for its fitness and health capabilities, but its software maturity and UI is a big drop from what Apple offers. Unlike you, the non-fitness aspects of the AWU are super important to me and things like texting and notifications on the Fenix are pretty poor. So I just wear both, all the time! I've been very happy.

I switched from WHOOP to Garmin. Never looked back. And I'm a data freak. But with WHOOP I felt like a slave to my data, while Garmin is more like a feedback source. Biggest difference for me was with heart rate data. Whoop shows you how much you've spent in a certain threshold. Garmin does that and also shows you exactly how your heart rate changed over time. That way you clearly see how you perform in intervals, marathons, sprints and mixed trainings. I got WHOOP hoping to get my stress under control. I haven't been able to track it there. Meanwhile, in Garmin you get alerts if your heart rate spikes out of the blue. And that's exactly what I was looking for.

I was in your shoes this time last year and I ended up getting the Whoop on the black friday sale. So here is my takeaway: Whoop was ideal as my priority was tracking Sleep & recovery - as I traveled a lot and had quite a stressful time. so that was more important to me than my running metrics. Having said that I then did use my ancient Garmin Fenix 3 to track runs and have my pace and distance on my wrist which is useful especially when starting out so you hit your target pace. But Recovery and HRV etc was always more important. A combination you'll find lots of Whoop users do. I recommend such a dedicated recovery device to anyone and liken it to tracking calories. It's good to get a good overview and insight into your life - even if it isn't forever. Like a mental calibration So after one year now for example I will NOT be extending my whoop and go with a cheaper/ less dedicated option like the Helios etc. So if you want to get the "best"/market leading for the first year to see how you go and to really learn your patterns etc. I can definitely recommend Whoop, as you know what you are getting and most others have consideral cut backs/aren't as accurate etc. etc.

Frequency does not equal accuracy and reliability. HR reading on Whoop are known for being absolutely aweful. Better having an accurate reading every 5 minutes than multiple bad readings every seconds. That being said, it's a shame because Whoop has awesome software and data analysis, but makes it somehow unusable because of bad hr data in. If HR accuracy is not a problem for you, and only follow "very general trends", yeah Whoop is a cool product. But if you are at some minimal point serious about HR accuracy, for real sport / performance / improvment, you cannot relly on it. It's not about being a hater or not, it's about having a "tool" that really works or not for your needs, or simply works (or not) as advertised it should. People here tends to either be in love with Whoop blindlesly and spitting on every proven negative fact about it, or hate it to the bones.

You are saying that getting "constant tracking' makes it a good device. It's just not. If my harte rate is at about 80 bpm over an hour ; If a Polar device, Garmin, apple watch says it's at 80 with readings every minute or so, and whoop says 65 every seconds, your "constant readings" are not worth anything. Garbage in, garbage out. Not saying that other brands are perfect, they is always an error margin at some point, but other brands are way much closer to what an ECG would read, which is a known reliable reference. That has been scientifically tested over and over. And a bpm is not a subjective measure, it's a physically occuring event. Even counting it manually with a timer and my finger on my neck would be more accurate. Anyone saying otherwise are just not able to think objectily and understand simple *facts*, and are just too much in love with the brand for some reason, or matbe in the bias if trying to justify the price they pay . Like I said, Whoop has a lot of positives : But their linear HR sensors are poor quality, and not the ideal way of positioning them (VS circular patern). Else, they would be a 10/10 tbh, comfortable and minimal bands, awesome software and all...but well... Give poop the a jeweler ; don't expect a golden necklace

You make a good point here. For day to day usage, an apple watch would miss it indeed. Not much in love with Apple Watch either, in fact I generally like garmin watches better for sports, but only like AW for ecosystem integrations and notifications. On activity tracking modes reading are much more closer though, but yeah, not all physical effort are "planned" with tracking turned on prior.

Whoop and galaxy watch 7

Worn in the wrist or bicep, I learned that the Helio strap is so much better than Whoop with its heart rate data. The Helio caught my highest HR peaks during workouts where the Whoop would not (compared to my Polar H10 chest HR strap connected to my Garmin. Also compared to my AW Ultra 2 on my wrist). This was enough for me to cancel my whoop subscription because all of my workout data was missing most of my Zone 4 and Zone 5 data, making the data feeding the Whoop algorithms, and this it’s strain numbers, inaccurate).

Literally all Apple has to do is release a device without a screen. It’s the reason most people want a whoop 

Honestly don’t see the point of these things. After 3 months of the whoop I could really easily predict my numbers. It’s simple. Alcohol bad. Late exercise bad. Late eating bad. More sleep is good. Nothing personal about it  A year later I cancelled it

I use a Whoop with the whoop underwear. It's pricey and I kind of regret getting it but it's been cool tracking my rolls. I don't know what to do with the information though.

U2 or s11 for a returning user? Background, I used to use the s6 before switching to a whoop. I've finally decided to come back to the apple watch. I use it just to track my gym workouts. I'm getting the ultra 2 for 550 euros and the new s11 for 470. Suggestions?

My Whoop was very off as a sleep tracker. I have insomnia and often lie for a very long time not sleeping and my watch always thought I was asleep. So that meant all my data for the next day which was based on how well I slept was completely wrong. Sometimes it would say I slept 7 hours when I know I slept three or four.

I used whoop for a while and it was nice

Coming up on 4 years with whoop, will be canceling and switching to garmin, no tolerance for this

I’ve been a whoop wearer for coming up on 5 years next month. The monthly plan is super annoying, I agree. And they handled the 5.0 release in May in a really sh*tty way which really turned me off from them. My membership is paid through June 2026 so I may reevaluate at that time, but it’s going to be hard to give up whoop because I love having a screenless device, the personalized insights, and the seamless UI. I always bought my membership plans when it was on sale (18 months for $18 month) which is why I’m paid up through June. If you can wait until Black Friday, they’ll probably have a similar offer. That being said, once I got into running and realized I didn’t want to run with my phone with me to listen to music, I also got a Garmin Forerunner 145 music. I don’t really use it for anything but to connect my AirPods and for the suggested daily workouts for the length of my runs. So… I am one of those people that wears two fitness bands like an a**hole. I also gave the Apple Watch Ultra a try about a year and a half ago and hated it so much I returned it. I really wanted to like it because I’m a huge Apple snob and have all of the products, so figured it would be an easy sell for me. But I genuinely did not like it. It was clunky, I could never get Spotify to work properly, and it was just a nuisance to work with. For the price point it should have been a seamless experience. I’ve never had issues with either my whoop or Garmin and in my 10 day trial of the Apple Watch I didn’t have a single day without some issue. Just my two cents!

I use both 🤷‍♀️. When I’m in Ironman training I do Garmin + whoop and when I’m not training, but just workout out - lifting, cycling, casual running etc I do whoop + Apple or just whoop. There is a time and place for each. Apple is great when I’m more casually working out and still want to run without my phone etc and use it for work for notifications so I don’t miss calls from my kids school, Garmin is great for performance metrics - running, swimming, cycling but year around it’s overkill unless you are training for some event, don’t want to constantly see I’m “detraining” or losing fitness, like I can’t be in Ironman shape 24/7. Whoop may be gimmicky, call it what you will, but stress monitor I love and whoop age is motivating for me. Think of these things as tools. If they benefit/fit into your life use them, if not let them go

This is awesome! Thank you. I’m planning on wearing Apple Watch series 10, fenix 8 and Whoop this upcoming weekend during IronMan 70.3 very excited to see the results so I know which ones to keep. I have Oura ring gen 3 but not even planning on wearing it since Apple Watch feeds it all the metrics. I’m hoping this will help me narrow it down to 1 device 😂 + oura for sleep

Whoop and Amazfit Helio.

This is gonna sound like a non-answer answer, but it depends on what you want. I have a WHOOP and a Garmin Fenix 5X, so I’ll compare! WHOOP is significantly better at tracking my HR, sleep, recovery (most of the time, sometimes it tells me it’s low but doesn’t tell me much past that), and calories burned based on HR. They also added steps and a new feature where you can track weight training, but the feature needs work. It’s not very user friendly right now but that specific aspect of WHOOP is fairly new, I’ve had it for about 3 years. Garmin is good for most of that same stuff. It’s great tracking your HR for runs, but if you’re a CrossFit/HIIT/interval trainer, it’s inaccurate because it doesn’t stay against your skin well during all the movement without being too tight. I’ve counted my pulse at 150-160 while my Garmin is reading it at 74, which throws off your strain and actual calories burned. If cost is also a factor, Garmin is better. A one time $200-$400 is a GOOD Garmin, though you can get into the $700-$800 range, and I’ve had my Garmin for 6 years. WHOOP right now is $230 a year as a subscription. If I had to choose one as purely a fitness tracker, I’d choose WHOOP 100/100 times. The insights it gives you - if used correctly - are awesome.

Yeah curious what you went with? I just freakin got this Whoop and chose it over a Garmin but when my subscription runs out I'll get Garmin. I wouldn't mind having the watch face tbh.

This was my understanding when I got a Whoop at the start of the year. I'd heard the rumors of a 5.0 but figured, why wait I'm going to get the free upgrade anyway. Should have known to never trust a company.

Their own videos and blog posts said upgrades were free ffs. There's gotta be a lawyer in the sub that can make a class action false advertising case. Seems pretty open and shut.

Apple blows at this. I feel like my whoop is an accurate assessment but Apple is off by a mile.

I have a whoop and I just wrap my wraps right over it

I’ve worn the Whoop for over 1200 days in a row including every roll I’ve done in that time and not had any issues. It has an arm sleeve and it has worked great.

Apple Watch with Athlytic. Very similar to Whoop. I wear both AW and Whoop together and really like both.

I use both. If you are very serious about fitness I would absolutely not use the AW as your main device. It very frequently fails to pick up data and the apps that are available for the AW are like 1/4 as good as Whoop. It's a great multi purpose device but either get both or get the Whoop in my opinion for health and fitness

I got myself a whoop earlier this year, and compared the two during my workouts (UW1), its actually pretty wild how much apple watch will overstate your calories burned, even after a clean on the sensor, some workouts where the whoop tells me i burned 600 calories, watch tells me i did 900 calories. That is a significant difference, especially when you are trying to plan out nutrition goals/fitness goals. Honestly I don't even wear mine outside of just tracking workouts. Whoop gives me better sleep insights, and overall health insights that the UW simply doesn't provide. Apple Intelligence could change that, but seems like it won't be anytime soon.

I believe whoop does not use the generally accepted BMR formulas, and instead use their own "proprietary" formula to calculate BMR, as the commonly used formulas “grossly overestimate light to moderate exercise”. Obviously nothing will be 100% in calculating calories burned, but i'd rather plan out my meals/goals with the mindset that i am probably not "burning" as much as my AW says, and that isn't a bad approach all things considered if apple watch is actually correct. I mean sometimes when i'm doing a light lift, apple watch will tell me i'm burning 300 - 400 calories, and I'm barley breaking a sweat, but then whoop will say i only burned around 120-150 calories during that session, to me something just seems suspiciously off with how apple calculates BMR. In general if you are looking to lose weight/build fitness, a more conservative approach to what whoop is offering me probably makes more sense.

My wife got burned by her Whoop in a similar fashion last year and they did nothing besides deny, deny, deny then try to cancel her membership. They said things like "their sensor logs indicated there was never any indication there was an issue with the whoop device". Kinda hard to believe when there was a whoop burn imprinted into my wife's wrist that perfectly matches the whoop she was wearing on the same wrist. Then they went no contact.

I use Whoop. Have been for over a year and have had no issues. I wear the arm sleeve during regulars training, sports bra when competing and wrist band day to day. It’s been great for balancing strain/recovery/sleep. I train BJJ 4-5x, lift 4x, run 3x, and try to do recovery activities (walk, yoga, pilates) 3x per week… so having Whoop tell me which days I should go harder or lighter has made such a difference in my training regiment!

HR and Steps are off for me, HR being the big one since that’s the main metric driving other metrics. When I’m sweating and huffing and puffing doing cardio and Whoop says my heart rate is 110bpm, that’s a bit sus. Lots of ppl reporting this too.

But you can sell your AW to offset some of the cost of a newer version. More than you can say for Whoop unfortunately, where not only is the device worthless without a subscription, but you have to pay even more to upgrade.

I’ve loved my Whoop for many years

I’ve used almost all of them at some point. Whoop is by far the best.

I use Whoop, I believe it’s an option to where that places other than wrist.

Yes, there is a lot of it so I do find myself only paying attention to some of it so as to not become overwhelmed. The sleep side of things in particular is enlightening and I’m finding it’s impacting my decision making and causing me to be more intentional with regard to my sleep.

I prefer the whoop because of the way better battery life. Two weeks compared to two days is a huge difference for someone like me who doesn't wanna be charging too frequently because I keep forgetting about it

I used whoop for a few years and it’s fine. You can get bicep bands so they aren’t as visible. They also have some underwear options so it goes under the waistband, and other options that aren’t as visible. It’s the same core you can swap between different bands and formats so you can get wrist straps too and swap it between formats. The best aesthetic for a tracker is invisible so this beats any other options IMO.

I returned my Whoop yesterday. Had it for a month. Back to AWU. I loved the concept of Whoop, but the data is ultra inaccurate. Like really. Not even close. Therefore I had to make a decision... If that will be fixed one day, I'd like to come back to Whoop though.

This is what I do and have been doing with various sports for years. You can broadcast to a Garmin if you have both, just like with any other heart rate monitor, and I've found Whoop most comfortable to sleep with so you get full recovery stats too.

I used to use the Whoop. There is an arm band that I would wear. I lift/run/bjj and do MMA, so essentially, I was never recovered. The issue I had is that there's a subscription fee and I eventually stopped paying it, realizing that I never actually was recovered.

I enjoy the whoop as a low profile, low noise, alternative to my apple watch. But the apple watch was better at tracking my fitness. However I couldn't wear my nice watches with my apple watch and it was noisy. I prefer the whoop.

Honestly, there's a TON of overlap between Whoop and any other tracker you need. It'll have your HR and HRV, recovery scores, and target strain. The ability to broadcast HR to your phone should let you cover runs and bike rides in strava. Look into various Garmin options if you want something that can record multisport events, I think Coros can do those too. But if you just want something for easy workout tracking that records swim laps and ride/run HR + GPS route, a cheap Fitbit would do the trick as well. Personally, I use a Whoop plus a Garmin Fenix. The whoop is overkill, honestly, since Garmin has a "body battery" recovery metric and can tell you how hard to go with the training on any given day. I use the Whoop because I deal with behaviors very similar to exercise bulimia and I need something that literally tells me, "you've worked hard enough today, it is time to stop." If I didn't need that, a Garmin would absolutely be sufficient on its own.

I had an Apple Watch when I got a whoop about 3 weeks ago. I wear my whoop at all times, as the data presentation is better. I also get to wear my regular watches. For running , I lie to wear my Apple Watch as it is better for tracking my pace and displaying my heart rate. I hate looking at my phone for that. As for strength training I am stilll figuring it out, as the Apple Watch is really good for timers (rest time).

I really like my Oura ring. That said, if you can tolerate how ugly the Whoop is, I found the data to be more useful.

Same. Cancelled the whoop and am now doing zero gadgets.

I tried the Whoop, returned it, and bought a Garmin Watch.  No way I was going to pay a subscription for something that won’t even tell me the time.  Hopefully I can keep the watch long enough to be cheaper than the subscription. I use the Sleep Score and HRV almost daily.  I’ve made some life changes that have improved both and made training better.  Ya you could do those improvements without the metrics, but it’s cool to see they worked.  Also HRV def gives me warning signs of fatigue and overtraining.  That impacts how much I focus on recovery.

I went mountainbiking yesterday and at the end of the trail there is a very challenging climb, Whoop said my heartrate was 110-120 while it felt like my heart was beating out of my chest...

Sleep data is great with the right tools - SleepWatch on AppleWatch is fantastic for seeing deviations from the usual baseline. Giving insights and recommendations and ideal bedtimes. It’s great to see how a good a workout improves sleep metrics whilst alcohol absolutely destroys it. Once you see this it’s hard to ignore. All of that said, AppleWatch now has an onboard app called ‘vitals’ which basically does the above and shows things in a nice simple format. I’ve had a Whoop and felt it best for those who train a lot of cardio and utilise the rest/recovery feature.

I was looking forward to this but it says it dosnt have an alarm. One of the things I love about my whoop is having the alarm vibrate to wake me up instead of my phone yelling at me in the morning. Guess I’ll try something different

I’ve had a Venu 3 for about a year. I like it a lot but the sensors are trash, sleep tracking is inaccurate, the connectivity to iPhone is annoying, and the app really sucks. I have also worn a whoop for the last year and much prefer the app, data parsing, and experience. Today I bought an AWU2 and I’m so stoked. It immediately felt better and the connectivity to phone is so much better. Sensors are much better. Continuous HRV tracking through the day. Much more scientifically rigorous sleep metrics.. SO much more functionality it’s night and day. The battery thing will suck. With Bevel app advancements this will easily replace my whoop and garmin tho and simplify my life while allowing me to be farther from my phone which is killer.

Apple Watch all day. Whoop sensors are worse and the company doesn’t care about its customers. Switched to AWU and will never go back. Love the Apple Watch + Bevel combo. Everything you get from Whoop and much more. Bevel is upgrading their app constantly and already better than Whoop who rarely add meaningful improvements unless they are trying to charge you more money. That said, if you don’t want a watch or that much tech on your wrist, and you don’t mind the price, Whoop is solid for what they do. I sound like a hater, but it’s good at basic measurement and feedback of sleep/strain/etc. Bevel just does way more.

I wear a Whoop fitness tracker 24/7. It’s just a fitness tracker and doesn’t have any special Parkinson’s related features. It does track my sleep which I find helpful in getting me to focus on trying to do better. I also use it to track all my fitness activities. I use a couple of apps to track my fitness activities and I have a tracker app on my phone. I think some sort of basic fitness tracker is a must have for anyone with Parkinson’s given how important exercise and movement are to addressing Parkinson’s. There’s an old adage that things that get measured tend to get more attention so if you measure your fitness activities, you’re more likely to do more with more focus. If you get an Apple Watch, you get fitness tracking plus the added benefit of having some apps which are a little more focused specifically on Parkinson’s.

I hope you like your Garmin, I felt like the heart rate monitor was absolutely terrible on x2 tactical, no where near any of my Apple Watch’s or whoops. I’m excited To have ecg on a whoop.

I had a normal Apple Watch with Athlytics ~2 years ago to see if I was done w/ Whoop and it just did not cut the mustard. I actually really like Whoop and I’m gonna stick with it because it just works. It’s less finicky, unobtrusive, and it just does almost everything without my input. I don’t need to do any breathing exercises in order to clock my data for a proper score, battery lasts 5 days, etc. That might not be the case anymore, but, I just want my fitness tracker to do one thing. Like many, I didn’t buy the WHOOP for the subscription model and free device. I bought it to keep it simple while getting insights. Maybe I should be upset that I had to pay $75 for their top o’ da line device, but I also kinda don’t give a shit because it fits so seamlessly into my life in a way that nothing else really has. Glad you’re enjoying the ultra.

Hahah, I get asked alot about wearing two watches together. I love my analogue watches so whoop allows me to wear it.

Not really, Apple does a great job when it comes to sleep tracking but whoop in general has given me accurate data compared to apple. I tried both once together and whoop gave me accurate timing of my wake event.

I guess the tracking capabilities of whoop is better. My Apple watch used to show a-lot more calorie burn when I used to finish my workout, whoop is pretty accurate when it comes to that because you have to wear it 24x7, even when it’s charging you can wear it.

Yes it’s the same thing. In India it’s 30k per year. I got it from USA for 32k for two years.

I know, bro, but I use the watch, and I have experienced it. Prior to using this watch, I did not experience frequent headaches as I did not have data with me. I used to ignore it, but I know that I have all the data in the world, and my body works according to data.

Like you i have the F8 and Whoop. F8 is great for specific activities with granular detail when you record it. Whoop measures Strain all day long without you having to manually record it everything. E.g. a strenuous gardening activity, walking the dog all gets recorded (you have to assign these if it is not auto assigned by Whoop) without me having to consciously press record. F8 can't do that. So in every single day, Whoop records your daily wellness and activity levels. Far more useful information than metrics for a specific activity (F8 is great for training metrics so it has its place). I should add that assigning strain to a specific activity ain't important to me either. A day score is enough to tell me how active i have been. That and sleep data - much easier to understand. The HRV readings are not far off from each other (F8 vs Whoop). Will probably renew.

This is Reddit - it's full of rage echo chambers and stages for narcissistic collapses. It's the place you go when you want someone to witness (and validate) your latest tantrum. It's also very entertaining for the rest of us. Whoop is great imo, one of the best of the bunch. Will be renewing my subscription for a third year soon.

Do you wear the swim cover for your band? Even when I make mine as tight as possible it’s still super inaccurate when tracking my swims

I found with the whoop it massively reinforced what I already knew and because there was actual data around it made me make changes to my lifestyle which I would otherwise have just rationalized away. Top examples were alcohol or a really salty takeaway/meal late at night, both had horrendous impacts on my sleep, heart rate and HRV, so much so that I had to make the conscious decision to want to impact my body like that rather than just pretend it's not happening. For you to get everything out of it you need to use the journal religiously.

I have defended Whoop a million times to people who have queried the billing structure. I just have no leg to stand on now. The technology is excellent and I really want it. But there is no way I'll be paying the upgrade fee. I'll be awaiting the next Apple Watch to see if it has what I'm after. Very disappointed. 3 years of excellent service (in my opinion) only to be utterly money grubbed.

I switched from a whoop to a Garmin with a chest strap and love it

I like my Garmin Fenix. Someone here pointed out that grips stop the workout and that’s true. Straps and grips and a certain angle can hit that button and it sucks. Other than that it does its job really really well. I hate whoop though. It being maybe 3% more accurate with some metrics isn’t enough for me to have to wear the whoop and watch (smart or otherwise). Couple that with the subscription cost. It’s just not worth it for your everyday/local comp person. They’re all trash if you have tattoos on your wrist though. The internal HR monitor struggles there. I use a chest strap or just rotate the watch to the inner part of my wrist.

What actually still intrigues me about the Loop is that I have greater trust in Polar’s capability of providing useful, accurate insights with their algorithms. For example regarding sleep, workouts, HRV etc. Especially compared to Amazfit, which I have a hard time feeling the same trust for. And for that I’d be willing to miss some other bells and whistles. I want research backed insights, not an extra few % better HR accuracy. If I am ignorant for thinking Polar provides that, I don’t know. Needless to say, their app needs a heavy redesign. And it’s too bad that they didn’t up their game on battery life, ANT+/extra BT connection, Elixir sensor etc. But those things might not be dealbreakers for me. And with the app update being in the pipeline I am a little less put off. The biggest downside to me, from what I’ve heard, is that the auto detection for activities seems quite bad and that you can’t retroactively assign activities. Especially if it’s the case that the HR data then isn’t contributing to your “activity/strain” data for the day… With the Loop being cheaper than one year of Whoop subscription, and arguably more trustable than Amazfits interpretation of the data, it’s still an option to me. I am currently on a Whoop trial though and I reallyyy like it so far, but I do think it’s a little too expensive, especially since I don’t like how they interpret HRV (acute, high changes are always better - not true). If they would’ve interpreted it like HRV4Training or Morpheus do, I could potentially go for it. And I might anyway since everything else is really quite good…

Apple Watch is better than Whoop and always has been in my opinion. The benefit of Whoop for me was being screenless and allowing me to wear dress watches without losing health tracking. If you aren’t into that, Apple is a no brainer in my opinion.

As a 24/7 device I think it’s the best on the market right now. I really like their clothes too. The only downer is the cost but the app is worth it for me in the end. I see it as health spending not a watch or gadget.

Haha I had to pay £80 for a replacement as I lost my whoop last week. No mention to me of the new versions. What a scam.

Not exactly answering your question but if fitness tracking is your main thing I use whoop. It’s screen less and pretty discrete looking. I wear this on my right wrist and an analog watch on my left. You can also wear it on your upper arm under your shirt to be completely hidden.

That doesn’t help you when doing anything other than movement with the arm you are wearing the whoop on. I’ve found it to be unreliable.

I use a Whoop because I was taking my Apple Watch off due to it interfering with wrist wraps, grips, front rack position, and kettlebell work. The Whoop is low profile and it can take a beating. It slides up my wrist easily and is out of the way when I have my wraps and grips on.

Had a not of AWs. Both Ultra and also have the AW10 titanium. Only wear my Tudor and Whoop on the other hand. Love it. Waiting on the new Polar. No subscription and enabled import into Apple Health.

For those of you considering an Apple Watch - no matter the flavor, you will be disappointed. It offers nowhere near the granularity of WHOOP. It is very generalized data that they do not display in meaningful ways. I am brand new to WHOOP. I absolutely love it. I have been an Apple Watch guy since they released. I tried every app out there, nothing provides the level of detail and actually pretty freaking good AI recommendations and break downs of my metrics. I’m just sorry I didn’t jump on WHOOP earlier. My son had one and I thought he was being a dork to wear something on his wrist that didn’t even tell time! I was the dork. WHOOP Sleep does a much better job of breaking down the quality of your sleep than Apple. Recovery - yeah, Apple doesn’t do that. Strain, nope - not going to find that with a watch. My hope and prayer is that Apple doesn’t buy WHOOP!

That’s a tough one. I’m a big fan of whoop for me personally because it motivates me to work out and meet my goals, something I struggle with. You appear to not have that issue at all. The key is whether you’re going to use it and actually take any action on things it tells you. If it tells you you need to go to bed at a more consistent time are you going to make that change? If not then the whoop isn’t going to be very helpful. In any case you can try it for a month and return it if you don’t like it.

I loved my Whoop. My general read on a lot of the complaints is that they wanted it to be something different than it was. I've got an Apple Watch now, but there are times and situations where I miss my Whoop.

I don’t recommend anything tbh. I used a whoop for a bit, but I don’t get the point. You can train on days when you don’t feel 100% and you can rest on days when you do feel 100%. Plus, exercise is a pretty poor mechanism for weight loss, so the calories burned doesn’t really make a difference as my TDEE is my TDEE regardless. So I ended up ditching mine. TL;DR: whoop turned around was fine sorry for the rant

I would agree with you on that. I had Garmin fenixes for years, Garmin Epix pro, Apple Watch Ultra, amazfit trex 3 (current watch) and just got a whoop. Imo for weightlifting nothing beats the Apple Watch (ultra or not doesn’t matter) due to all the different apps available. I was using Hevy and the ability to do a live workout between the watch and the phone at the same time was dope: want to change exercice or do more complex changes during your sessions, you simply edit the workout on the phone. But if you want to do just a 5lbs increment on your lift, you can do it from the watch directly live. Only thing I am eager to test with whoop, which is a important part my decision to do the free trial for a month, is to see muscle strain and how it work in tandem with the cardio based strain. Whoop is the only wearable to do that ( but it seems you can do it with Bevel now)

Haha fair :D You know what they say: fake it until you make it lol Tbf, I need more time with the Whoop, but I did one weightlifting session, and I liked how it calculated muscular strain but I found the strength trainer not as good as say Hevy for managing your workouts. I think it will be manageable as I get use to it.

If you move all day, whoop will track it. Whether or not you are doing an activity whoop will count any increase in heart rate towards your "strain", and will give you sleep recommendations and adjust recovery based on that. The automatic activity tracking and auto sleep tracking are great. It's the most hands off device out there. Garmin only adds load when you are tracking an activity, so it can miss a lot if it's not a planned workout. But when you do track activities, it gives you much more information. Whoop is not a good activity tracker. It's a health tracker. You can really only see your heart rate zones for the activity. You can't see progression over time or compare it to previous workouts. For that you need garmin or Strava or something else. From what I can tell, Garmin is amazing at activities and good enough with health, while whoop does great with health but is poor for activities. Not sure if this helps, but it seems like there is no perfect option - Im going to have to make this same decision once my subscription is up.

Replacing Whoop as soon as my subscription is done.

Is it really rage quitting if you still had an active subscription? You didn't come back, you never left. Whoop pissed me off a bunch, but you better believe I wore it until the very last day I had paid for. Also, the NEED for the whoop is weird to me. I've got a loop and a panther on the way, but if one of those doesn't do it for me, this whoop-free month has shown me that I can continue to improve my health without it.

Garmin watch and now Whoop and never had an issue besides occasionally touching the hot metal on the watch.

I had a AW3, 6 and 10 so pretty much wore one every day for eight years before switching to whoop about a month ago. I knew about whoop for a while but always thought "yeaa but my apple watch can (sort of) do all of that too". But there's two ways the Whoop has really convinced me: 1. the way it lays out the data. It doesn't just give you some magic "exercise" number, it tells you strain, what got you how much strain and how much you should push yourself at a given day. 2. As you're saying, screens and distractions are all around us anyway. Do we really need one on our wrist too? It feels really freeing to not wear my Apple Watch anymore and honestly, I really don't want to put it on anymore after having it off for a while. TLDR; Amazing decision to ditch the Apple Watch (even though i only got it last year...) for the Whoop.

Founding member here. Never "cancelled" a subscription faster than when I received that email 2 years ago. Been following the noise of this new announcement for the laugh and I'm not surprised even a little bit. Whoop(s) has turned into a marketing company. Paying top athletes to represent them and they have to afford it somehow! Apple-like announcement in every way. Recycled tech, software update, ope and you have to pay top dollar for it. FYI been an apple watch ultra user since I cancelled. Charge it for 15 mins every morning when I make breakfast. No regrets.

I used AWU until I got Whoop. I wore both for a week and now only wear Whoop. I like not having notifications and feeling like I always have to instantly reply to a text. There’s very few places that I can’t glance at a clock to get the time so I haven’t missed my watch at all.

I was a Fenix 5 guy for 5 years, I was a whoop guy for 3 years, and now I’m a Fenix 8 guy for the next 5 years. :)

Just got the whoop. Will not track your weightlifting accurately at all and maybe better with no bicep band. Hrv, hr, sleep all excellent and regarded as very accurate along with strain. I don’t need or want the apply watch stuff. But both are good. If you are more a recreational athlete maybe whoop.

Been wearing a whoop on my right wrist for years

I have a Whoop and Oura, and neither of those seem ideal for your use case. They don't provide continuous SpO2 readings, just a single daily value for SpO2 (I believe this is averaged overnight but not 100% sure). I take multiple times daily SpO2 readings with a finger pulse oximiter and they don't correlate super great with the wearable readings; the Whoop seems to underreport much more than the Oura. Here's a plot of the last 4 months to compare, with the average of my finger readings during the day in green: [https://imgur.com/a/dOAgBcm](https://imgur.com/a/dOAgBcm)

I used to absolutely love the Whoop. But there does come a point after a few months when it’s like “meh, now what?” Once you establish your body’s routine, rhythm, what helps and doesn’t, sleep pattern etc — the actual device becomes redundant.

I typically use my whoop daily and it’s pretty good as an all arounder for different activities. I basically never take it off. Plus side is battery lasts forever + no screen to ding up. If I’m doing something like hiking or running where I want GPS I’ll use Garmin fenix solar 7 (double watch!!)

Sounds like you want a Whoop. Whoop is great, particularly at recovery, but I ultimately chose to dump it in favor of Garmin because I hate subscriptions.

Apple Watch for working out & mechanical + Whoop rest of the time.

I also have a whoop! I like it as an option for climbing because the way it's designed, the fabric of the strap folds over the actual sensor when you wear it, so even if you bash it against the wall you're much less likely to damage it (vs the horrible cracked/scratched screens I've seen on people who climb with apple watches and similar).

I was with whoop for 4 years. Left last year cause I just couldn’t justify the cost since I haven’t been active enough to need more than my Garmin when I do an activity, plus some bad relationships with sleep metrics. That being said, I’ve thought about coming back and Oura seems the way to go depending. I think Oura/Whoop is comparable to the Apple/Garmin situation. Apple is a great smart watch that’s good at fitness. Garmin is a great fitness watch that’s good at smart watch stuff. Whoop is a great tool for heavy athletes, and Oura is a great tool for people who may not be as serious about it.  For me personally, I couldn’t care less about strain atm. I just want to find a way to maximize my Deep and REM sleep on as few hours as possible, and buying a second hand Oura 3 for $100 seems like a better route than Whoop again 

Love this! Curious to know: did you wear a hydro sleeve over your Whoop during the swim? I noticed it gives me way more reliable readings when swimming as it keeps to Whoop better glued to my skin

I used to train with an Apple Watch but the constant charging and short battery life drove me crazy — I had it die on me more than once during long runs and brick sessions, which is super frustrating. Switched over to the Garmin Forerunner 965 and it’s night and day. Battery lasts over a week even with GPS workouts, the tracking is way more detailed, and it feels built for hybrid athletes instead of just being a smartwatch with fitness features tacked on. If you’re planning longer sessions or races, Garmin is the safer bet. Apple has better UI/UX thought, I will say. I also have a Whoop which is great, but it's not helpful for tracking since there's no screen

In the same boat. I’ve had my whoop for about 6 years and love it, but it is absolutely useless for running lol. Best solution would be getting a garmin you only wear when running

I personally love it and have been using it for 4 years. It’s helped my training, sleep and diet a great deal, and it has all the metrics I want. I know it gets a lot of shit from some folks, but I dig it.

I’ve had a Garmin for 4 years and a whoop for the last 8 months. Recently stopped wearing the whoop because I found the Garmin just as good and more convenient so I was never checking my whoop data once the novelty wore off

I would say Whoop plus a normal watch. Whoop does not even have a screen so it should satisfy the protocol. Alternatively you could get a fitness ring if you do not want to wear two things on your wrist. As far as I know, all Garmin models come with smart watch functions (ie they have a built-in notification capability). I also found this: https://nowatch.com It looks like an analogue watch but appears to offer health functions, yet no notifications etc.

Whoop is nice but it doesn’t really do anything that other wearables don’t and it costs a shit ton whereas most wearables are a 1 time payment. Glad I’ve been out of whoop for over 2 years now

Whoop step counter is a joke. It reliably thinks I'm walking twice as much as every other fitness tracker I've ever had. It is a good sleep tracker though.

I was thinking of whoop the whole way through that episode! Even before this

I posted a few days ago where they told me they wouldnt replace my faulty band and to just buy a new one. Next day - announcement

I'm in too - and half the features wont even work in aus yet. Not liking seeing previous lies, will argue my case if they end up offering something. But - for now I'm going to enjoy the new whoop when it comes in. Partners getting a new apple watch - I'll borrow his old one. We'll have a 2 month period where we can compare the sleep reporting. I am excited for the blood pressure readings - the rest i just normally pinch his watch for

Yea - I decided to jump in now rather than wait, backing that this will come through shortly like it did for competitors. I didn't want to wait and then be even further away from getting black friday discounts as I'll extend then, assuming I'm still happy. It puts my ending date 17 months away if I choose to part ways - Honestly it doen't seem like a huge update, but I'm in it for the no screen and bicep band. In 17 months (or by black friday) I'll recess what the competitors are doing. I don't like seeing this kind of thing removed - Although I'm 7 days away from the 6 month mark so it would be at that super irritating point to miss out Still deciding what I think of all this. I LOVE the bloodwork idea - But that's a long way away for Aus and I'm betting way too expensive. I did copy paste the tests though and will be getting atleast the medicare supported ones done (I was already in the process of major blooodwork, this just picked up a few that werent on my radar)

Only complaint I have about wearing a watch with crossfit is that it often interferes with my workouts. For example, front rack kettlebell. I ended up switching to a whoop which has worked very well considering all of the options for its placement.

Ik this is 4 months old. Oura and whoop both detect alcohol easily. When i used whoop everytime i drank my recovery was in the red. Even if just 2 Miller lite. It's literally a poison it's horrible for you.

I just did the same thing a month ago. Only use the ultra for workouts and in case I need to make sure the kids can message me. Nice evolution. Now I just need whoop to be as generous on calorie burn calculations as Apple is

I have worn a whoop and a rolex with no problem. If you’re that worried about it strap the whoop to your upper arm.