Saucony - Peregrine 13

Happy Peregrine 13 owner here as well

I also thought the 13s were good shoes had lots of confidence with them although I didn’t like the foam in the rear, wore through quickly and then you get rocks in it. Still very good shoes used them till the tread wore smooth even with the odd rock poking me

My advice would be counter to the direction you are currently leaning in. I prefer shoes with low stack height and minimal cushioning. Instead of relying on that to protect your knees and ankles ease into running, start short and slow, and allow your body to make the necessary adaptations. Because it will do so if you let it and part of letting it is not having giant pillows under your feet. IMO your loose ankles and sore knee may not be an affliction you have to live with forever but rather a symptom of lack of strength, something that trail running with good form and a bit of strength training can resolve. That may not be the case here, be cautious and listen to your body but it probably is I like saucony peregrines I recommend you check them out if you decide to go this route. There are other good options too just look for low stack height and an outsole to match the terrain you ll be on

Lower stack height will make all the difference. Good outsole also important of course. Hokas are made for going slow or groomed trails. Saucony peregrines are great or la sportiva bushidos are another decent option if your feet arent too wide.

I love my Peregrine 13. Good support, good traction on most trails, even when muddy, and barely feel small rocks. My summit unknown and s/Lab Ultra are great for shorter distance as they are light, but also have less support. The Unknown has the best grip I've ever had, but they also seem to be discontinued 😔. The s/lab are stiff and drain really well. These three are also the only trail shoes I've ever had, so take that for what it's worth. My only regret is getting the peregrine goretex version. Completely unnecessary and puts more stress on my toe nails. Live and learn.

As long as they keep making the peregrine as a LOW STACK trail shoe, I will keep buying it.

NB rebel v5 for the roads, Saucony peregrine for daily trails, and Topo ultraventure for long runs/races

5'11 207 lb beefy boi trail runner here.. I do most my training and daily miles in saucony peregrine's. The midsole is firm-ish and really lasts a long while compared to other shoes I've tried.

I'm only speaking for myself here, but I prefer low stack shoes (peregrines, sense rides, lone peaks)

Peregrine 15 and up for me. The 16 has a vibram megagrip outsole, so it should be a lot better than previous versions on damp rocks/bridges. The 12s were decent, the 13's were terrible.

j’ai eux la peregrine 12/13  impeccable mais la 14 beaucoup de problèmes ,Saucony n’a pas respecté les tailles,ducoup si fais du 44 il faut prendre 44,5.Problème de frottement au talon même avec la bonne taille.Bref elle n’est pas conçu comme  la peregrine 12 et 13 .Pouf moi celle la est un raté

11 Road: - Saucony Endorfine Speed 3 (retired) - Adidas Takumi Sen 8 (intervals, ~5k races) - 2x Adidas Evo SL (daily trainer, 3rd pair ready to go) - Adidas Pro 4 (just used for a HM) - ASICS Superblast 2 (used for long runs, ultras, dislike) - Brooks Adrenaline 22 (retired, just for hikes) Trail: - Saucony Peregrine 13 (stiff, only when muddy) - Hoka Speedgoat 5 (have miles left, but Zegama are infinitely more comfortable - sort of retired) - Nike Zegama 2 (daily trail trainer / trail ultras, new pair ready to go) - Adidas Agravic Speed ultra (short trail races, gives me heel blisters)

Saucony Peregrine 13. They just made running seem so... Fun?

I also run primarily in Kinvaras and the Peregrines are my main trail shoe. You get used to it. Like someone else said, you're usually going so much slower and if you're like me, you're also carrying a vest with first aid and food, so it doesn't really matter.

And your own feet.  I wore Saucony Peregrines for my 50 k, but a lot of people wouldn't enjoy that.

I don't think anyone else thinks Saucony Peregrines have "a decent amount of cushioning." Most people would never run an ultra in them for that reason (though I did, just a 50k). I have a bad ankle but my issue is rolling outwards. Saucony Peregrines feel good and secure for me as long as I do heel lock (which I do on all shoes) and tighten the laces. I feel comfortable bombing down hills in them.

Peregrines are considered to not have much cushioning, they're relatively firm with good ground feel. They're not minimalist but they're low stack and low drop.

Those are my exact two pair of trail shoes, pairs I bought specifically because I don't like cushioning. Not much out there other than barefoot shoes are as low stack as Bushidos. Peregrines DON'T have "a decent amount of cushion." Bushidos just have even less.

That's a way higher stack than Peregrines which is the opposite of OP needs.

The two trail runners I really like are La Sportiva Bushido 2 (except they're slightly too narrow for my toes so I can't only wear the thinnest socks and I had to stop using them for longer runs), and Saucony Peregrines (except they're a little shorter than expected so I had to size up another 0.5 compared to my road Saucony). They're both firm, lower cushioning, lower stack (6 and 4 mm) with good traction. Peregrines are infamously not durable so I wouldn't wear them all around town, just for hiking and trail rubbing, but they're very comfortable. Personally I wore them for my ultra.

I'm still running in 13s and have no problem after 350 km.

Yeah I have 13s and they're fine. The pair I wore for my ultra is at 350 km and I still think of them as new.

I strongly disagree. I wear Saucony pretty much exclusively (Kinvara, Ride, Speed, Peregrine) and I CAN'T wear Salomon at all. They don't work with my feet. I've tried several times and I get blisters within 5 km with every model I've tried. So if Salomon works for you, great, but as a Kinvara lover, Peregrine is my only answer. They're both 4mm drop and minimally cushioned and I like them both a lot.

I get that blisters on my arch. Salomon have much more prominent arch support which doesn't work with my feet.

Had had the peregrine and they were good for short distance but by about 13 miles in my feet were shot bc the sole was hard and the feet took a beating. I like a softer sole to cushion though.

I have >150 miles in the Tomir 2.0 and previously ran in the Xodus Ultra 1 and 2, and Peregrine 13. Also >500 miles in 2 pairs of the Endorphin Edge. Typically run on hard packed rocky trails. First 50-70 or so miles in the Tomir 2.0 felt a bit narrow in the forefoot/toebox. Not a big issue for short runs, moderately uncomfortable for longer runs. Loosening the laces helped a bit. After 70 miles, the insole has packed down and the upper fabric has loosened so they are generally fine for me on longer runs. I know it's not a case of my feet acclimating to being squeezed because my road shoes were squeezing my feet the whole time until I replaced them recently with the wider Mount to Coast R1. I've done several 20+ mile >4,000 foot runs in the Tomir 2.0 with some moderately technical sections, no width related issues anymore. The cushioning is on the firm side and took some getting used to. Endorphin Edge generally felt like a straight upgrade to the Xodus, lighter and faster feeling at higher paces. Some reviewers reported stability issues but I suspect it's due to (1) the Endorphin Edge being too wide for people who run in Hokas and Nikes, (2) high/max stack, and (3) the Endorphin Edge's plate. In my use, I had to slow down slightly on the looser and more technical downhills particularly when making turns but was notably faster with less effort and more comfort everywhere else. Main downside is that it's a struggle for me to get 300 miles out of a pair because the outsole peeled where the cutouts are, and that the outsole material itself doesn't flex well so I've lost chunks of outsole. It was worth the money when on sale but might be harder to find now. I just pre ordered the Mount to Coast T1 and am hoping it will be a good ultra shoe for me. I've had their R1 road shoes for some time and it fits and runs well for me.

I have ~100 miles in the Tomir 2 and ran extensively in the Endorphin Edge, Peregrine, Xodus Ultra, and Speedgoat. For me, the Tomir 2.0 is most like the Peregrine but with better traction. I wouldn't use the Peregrine in anything over a marathon and ditto with the Tomir 2.0. The main selling point of the Tomir 2 to me is better traction and overall shoe life (remains to be seen) since my Peregrines were done after 270 miles on my usual rocky trails. Of these, I like the Endorphin Edge the most and used it for my recent races and long runs. Outsole life and traction need improvement though, I've straight up lost chunks of outsole.

There isn't a best because user preferences and characteristics vary so you really gotta try them. Even then, some shoes fit and perform notably differently when new vs when you have 50 miles in them. I like the Peregrines but go for the Endorphin Edge and Rift when I want more cushioning and the Nnormal Tomir 2 when I want better grip. My Peregrines have nearly 250 miles of very rough terrain on them so they're about toast.