Saucony - Peregrine 12

Ever since they significantly overhauled it with the 12 (prior generations, especially the 11, were stiffer, burlier, heavier, and much more durable).

I switched from hiking boots to trail runners about five years ago and am glad I did. Just spent four days backpacking in Yosemite, trail runners the whole time, and it was glorious. My go-to for trail runners is the Saucony Peregrine 11’s. I like the 11’s a lot more than the 12s FWIW but you honestly can’t go wrong with any model of these.

As someone who has a chronically bad ankle, I highly recommend sticking to low stack shoes, ideally with decent ground feel. Doesn't have to be fully minimal, something like a Saucony Peregrine or La Sportiva Bushido is good.

I'm running in the 12 which have 26 mm in the back.

I also run primarily in Kinvaras and the Peregrines are my main trail shoe. You get used to it. Like someone else said, you're usually going so much slower and if you're like me, you're also carrying a vest with first aid and food, so it doesn't really matter.

That's weird! I literally wear Saucony in freezing rain and snow. Mostly Kinvara, but also Ride and Speeds. Peregrine for trails.

And your own feet.  I wore Saucony Peregrines for my 50 k, but a lot of people wouldn't enjoy that.

I usually lean towards lower stack and firmer cushioning shoes with at least 4.5+ mm lugs/tread. There used to be more commonly available soft ground options like the Altra King MT and Saucony Peregrine 13 ST but these may be harder to find. I've had good results with the regular Peregrine in the sense that they work better than high stack shoes like the Speedgoat, but they aren't optimized for soft ground.

I'm on my third pair of Endorphin Edges and that's how my first pair looked after around 160 miles/257 km mainly on dry rocky US southwest trails. My second pair looked better at the same level of use on the same trails. My third pair is around 100 km and looks to be close to my second pair. I took them out to 300 miles but was more careful on traction for the last bit. Similar results on both pairs of my Xodus Ultra 2s and Peregrine 12. So normal for Saucony but on the lower end for trail shoes in general. What is particularly concerning for me was the damage and peeling from the outsole cutouts and straight up losing chunks of outsole lugs as opposed to having them wear down like in other shoes. It's a shame, because I love the fit of the Endorphin Edge and it's otherwise very durable in the upper and midsole since I retired them from harder trails but still use them for easier trails and roads. I hope Saucony addresses this and was surprised to see their trail line wane after 2020-2023.

I prefer relatively light weight low to medium stack shoes with cushioning on the medium-firm side like the Peregrine, Torrent, and Topo MT. There are lower stack and lighter shoes out there but the above are just the ones I've used and liked. Most snow in my area is soft even when packed so shoe cushioning isn't needed. Lower stack for better balance, firmer cushioning for less energy loss to the ground so it doesn't feel like I'm slowing down too much. Light weight to partially offset the penalty of spikes/traction device for snow that is hard frozen and slippery.

Love the 12s because of the low stack height and low drop. I think it’s 24 front 28 heel. Really helps me not trip over things when my legs get tired and I feel much more stable on technical terrain. Ran the last 80 miles of a 100 in them last year and they were fine.

Peregrine are my favorite trail shoes. They just fit my feet very well so I’ve stuck with the line for about 8 years. I don’t remember which design was the 11 but I do know it’s an older model. I think they’re are up to 14 now. I use the 13 currently and it has been one of the more durable models. The 12’s fell apart very quickly for me. I like the low drop, integrated tongue, and tread design. The tread on the 13 is good at giving traction without holding on to mud.

I've run in Peregrines (11, 12, & 13) and I find the Inov-8 Trailfly (The Standard. Not the Speed. Not the Zero (if you're in the UK)) to ride similarly. They're a 6mm drop instead of a 4mm, but they feel very similar under-foot. The mid-sole is on the firmer-side, but with decent energy return. They have a rock-plate. Grip is great where I run (dry, hardpack, a little rocky). Runs on pavement just fine since the lugs aren't extremely aggressive. They have a relatively wide forefoot. I'd size up at least half size, maybe a full size. I've got about 500 miles on mine, uppers are perfectly intact, but horrendously stained because I bought the white ones since I found them deeply discounted. Outsole is more worn, but still completely intact and functional.

That's crazy, I consistently have pinky toe blisters with my peregrines on. What's wrong with my feet :(

I’m flat footed, bigger, and don’t like shoes that overdo it with stability / arch / padding too! I got a pair of Speedgoats and hated how soft and disconnected from the ground they made me feel and also felt like it put my weight too much to the outside of the shoe (and thus more likely to roll, especially with the stack height and lack of ground feel). My go to for about 3 years now is the Saucony Peregrine: I use it for all distances and for OCRs and it’s been absolutely issue free. It has a low heel drop (4mm) so it’s close enough to zero drop and then the stack height and padding are just right: enough to absorb the shock and save your feet, but not too much or designed to disconnect from the ground and lose your ground feel. I can tell when I step on a rock but not in a bad way like I feel every single tiny pebble and it’s tough / painful.

I’ve been trail running in nothing but Saucony Peregrine 12’s for 2 years, but I live in Florida and rarely deal with rocky terrain and what not — it’s not very technical at all here. I absolutely love them, so much so that I have like 2-3 more pairs in reserve for when my current pair wear out. I’ve ran up to 23 miles comfortably in them on Oak Mountain, hiked/trail ran Grandfather Mountain and Mount Mitchell, and have done multiple OCRs from Savage Blitz to Spartan Trail and Beast in them — again no complaints at all. They have great traction and I like that the cushioning is right in the middle between minimalist and maximal. I haven’t experienced any heel splitting or upper ripping or any of that. The only damage I can point out is that the inner liner is starting to wear out where it makes contact with my heel, but I also have ran them into the ground and they’re past the point I should replace mileage wise. My previous pair when wearing out, some of the lugs were starting to fall apart but again I wear my shoes way past when they should be. The only other trail shoe I’ve ran in is the Hoka Speedgoat 4 and while I can see why people like it for long runs, I couldn’t keep using them. It may have been a size issue, but no matter what I tried I kept getting blisters on my toes and on the arches of both of my feet after almost every run an hour or more. Which I rarely ever get with my Peregrines. I also learned I hate having that much cushioning for trail runs, so as usual shoes are a very personal preference and depends on how the shoe actually fits your own feet. Edit: I also road run in older Saucony Kinvaras 12/ 13s for reference. It does seem like the newer Saucony shoes have gone downhill in quality control at least. I snagged a pair of Saucony Kinvara 14 for cheap, wore them at work for a while, and they’re the fastest shoes I’ve ever seen wear out on the treads. I’m likely switching to Altra’s newer shoes with 4mm drops in the future once I run out of my backup pairs unless Saucony fixes things. They’ve majorly changed their shoes in the past year, especially adding a ton of cushion to Kinvara and similar.

Oh that stinks! I have a pair of 12s and don’t think they changed much? I love mine and haven’t had any issues doing OCRs or big, long trail runs. Maybe sizing or how they’re laced? Or ultimately just doesn’t fit your feet the way you want or need. I bought a pair of Speedgoats a couple years ago and I ended up hating them and kept getting blisters during long runs and what not no matter what I did. I think I needed a half size down but whenever I do that the shoes normally end up being too small.

My 12s were amazing and lasted close to 400 miles. But my 2 pairs of 13s blew out in less than 100 miles. Not sure if it was just bad luck, but I hear the 14s are better!

The 12 was horrible durability wise. Lovely shoe, ran Canyons 100k in it; but after 200 miles the upper ripped on 2 separate pairs. I switched to Hoka Mafate Speed 4 for OCC and Javelina and they look pretty good after 300 miles on them.

Peregrine 12s on Amazon for $75. Excursions for $50ish. Excursions are fine but no rock plate.

Definitely. I use Saucony Peregrines or Kinvara, both of which have a 4mm drop. Peregrines have a rock plate. I think the drop helps you feel the trail. Both have very little stack height also.

I have been running in Peregrine 12s for about a year. They are one of multiple trail shoes I wear. They have about 200 miles on them and have held up pretty well. The grip is still good. They are definitely my go-to pair for more rocky or technical trails. I generally use them for trail runs between 4 and 7 miles. They don't have a ton of cushion and have a 4mm drop I think.

Abso fucking lutely. No high stack shoes on trails. For me, my best trail runs are in things like Saucony Kinvara or if there are technical rocks and things, Peregrines.

Salomon Alphacross or Saucony Peregrine for snow where I know there isn't ice on any spots yet. Where there is ice, I have an old pair of Salomon Speedcross with Yaktraks already attached. When it's snow and ice I will opt for trails (or treadmill) rather than inconsistent pavement/sidewalk but that's just me.

I've had issues with the 14s. I loved the older models and then the 12s/13s got too soft and lost the toe cap. The 14s fixed this but they're giving me heel blisters on uphills and I've never gotten blisters from running shoes, ever. I tried going up 1/2 a size when my usual 7.5 felt too tights (esp in the heel). While the 8s feel great on flats, I keep getting blisters on uphills. Really bummed because it's been really hard to find anything I like.

I’ve been on the 12s, 13s and now on my first week of 14s. Some shoes are just for different feet, just like ski boots, some brands just don’t work for some people. I’ve loved the feel of the Peregrines on both road and trail and my trails have everything from knee deep mud to steep slab

I also have much of the Saucony trail lineup (Peregrine 12, Endorphin Trail, Switchback 2, Endorphin Rift). They work well in the midwest where the trails are mostly grass and mud or just to use in the snow. When I have taken them to the east coast I thought I was going to die sliding on all the rocks.

Love my many Peregrines, but I would not pay full price. 12s fray, and 13s split. Exodus Ultra are narrower than the Peregrine but far more durable, watch them ankles.

Love my many Peregrines, but I would not pay full price. 12s fray, and 13s split. Exodus Ultra are narrower than the Peregrine but far more durable, watch them ankles.

Don't forget the Solomon Speedcross. I've only ever tried them on in the store, but folks round these parts REALLY LOVE THEM. I've run Spartan races in: Craft Spartan OCR Speed (had a merchandise credit from a Season Pass) - they have deep lugs and good grip in very muddy terrain. Good for racing, not so much for every day running. Nike Wildhorse 8 - I'm on my 2nd pair, they've worked well for both training and racing. Saucony Peregrine 12 - I've gone through 2 pairs of these. The 1st worked great for trail running, and I only used them for a Beast for their last run as they were getting holes in the uppers. The 2nd pair rubbed the back of my heels, really ruined my love of Saucony for the time being. Hoka Speedgoat 5 - worked very well Brooks Cascadia 14 - worked very well ( would not recommend the newest version ) My point is: there's a lot of options out there that will work for both training and racing. If you are only running 1 to 2 racers per year, I don't think you need a 'racing shoe.'

I honestly loved my Peregrine 11s. They weren't the lightest shoes around but they were very good. They shaved a lot of weight on the 12s which seemed to be in the upper because I went through 2 pairs of them, ripping through both uppers after only a couple hundred km. The 15s just came out which may be the best version of the shoe yet.

I remember receiving my pair of wide peregrine 12’s on the PCT and thinking they were the widest things id ever seen, now it makes sense!

For sure look at older models. Most can be had for 25-50% of their original price on Amazon. I’d say look at Saucony Peregrine 111-12’s or Xodus Ultra 2.

I’m hoping to get some suggestions from other runners with wider feet. I absolutely loved the original Saucony Xodus Ultras, but I’ve finally run through my stockpile and need to find a new go-to trail shoe.  About me: I’m a heavier runner (200lbs) with wider feet, so I need a good toe box and enough room in the midfoot (too snug and I end up with pain after longer runs.)  Here’s what I’ve tried recently: * Altra Experience Wild - Good fit, enjoying these so far. * Topo Ultraventure 4 - Also a solid fit, no complaints. * Topo MNT Racer 3 - Too narrow in the midfoot, caused discomfort after a 10-miler. * Saucony Xodus Ultra 3 - Unfortunately too narrow overall for me. * Peregrine 12's (wide) - Good for technical routes and quicker paces.  I’m open to rotating a few models for different distances and terrain. I’m curious about the following shoes but am open to other suggestions. Not a big fan of zero drops. Have caused calf issues in the past. * Brooks Catamount / Caldera / Cascadia * North Face Altamesa 500 * Norda 001 * NNormal Tomir 2.0  Would love to hear from anyone with similar need, especially if you’ve found a solid Xodus Ultra alternative that works for wider feet. Bonus points for shoes that can handle longer miles or varied terrain.

j’ai eux la peregrine 12/13  impeccable mais la 14 beaucoup de problèmes ,Saucony n’a pas respecté les tailles,ducoup si fais du 44 il faut prendre 44,5.Problème de frottement au talon même avec la bonne taille.Bref elle n’est pas conçu comme  la peregrine 12 et 13 .Pouf moi celle la est un raté

I love my Peregrines, have been running/hiking in them for a long time. The 15s just came out. I have been more of a fan of even numbers (12/14 over the 11/13, 14s have been my favorite in a long time) personally. I haven't tried the 15s yet. There wasn't anything wrong with them, but just my preference lately, so I'd still recommend them unless you wanted to get a more recent one which are all getting marked down in price now. 

If ankle stability is an issue then definitely go with something with a relatively low stack height. Tons of good options from all of the brands that you've mentioned! Maybe Saucony Peregrine would tick a lot of boxes. But it's definitely worth tryong a few on and just see what feels right

Those were my first trail runners ever. Purchased because I was out of town and forgot runners and they were on sale. Still always have a pair on the go. I find they are the best for exactly the type of running OP mentions, but I know others who can't believe I run anything over 25k in them given the light padding.

Just ran a 50k in them. Loved it!

I'm in the exact same boat. Started with the Peregrine, went to Speedboat, back to Peregrine. Have a number of pairs of both floating around. I find the Hoka stickier, but better tred (that doesn't fall apart quickly) on the Peregrine.

Speedcross is rather for mud. I would take speedgoats or peregrines. Or something from terrex line. Xodus ultra are also brilliant.

I've never had peregrines last all that long going back to the 5s I started with. I don't find the traction to be bad on wet rocks though.

Fan of peregrine and even had those older model exodus (the tanks!) and liked them, but something didn’t click for me in the Xodus Ultra. Really wanted to love them. But I just always felt flat running in them, and failed to get a lockdown fit. Nowadays prefer shoes with a bit more flexibility too. Such an odd experience considering the rave reviews! Glad they worked out for someone though!

I think you can grt some deals such as old versions, off colors and get good prices on trail runners… there’s probably not a new model at full price for under 100 that would be trustworthy lol shop deals, rei resupply, backcountry etc to find solid options like the lone peaks or saucony peregrines i like alot and usually can find good prices… got a pair on amazon for 50 bucks that was the 13s which r their best year haha

I wear New Balance 880s in a 4E, so i feel for you. Over the last few years I have been wearing Saucony Peregrine fro trails, I simply size up a half size. I've tried on all of the supposed trail shoes with wide toe boxes, but none of them work for wide feet, I mean, who has wide toes?!

I have big wide feet 12 (4E) on my road shoes, I have found that going up a size in Saucony Peregrine gives me the width that I need. I have yet to find a wide fit trail shoe in my local running stores. I try Atlra as they are supposed to have a bug toe box, but they don’t work for me.

I have the Glycerine and Caldera combination. The Caldera are super comfy, but I have struggled with them on technical trails and found them slippy on the downhills (when wet and muddy in the UK). I really like them as all rounder though and wear them when I am off road on a more easy run/trail. I have some Saucony Peregrine's for more technical/faster runs but having various blister problems with them so bought some Inov8 trailfly to test this weekend.

I own them both, but the Brooks didn't work well for my feet, and the Peregrine was great, so those are my runners. I almost always buy last year's model, hardly the latest, it saves about 50% in cost, and the difference in shoe is hardly anything.

I find the Peregrines to have the same issue with being slippery. But Saucony fit my feet perfect. And they are often way less expensive. So it's just a tradeoff I take. It could also be that the closeouts I get have had some of the rubber degrade over time and possibly poor storage conditions.

I moved from the Peregrine to the Fuji lite 4 and won’t go back any time soon. The grip and feel are similar, but the mid sole of the Asics are nicer and the comfort unmatched. I couldn’t be happy with the Fuji Lite.

Sounds like a defect to me. I've got 375km on my pair and have run in al sorts of terrain including roads lots of snowy stuff and mine are perfect. I definitely had durability issues with my peregrines mostly in the upper but I've been shocked how well these edge have held up.

Bit late to the party, but the Craft Pure Trail for me. Saucony Peregrines as a close second for more nimble/technical terrains.

Xodus ultra are my favourite. V1 and V2. Perigrine second place for shorter trails or muddy days. One thing I do is to re-sole the shoes (xodus ultra) after lose grip or spikes. New Vibram soles are great and give a seconde life.

I only hike in my trail running shoes. Saucony peregrine have a rock plate but don’t sleep on brooks cascadia (new found love for brooks)

Have you tried Peregrines? Curious how they compare. I run Altra pretty exclusively but picked up a pair of Saucony Peregrines and they feel super slick to me.

Shoes like the Saucony Peregrine, Salomon Speedcross, or Brooks Cascadia provide a good balance between road and trail performance. They are comfortable and super durable. All are within your budget, and with a bit of searching, you can likely find them at discounted prices. I’d recommend trying them on before purchasing, as trail shoes often have a specific fit that can vary between brands.

I’m proportionately heavier at 5’6” and 190ish. I’ve run in Saucony Peregrines for over a decade, but just added Asics GT2000TR to the rotation as my mileage continues to increase.

What types of trails will you be running? If you have lots of technical trails (think rocky peaks and ridges, rocky single tracks, etc) that'll require a different shoe than less technical trails (think fire roads, more dirt packed trails, etc). Both the peregrine and Cascadia are great - but really depends on what you'll be up against and if you prefer a snappier shoe (Peregrine) or one with more cushioned and foot protection (Cascadia)

I'm in a similar boat, but the additional requirement is that I have wide feet, especially toe-box. And I need reasonable cushioning. Any recommendations? P.S. Sauconys are great but they are simply not made for very rocky terrain.

Great shoes, horrible durability. The exposed foam on the outsole rips apart and will split the shoe in half. Saucony has no issues honoring their warranty on this, but they keep utilizing this design.

I agree with the other poster. Highly recommend going to a dedicated running store and trying g them on. In my experience, peregrines struggle on truly technical terrain. Anything over 12ish miles and my feet really start to feel it. I moved to speed goats directly after peregrines and my feet are much happier in that regard. I’m guessing this is for winter? Solomon thunder cross have great grip but are less cushioned. They are waterproof. If you like the peregrines you may want to try the xodus ultra line. I have a pair of xodus ultra 2 ice or shield or winter or whatever they branded it as that I bought and really like. Only ran in them once or twice as I’m saving them for winter (I think it’ll roughly coincide with when my speedgoats start to fail).

I want to echo what this person is saying about the comfortability on longer runs. The bottom of my feet get pretty tender if I do over 12-15 miles in peregrines. Also, the lugs / soles (I don’t know the right term, but the grip on the bottom) on both of mine ripped off between 80-95 miles of use. Really disappointing. I run on some rocky terrain for sure, but not like I’m running on granite. Saucony did replace them quickly and pretty hassle free, but it was annoying.

I really was a fan of the Peregrines for years and years but they failed me in the type of terrain you are describing where Scarpa and La Sportiva excel. They are stiff and kind of uncomfortable for long periods of time. That being said, I spent 50ish mile in the Scarpa Spin Infinity and was grateful for the traction. I don’t love them on every day short runs, but have them broken in, in your quiver for loose rocky burly terrain on long ultras.

This is my opinion also! When I tried a pair of VJ's (ultra 2) I could never go back to the peregrine's

Agree with this. I like Peregrines as all round trail shoes. but i think the Mafate Speed 4 is better, and the grip in Peregrine is proper thick mud or wet rocks is not good enough

I've had both. The Exodus Ultras have more cushion. They are now my favorite trail shoe. Peregrines are good too.

I’m rocking some Saucony Perigrines. I’m only 4 days in, but blisters aside, they’ve been pretty comfy thus far.

I still like peregrines for 50km distance, and speedgoats start feeling not cushioned enough once you hit 100km! I haven’t tried the others though. But it also depends on terrain and personal preference! Both peregrine and speedgoats are pretty grippy, so great for technical terrain. Speed goats are the most comfortable on the downhill, especially if technical or steep. I’ll happily deal with less comfort/cushion but more secure footing. I used to hate speed goats for uphill because they’re so chonky that I felt like I couldn’t get onto my tippy toes on steep climbs. But now I’m used to them and I’m happy with how they fare in longer ultras. On shorter distances around 50km, feet can handle more so I am more likely to go with shoes where I have better ground feel. So peregrine for technical terrain, and hoka zinal for non-technical!

The saucony peregrine have to be the worst performing shoes on wet rock I have ever used. Idk if it’s their rubber or the lugs but they are so slippery

I use kinvaras on the road and peregrine on trails, I find the peregrine has a similar feel.

Had this happen with some Peregrines last year. Agreed. Look into shoes with Vibram outsole.

I put 130 miles on a pair of peregrines and hate them. Most uncomfortable shoes I have ever worn. My toes go numb, heels get blisters. Worst shoes ever!

I have a pair and I like them

I have the same issue with my Salomon Thundercross when there's stream crossings, I usually just stop, take them off, drain the water and then continue. The good thing is that mud and dirty practically never gets in though and other than water they breath just enough for muddy cold weather. If you want something with better breathability its just a matter of fact that dirt and mud will also get in. I used Saucony Peregrines for summer runs with stream crossings and they worked great but are not too cushioned for longer distances. Perhaps the Xodus work better.

I love my Xodus Ultras for anything longer than a marathon. I also have Peregrines but they have a much shorter stack and are better for shorter races.

I switched from Speedgoats to Xodus Ultras a couple years ago and haven't looked back. No issue with Speedgoats, they just never seem to go on sale and I was able to find Xodus Ultras on clearance for around $50 (so now I have a closet full of them). Plus, Saucony's customer service was super on point when a pair of Peregrines I had went to shit less than 200 miles in.

peregrines immediately went into my casual shoe/work around the house shoe. i did not care for them at all for trails

I use Saucony Peregrines. Comfortable, yes. Durable, no.

I usually buy whichever one is cheapest. You can still get 11’s for like $65. I’m good with them until about 12 miles then my feet hurt. I have the xodus ultra as well and they are much better for fatigue, but you sacrifice ground feel and I won’t use them on trails with a lot of exposed roots. I think the peregrines are pretty good for the money my only complaint is they take forever to dry out.

Cascadias if you must stay with Brooks. I prefer Sauconys for the trails - either Peregrine or the Xodus Ultras

Sauconys and Cape Town don't mix well together. I've had three pairs of Peregrines and the grip always starting peeling/ripping off, rather than the typical abrasive wear. For some they still work great though 🤷‍♂️ Anyways, the store you brought it from may be able to sort you out with a warranty claim through Saucony. I had a very good experience with RUN store in such a situation.

When it comes to preventing ankle sprains for me, the stack height made the biggest difference. Currently my set is inov8 trailfly 270, altra superior and saucony peregrine.  But that's the other side of the spectrum to super shoes 

I’ve never been to a parkrun that “needed” trail shoes, which one do you typically run? That said, I do (or did, I’ve been rather lazy) wear trail shoes to one of my local parkruns. I wear a UK men’s 13.5 or 14 depending upon brand, so your mileage may vary, but I particularly like Saucony Peregrine and Altra Lone Peak shoes. The peregrines are bigger and heavier but I find them very grippy and comfortable to wear. The Lone Peaks are less grippy but are lighter, flatter and have a large toe box (Altras USP is they sell “foot shaped” shoes). Ideally you’d go to a local running shop and try a few on. They offer free “gait analysis” it’s mostly just nonsense designed to get you to buy unnecessary “stability” shoes, but it does at least give you the opportunity to run on a treadmill with the shoes on to see how they feel Edit: in the UK sportsshoes.com are often a good place to look for cheaper shoes. They have the Altra lone Peaks from £70 (though the wide fitting one is £115) and the peregrines are about the same price. The trouble is they’re often limited in sizing - for example they don’t stock the peregrines in an E width. It’s worth trying them on in person, particularly the Lone Peaks, or any similar “foot shaped” shoes, since you might find they’re naturally wider and you don’t need the E width in those models.

I have Saucony Peregrines that I used for snow on roads, paths etc and dry non technical trail. Solomon Spike Cross that I used on any sort of snow covered hills, they are basically a Speedcross with metal studs but they fit narrow. And Hoka Mafate Speed 4 for more technical trails, they grip in dry to mild mud like velcro and are well cushioned. The Peregrines are low stack, flexible and not very cushioned, but feel very stable, they just lack grip for steep downhills. The Spikecross grip in snow and make traversing hills securely a breeze, but they fit narrow for me. The Mafate Speed 4 is a highstack very cushioned, stiff sole, but it does have a little roll to it.

I learned this the hard way. I wore them for a mountain ultra with steep descents. I felt like I had no traction and lost hours on the downhills after doing very well on the climbs. But I loved how light and how stable they are.

I'm a PNW runner too. My litmus test is always running over a slick wooden trail bridge once theyve got the wet season algae slime on them. Peregrines aren't the best but they never sent me skating.

Puma MagMax Nitro would be a good option off the top of my head. Grippier outsole than you’d get out of the Novablast or Rebels. Though the thing you have to consider is grass tends to hold on to water and get dewy, so even with the best outsole rubber, most traditional running shoes will still give you slippage issues. Closest thing as far as what you’re looking for is a road shoe with Gore-Tex. Nike Pegasus 41 Gore-Tex (Pegasus Trail 5 is similar but not the same), Brooks Ghost 16 GTX, Brooks Adrenaline GTS 23 GTX, or Hoka Clifton 9 GTX. Many of these are listed as waterproof/winterproof road shoes, but they’re the same road shoe models, just with Gore-Tex outsole material to better deal with wet surfaces and light mud. A mud running shoe would be best though. Hoka Speedgoat, Salomon Speedcross, Merrill Agility Peak, or Saucony Peregrine. I tried running on wet grass in regular road shoes once many years ago, and it was traumatizing to say the least. You only need one split lip and concussion to let you know it’s not a good idea.

I'm on my fifth(?) pair of Peregrines. They have been a total game changer, and I run them until they fall apart and then get another pair. Lightweight, the toe protection seems good as I run on rocky trails, and the sole is sturdy. I can find them at times on sale for $60-70?

I’ve had numerous versions of the shoe and love them all. I find they’re a great goldilocks shoe - they’re not too minimalist, not too bulky.

The peregrine is a great goldilocks shoe. I’ve had many versions and have loved them all. Don’t think you can go wrong with it.

Yeah they’re expensive but people regularly talk about putting well in excess of 1,000KM through them. They’re durable shoes. Expensive? Absolutely. Meanwhile my Saucony Peregrines, about a third of the price but are absolutely thrashed by 400-500kms. So in a way, they can pay for themselves compared to other shoes. But yes there are certainly more cost effective options.

I have two pairs I switch between, both trail sneakers, depending on whether or not I have my car or the wifes. Saucony Peregrine and the Merrell trail glove. Both excellent, and you can get an older model a year or two out for a steal if you're not too picky about colors. I'll change up the laces for a color pop if they're bland. The Peregrine is more of a traditional style with deeper lugs I'll try to wear if it is a bit muddy, and the Trail Gloves are low profile snug fitting, more like barefoot style.

Was a speedgoat fan as well. Went to Saucony Peregrine. Been pretty good. Now going down the salomon rabbit hole.

Peregrines are great shoes. Updates are not always an improvement to the shoe in my experience. I just snag up the previous year’s model at a discount and give em hell. Served me well so far.

Just got into a pair of saucony peregrines and they rock so far. Have fun shopping

salomon speed cross: unmatched traction and high cushion, not super stable though saucony peregrine: great grip with deep lugs similar to the speecross, not as cushioned but more stable hoka speedgoats: good balance of stability, traction, and cushion, but if you’re running consistently on sharp rocky terrain they are gonna fall apart. their foam is notoriously easy to break down and tear altra experience wild: great cushion and stability, tread isn’t as aggressive but still grips on a wide range of surfaces, doesn’t run quite as wide as some other altras which may be a good thing for you to get a more secure fit la sportiva bushido ii/iii: my personal fav of the shoes mentioned, universally grippy on all surfaces, best lateral stability and rigid support, cushion is a bit lacking but not the worst

Rocks : Topo or anything with this great vibram soles Mud : saucony peregrine or Salomon s-lab

I ran a super in saucony peregrines and they worked great

peregrine is a great line. would definitley suggest any version

I've had a new pair for almost 8 months, and the front of the bottom sole on the right foot is peeling Otherwise, they're really solid for the trail quality wise. Disappointed they won't last the full mileage in comparison to my other choice, the Omni.

I’ve been using Peregrines as my primary trail shoe for about a decade now. I’ve had some durability issues (mainly splitting on the sides), but overall they’re my shoe of choice for both trail running and hiking. They don’t feel super heavy to me and they dry pretty quickly.

Salomon Genesis work as good road to trails, deal with mud well and i've used up to marathon with no issues as they're well cushioned. Saucony ultra or peregrines - ultras are more cushioned and great road to trail but peregrines are find for short road sections and have a slightly deeper lug and deal with mud and wet grass really well. Peregrines are also my choice of mountain shoe so work well, did a 100k in them and only had some foot pain from minimal cushioning at 50ish miles in! Just got the Nike Zegama 2 and they are fab so far! Managed well in mud, snow, slush and are really cushioned. Need to try them out on more technical terrain but all good so far. They have the react foam so they give a lot of bounce on packed trail and road. Inov8 trailfly i find good on rock and grass, less so on mud, and a bit firm on road, but not terrible.

I have been a Saucony fan for over 20 years at this point. Ever since I dipped into real trail/road shoes and let go of my Nike way of thinking. #Rubbish I’ve been trail/ultra running in the Peregrine’s. This has been a fantastic shoe from upper to cushion to traction* to toe box to miles (kms), but… somewhere around 4 or 5 the sole did change to a harder rubber, less protective plate (might be the gaps folks have spoken of). The sharp rocks did push through and it was greatly noticeable. Alas, I have continued. The 13’s came out and I really enjoyed them. The toe box actually did feel more roomy than past models. The sole grip is great IMO but again, rocky treacherous 100k and 50k races would be more enjoyable if the protection was back to days of old. And then during a race in September the mid sole of one pulled right off with less than 200 km on them. Again, the 5’s made a sole change. It feels like the 13’s made a sole change. All not for the better. I guess we’ll see where the 15’s take me this year. SIDE NOTE: I used to love the Kinvaras but they have gone in drastically different directions and I now run in Rides for my road efforts.

Altra are stupid loose at the heel and not really that widefoot, just at the toes. I found Saucony Peregrine's at a local running store and have better luck at the smaller stores instead of the chains in general. They often bring in the more interesting stuff. Innov8 might also suit you. RunRepeat has a bunch of actual measurements to compare with and reviews

They've been my go-to for about a decade. My only issue has been they're not the best on downhills in muddy conditions. There's a decent amount of posts on this sub about the newer models having poor durability, but that hasn't been a problem for me.

Yeah I loved the earlier Speedgoats but started going off them from V3. Mafate Speed has become my go to. Good all rounder, durable upper, more comfortable than the Speedgoats (which now feels clunky to in comparison) but I race in them too. Saucony Peregrine used to fit that niche for me but they got a bit too firm and racy for me again (which I think is what people originally liked about them but I got into them in a comfier, plusher period).

I use trail runner shoes. I rotate between my saucany peregrine for a lighter shoe with little support and my Adidas terrax gravity pro when I need more insulation. I also have an rei set that's worth mentioning, but it rubs my heel. It's in between the two I listed.

I’ve broke the same ankle twice, I can’t wear high stack shoes. Personally I’ve found the saucony peregrine are great. Also considering trying the hoka torrent 4

Whatever brand fits your feet best. All the big brands are similar with a light weight upper and foam sole. Most important thing is they are comfy, and then you can nitpick preferences like how stiff the sole is, the drop from heel to toe, and how much cushion you want. I prefer a stiffer sole for walking over roots and uneven rocks and personally really liked the Brooks Cascadia for the additional support. Lots of others swear by Altra but they are a much lighter more flexible shoe and a little too wide for my feet. I also really liked the Saucony Peregrine.

Try the Saucony Peregrine, it will not have the speed roll geometry you like in the EP4, but I have found that their shoes fit fairly consistently across different lines / models. They are a solid option to get into trail running!

I like the Peregrines for shorter distances as well. Not bad as a door to trail shoe. If I’m looking at 10 miles or more, I’m definitely going with my Xodus Ultra 2’s. More padding, better and more secure lacing and an all around more comfortable shoe for me. Xodus Ultra is designed specifically for those longer distances.

I have Peregrines specifically to wear when it's muddy/snowy.

5mm lugs for non-technical? I only use Peregrines when it's muddy or snowy.

Altra LP, Saucony Perigrine, Topo MT or Terraventures, Brooks Cascadia, and the list goes on. I am biased for Altra Lone Peaks for its ultimate comfort. The Olympus are a bit chunky for trails in my opinion but it is up to you to try them on and decide. Altra LP are comfortable out of the box. The outsole is durable and work well for most conditions. If you run on wet trails, find a shoe with Vibram outsole (Olympus for Altra). IMO, on trails the lower the drop the better. The zero drop is very unnoticeable. Most moderate and harder trails are constantly changing under foot, having a drop of greater than 4mm for me is detrimental for stability. If you are running easy trails or gravel paths a regular road shoe will be fine. The advantages of a trail shoe are foot protection, water drainage and grip. Otherwise a pair of road shoe can handle flat paths of gravel or packed dirt just fine. Go to a specialty store and try try, try. Remember sales associates can give good advice......but they can also be misinformed or biased. They can recommend but you need to make the decision based on your preferences.

I tried the Saucony Peregrines one year and it’s likely the only shoe I’ll get for my hiking trips now. My feet don’t hurt in them, they’re comfortable, and the grip from the bi-directional, arrow shaped, tread on the bottom is pretty good. When I go on my trips I like to hike around 10 miles, and I love going to the top of mountains. When in doing that, I know the biggest thing I don’t have to worry about are my shoes and whether my feet will be killing me half way through, because I know they won’t be.

Mine just got here today. It’s the third time in a row getting the Saucony Peregrines. They’re comfortable, have good grip on the bottom, breathe decently, light enough for me. and they fit me really well.

Always take reviews with a grain of salt. Your Saucony Edge look fine. Yes the outsole durability is not great, but you still have an another 500km of wear to go before they are dead. The Edge outsole was an outlier in durability.  Any other shoe will probably be better.  At the same time, run 300km over granite in ANY shoe and it will show a lot of wear.  Honestly, the Peregrine is probably a great pick because of the depth of tread, and because the rubber is harder and less sticky.  Less sticky is usually good for durability, but less desirable for situations where trails get vertical and you grip becomes critical.  

Same exact thing happened to my peregrines. Such a bummer

My peregrines are great for everything except wet smooth stone slab, which there’s a lot of where I run

Getting used to low (or none) heel-to-toe drop takes some times and calf muscles. I’d give the Saucony Peregrine another try. I love them.

Saucony Peregrines for me too. I have their Edge Pro and Ride TR, but I love the peregrines the best

I scramble all summer on gabbro in a pair of Peregrines or Xodus' and they do *not* look like yours, even though the lugs and rockplate windows look similar; they have a few cuts in the lugs but nothing as bad as those you have. Either the rubber on your outsole is a different compound to my shoes or you have a lemon, IMO. Saucony rubber is a bit shit but that looks wrong, even for Saucony.

The peregrines give me tight calves -> shin splint feelings. Do you think the Xodus Ultras would be a better match? I love my Saucony Ride 17 as well as the Endorphin Speed so much (and would love to stay with the brand tbh!)

For me at least they're worth the markup because they last. They're $300 CDN full price compared to about $200 for (e.g.) Speedgoats, but they last 2-3 times as long. They're grippy, wide toe box, relatively minimalist and generally a great shoe. Previously ran in Peregrines which I also loved bit consistently blew out the uppers at around 400km.

Saucony peregrines work well on both. My new balance trail runners are awful on the road.

Ive been a trail runner convert for a decade and walked multi day hikes. Saucony peregrine, La sportiva and salomon are all good. It really is down to what fits and the grippiness of their sole rubber.

Saucony peregrine are reasonably priced and are good hikers.

Look at the Salomon Genesis rather - it is more an all-terrain shoe than the Ride. Have a look at the new Norvan LD4 too Peregrine is a good all purpose shoe (hopefully they fixed the wet grip) Trabuco 13