Therm-a-Rest - NeoAir XTherm NXT MAX Sleeping Pad

Personally (I’m in my 40s and a side sleeper) an Xtherm or Xlite is one of my favorite purchases. But everyone has different needs. I’m a fan of not buying new things until you actually need them. Or you are sure that your goals will outgrow your gear. A cheap inflatable is definitely not worth it.

If you have something you’re happy with, decline to participate in outdoor culture’s fascination with over consumption. That said, getting an expensive XTherm pad completely changed the range of temps I’m stoked to be out in.

It depends on your conditions. I have a full length Xtherm for 40f nights but the half sized Xlite (now discontinued?) for 60f nights. It’s great, good weight savings. Sometimes put my backpack under my feet, but generally I’m not that fussy.

How are you defining "often"? Mine got a (very slow) puncture once in the 10 weeks I was on the trail for and I got a replacement sent to the next town without issue. I can't say it took a lot of babying either - it took a few seconds to move sharp stones etc out from under the tent each night (and I didn't have anything underneath it to protect it).  If you're happy to lie on foam then I'm certainly not criticising it, but training your body to get "used to it" seems pretty unnecessary. I'm significantly more comfortable on a good inflatable mattress than foam. 

Well that's a ridiculous calculation as one single event (for a pad that had already been well used beforehand) can't possibly be extrapolated like that. You've ignored the question - what is your definition of "often"? I know I certainly didn't meet a single person who mentioned they had often had issues with their pad, or that they regret having it.  As you say, HYOH. If you find spending a couple of minutes rolling up a pad particularly arduous I'm not going to argue - I was disputing your claim that there are so many issues with them that even people who prefer them should train their body to like sleeping on foam.  Obviously the tent floor is below the pad - I was talking about having an additional mat/sheet underneath it for protection. Which I'm sure you fully understood given you're one of the people suggesting it! 

Well you have to get the size that fits you. I personally think the baffles that are lengthwise on as comfortable as the baffles there parallel to the width. I use an xtherm year-round because I just want one pad. But the yellow then the rest that everyone uses seems to work for most people. This year they made them so they aren't loud. I actually just switched to a rectangular pad and got the newest xtherm and it's amazing.

The longer I'm in the thru hiking / backpacking world, the more I prioritize comfortable sleep. PCT I used the short, regular Xlite. CDT I used the medium, wide Xtherm. Now I'm tempted to try the NeoLoft. Just need to make the trip to REI to see if I prefer the 22" or 25" width option. 5'12" btw

Wide Xtherm is a great, one pad quiver. Works in 99% of conditions, as long as you don't mind the weight / bulk (compared to a torso length 1/8 in foam pad)

I have the neo NeoAir XTherm max. It's by far the best pad I've used in the past 20 years as a side-sleeper. Both the mummy and max are the same thickness, it just depends if you want the extra space to spread out. I also have a NeoAir XLite NXT RW, which could be suitable for colder temperatures if you layer it with a foam pad.

Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Xtherm NXT MAX in size L https://preview.redd.it/adrxi4ds933f1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a380cabe37f19451709b6d8c96159f859ecbdf4

Holy shit!

It's 250€ in Europe

Have you tried a 25 inch wide pad? If you're looking for shoulder season, consider a wide nxt xtherm. I think it's 19 oz, which is reasonable for a 4 season pad.

What is your start date? I used a Thermarest xtherm and was warm and comfy. YMMV.

Therm a rest neo air xtherm long/wide works great for me.

An xtherm, regular (rectangular) sized if you like the extra room to spread out. I've been using mine going on 5 years, for everything from vanlife road trips to multi month thru hikes to hitchhiking trips intentionally. It's tough, lightweight, can handle all seasons (winter too!), and did I mention tough? And once the patches I used weren't enough for the holes I put in it after a bunch of camping on bedrock and concrete, they did a full warranty replacement under their lifetime guarantee. And then I took a bunch of seamgrip to my worn out one, patched it again with a heavier fabric, and I expect I'll get a few more years out of it. Oh! And it's thick and comfy. Great for side sleeping, that's why I got it originally.

same. AT - used regular Xlite Now - going to buy wide Xtherm

For what it is (peace of mind, comfort, durability) the weight to me is easily worth it. Just over a pound is really not that much. Bulk is not a factor to me, as I usually pack pads flat to lay against my back

Side sleeper, 6ft 85kg. I found the regular wide (6ft long, 25” wide) mummy pad too small. Also my feet kept going to either side and pushing the ground while I slept so I’d move up and down the pad as well as side to side. I’m changing to a long wide xtherm max cos I don’t want to keep touching the floor, especially if it’s sub zero

If you're near Calgary I have an Xtherm I'm wanting to sell

It's the neoair Xtherm max, it's the 25" rectangular one

I used two inflatable sleeping pads during my 2024 NOBO AT thru. My Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XTherm NXT MAX during colder weather and the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Venture for warmer months. I never used a pad underneath, but if I was not laying on the pad inside my tent or shelter I would put my Tyvek tent footprint underneath for protection. The shelters always seemed pretty smooth, but I would always check the area before putting my pad down. I only slept in shelters for no more than 10 nights. Was mostly in my tent. My venture ended up getting a small leak which was small enough I was able to use until I got my xtherm sent back to me in Vermont. The leak seemed to be in the valve. Haven’t really tried to fix it yet, but seems like it could be a tough fix. My xtherm was a beast and is still working very well today. Overall I would say no extra pad is needed, but would recommend a tent footprint if laying the pad somewhere on the ground or other place that may be risky. Also, would bring something to patch up a hole. If you’re in a tent or shelter the inflatables hold up well from my experience. Best of luck!!

It depends on specifics. Three season is easy, winter season is another 60 degrees difference. Alaska winter gets to -30, Phoenix winter stay in the 20's (but hits +120 in summer). Two quilts, usually works (20/30+40/50). The tensor or xlite is probably good enough, the xtherm sucks in hot summer. I got an xtherm reg.wide max and used it 5 times, thinking the same thing as you, and swapped out. If you wanna buy it though, it's like new and I'd sell it for $160 shipped.

Ha, same. Started with the 'ol cheapo Klymit Static V, moved to the small mummy Therm-a-Rest XLite NeoAir for a couple years, then figured I'd get a wide to see if that helped with side sleep comfort so my butt and knees weren't off the edges (& went extra warm because may as well eliminate redundancies) with the Therm-a-Rest XTherm in reg wide. No dice. Tried a friend's Nemo Tensor, and wasn't for me. Tried the large women's Sea to Summit Comfort Light Insulated air - dimples felt odd and was too thin; no better than my old mummy xlite for overall comfort even with the wider shape. Running out of budget to throw in for the S2S Ether Light XT test and given my experience with the Comfort Light, wasn't convinced it was the move. Still haven't tried vertical baffles like the Expeds, and maybe that'd do fine, but instead just went all in on the reg wide chonky Neoloft... and good god. With that soft knit stretch top, slept a like the coziest dreamy log for 8.5 hours first time I took it out (and then 6 the next, but only thanks to a disruptive woodpecker. Nature!) I hesitate to mention/recommend it here as it kinda undermines the whole forum topic (ultralight) with its extremely-not-ultralight weight. But packs just as small as my reg-wide XTherm and as a bike camper, pack size matters more than strictly weight so I'm sticking with it.

Late last summer I bought a Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XTherm NXT MAX Sleeping Pad for shoulder hikes in the same areas as you’re planning. Very happy and warm on a late Sept hike into Assiniboine last year with sub-zero C temps overnight, snow etc. A little heavy for UL purists maybe, but worth it for the comfort and warmth in my opinion. Also outside your budget slightly, but it might allow you to continue with your current bag for much of the season if you otherwise find it not quite warm enough with a colder sleeping pad.

I've used a Thermarest NeoAir XTherm sleeping pad, wide version, for a few years. No puncture issues, I think it had an R value of 5.7 at the time, now i see current models are 7.3. Weight is around 1 lb, and packs easily and compactly on the bike. The ground gets cold at high elevations, even down in the desert, don't skimp with this layer. I'm using an Enlightened Equipment 10 degree down quilt. My main tent is the BA Copper Spur 2-person tent, around 2.5 lbs. I leave the stuff sack at home, just stuff the tent and fly at the bottom of a pannier. Poles get stashed on top of my rack or in my harness at the handlebars. These are the normal poles, not the bikepacking version. I also have a first gen. Durston Xmid 1-person, but have yet to try it. I also bought his carbon fiber tent pole because who takes trekking poles bikepacking? None of these were purchased at full-price, thankfully.

Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XTherm MAX, which is perfect for cold weather, has an R-value of 6.9 and provides excellent warmth.

Xtherm and lifetime warranty hard to beat

I all ready got Thermarest Xtherme NXT and Exped MegaMat Lite 12 but want also a self inflating one.

I have the Draco -9 bag. It's nice, packs down well, and is impressively warm. I have no problem taking it out during shoulder season (April/October), though it's worth noting I'm a warm sleeper. As far as price goes, have a look at The Last Hunt (gear liquidator from Montreal). Last time I checked they had a bunch of Disco bags on clearance for *really* cheap. And yes, they are the real deal - no counterfeit gear from my experience or my friends'. As far as sleeping pads go - I have an XTherm large (tall guy). Zero complaints regarding the pad, though it's a little above your budget. Geartrade or Valhalla Pure Outfitters sometimes have sales that will bring it within your budget though. Speaking of which. Check out Valhalla if you haven't already. They have a much better offering of gear than MEC, and are actually Canadian-owned. I much prefer buying from them when possible.

The biggest thing is definitely the 9.5 r-value at 500g. I am very very very skeptical about how warm the pad sleeps. Looks to be a similar insulation style to the Tensor XC at an r-value of 8.5, but my experience is that it sleeps colder than an Xtherm (R7.3).

If you want to camp in your backyard or out of your car, just stack a bunch of foam - it'll be the cheapest and effective. If you want to carry your ground insulation on your back, the xtherm is the only good option for conditions where it is 0F or below and you are on frozen ground and snow (ideally paired with a thin foam pad as well).

It was really cool to see Steven test this. There are not many people outside of the big companies with resources to be doing this. It reinforces observations I have had with pads since the new ASTM standard first came out. I think the big takeaway was that the tests reinforce how much the current r-value testing system gets completely messed up by convective heat transfer. Because rvalue testing happens at room temperature, pads without methods to reduce convective heat transfer potentially perform better than if they had methods to reduce convective heat transfer. The room temp air is helping the pads "combat" the cold plate underneath the pads. This is made more of a factor by the fact the plates that sandwich the pads usually only take up a fraction of the pads surface area. Stevens testing reinforces what I have also been seeing in the field while testing dozens of pads in every temperature possible. Pads like the Xtherm (with good convective heat loss mechanisms) outperform pads like the Tensor XC (minimal convectove eat loss mechanisms) even though the Tensor XC has a higher tested rvalue. I think a good quick and dirty method for testing convective heat transfer is the deflation test. Open a fully inflated pads dump valve and see how quickly it deflates. You could start trying to push air out too by rolling it. You'll notice pads like the Xtherm are a lot harder to get air out of. Companies are designing pads for the testing standard, which is going to bite them in the butt since it's essentially wasted R&D with more info coming out about how rvalue can be a good place to start but is kind of garbage. edit: To answer your question, you will sleep warmer on a CCF pad of an equal ASTM tested r-value inflatable pad due to the issues with the testing standard. CCF does phenomenally at reducing convective heat transfer.

I’ve gone back and forth…recently I had 2 neoairs (a regular and a wide) both with leaks in my gear storage. I patched the wide and took it on a 5 day trip in the Grand Canyon, in which it failed on night 1. I’ve also had trouble with customer support and warranties. I 100% sleep better on them when they work, and I like the smaller volume since I use a 20 liter pack often. That said, If reliability matters (a thru) and money matters, ccf all the way

The best warmth to weight ratio pad on the market is the Therm-A-Rest XTherm. Great pad, really fucking warm though so only get it if you sleep cold. It’s pricy but if you buy it at REI it’s got a year of warranty, which you might really need, especially in the desert or even just if it gets all nasty from being wet later on. It’s a steal imo.

XTherm seems to be the gold standard currently and is what I have. I have nothing but good things to say about it - super warm, super light, decently comfortable, and (from my experience) durable

The idea that you can’t be too hot on a pad is reductive. Anyone who sleeps hot in their home will tell you the kind of mattress they use makes a huge difference in sleep comfort. In my experience an X-Therm is very uncomfortable in 50+ F degree temps. I think the reflective feature makes it more uncomfortable in warmer tempts. In hot temps I want a pad that cools, not insulates. It’s worth having options, just like quilts, to have the best setup for the conditions.

The xtherm is warm but I would not recommend it for someone with back issues. The Tensor extreme is pretty comfy and very warm. I have heard great things about the Exped Ultra 5R and 7R.

I would very highly recommend a quilt sleeping bag. I have a katabatic gear palisade and I love it. https://katabaticgear.com/collections/elite-quilts/products/palisade-ultralight-quilt I use it with thermarest xtherm and when it gets cold enough you just use the straps. You can roll inside of it without moving the bag.

That's still not true though. An X-therm weighs 16oz and has a R value of 7.3. Whereas a z-lite weighs 14oz and has a R value of 2. Even if we assume that foam pads perform above their stated r value you would still need multiple to match the warmth of a single inflatable.

Yep I bring two pads as well. Although my system is a little bit different in that I use an X-therm combined with a 80x40 1/8th pad as my floor and then can fold it down in an emergency. I'm surprised that worked for you. I know when I had first gotten my sulo I took it down to 22F on snow with just a nemo switchback because that's all I owned and could very easily feel the cold from the pad

Thermarest Neo-air x-lite for 3 seasons use or the x-therm if you are looking at colder weather. Yes they are expensive but they have a lifetime warranty and great customer service

I like my neoair xtherm. I’ve never had it in conditions that low, but it’s comfortable, and not as loud as I’d heard it could be.

I’ve used the xterme since it came out with zero problem. At the beginning of last summer I bought the xlite and it immediately leaked. Used it for about 10 nights and took it back to REI. Never again.

Comming from only a foam mat and a 3.8cm air mat, the Xtherm is more than comfortable enough for me. The only thing I could say about it is that it's noisy and could be even lighter.

It’s so noisy. It’s like you’re sleeping on a chip bag. Very warm though.

Pretty sure the reactor is the best. And the obvious pad recommendation for you is the Xtherm

That sleeping pad doesnt look like its made for temps that cold honestly. There's no mention of R-Value on their website. For -25C you'll probably want more than 4-5. Closer to 7 is what I would shoot for. I'll second the Thermarest Neoair Xtherm, its a tried and true mat people have been using for a long time. You can find older models on sale that work fine. If you want to bring a second mat as a backup, i'd suggest a much lighter foam mat than the one you have there. It doesn't need to be nice its just for a backup and extra protection from the ground.

You'll never regret being warm. Go for high r value. I have a thermarest xtherm which is a whooping 7.3r value. It's absolutely the warmest pad I've ever owned. It however is very crinkly sounding, so much so that I can't recommend it. (Newer versions may be better I hear) Go for the higher r value pads. It's worth the extra weight.

Plus one. I have a therm-a-rest Xtherm, two cheap Amazon pads (they didn’t last), a Big Agnes, and I’ve tried the foam pads (they’re not for me). Exped seems to have the best tech. Their pads are quiet, comfy, reliable, and I love the synthetic down on the inside

I have the Thermarest NeoAir XTherm (max) and freakin love it. Yes it sounds like a crinkly bag of chips, but I sleep with earplugs. It is VERY warm, well made, and surprisingly light/compact. I just went with the idea of "buy one really damn good pad" and then not have to think of it every again - I slept in moroccan desert and high arctic with it - very enjoyable!

See if you can find some Reflectix. There might be a few sellers on etsy or ebay that have made pre-cut ones. They should only cost like $10 or so. If you are anywhere near Truckee or Reno I'll give you some. I ended up with a lot of leftovers after I bought a roll at home depot years ago. When I winter camp I use an x-therm air mattress plus reflectix and if I have room (like when using a pulk instead of a backpack) I will also bring a folding pad.

The x-therm is definitely as comfortable as some others. If you really inflate it, it can stiff as a board. But, if you under inflate it, it doesn't insulate as well. But what inflated to nearly full, it will be one of the warmer pads. I use my x-therm for shoulder and winter seasons only. For three season use I am currently using an REI Helix pad which is pretty warm and very comfy. The most comfortable pad I've used. Prior to the REI Helix I was using a Nemo Tensor Insulated. That was also a comfy pad but not as comfy as the REI Helix. And its not as warm as the REI Helix. I gave the Tensor to my son who sleeps warmer than I do. And he really likes it.

Thermarest neoair xtherm

Really ? I've had mine a decade without a single issue. Don't treat it particularly well either. That sucks

2 things here, time of year is key, the other is age. even late spring, in the uplands in the UK you can get hyperthermia pretty easily without decent ground insulation. You mention student, so i'm guessing circa 17-22. You should be able to sleep on a roll mat just fine at thatt age with, esp after a day's hard PT in the outdoors. For this if you want to save money, forget amazon entirely and look at an army foam matt, or a thermarest one if want to buy from a regular shop. Both will keep you alive and insulated in all weathers. As for airpads, they are a liability. I know i've had most brands over the years and the reality is there is no cutting corners. Sure can get a cheap one from amazon, say trekology one of the better one's but know it will fail, and its not a question of if, but when. Note a non insulated airpad, you will have a very very uncomforable night, as in freezing. I've been all over, all different terrains and super remote, a hard foam matt will never fail and you should always carry one, even if you have a top of the range airmat, because without one, if the airpad fails your screwed. As for air pads themselves. My advice is having tried all leading brands, save up and get a thermorest neoair (avoid uber) and go for a xtherm if wanting winter, and the normal(yellow) one if 3 season. yes they are expensive but if they fail (which out of all the matt's ive had over the years are the most reliable) the customer service is second to none, you will get a replacement. So you can buy x number of cheap pads without any ability to get a replacement a year down the road, but over the seasons it adds up. So best advice, is save up a little, make home brew to save money lol, and buy once, but buy quality. The other thing is sleeping bags, and again that becomes very costly. If your young and thus should be fit and thus your not worrying about every gram, look no further than uk ex military surplus stock for sleeping systems/bags. They will last, are well proven and just work.

2 things here, time of year is key, the other is age. even late spring, in the uplands in the UK you can get hyperthermia pretty easily without decent ground insulation. You mention student, so i'm guessing circa 17-22. You should be able to sleep on a roll mat just fine at thatt age with, esp after a day's hard PT in the outdoors. For this if you want to save money, forget amazon entirely and look at an army foam matt, or a thermarest one if want to buy from a regular shop. Both will keep you alive and insulated in all weathers. As for airpads, they are a liability. I know i've had most brands over the years and the reality is there is no cutting corners. Sure can get a cheap one from amazon, say trekology one of the better one's but know it will fail, and its not a question of if, but when. Note a non insulated airpad, you will have a very very uncomforable night, as in freezing. I've been all over, all different terrains and super remote, a hard foam matt will never fail and you should always carry one, even if you have a top of the range airmat, because without one, if the airpad fails your screwed. As for air pads themselves. My advice is having tried all leading brands, save up and get a thermorest neoair (avoid uber) and go for a xtherm if wanting winter, and the normal(yellow) one if 3 season. yes they are expensive but if they fail (which out of all the matt's ive had over the years are the most reliable) the customer service is second to none, you will get a replacement. So you can buy x number of cheap pads without any ability to get a replacement a year down the road, but over the seasons it adds up. So best advice, is save up a little, make home brew to save money lol, and buy once, but buy quality. The other thing is sleeping bags, and again that becomes very costly. If your young and thus should be fit and thus your not worrying about every gram, look no further than uk ex military surplus stock for sleeping systems/bags. They will last, are well proven and just work.

2 things here, time of year is key, the other is age. even late spring, in the uplands in the UK you can get hyperthermia pretty easily without decent ground insulation. You mention student, so i'm guessing circa 17-22. You should be able to sleep on a roll mat just fine at thatt age with, esp after a day's hard PT in the outdoors. For this if you want to save money, forget amazon entirely and look at an army foam matt, or a thermarest one if want to buy from a regular shop. Both will keep you alive and insulated in all weathers. As for airpads, they are a liability. I know i've had most brands over the years and the reality is there is no cutting corners. Sure can get a cheap one from amazon, say trekology one of the better one's but know it will fail, and its not a question of if, but when. Note a non insulated airpad, you will have a very very uncomforable night, as in freezing. I've been all over, all different terrains and super remote, a hard foam matt will never fail and you should always carry one, even if you have a top of the range airmat, because without one, if the airpad fails your screwed. As for air pads themselves. My advice is having tried all leading brands, save up and get a thermorest neoair (avoid uber) and go for a xtherm if wanting winter, and the normal(yellow) one if 3 season. yes they are expensive but if they fail (which out of all the matt's ive had over the years are the most reliable) the customer service is second to none, you will get a replacement. So you can buy x number of cheap pads without any ability to get a replacement a year down the road, but over the seasons it adds up. So best advice, is save up a little, make home brew to save money lol, and buy once, but buy quality. The other thing is sleeping bags, and again that becomes very costly. If your young and thus should be fit and thus your not worrying about every gram, look no further than uk ex military surplus stock for sleeping systems/bags. They will last, are well proven and just work.

I have a [thermarest neoair xtherm](https://www.rei.com/product/217084/therm-a-rest-neoair-xtherm-nxt-sleeping-pad?cm_mmc=aff_AL-_-145262-_-180150-_-NA&avad=180150_c406ca609) and it's a solid product. I got it for the high r-value (7.3) at a relatively low weight. Decent construction, durable materials, great performance. I'd opt for the wide version. Only real con is that this thing is CRINKLY, definitely the loudest pad I've used and would honestly be a dealbreaker but ultimately it's comfortable and keeps me warm so it's tolerable for me. I will say that if you don't have too much money already sunk into a good tent and you want to upgrade your entire sleeping system, look into hammock camping. I was always a tent person but after using a hammock on one of my trips I could not believe how much more comfortable it is. Check out r/hammockcamping. Either way, good luck with your search!

"And no a new pad will not be sufficient to keep me warm" Highly disagree. Have you tried an Xtherm pad? I will guarantee you won't be cold with a 15deg bag and an xtherm. People underestimate how much a pad does to keep you warm, its as equally important as your bag.

I have an old xtherm I’ve used for several years and never had any durability issues. Also a side sleeper and don’t have a problem. One thing to be aware of the others have mentioned—it’s very crinkly. Doesn’t bother me because I’m a heavy sleeper, but I could definitely see it being an issue for some.

What I use

Naturehike is not ASTM rated. Skip. The Rapide is a great pad but is a bit cold. If you want the direct replacement to this pad get the Boundary Deluxe, which is the new name for the Q Core Deluxe. However if you are going to go winter camping over snow go for a higher R value pad. Exped Ultra 5 Exped Ultra 7 Sea to Summit Etherlight XT Extreme Thermarest XTherm Nemo Tensor Extreme

My vote is for Xtherm, mine is finally requiring some patches after what I estimate to be something like 300 days of use

For -5C and durability I would personally take the Thermarest X-Therm mummy. R7.3, 440gr (although mine weighs 460gr in reality), and a 70D material on the underside. Anecdotally, I can feel the cold seep through my Nemo Tensor Insulated (R4.2) from around freezing.

Just go all out, man. You'll regret it if you don't. Those budget constraints? You're gonna end up uncomfortable, trust me. You say 200 max: that’s funny. When you're freezing your butt off or lying on the hard ground, you'll wish you'd spent that little bit extra. Seriously though, look at something like the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XTherm. Yeah, it's pricey, but it’s worth it if you love your comfort. Get ready to splurge, or keep regretting your “max 200.”

Closed Cell Foam pads like the Ridgerest are actually quite lightweight and super durable compared to air mats - I think my full length Ridgerest was 12.7oz (listed at 14oz). I used a Ridgerest from \~2005 to 2015 and then switched to a Neo Air X-Therm as I was getting older. I'm not saying I'd go back, but I do miss the durability and simplicity of the Ridgerest. Durability will not be a concern over an inflatable mat at all.

It is not worth it as long as you can sleep and truly rest on a closed cell foam pad. that is definitely a more reliable pad, but that is not something many of us could never do. just because of how uncomfortable it is and for the condition it might leave our body in after laying that way without support so long. I will say this, though my thermos Neo air has never had a reliability issue and I’ve probably used it 60 - 70 nights so far.

Thermarest. There’s a reason it costs so much. It’s in high demand because it’s worth the money.

Gonflé bien ferme, présente t-il un problème ?! Je suis de fort gabarit ! J'ai un Néoair Topo Luxe  que j'adore ! J'ai aussi un Xtherm 😉 !

J'ai aussi un Xtherm et viens de faire l'achat du Néoloft...je ne sais pas si cela vaut la différence vs mon Topo...je le préfère ferme !

It will take some adjusting and time but I would try to learn to sleep on just foam. Substantially cheaper, more durable, easy to use, and warm enough for the summer. Inflatables take a lot of babying, they often get holes. I use a Nemo switchback for 3 seasons and then jump to a thermarest xtherm (which has a 70d bottom) for the cold. Yes, foam is not as comfy, it just takes some getting used to but you can learn to sleep on it fine. If it’s just not worth it and you really want an inflatable, put an 1/8in foam under, or at a bare minimum a groundsheet, even in the shelters

That piece of shit keeps breaking on me non-stop. Mini punctures 24/7

The Thermarest NeoAir is indeed lighter. At just 12 ounces the semi-mummy arguably the best quality sleeping pad in this range and weight. But it's also not cheap. The NeoAir Xtherm is the cold weather version, R 7.4, and 16 oz. The Nemo Tensor Extreme is rectangle, R 8.1, and 18 oz. Both the Thermarest and Nemos are quieter than they were in the past. Also, the more you use them, the more quiet they get. Agree the Thermarest pump sack is the worst of the bunch, no question, but I've gotten mine to work enough. The Rapide is usually warm enough for most people 3 seasons, and the reason to buy it is indeed it's thickness, and the sides being raised. Agree the Exped 5R is good for most people. It's a simple, comfortable, rectangle. R 4.8, and 1lb 4 oz. That's certainly heavier than the Thermarest but $50 cheaper.

The Thermarest NeoAir is indeed lighter. At just 12 ounces the semi-mummy arguably the best quality sleeping pad in this range and weight. But it's also not cheap. The NeoAir Xtherm is the cold weather version, R 7.4, and 16 oz. The Nemo Tensor Extreme is rectangle, R 8.1, and 18 oz. Both the Thermarest and Nemos are quieter than they were in the past. Also, the more you use them, the more quiet they get. Agree the Thermarest pump sack is the worst of the bunch, no question, but I've gotten mine to work enough. The Rapide is usually warm enough for most people 3 seasons, and the reason to buy it is indeed it's thickness, and the sides being raised. Agree the Exped 5R is good for most people. It's a simple, comfortable, rectangle. R 4.8, and 1lb 4 oz. That's certainly heavier than the Thermarest but $50 cheaper.

> I'm close to getting a Thermarest Xtherm, which I probably will as it seems ideal to me, unless convinced otherwise. Good call. I vaguely prefer a torso-length CCF paired with a ThermaRest XLite to build in a bit of redundancy, but the XTherm has fantastic warmth for weight, and we don't hear about many issues. This is a sound choice for sure. Consider a wide. I don't mind "regular" width pads, even as a big guy, but people often find them shockingly small. Think seriously about the dimensions. For -10C, I'd strongly recommend a mummy bag, with a hood. Quilts are a great weight savings, but even a lot of experienced people prefer mummy bags as the temperature dips meaningfully below freezing. Where are you ordering to and what's the budget for the bag? (Tariffs and shipping will probably guide the selection process.)

An insulated inflatable sleeping mat is one of the best investments you can do. I had an alpkit basic one and upgraded to a Thermarest neoair. The difference is enormous and the insulation is paramount. When you sleep you compress the sleeping bag with your weight and in doing so you reduce its insulation factor. An insulated sleeping mat helps restore that insulation

I think a lot of the inflatable pads are cold in sub freezing temperatures because they are getting cooled from the sides by the cold air. The cold sides will then cool the rest of the air between the mylar sheets. I imagine the exped don’t suffer as much from cooling from the sides because it’s filled with synthetic/down insulation and not “just” layers of mylar film. (This is just my theory) I was miserable on my thermarest xtherm at -20-25C. Going forward I will use my exped 5r coupled with a ccf, mammut bamse extreme, on top at those temps.

Thermarest neoair xtherm. Expensive, but totally worth it. Don’t do what I did and spend 2x rrp on 4 other pads because the thermarest is “too expensive” before, inevitably, buying a thermarest because everything else sucks.

When they inflate well they’re great. I’m honestly wondering if I don’t take proper care of mine, normally don’t get more than a year out of them

This. I use an Xtherm and a 30degree quilt and have been fine on nights in the high 20s.

I’m surprised the X-Therm is uncomfortable for you. I’m a side sleeper too and end up having to let a little air out of mine so it’s not too firm after I blow it up. To me, it’s almost as comfortable as my bed at home. (6’1 205 lb male) Have you tried more air to firm it up so you don’t bottom out or does that make it too firm for you?

Eh you don't always get what you pay for. I bought a thermarest pad for winter camping and they sent me a pad that leaked on first use. They offered to repair if i paid for shipping and repair cost but that's ridiculous after spending over $200 for a product that was sent to me unusable

The Xtherm is reasonably durable, but not enough so that I've ever trusted my life to it in remote extreme conditions. Like most people, I pair it with a foam pad. The foam pad is great to have anyway. You can put it right on the ground or snow to sit or stand on at camp, and you can cut off a piece if you are building a splint. It also serves as an emergency backup if the Xtherm develops a leak that can't be patched. The classic self-inflating Thermarest pads that they have been making for 30+ years are less warm and less comfortable than the Xtherm, but far more durable. Those have some foam in them, so they don't roll up as small, but they will still provide a little warmth if they spring a leak (though they also have bomber construction and almost never fail). They are issued out to troops by the US Army (I take it from your photo that you are one of those types of people to whom that endorsement matters). However, for the temperatures you are talking about, you will still want to pair that pad with a foam pad. The best combination is a modern lightweight inflatable foamless pad with a high R value like the Xtherm, combined with a foam pad like a Z-rest or a RidgeRest. If you're very concerned about bulk, you can of course trim the foam pad down to a 3/4 length. I prefer the folding Z-rest style over any pad that needs to be rolled, but that's your preference.

You should be good with the Neoair xlite. For your temps, it should be more than enough. If you plan on camping even colder, get the xtherm. The Xtherm is so warm it literally feels like im on a heated floor unless im directly on snow, even then it feels warm, its literally unusable in the summer.

Don't get a liner, get down boots and a down balaclava instead. Much warmer for the weight. As for the pad, fix it (soap water to see the bubbles), get an xtherm but you'll probably have another leak at some point. Or get a closed cell foam pad like the Exped Flexmat Plus which won't ever leak. The r value is much better than the number suggests (due to lackluster test methodology). As general advice, lightly suffering on a thru hike is unavoidable sometimes. If you just started give your body time to adjust and read up how can influence perceived sleep temperatures. It's a skill.

Neo air xtherm, high rating, light and packs small. You get a pump sack, literally 2/3 pumps and it's inflated.

I’ve a full XTherm and 3/4 Neolite plus many foam pads for winter. Both are loud but I don’t notice it

I kind of regret not buying a thermarest xtherm instead of the neoair I think. Fairly big R value difference: - neoair wide/regular mummy: R=4.5, 16oz - xtherm wide/regular mummy: R=7.3, 19oz 3oz (+19%) weight difference for 62% higher R value I backpack a decent amount in hot DC summer/falls though and felt the x-therm might just make me too hot.

I kind of regret not buying a thermarest xtherm instead of the neoair I think. Fairly big R value difference: - neoair wide/regular mummy: R=4.5, 16oz - xtherm wide/regular mummy: R=7.3, 19oz 3oz (+19%) weight difference for 62% higher R value I backpack a decent amount in hot DC summer/falls though and felt the x-therm might just make me too hot.

I think any of the inflation pads will be pretty similar (as opposed to self inflating that are typically thinner). So Thermarest NeoAir NXT, Nemo Tensor, plus those already listed. Circa 3 inches thick to allow the hip to stay off the ground, and a square shape rather than mummy.

New neo-air reputed to be much quieter. Instability might be the result of over inflation. Was for me with my older (circa 2020) model. Let air out until you hip is just barely off the ground. Might still not be the pad for you, but check it out again with the wife’s pad. Edit to add: my old version did get quieter as I put more nights on it. Maybe 50-100 and it’s lost some of the crinkle sound. Moot point probably.

The thermarest Neo air mats are lightweight and good quality, if a little pricey. MEC alternatives aren’t bad either. I prefer a foam/air mix pad and have been really happy with the one I have form Sea to Summit. If you want to be on the inexpensive side, look at Woods or Decathalon, but expect more weight.

If the Prolite works great for you, why not keep it and cut weight elsewhere? Pads are quite subjective, like recommending shoes. I agree it's a grail hunt, I've went through a bunch too! The Neoair is my go-to, the Exped Ultra is my favorite, and I can get by on a z-lite in warmer weather.

I have found and fixed a leak in my NeoAir, but I can't imagine finding the hole while on the trail.

I've 200+ nights on my NeoAir. I've patched a couple holes over that time, but it was easy to identify and fix them in the field. Cascade Designs, the parent company of thermarest, will replace your pad if there's a defect in it (I've warrantied an MSR tent with them). Thru hikers use inflatable pads and do just fine. Are you having this problem with multiple brands and models? Are you super heavy? Are you sleeping wearing anything that is metal? Maybe get a gossamer gear 1/8" foam pad and put it underneath your inflatable.

Then it’s a CCF pad for you. I’ve had no issues with reliability. I’ve owned an Uberlite and two Neoairs (NXT and non). But if something can break, it will eventually. I’d recommend babying it, in every way (site selection and clearing, handling, etc.).

For solo? Assuming you don’t need a free standing tent, take a look at Mier Lanshan 1P on Amazon. It uses a trekking pole. I have like a 16 year old NeoAir pad which rolls up slightly smaller than a Nalgene. It’s kinda pricey but they still make them.

This is subjective. For me, yes, an inflatable pad is worth it for better sleep quality. Foam pads just don't work for me. In your case, you report that you already sleep fine on a foam pad so why not just stick with it? Regarding durability of an inflatable, yes it's likely lower but you may be able to patch it and still worth it for sleep quality. I did get a leak in my NeoAir but I set up camp in a reasonable spot and was able to put my pack under it and it was ok. Patched it when I got home. The hot ticket item for me is actually the short Prolite. Very similar weight to my old NeoAir, bit more durable, adequate ground insulation, and still has a bit of foam. Takes up more space but still fits in my packs with usual loadouts.

I'm doubtful the exped is more durable than the neoair. Exped uses a 20D fabric vs a 30D for the neoair. Denier isn't everything but we can suppose both brands use good quality fabric. The neoair is one of the highest rated inflatable pad on the pct survey, it wouldn't be the case if they were constantly popping. I don't think you should ever use it on bare ground though.

I’m taking a neoair AND a RIDGEREST!!!!! Luxury baby! Base weight is still 11 pounds cuz of a few other luxuries but DO IT!

You've tested *all* of them? You find the Nemo more comfortable than an Etherlite XT? An REI Helix? An Exped? A Rapide SL? That doesn't compute for me. The Nemo is more comfy than a Neoair but well below all of those.

Slept on a ZLite on the AT and PCT, bought a NeoAir for the CDT and slept great on all of them. 10+ years later and I can’t even come close to a good nights sleep on a 25 inch wide pad with a decent pillow. Probably just need to hike more miles.

I had one of the first neo airs and I used on extended trips and for work. I also let my dogs walk all over it. I used it on rocks and twigs. It took like 10 years to get a hole.

I've been using the thermarest neos air ones since they were introduced.

Buy once cry once. Get a nemo Tensor all season or a Thermarest Neoair - you can find both used on ebay for less than rrp.

yeah sometimes you end up in a bind where the pad that is the most comfortable for you is one that is prone to having some manufacturing defect that reveals itself slowly. i wish i was more comfortable on thermarest neoair but i just can't sleep good on horizontal baffles. i know they're more reliable over the long term. but what are you gonna do. what kills me is people on this sub who act like because pads develop weld defects that means you're WaStEfUl or bad at caring for your gear. it's asinine

I know they are light but the neoair durability isn’t great. Also Cascade (thermarest) just moved from Seattle to Reno and I bet things are super disorganized still I opted for the Exped Ultra series. There’s a weight penalty but I find them much more comfortable, and Exped repairs pads for the cost of shipping to Tacoma.

You obviously have not tried a NeoAir

I won’t say most but I would say a good majority use the thermo rest neo air. It varies in size but it’s a quality pad and I use it personally

Same. Bought NeoAir in 2016. Full AT thru, full PCT thru, a dozen other short trips. Still going strong!

No insulating value so not appropriate for cold weather; otherwise, if you like it great! I like closed cell foam for bottom dollar functionality but lots of folks can't/won't sleep on it, which is where you get the expensive inflatable pads you're talking about that are light and warm and compact (but cost a lot). In that category I like the thermarest neoair series.

Most of the negative reviews I’ve seen for the Rapide have been for the model that came out for 2024. I bought a used model for that reason, and so far so good, I’m sleeping much better than I did on my Thermarest Neoair. Taking it out next week for the first time with lows in the 30° range, fingers crossed. Also a side sleeper here.

Same here. When I did my life's biggest hike thus far, I was in my early 20's, very close to being underweight, and had zero injuries. Sleeping on a Z-Lite was a no-brainer, and I was comfortable on it. Now, I'm tickling the upper limit of the normal weight range, I have to arrange my legs in a certain way to avoid knee pain, have one shoulder prone for a nerve getting pinched, and one elbow that won't go straight. My Thermarest NeoAir enables me to get a decent night of sleep out there.

Another vote for the Thermarest NeoAir

I read quite a few reviews if the nemo Tensor that it fails/leaks, and that it's potato-chip bag loud! The pad noise is something I really hate, so I would have to touch this in store to check personally. I bought the NeoAir years ago based on the hype, but found that it's so ridiculously loud I can't use it!

Take them both 100%. The thinlight stops the neoair from moving/ sliding around, or sharp sticks puncturing it. Thinlight is great back up if neo air pops. It’s so light, it does double duty for stretching, fast breaks, extra backing in frameless pack. Take it!( I’ve many with it on the PCT)

For me it really depends what I'm doing and where I'll be sleeping. If I'm sleeping on relatively flat, manicured ground or snow I bring my inflatable Neoair, it's smaller, lighter and warmer. If however I might end up on rocky ground or am climbing something where a bivy isn't intended, but is a possibility I bring my z-lite as I can use it anywhere. So ultimately I'd recommend buying both if you intend to be sleeping on both rocky ground and snow.

It’s like a gamble. For me I’ve been using a NeoAir for a 2000 mile thru hike plus another 500 miles since than with no . Maybe mine was made on a Wednesday. Never buy a pad made on a Monday or Friday.

I'm a side sleeper with hip pain at times and I prefer a CCF Nemo Switchback for sleep. I am planning on selling my barely used NeoAir Thermarest inflatable bc it always makes back and hip issues worse. Then again I'm someone who prefers to sleep on the floor over a bed bc it feels way better on my back. Good luck in your search!

I weigh around 170 and have had my current pad (a Therm-a-rest NeoAir) for over 10 years and it's still going strong. I use it roughly 30 nights per year. I roll it up, no stuff sack, and carry it in my pack. I sleep in a tent so my pad doesn't have direct ground contact when I'm sleeping, but I frequently take it out of the tent and put it on the ground so I can relax outside.

I have a neo air - cost a bomb when I got it about ten years ago. Definitely worth it - warm and comfy! Before that I "borrowed" my auntie's thermarest back in 2003 - that was a few years old then. I think I only made one repair.

I have a light weight thermarest neoair. Super small packed up. But thinking is there a just slightly wider version. I've used i a lot for a long time doing races but.... maybe more comfort is due. My arms fall off when on my back.

I've had a neo air and it's light but noisy when turning. Just got a big Agnes (can't remember the model but the widest single insulated) and it's comfy and quieter when turning. Certainly heavier than the neoair though

My Thermarest neoair doesn’t state in the instructions that you can’t inflate by mouth and I always have with no negative effects. There is a video online that provides empirical evidence debunking the belief that mouth inflation adversely affects sleeping pads

If you’re camped on a slope, layering the neo-air over the foam pad keeps it from slipping downhill. Plus it makes a great ass pad during the day.

Both times I’ve hiked the PCT my thermarests have popped in the desert . The first time it was an older thermarest that had already seen a bit of action . The second time it was early on in my hike and it was the one I’d replaced the previous one with! After that I went CCF pad and was absolutely fine with it. In many ways, I prefer it.

For a rainy bikepacking trip, definitely go for a lightweight, waterproof tent like MSR or Big Agnes. A synthetic sleeping bag and an inflatable sleeping pad like Therm-a-Rest will keep you dry and comfortable. You’ll be good to go with that setup!

The suggestion of a rental is a good idea if you currently aren’t interested in making this a hobby! If you are looking to buy, however, the foam Therm-o-Rest pads are the classic camping pad that everyone owns one of. They z-fold up into a rectangular stack and are relatively light and cheap. I’m 40 and need a little extra cushion on the trail these days, so I use an air mattress. Therm-o-rest has some decent priced air mattresses, but they are a little spartan compared to some of the more expensive air mattresses.

For me the thermarest warranty has been worth its weight in gold, it’s an inflatable product that’s exposed to the elements, they’ll all get damaged eventually but every interaction I’ve had with them has been amazing, no questions asked replacement or repair