Zowie (BenQ) - EC2 Series

Zowie ec2-c is perfect for me. No software. Perfect shape similar to Microsoft intellimouse from the 90s.

New ec1 and ec2 dw are great

Zowie EC2-CW fvck optical switches, I won't pay for inferrior feels.

I like zowies mice. They recently released wireless ones and I've enjoyed my ec2-cw

I actually have one of those just sitting in the drawer. Didn't like the shape or how damn heavy it is lol I don't mind the weight of my Ec2-b or my Fk1+ which is 90gband 93g I think, but the m65 pro is like 115G I think with the weights and it has that heavy metal body. I'll probably end up giving it away or something Also have the G pro x superlight which is only like 60G. It's a good mouse, probably better for people with smaller or medium small hands The Zowie wired mice are great. Haven't tried the wireless though.. those are a bit expensive

ec2-a of course

Ec1 is larger and forces a palm grip even with pretty large hands. Most people will be much better off with the ec2 and if you use relaxed claw it's much better for micro adjustments while still offering a tonne of stability. I use an ec2 with 20x11cm hands and a relaxed claw

Nice mine are basically 20x10cm. Ec2 is all I use these days. Might grab a DAv3 wired to test though

EC2. As someone that loved the 3.0 back in the day, I medium size version is perfection even for my large hands 

I would buy from Zowie, something like EC2-CW. Why? It has NO bloatware crap, like razer or logitech.

EC2. I’ve tried a ton of ambi lightweight mice but I aim best with an ec2

Zowie mice are super well made and long lasting and they have buttons underneath to change DPI and polling, no software. The wireless mice aren't cheap though, you'll need to look at a wired version.

I havent been edge panning for years... Pretty much every camera movement with mouse3. Got zowie ec2-a, its old and going strong

Like I mentioned in other comment I am using zowie ec2-a and never edge pan in dota. Its old mouse and still working very well. Hehe yes understandable. I really like the location of mousewheel for camerause

if you're not afraid to go used, there are some great older wired mice like zowie b/c series, xm1's, vaxee etc.. floating around on mousemarket or ebay with probably better tech than those listed. it might take some more time but I'm sure people still have some wired mice kicking around in storage somewhere. edit: issue is mostly US only :(

Order of importance for peripheral quality is as follows: Mouse< Mousepad< Headphones< Monitor< Table< Keyboard< Chair< So the answer to your question is yes, it's not just important to have a good mouse, it's the most important thing your of setup if you're trying to improve at CS. If you want a good cheap recommendation, you should try the Coolermaster MM720, which is ugly as fuck but really nice comfort-wise, or the Logitech G305 for a really good wireless option. The G305's shape is like a more comfortable office mouse, so if this is your first time trying to get into gaming mice I absolutely love the G305. For more the best options, there's really only 2 logical picks for mice and that's the Logitech Superlight and Zowie EC2 Wireless. They're both genuinely worth it and at the highest level are the most used mice for their great build quality and comfortable shapes. Hope this helps you make your mind up :)

Wireless has been perfect for years. Any gaming mouse made in the last 5 years Will have perfect wireless implementation (aside from Bluetooth), regardless of the price you pay. For similar ergo mice I recommend looking at the deathadder v3 pro, the ec2-dw, or something like the Vaxee AX

Used Zowie EC2 iirc, great mouse very durable. Used Steelseries something, it sucked in terms of durability and quality, wheel became loose rather quickly. Used Logitech G300 or whatever that wireless basic model is, decent mouse. Using G502 wireless now, good mouse. To be honest mouse is not very much important so long as it works decent enough. Not a big fan of many buttons or lighting or macros etc, 2 extra side buttons is enough and a life changer for casual internet browsing imo. I prefer my mouse a bit on the bigger side and don't like superlight mice so G502 is good on that regard.

Honestly, not everyone playing at an above average tier or even pro level will have benefits from low weight. Its really a matter of aim styles, grips, body and arm position, etc. I can only find my ideal sens for both flicks and tracking with a bit more weight, without it, one is always a bit off. You just gotta look around, many pros in many games still use mice like the ec2 or even the deathadder. Low weight is not better, its just more suited to the majority (i agree with that). And Im all about diminishing returns , its super fun to maximize potential! But in my case and many others in my gaming circles a bit of weight can give better results no matter if you play slow, super fast, etc. It's really personal "preference". I wish these things were predictable, my wallet would be happier !

It’s not that weird. That’s a pincer claw grip with a strange thumb position. I do the same, but with the thumb below the buttons. Zowie EC2, Lamzu thorn, G Pro superlight, Asus Harpe Ace work for me. Might work for you too. Zowie ZA-13, Vaxee Outset AX or NP01-S get recommended for this kind of grip a lot, though I haven’t tried them.

Pulsar Xlite v3 is far and away my favorite at the moment. Have used DAV3, Ec2, gpro DEX, Vaxee outset. It’s essentially an Ec2 clone

Medium and I got the cheaper, non-es one on Amazon for 70 bucks. It’s nearly identical to the Ec2 shape

I have the superlight myself and I love it, however I can disagree about the Zowie statement as I've been using an EC2-B ever since 2019 (shared between me and my brother) without any issues at all.

I recommend the zowie ec2-c

Zowie c series or endgame gear for a quality and durable mouse

Since you don't have a preference get a zowie mouse c version for wired cw or the dw version, zowie mice have good durability. Or check out the op18k and XM2 8k

Since you don't have a preference get a zowie mouse c version for wired cw or the dw version, zowie mice have good durability. Or check out the op18k and XM2 8k

Buy zowie c series mouse or the endgame gear xm2 8k

wired - op18k or xm2 8k, dav3 wired Wireless - zowie mice (dw, ec-cw, u2) vaxee, gpx2, viper V3 pro

V3 or the v3 hyperspeed maybe you can try the vaxee E1 or the goat ec2-cw

Get the ec2-cw it doesn't have an optical switch but it's a high quality mouse.

I have a BenQ Zowie wired mouse, and it’s amazing. No frills, high quality.

Reading your comment gave me a brain aneurysm. I’m betting you did not do well in grammar in school 😂. To answer your word vomit, don’t get the dex if you hate the superlight shape. Your hand is too small. Try the ec2-cw or the new vaxee e1.

Something ergo from zowie/ deathadder V3 pro / deathadder V3 hyperspeed / Vaxee

I had xmr1 zowie ec2a and ec2b. Vaxee outset . And now the Logitech superlight x. For me this us the best one

I have a few. For ambi, it's Viper v3 and XM2w. For ergo it's EC2 and G502.

I love the ergo feels coming way back from the og EC2. But for the love of god i cant aim with Ego mice. If i do wider swings i Never end up horizontally and i have to correct that during the swing.

I bought a g502 and a zowie EC2A on the same month, I was surprised the EC2A was the first to start double clicking.

Zowie EC2 but will switch probably to a Razor Viper V3 because I want wireless haha

not sure what you mean by 3 mode. but ergo mice like the EC series by zowie, death adder series, FK2-DW(ambi), Maya X(ambi), GPX Dex, but it entirely depends on your hand size and preferences

for me its either S2/EC2. used bunch of mouse shape before but always keep getting back to S2/EC2 as both of them suits my hand really well and most comfortable :)

My Mount Rushmore of mice: Xtrfy M4/M64 (my goat), Zowie EC2 (my safe place), G pro x superlight (my basic b), Roccat Burst Pro (my first love).

Feinmann will probably be too small, I would try the EC2 or E1, or if you want magnesium the stormbreaker

there's a lot more factors into it if you're just looking at the peripherals. These could include mousepad, mouse weight, size, grip etc. Personally I've used a lot of mice playing tac fps. These includes a Logitech G402, EC2, 2 crappy GPWs, RVU, a very bad copy of the GPX, DAV3P, and now I'm on my Lamzu Maya X and EGG XM2W 4K Looking back I think I made the most progress with my game with the RVU, then again I also upgraded to a Hien mousepad from a very old QcK. You could also say that my own personal growth as a player could've contributed to it as well. Although looking at it objectively it's actually quite funny since I felt that playing the AWP/OP I was more consistent when using an ergo mouse and when rifling I feel more consistent with an ambi mouse. I think even today when I'm playing Rivals, l4d2, BF, or Squad with the boys I still feel the same way.

non pro viper wireless, razer deathadder, i'd argue g305 lightspeed, xtrfy m42, wired zowie, superlight 1, glorious wired, some lgg mice, some vaxee mice, endgame gear op1k. All these are like 25-80€ if my quick currency version is right. Some of these are wireless too. Especially if you snipe a sale you can get a really good deal. in "top tier mice" I mean the ones that are basically the same shape as the "standards", superlight 2, viper v3 pro, deathadder v3 pro, etc. Obviously the tech is a bit worse, but we were hitting insane shots on mice 15+ years ago, even the worse mice are 100% good enough. 4k/8k polling doesnt change that much, and thats the major sell of the more expensive mice. I've managed to pick up qck+ for like 10€ on average the last few years, always on sale somewhere. Otherwise a sale on a lgg saturn (standard), zowie gsr (any version you prefer). Qck might not be the longest lasting, but it's usually on a good sale so you never really have to fork out more than AT MOST 40€ a year on it if you're really picky with pad and swap it 4x a year, but most ppl usually keep it for 6-24 months atleast.

I think it's alarming that you never tried the good old ec2. I've tried multiple different newer mice with good internals and different shapes(the last one was op18k), but I always go back to my trusty ec2a from 2017. So comfortable and I'm aiming great in cs2

I think it's alarming that you never tried the good old ec2. I've tried multiple different newer mice with good internals and different shapes(the last one was op18k), but I always go back to my trusty ec2a from 2017. So comfortable and I'm aiming great in cs2

I have a superlight and it is perfect. From personal experience I don‘t recommend the zowie ec‘s. I had 2 and they both randomly broke on me after 6 months or so.

I had 2 ec2-b‘s that broke on me. One‘s mousewheel broke and the other one had a fucked up sensor. (random spinning in game, which also happened to other people e.g. ropz, when he used an ec2b)

I'm perfectly happy with zowie mice which aren't listed on here. The shape on my ec2 is perfect for me and the sensor is great. 

They're reliable and my only gripe is they don't make an ultra light model. 

I've had my best aim era with g203 never felt that feeling again. +23 mice on my own. Ec2 feels like a glove coming fron g203. Superlighit feels comfy but the clicks arent crazy. Good luck.

I disagree, have my zowie ec2a for 6 years now and still going strong