Saucony - Peregrine 13 ST

I usually lean towards lower stack and firmer cushioning shoes with at least 4.5+ mm lugs/tread. There used to be more commonly available soft ground options like the Altra King MT and Saucony Peregrine 13 ST but these may be harder to find. I've had good results with the regular Peregrine in the sense that they work better than high stack shoes like the Speedgoat, but they aren't optimized for soft ground.

I have ~100 miles in the Tomir 2 and ran extensively in the Endorphin Edge, Peregrine, Xodus Ultra, and Speedgoat. For me, the Tomir 2.0 is most like the Peregrine but with better traction. I wouldn't use the Peregrine in anything over a marathon and ditto with the Tomir 2.0. The main selling point of the Tomir 2 to me is better traction and overall shoe life (remains to be seen) since my Peregrines were done after 270 miles on my usual rocky trails. Of these, I like the Endorphin Edge the most and used it for my recent races and long runs. Outsole life and traction need improvement though, I've straight up lost chunks of outsole.

I prefer relatively light weight low to medium stack shoes with cushioning on the medium-firm side like the Peregrine, Torrent, and Topo MT. There are lower stack and lighter shoes out there but the above are just the ones I've used and liked. Most snow in my area is soft even when packed so shoe cushioning isn't needed. Lower stack for better balance, firmer cushioning for less energy loss to the ground so it doesn't feel like I'm slowing down too much. Light weight to partially offset the penalty of spikes/traction device for snow that is hard frozen and slippery.

There isn't a best because user preferences and characteristics vary so you really gotta try them. Even then, some shoes fit and perform notably differently when new vs when you have 50 miles in them. I like the Peregrines but go for the Endorphin Edge and Rift when I want more cushioning and the Nnormal Tomir 2 when I want better grip. My Peregrines have nearly 250 miles of very rough terrain on them so they're about toast.

I really like the rift. Also I just scored a pair of saucony peregrine 13 st very cheap (<50€) which I hope to use for muddy runs with their 6.5mm lugs

Hated them, could never get the lockdown right, gave me horrendous blisters (the heel is very roomy), sucked on dry rock let alone wet rock. A bit of a shame as I love my Saucony road shoes. Other alternatives if you are looking for something fast the new VJ lightspeeds are great if a bit narrow but comfortable up to 30km haven't gone longer in them. Scott supertrac RC 2 good all-round shoe especially in winter slop and last 500+miles. Speedgoats great shoe though not that great in the mud, very protective and a good fun shoe. Salomon Genesis is a good shoe, not amazing in the mud (s/lab version is much better) but is a fun shoe especially on technical terrain and protective for fire roads and good in rock.

Inov8 trailfly / trailtalon Saucony Xodus or Peregrine (ST version is soft terrain and has more aggressive lugs) Hoka Speedgoat VJ Maxx 2 Scarpa Spin ST Not enough traction in mud: Altra lone peak, new Balance Hierro, inov8 parkclaw

There's going to be a compromise: you need aggressive lugs for snow and mud, but aggressive lugs aren't comfortable on road and wear down faster. So you need to decide for yourself what's more important to you and then choose the shoe accordingly. Examples of trail shoes with less aggressive lugs good for running on road: Inov8 Parkclaw, New Balance Hierro. Examples of trail shoes with aggressive lugs good for optimal grip in mud: Salomon Speedcross, INOV8 Mudclaw, ST version of the Saucony Peregrine. Many trail shoes including the regular (non-ST) version of the Peregrine are in between these two extremes.

There isn’t a shoe that will work well in fells and road. You’ll have to sacrifice one or the other. There’s unfortunately no shoe that does it all. NVII Terra TT, VJ Xtrm have a bit nicer protection than Inov8s while being a proper hill shoe with superb grip. Various Scott Supertrac versions have more cushioning but they often have a very “dead” feeling on the road. Saucony Peregrine ST are very decent in mud but not so good on the rock and feel a bit burly. More than decent on the road as far as shoes go. Hoka Mafate/Tecton are great on more groomed trails but wouldn’t be my choice for most hill races in Scotland. Ditto on Saucony Xodus.

LS Prodigio, Merrell Agility Peak and Topo MTN Racer as my go-tos. LS Bushido for techy shorter stuff. Saucony Peregrine ST for mud. Old pair of Cascadias with screws for the snow and ice.

I've never had peregrines last all that long going back to the 5s I started with. I don't find the traction to be bad on wet rocks though.

I have a couple of road shoes and a trail shoe. The current batch I got was Saucony Peregrine 13, Saucony Omni 21, and Topo Flilyte 5.  I'm not doing a ton of trail running right now since I am mostly pushing a double stroller. The peregrines are for anything off pavement. The Omnis were to try since they were in clearance. The Topos were to replace the previous Brooks Launch and be a lightweight travel/run shoe. 

I loved the performance of the peregrine 13s but that soft foam in the middle of the heel completely ruins them.

Saucony Peregrine 13. They just made running seem so... Fun?

I have the Peregrine 13s and love them. Have you tried any of their road shoes, specifically the Kinvara? It looks to be the road version of the peregrine (4mm drop).

For road running, if there's snow/ice I use my trail shoes. For trail running there's no real difference. My trail shoes are Saucony Peregrine 13s.

The Saucony Peregrines are the best trail shoes I've ever had. Responsive, durable, tough, and light. I actually use my old pairs as road shoes once the treads wear down.

Personally I'm not a fan of Goretex (or any waterproof) trail running shoe - water will still get in, and then it just sits there. Get something easily drainable and breathable. E.g. Saucony Peregrines.

I run through rivers or in my Saucony Peregrines - my feet get wet for a minute or so and then dry themselves. If you run through snow/puddles in GTX, the water will come in over the lip and pool up inside your shoe.

I'd say it depends on the type of surface you're running on and conditions. I've found the 13s to be good summer shoes, but they're a liability on wet rock and grip is poor in any type of mud. As I'm running in Scotland that's conditions for a lot of the year for me!

This was my experience too. If you have a jagged rocky trail, you may want more cushion. If you don’t need that, it’s agile, light, grippy on the uphills, spritely on the downhills. I’m on my second pair of 13s now.

Had had the peregrine and they were good for short distance but by about 13 miles in my feet were shot bc the sole was hard and the feet took a beating. I like a softer sole to cushion though.

There are so many different trail shoes out there that I like to try different pairs when I get new ones, the problem with this is I don’t really know how they will be during longer races. They can feel great for 3-4 hours, but it’s hard to tell how my feet will feel after 8+ hours so I thought I would list the ones I have tried and see what you guys think. Saucony Endorphin Edge- My current “race” shoe. I got them on sale. I wore for shorter distances and they are fine, then I wore them for 2 different 50k and they gave me heel blisters both times. Saucony Peregrine 13- I like these, light, comfortable, but worried about how they would feel after 30+ miles. Saucony Xodus Ultra- I really liked these, but I had them when I wasn’t running as many miles. Also the 3’s have mixed reviews so that makes me nervous to try. Hoka Speedgoat 5- These felt just too chunky. They were comfortable, but just too big. Salomon Ultra Glide 2- These are just fine. I don’t like or hate them, just ok. Also I did a road 50 mile with Saucony Endorphin 3 Pro and my feet were fine, no problems at all. Also my feet are average/narrow so a wide toe box is not a big deal. I was thinking of trying the Nnormal Tomir 2 or Topo’s, but I don’t know anyone who has actually had these and if I’m just being hooked by the marketing, of course sponsored athletes will hype them up. Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance!

There are so many different trail shoes out there that I like to try different pairs when I get new ones, the problem with this is I don’t really know how they will be during longer races. They can feel great for 3-4 hours, but it’s hard to tell how my feet will feel after 8+ hours so I thought I would list the ones I have tried and see what you guys think. Saucony Endorphin Edge- My current “race” shoe. I got them on sale. I wore for shorter distances and they are fine, then I wore them for 2 different 50k and they gave me heel blisters both times. Saucony Peregrine 13- I like these, light, comfortable, but worried about how they would feel after 30+ miles. Saucony Xodus Ultra- I really liked these, but I had them when I wasn’t running as many miles. Also the 3’s have mixed reviews so that makes me nervous to try. Hoka Speedgoat 5- These felt just too chunky. They were comfortable, but just too big. Salomon Ultra Glide 2- These are just fine. I don’t like or hate them, just ok. Also I did a road 50 mile with Saucony Endorphin 3 Pro and my feet were fine, no problems at all. Also my feet are average/narrow so a wide toe box is not a big deal. I was thinking of trying the Nnormal Tomir 2 or Topo’s, but I don’t know anyone who has actually had these and if I’m just being hooked by the marketing, of course sponsored athletes will hype them up. Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance!

13s have more cushioning then 12s - so it depends what you're looking for.

Peregrine are my favorite trail shoes. They just fit my feet very well so I’ve stuck with the line for about 8 years. I don’t remember which design was the 11 but I do know it’s an older model. I think they’re are up to 14 now. I use the 13 currently and it has been one of the more durable models. The 12’s fell apart very quickly for me. I like the low drop, integrated tongue, and tread design. The tread on the 13 is good at giving traction without holding on to mud.

I have the 13’s and ordering a pair of 12’s. The newer ones have a wider exposed midsole on the heel and they tend to split and allow rocks in. I had my 13’s processed as defective and sent a new pair of Xodus Ultra. I still wear my 13’s and would buy more knowing it’s a problem. The earlier models don’t have that issue it seems as the split is next to nothing on those.

I’ll second this. Get the 14’s and if they split they’ll replace them with the 15’s. I still wear my 13’s despite the split.

As someone who's owned 4 different versions of the Peregrine and had no major complaints about any of them, I can't recommend the Kinvara. I've tried both the 13 and 14. The 13 seemed to be a little better but I just can't get along with the 14. I'm not sure what it is. Perhaps its the increased stack height between the two or that they just don't seem to fit my foot well. I've got a wide in the 14 which helps the narrowness of the 13, but they're just not my favorite. They can, however, be relatively inexpensive if you get the previous season's model (I've seen them for \~$50) so its not the end of the world if you buy them and they don't work out.

I've run in Peregrines (11, 12, & 13) and I find the Inov-8 Trailfly (The Standard. Not the Speed. Not the Zero (if you're in the UK)) to ride similarly. They're a 6mm drop instead of a 4mm, but they feel very similar under-foot. The mid-sole is on the firmer-side, but with decent energy return. They have a rock-plate. Grip is great where I run (dry, hardpack, a little rocky). Runs on pavement just fine since the lugs aren't extremely aggressive. They have a relatively wide forefoot. I'd size up at least half size, maybe a full size. I've got about 500 miles on mine, uppers are perfectly intact, but horrendously stained because I bought the white ones since I found them deeply discounted. Outsole is more worn, but still completely intact and functional.

How recently had you tried them? I'd been using them for years hiking, and they were fantastic up until a couple years ago. They changed to a much firmer rubber for the sole, and comparatively the traction is absolute garbage now. Thankfully I was able to find a couple more pairs of the old ones online, so I don't have to give them up yet.

I had maybe 20% of the sole rip away on the peregrine 13 after only 150kms. Just noticed a couple weeks ago and sent pictures to Saucony for a warranty claim and received a brand new pair of peregrine 14s from them a few days ago as a replacement. They may have a weak point there but I just love these!

I use kinvaras on the road and peregrine on trails, I find the peregrine has a similar feel.

I have the 13s. They're great for all arounding in technical terrain but yeah, not very cushioned. For summer trail running they're great, very breathable and dry fast.

I have the same issue with my Salomon Thundercross when there's stream crossings, I usually just stop, take them off, drain the water and then continue. The good thing is that mud and dirty practically never gets in though and other than water they breath just enough for muddy cold weather. If you want something with better breathability its just a matter of fact that dirt and mud will also get in. I used Saucony Peregrines for summer runs with stream crossings and they worked great but are not too cushioned for longer distances. Perhaps the Xodus work better.

Just completed 300 miles in my first pair of 13’s. Held together pretty well but they are pretty much done now. The front sole is worn. The fabric on top however held together very well, my road kinvaras never did - the mesh was always the first to go

So 2024 has ended and I've been training an racing with several trail shoes from Saucony. I am aware that the shoes I've been using are older models, but here are my thoughts: Saucony ride 15 tr. Great door to trail shoe. Use: daily trainer, road, gravel, ligth trails. Pros: very comfortable, durable, lightweight, and a great option for road and easy trails. Cons: not the best lockdown when things get a bit rough (steep, rooty, rocky). Over 913 km from January this year, plus some more km hiking (probably over 1000 km), and still comfortable to run some more. Saucony peregrine 13. Very good on rocky, technical terrain. Use: any trail up to marathon distance. Pros: ligth, very good traction, great stability, superb fit and lockdown, great protection thanks to the rockplate and upper overlays, great midsole for trail running that is also durable. Cons: toe box could be a bit wider for longer distances, outsole does not perform well on wet rock, and the exposed midsole on the heel area is a problem because any sharp rock can split the midsole in two very easily. I was aware of this problem before buying the peregrines but they were on sale. After 150 km both shoes started to split from this area. I had to fix it by applying contact glue, and I ended up "filling" this space with glue to level it to the rest of the outsole. The outsole also has some cutouts to show the rockplate that are likely to peel off very easily on rough terrain. The heel repair is holding up quite well though. Over 401 km from December last year. Saucony Xodus Ultra 2. I bought them for an ultra because I was not sure about the peregrines cushion-wise and since the heel started to split in both shoes. Use: any trail, specially if it's above marathon distance. Pros: very good cushioning that is also fun to run in, well structured and protected, not as stable as the peregrines but good enough for rough trails, roomy toe box for ultras, good traction. Cons: the upper, while good and comfortable, is a bit too complicated (two layers, an elastic lace cover). The outsole does not perform well on wet rock and it has several cutouts which are likely the spots where the outsole will start to peel off from. Over 250 km from june this year.

Hi, I'm on the lookout for a new pair of trail shoes for the races I've scheduled this year, plus the training needed for them. This last 2024 I've been running in peregrines 13 and xodus ultra 2, and I am quite happy, specially with the peregrines, although the outsole durability and grip on wet are main concerns. After watching and reading a lot of shoe reviews, I have narrowed down the candidates to the Salomon Genesis, since durability is also a must. My cuestion is, how good is that shoe? how is the foam? In 2023 I ran in the ultra glides 2 and I remember that the midsole packed out quite soon, at around 250km, while the peregrines have 400 km in them and are still comfortable cushion-wise. I haven't been able to try the genesis on yet, although I have no problem with salomon shoes. One shoe I could try was the speedgoat 6, and I didn't found the foam harsh as a lot of reviews say, quite contrary, I found them cushy and stable, but its tongue design is a no for me. The races I have scheduled will take me around 10-11 hours (66km and 50k), with a ton of vert, so the shoe must have a comfortable foam for the long run. Other candidates are the new Saucony peregrine 15, Nnormal Tomir 2 and the upcoming TNF vective infinite 3. Basically I'm after deep lugs for traction, good lockdown for rather narrow feet, and good cushion without losing ground feel. Any advice will be appreciated!

I'm on my third pair of Mach 6 (wide) for road runs and I'm looking for something with a similar fit for trail runs. I owned several pairs of the Torrent 2 and loved them, but swear they got narrower when they redesigned them as the Torrent 3 and haven't really found a trail shoe I love since. I recently tried Speedgoat 6 in wide, and I generally like them, but after a 70-minute run with about 2k ft of vert in the Marin Headlands, my pinky toe is kind of busted (even with heel lock lacing). Curiously, I ran up Mt. Tam (\~2500 ft, 3.5 miles) then back down a rather steep trail and didn't have issues. I ran the Double Dipsea (14.5 miles, 4.4k ft vert) in the Saucony Peregrine 13 (wide) and got bad blisters on my heels (even with heel lock lacing). I still wear the shoes for long walks on the weekends and like them -- just didn't seem to do well on all those stairs. I haven't had much luck with Topo or Altras. Any recommendations?

You need to go to a running shop and try on shoes. But I have the Hoka Mafate Speed 4 and would never use it in slippery/ muddy conditions. It has nowhere near the grip in those conditions compared to my Saucony Peregrines.

It is a bit hard to see in the photo, but I think I see what you mean. Peregrines have been great for me in general except the 13s were built poorly. I am on my second pair of 15s. But I have heard others complain and warrantied a pair of the 14s. I probably got through 5 pair a year so I figure that rate isn't too bad.

The Xodus is just slightly wider too. Peregrine is my main shoe and fits me perfect, but everyone has different feet and your fit in Xodus may vary from mine. Just something to look for when buying.

I love Altra's zero drop, I have two pairs. I also have Saucony Peregrine 13s though with a 4mm drop, that may work better for you.

I have used 2 pairs of peregrine iso way beyond 600 kilometers and was very happy about them. Hardly any wear and tear on the soles, but started to rip a bit on the side of shoes (when running through sand, not so nice). Currently on my second pair of Peregrine 13, great shoes as well. Have run a couple of marathons and bevond on these. I tried more shoes like salomon speedcross, multiple hoka's but it seems to me that saucony peregrine is the best fit for me, looking forward to trying the peregrine 14 in a short time.

My 12s were amazing and lasted close to 400 miles. But my 2 pairs of 13s blew out in less than 100 miles. Not sure if it was just bad luck, but I hear the 14s are better!

I made the mistake of buying two pairs of peregrine 12 a few years ago. Both got warrantied within 100km and both 13 replacements broke immediately as well. Then they replaced them with one pair of peregrine 14 and between all of them together they lasted shorter than my peregrine 10s

I’ve had good luck thus far getting saucony peregrine 13s, as they’re much cheaper than the 14s which helps offset the price of buying doubles, but I’m also a big saucony fan in general

Yeah they’re expensive but people regularly talk about putting well in excess of 1,000KM through them. They’re durable shoes. Expensive? Absolutely. Meanwhile my Saucony Peregrines, about a third of the price but are absolutely thrashed by 400-500kms. So in a way, they can pay for themselves compared to other shoes. But yes there are certainly more cost effective options.

I like to switch my shoes daily. Saucony Peregine 13s (trails 1-2 times a week) HOKA Cliftons(least favourite shoe, primarily use them for easy runs, 1-2 a week) Saucony Kinvaras (a bit of an ‘everything’ shoe but trails. Primarily rest of week) Saucony Endorphin Speed 2 (once a fortnight and race day) Looking to buy a longer distance trail runner. Love the Peregines but you really start to “feel” it after a half marathon. So on the look out for a “ultra” style trail runner.

I had a Saucony Peregrine 11 which on my third outing the sole began to break (especially the protuberances on the sole) I asked for my money back since it was only 15 km. I recently wanted to try a saucony peregrine 13 again, I have run a little with them but so far the sole looks good

I have a pair of 13s now, after using a pair of 9s I think, for the past 2 years. I use them on runs of 3 to 8 miles on gravelly forest roads and single track trails. They have a good rock plate and work well on rooty, uneven, wet surfaces in my experience. I like my Altra Timps a little better. They’re more cushioned and somehow more ‘fun,’ in my mind. Not sure why. Nothing wrong with the Peregrines.

Grabbed a pair of Saucony Peregine 13 and I loved them. Sturdy but not overly cushioned…. Kinda right amount of stability and cushioning- and good lug traction for the tough spots

I’ve got 13 and 14 - love them, but they can split on the underside of the heel where the foam is exposed. The 15 have new tread patterns that should solve this problem. Saucony is really good about warranty replacement though, so might be worth grabbing the discounted 14.

My Peregrine 13s are splitting on the heels between the lugs. There is an exposed foam section. Seems to be a fairly common problem. The Peregrine 14s have the same exposed foam area.

The heels of mine split after around 350km. Would not buy the 13's again, even though I really liked the feeling of the shoe. It seems like the 14's have a similar sole design on the heal, but I do not know if they have fixed the issue.

I've run (3) 50Ks in Peregrines. Zero issues. Can't speak to 100K in the Peregrines.

The Saucony Peregrine 13 would do the trick and can be had for around $70-$80 - No need for Goretex. Welcome to the PNW!

I've had issues with the 14s. I loved the older models and then the 12s/13s got too soft and lost the toe cap. The 14s fixed this but they're giving me heel blisters on uphills and I've never gotten blisters from running shoes, ever. I tried going up 1/2 a size when my usual 7.5 felt too tights (esp in the heel). While the 8s feel great on flats, I keep getting blisters on uphills. Really bummed because it's been really hard to find anything I like.

I have been a Saucony fan for over 20 years at this point. Ever since I dipped into real trail/road shoes and let go of my Nike way of thinking. #Rubbish I’ve been trail/ultra running in the Peregrine’s. This has been a fantastic shoe from upper to cushion to traction* to toe box to miles (kms), but… somewhere around 4 or 5 the sole did change to a harder rubber, less protective plate (might be the gaps folks have spoken of). The sharp rocks did push through and it was greatly noticeable. Alas, I have continued. The 13’s came out and I really enjoyed them. The toe box actually did feel more roomy than past models. The sole grip is great IMO but again, rocky treacherous 100k and 50k races would be more enjoyable if the protection was back to days of old. And then during a race in September the mid sole of one pulled right off with less than 200 km on them. Again, the 5’s made a sole change. It feels like the 13’s made a sole change. All not for the better. I guess we’ll see where the 15’s take me this year. SIDE NOTE: I used to love the Kinvaras but they have gone in drastically different directions and I now run in Rides for my road efforts.

I have been a Saucony fan for over 20 years at this point. Ever since I dipped into real trail/road shoes and let go of my Nike way of thinking. #Rubbish I’ve been trail/ultra running in the Peregrine’s. This has been a fantastic shoe from upper to cushion to traction* to toe box to miles (kms), but… somewhere around 4 or 5 the sole did change to a harder rubber, less protective plate (might be the gaps folks have spoken of). The sharp rocks did push through and it was greatly noticeable. Alas, I have continued. The 13’s came out and I really enjoyed them. The toe box actually did feel more roomy than past models. The sole grip is great IMO but again, rocky treacherous 100k and 50k races would be more enjoyable if the protection was back to days of old. And then during a race in September the mid sole of one pulled right off with less than 200 km on them. Again, the 5’s made a sole change. It feels like the 13’s made a sole change. All not for the better. I guess we’ll see where the 15’s take me this year. SIDE NOTE: I used to love the Kinvaras but they have gone in drastically different directions and I now run in Rides for my road efforts.

Peregrine 13 here. How do you like the Xodus Ultra’s?

Been using the 13s for the last year and just ordered a pair of the 14s this morning. Good grip on very rocky trails near me, lightweight, no major issues of falling apart. Managed to win my first race in them so sticking with it for now.

I love the peregrines, been running in them for the last 1.5 years in rugged Arizona terrain. Sturdy and grippy. Ran my first trail marathon with them and got third. But they definitely don’t have much cushion. I just ran in the Saucony Xodus for the first time this morning and the cushion was sooooo much better. Normally the sole of my foot gets stabbed with a couple rocks but I didn’t feel a thing jutting into my foot today. Still good responsiveness and super lightweight

My peregrine 13s were absolute work horses. Pity these are bombing out.

Yeah, my 13s lasted almost 700km! At which point the midsole was just so compressed it felt like I was running on sheet metal so retired them to hiking shoe duty.

Love my many Peregrines, but I would not pay full price. 12s fray, and 13s split. Exodus Ultra are narrower than the Peregrine but far more durable, watch them ankles.

Love my many Peregrines, but I would not pay full price. 12s fray, and 13s split. Exodus Ultra are narrower than the Peregrine but far more durable, watch them ankles.

I have had a couple pairs, including a pair of the 13s I currently use. I find them to be a little uncomfortable on longer runs and generally try not to take them over 15 miles--not sure if it's less cushioning or the materials, but they treat my legs much worse than Hoka Speedgoats on long runs. For shorter distances, the grip is great, even on wet ground, and they grab well on rock slab and muddy trails. Toebox is wide and comfy My biggest complaint about the Peregrines: in both pairs (ISO and v13), the upper has started to rip out near my small toe with <200 miles on the shoes. I haven't bothered reaching out to Saucony about repairs but it's always a bit of a bummer when shoes fall apart relatively early.

I had a pair of peregrine 13s that were some of my favorites but sucked when you bash them toes. Got a new pair of the 15s MDW on sale for 104. Way better toe box and toe guard? And imo better lugs Than the 13s. Gone through 2 pairs of the ultra 2. One of my favorite shoes in terms of comfort and not too high of stack. Not sure how the latest ones are. Both shoes great all around for all terrain. Just always found the grip was poor in slippery stuff, aka slick rock. If they’d just put vibram on, I’d probably not use other shoes

I really enjoy the 15s and a noticeably larger toe box. Had the 13s and really liked them too. I will say i think the 13s had some better foam, a little more bounce. maybe it’s the stack height (haven’t compared), But overall I’ve been very satisfied

I use both shoes during my last two races. Always started in the tomir and finished in the peregrines. I actually don’t have many complaints with the tomir and will likely try out the new kerag. I’ve used Peregrines in my rotation for a few years and the 15 have a little more toe room for me and i like the lower stack, always liked sauconys foam. I’d be all over a peregrine if they made them with 4mm lugs

I had the 13, felt very comfortable. I also went down half a size. I also experienced some heel rubbing at the end of their lifetime. The heel lock shoe lacing is helping when this happens. Felt quite confident tackling technical terrain and running downhill. Although I was careful when it was wet, they have a bad grip on wet rocks but most shoes struggle here and I don't think the sole is designed for that. My biggest problem with them was longevity.... I run in Norway on varied terrain but often rocky and technical. The sole literally split in two after "only" 400 km... I can pass my finger through it and touch my heel now.

Thanks for the review. Have the Kierag 1.0 was a bit worried when I read there was more cushioning. Although sometimes I feel pointy rocks deep in my forefoot with the current model 🤣. Very subjective but that color choice is terrible though uff. That orange sole ruins it and the burgundy with light blue hurt my eyes. 💔 Durability and grip of the sole is insane on the 1.0. I see they replicated that which is fantastic news. Had a pair of Saucony Perigrine before that did not pass 400km in the rocky Norwegian terrain.

I loved the older Peregrine's but the new ones quality is absolute trash. I've moved over to Nnormals and don't see myself going back. Tomirs will probably fit your foot best, Kjerag is more "like" the Peregrine IMO (stiffer foam, lighter) but you may find them tight. Good luck!

I love my Peregrines, have been running/hiking in them for a long time. The 15s just came out. I have been more of a fan of even numbers (12/14 over the 11/13, 14s have been my favorite in a long time) personally. I haven't tried the 15s yet. There wasn't anything wrong with them, but just my preference lately, so I'd still recommend them unless you wanted to get a more recent one which are all getting marked down in price now. 

If they aren't working, there isn't much you can do. I find that higher stack height shoes - the Calderas are 38mm/32mm in heel/toe - I tend to roll my ankles more and look for something closer to the ground. The Cascadias are 33mm/25mm, so your foot sits much closer to the ground, and you may be noticing this. I like Saucony Peregrines which are 28/24, about half an inch closer to the ground than the Calderas. Unfortunately, a lot of the max cushioning shoes tend to have higher stack heights.  You can otherwise look for more "stable" and wider sole shoes, but too wide and your gait changes. Or, mid top boots for better stability. You can always keep the Calderas and use them on non technical trails.

If ankle stability is an issue then definitely go with something with a relatively low stack height. Tons of good options from all of the brands that you've mentioned! Maybe Saucony Peregrine would tick a lot of boxes. But it's definitely worth tryong a few on and just see what feels right

I'm in the exact same boat. Started with the Peregrine, went to Speedboat, back to Peregrine. Have a number of pairs of both floating around. I find the Hoka stickier, but better tred (that doesn't fall apart quickly) on the Peregrine.

Personally I don't like waterproof trail runners. They're ok for short runs but they overheat (as you said) or if they do get wet they stay wet for ages. It takes forever for them to dry. If you're here in summer even if your feet do get wet they shouldn't get too cold. I don't bother with waterproof socks in summer, again I overheat. In winter though they can be very useful. I'm not going to suggest a specific shoe as the fit is far too personal. I've had a lot of pairs of Saucony Peregrines and live on the Pennines (same hills as the Peak District). They have a 4mm drop so you might prefer something with more padding. I know a lot of people that use Inov8s Mudclaws etc etc but they're too thin for me. Hokas obviously and Altras if you prefer a wide toebox. I'd recommend going to a running shop and trying some on. Have you tried asking the event organisers to see what they suggest? They know the route so should be able to tell you what the surface and ground conditions will be like.

I’d recommend a non Gore Tex as your first and level upon the type of socks your going to wear so your feet stay warm. Do I have a pair of gore Tex shoes, yes, but they aren’t my only pair and I only use they certain times of the year. Trail running, where I live always, always ends up crossing some stream or running thru a puddle or something that your feet will get wet. With a Gore Tex shoe, once the water gets inside it doesn’t drain out and you end up running in soaked feet which your trying to avoid because otherwise why pay for the Gore Tex. Don’t get me wrong it has its place but I’d either have this as another pair or two before buy a pair with Gore Tex. I like and seem to always gravitate towards Brooks Cascadia, Saucony Peregrine and the New Balance Summit Unknown. All three feel different, breathe different, cushioning is a little different and fit slightly different but that’s what I like about them. I try and pick up shoes online that are last years models to save which loosely justifies having two pairs or more if you want. Hope this is helpful and keep going.

Fan of peregrine and even had those older model exodus (the tanks!) and liked them, but something didn’t click for me in the Xodus Ultra. Really wanted to love them. But I just always felt flat running in them, and failed to get a lockdown fit. Nowadays prefer shoes with a bit more flexibility too. Such an odd experience considering the rave reviews! Glad they worked out for someone though!

I think you can grt some deals such as old versions, off colors and get good prices on trail runners… there’s probably not a new model at full price for under 100 that would be trustworthy lol shop deals, rei resupply, backcountry etc to find solid options like the lone peaks or saucony peregrines i like alot and usually can find good prices… got a pair on amazon for 50 bucks that was the 13s which r their best year haha

I wear New Balance 880s in a 4E, so i feel for you. Over the last few years I have been wearing Saucony Peregrine fro trails, I simply size up a half size. I've tried on all of the supposed trail shoes with wide toe boxes, but none of them work for wide feet, I mean, who has wide toes?!

I have big wide feet 12 (4E) on my road shoes, I have found that going up a size in Saucony Peregrine gives me the width that I need. I have yet to find a wide fit trail shoe in my local running stores. I try Atlra as they are supposed to have a bug toe box, but they don’t work for me.

I’m a wide footed beast, 4E width, I wear Saucony Peregrine and upsize a half size.

I would go to another store and see what they have. I am a similar build to you, and I have wide feet, I’ve found that Saucony Peregrine work for me.

I have the Glycerine and Caldera combination. The Caldera are super comfy, but I have struggled with them on technical trails and found them slippy on the downhills (when wet and muddy in the UK). I really like them as all rounder though and wear them when I am off road on a more easy run/trail. I have some Saucony Peregrine's for more technical/faster runs but having various blister problems with them so bought some Inov8 trailfly to test this weekend.

Switched from the Peregrine to the Tomir (via a pair of Inov8) for the same reason, heel blisters and rubbing even though I enjoyed the speed and feel of them. Tomir have been great straight out of the box but do feel bulkier and you don't get quite the same ground feel - saying that I've not tried anything particularly technical in them yet. I'm in the UK and think they will be fine for all weather - got a run in the lake district this weekend that will hopefully test them out.

Saucony fit is great!

I own them both, but the Brooks didn't work well for my feet, and the Peregrine was great, so those are my runners. I almost always buy last year's model, hardly the latest, it saves about 50% in cost, and the difference in shoe is hardly anything.

I find the Peregrines to have the same issue with being slippery. But Saucony fit my feet perfect. And they are often way less expensive. So it's just a tradeoff I take. It could also be that the closeouts I get have had some of the rubber degrade over time and possibly poor storage conditions.

I also run primarily in Kinvaras and the Peregrines are my main trail shoe. You get used to it. Like someone else said, you're usually going so much slower and if you're like me, you're also carrying a vest with first aid and food, so it doesn't really matter.

That's weird! I literally wear Saucony in freezing rain and snow. Mostly Kinvara, but also Ride and Speeds. Peregrine for trails.

And your own feet.  I wore Saucony Peregrines for my 50 k, but a lot of people wouldn't enjoy that.

I don't think anyone else thinks Saucony Peregrines have "a decent amount of cushioning." Most people would never run an ultra in them for that reason (though I did, just a 50k). I have a bad ankle but my issue is rolling outwards. Saucony Peregrines feel good and secure for me as long as I do heel lock (which I do on all shoes) and tighten the laces. I feel comfortable bombing down hills in them.

Peregrines are considered to not have much cushioning, they're relatively firm with good ground feel. They're not minimalist but they're low stack and low drop.

Those are my exact two pair of trail shoes, pairs I bought specifically because I don't like cushioning. Not much out there other than barefoot shoes are as low stack as Bushidos. Peregrines DON'T have "a decent amount of cushion." Bushidos just have even less.

That's a way higher stack than Peregrines which is the opposite of OP needs.

The two trail runners I really like are La Sportiva Bushido 2 (except they're slightly too narrow for my toes so I can't only wear the thinnest socks and I had to stop using them for longer runs), and Saucony Peregrines (except they're a little shorter than expected so I had to size up another 0.5 compared to my road Saucony). They're both firm, lower cushioning, lower stack (6 and 4 mm) with good traction. Peregrines are infamously not durable so I wouldn't wear them all around town, just for hiking and trail rubbing, but they're very comfortable. Personally I wore them for my ultra.

I moved from the Peregrine to the Fuji lite 4 and won’t go back any time soon. The grip and feel are similar, but the mid sole of the Asics are nicer and the comfort unmatched. I couldn’t be happy with the Fuji Lite.

Sounds like a defect to me. I've got 375km on my pair and have run in al sorts of terrain including roads lots of snowy stuff and mine are perfect. I definitely had durability issues with my peregrines mostly in the upper but I've been shocked how well these edge have held up.

Bit late to the party, but the Craft Pure Trail for me. Saucony Peregrines as a close second for more nimble/technical terrains.

Xodus ultra are my favourite. V1 and V2. Perigrine second place for shorter trails or muddy days. One thing I do is to re-sole the shoes (xodus ultra) after lose grip or spikes. New Vibram soles are great and give a seconde life.

I switch 3. Cumulus, 2000s, and peregrines

I only hike in my trail running shoes. Saucony peregrine have a rock plate but don’t sleep on brooks cascadia (new found love for brooks)

I own too many lol. An old pair of Saucony Peregrine that I use for trail runs or on snow during winter. A "new-ish" pair of Hoka Speedgoats that I use mainly for races. Most of my runs are on pavement, where I alternate between Asics GT-2000 and Hoka Clifton. I also own a cheap pair of YUL shoes that I use as gym/treadmill shoes. And while technically not shoes, I own an old pair of Luna sandals that I will wear for a couple of runs during the year, in the summer when it's very hot or raining a lot.

Have you tried Peregrines? Curious how they compare. I run Altra pretty exclusively but picked up a pair of Saucony Peregrines and they feel super slick to me.

I need recommendations! I currently run in Salomon Speedcross and while I love the outsole, I hate how narrow the toe box is. It’s causing issues. I simply can’t run in them any longer. Here are the shoes I’ve worn: Altra Lone Peak — Love the wide toe box, but the zero drop and lack of durability just isn’t for me. I went through 3 iterations of Lone Peak, and durability was an issue each time. Saucony Peregrine — Loved that it was a light, all-around trail runner, but I needed more outsole grip. The lugs are too shallow. Also just a little narrow in the toe box, but better than the Speedcross. I’ve had 4 iterations of this shoe. Salomon Speedcross — I like the deep lugs and true-to-fit lacing system. I have only worn one iteration and bought them because I’d read Salomon widened the toe box. That is not the case, at least for my foot. I can’t imagine how narrow earlier versions were! **My needs are: Wide toe box, durability, and a nice grippy sole that can take on rocks, roots, mud, and moisture. I live and run mostly in Pisgah National Forest.** Recommend me what I’m looking for. Thanks in advance!

I have tried GoreTex and Seal Skinz and found that shoes or socks that have a membrane end up just as wet by the end of the run because my feet get all sweaty and maybe even heavier because they don't drain for shit. As far as brands go, here is a quick review NNormal (Tomir) started falling apart after 30km. Not impressed with fit, look or durability. Hoka: SG4 fantastic shoe, had 3 pair SG 5, never felt stable in my foot ran maybe 20km before I retired them to leisure shoe. Tecton/x V1 and V2 Super comfortable shoes, dog shit in the mud but I love them on the dry days. V3 blew apart in the forefoot after only two runs. I fixed them but they are not super stable either... we see how much I end up using them in the future. Altra: Lone Peak and Olympus...meh OnClouds went straight to goodwill, Saucony: Peregeine / Endorphin Rift again not impressed with durability and no good for mud and wet roots. Speedland: GL-PDX I looove them, just yesterday I was heading up the mtn and caught my foot on some hidden rebar, this would have destroyed the toe on any other pair of shoes that I own and I was sure I would look down and see a hole... nope, not even a mark. I am greatly impressed. They drain well and have nice traction as good or better than Vibram. GS:RAR Initial impression is that they fit well and after some minor adjustments to lugs are comfortable to run in on the treadmill, nothing outside yet as I will use them in the snow with crampons and in the summer. when it is dry. No experience with Norda, I don't like how they look imo Keep in mind that wool insulates even when wet and if you are going in a long run maybe bring a dry pair along for a pit stop ✅ I recommend this over membranes any day. For reference I run in Southwest Norway where we get around 300 days of rain yearly. Happy Trails 🤙🏼

There are no trail shoes with a pronation-support system. Such system is counterproductive on an uneven trail and can cause problems and injuries. I am running Adrenaline and Glycerine GTS as my road shoes and have x-bionic, dynafit and saucony Peregrines as my trail running shoes. X-bionic and dynafit are relatively stable, I use a special insole in Peregrines (not from orthopedics)

Shoes like the Saucony Peregrine, Salomon Speedcross, or Brooks Cascadia provide a good balance between road and trail performance. They are comfortable and super durable. All are within your budget, and with a bit of searching, you can likely find them at discounted prices. I’d recommend trying them on before purchasing, as trail shoes often have a specific fit that can vary between brands.

I’m proportionately heavier at 5’6” and 190ish. I’ve run in Saucony Peregrines for over a decade, but just added Asics GT2000TR to the rotation as my mileage continues to increase.

Saucony Xodus Ultra 2 are the comfiest shoes I’ve worn. Peregrine are also nice.

Saucony Peregrine are my go to for wet rock (and mud). Compared to Salomon ultra glide and sense ride, way better. 

Great shoes, horrible durability. The exposed foam on the outsole rips apart and will split the shoe in half. Saucony has no issues honoring their warranty on this, but they keep utilizing this design.

I agree with the other poster. Highly recommend going to a dedicated running store and trying g them on. In my experience, peregrines struggle on truly technical terrain. Anything over 12ish miles and my feet really start to feel it. I moved to speed goats directly after peregrines and my feet are much happier in that regard. I’m guessing this is for winter? Solomon thunder cross have great grip but are less cushioned. They are waterproof. If you like the peregrines you may want to try the xodus ultra line. I have a pair of xodus ultra 2 ice or shield or winter or whatever they branded it as that I bought and really like. Only ran in them once or twice as I’m saving them for winter (I think it’ll roughly coincide with when my speedgoats start to fail).

I want to echo what this person is saying about the comfortability on longer runs. The bottom of my feet get pretty tender if I do over 12-15 miles in peregrines. Also, the lugs / soles (I don’t know the right term, but the grip on the bottom) on both of mine ripped off between 80-95 miles of use. Really disappointing. I run on some rocky terrain for sure, but not like I’m running on granite. Saucony did replace them quickly and pretty hassle free, but it was annoying.

I really like my ASICS Fuji Lites but also my Saucony Peregrines! Though I find myself reaching for the ASICS first (if they are dry)

Came here to say I rolled my ankle relentlessly in Peregrines. I probably ran a few 100s in them as well. The Pridigio Pro is somehow very stable and super comfortable.

I agree with this. I had to have my husband buy me Scarpas at a running store in Ouray to finish that race because the Peregrines BLEW on the tiny rocks and steep descents.

This is my opinion also! When I tried a pair of VJ's (ultra 2) I could never go back to the peregrine's

Agree with this. I like Peregrines as all round trail shoes. but i think the Mafate Speed 4 is better, and the grip in Peregrine is proper thick mud or wet rocks is not good enough

Peregrines were my first trail shoe - I've since moved on to more cushioned shoes, but every time I throw them back on for a run I'm always pleasantly reminded of the great ground feel and stability compared to the shoes I generally run in now. Super solid shoe and seem to follow a consistent formula through each iteration.

Peregrine are my go to

Theoretically, yes, they should be better. If you're looking for a show with a ton of cushion like the Excursions I would look at Hoka. I dont over think my shoes I just use what works. I tried Peregrines and theyre light and hold up for a long time. I tried Hoka Speed Goats and they gave me blisters. So I went back to Saucony and used the Endorphin Trail. I liked those but Peregrine are lighter and I prefer light with less cushion.

I've had both. The Exodus Ultras have more cushion. They are now my favorite trail shoe. Peregrines are good too.

I’m rocking some Saucony Perigrines. I’m only 4 days in, but blisters aside, they’ve been pretty comfy thus far.

I still like peregrines for 50km distance, and speedgoats start feeling not cushioned enough once you hit 100km! I haven’t tried the others though. But it also depends on terrain and personal preference! Both peregrine and speedgoats are pretty grippy, so great for technical terrain. Speed goats are the most comfortable on the downhill, especially if technical or steep. I’ll happily deal with less comfort/cushion but more secure footing. I used to hate speed goats for uphill because they’re so chonky that I felt like I couldn’t get onto my tippy toes on steep climbs. But now I’m used to them and I’m happy with how they fare in longer ultras. On shorter distances around 50km, feet can handle more so I am more likely to go with shoes where I have better ground feel. So peregrine for technical terrain, and hoka zinal for non-technical!

The saucony peregrine have to be the worst performing shoes on wet rock I have ever used. Idk if it’s their rubber or the lugs but they are so slippery

I put 130 miles on a pair of peregrines and hate them. Most uncomfortable shoes I have ever worn. My toes go numb, heels get blisters. Worst shoes ever!

I have a pair and I like them

I tried the Peregrine for the first time this month, had blisters everywhere, probably the least fun shoes I've run in. Today I did my 10 km test run with the Tomir (1.0): a completely different league, responsive, fast, lighter, very comfortable, just a little less stable. I don't have wide feet though

400 miles in the peregrines and I love them but I can't wear them anymore. They're fast, responsive, amazing ground feel, fit my feet perfectly but my feet always feel battered by the end of my runs, not comfortable for anything over 10k. Also the occasional heel blisters. Took them to Chamonix last year and they felt horrible - too much ground feel. Came across Tomir 2.0 however none of the stores in my city stock this brand so was hoping to see if anyone's switched from peregrine to tomir 2.0 and how do they feel? I'm aware they're not meant to be a fast shoe like peregrine but is it noticeable enough for it not to be a good alternative? My other concern is the drop is double of the peregrines which may give a more unstable ride? I live in the UK so most of the time I'm tackling muddy trails + road to the trails. Also open to suggestions other than tomir, TIA!

Yeah anything above 30mm in the forefoot may be too much stack for my liking but also Kjerag 2 at 18mm is too much ground feel as it's even more than peregrine. Thanks for the suggestions, first time hearing about VJ, how do you find the fit of the Maxx2?

I backpack with a ~45 lb pack (includes food and water), and wear Saucony peregrine which are low drop and low to moderate cushioning. Works great for me, have done 10 mile days comfortably

Best thing to do is load up your pack and bring it to a store while trying on various pairs of shoes. Trail running shoes range from very aggressive treads for nasty muddy terrain, to more moderate road-to-trail shoes. And like running shoes, have a range of cushion thickness and feel. So select shoe tread based on what trails you'll mostly be doing. I have Saucony Peregrines and like them. They're a relatively low stack height shoe, but have been plenty comfortable with my heavy (45 lbs with food and water) pack. Have done 12 mile days and feet felt great at the end of the day while my friends in hiking boots are always breathing a huge sigh of relief when pulling off their boots at camp. I tried on some higher cushion shoes and felt somewhat unstable with my pack weight.

Neutral shoes are fine because the terrain is so varied when trail running. Stability shoes on trails are a recipe for rolled ankles (have flat feet, run in Nike Peg Trails, Nike Terra Kigers, and Saucony Peregrines just fine)

I love my Xodus Ultras for anything longer than a marathon. I also have Peregrines but they have a much shorter stack and are better for shorter races.

I switched from Speedgoats to Xodus Ultras a couple years ago and haven't looked back. No issue with Speedgoats, they just never seem to go on sale and I was able to find Xodus Ultras on clearance for around $50 (so now I have a closet full of them). Plus, Saucony's customer service was super on point when a pair of Peregrines I had went to shit less than 200 miles in.

Yeah, I tried the Peregrines first but thought they were a little light on padding and were also falling apart less than 200 miles in. The switch to Xodus Ultras was a big win for me. I've already logged 400+ miles in six separate pairs, have three more pairs currently in rotation, and one more pair in the closet. Got most all of them for between $50-$75 and am not looking forward to paying $150+ for my next trail runners. Hopefully I can find a similar deal on a last year's model clearance sale when the time comes.

peregrines immediately went into my casual shoe/work around the house shoe. i did not care for them at all for trails

I use Saucony Peregrines. Comfortable, yes. Durable, no.

Been debating doing the same. I've retired a few pair of Perigeine's throughout the years and am looking for something with a little more cushion. Love the fit of the Perigeine's (saucony in general) but my toes always are sore in the a after a trail run. I've always liked how nimble they felt though Currently trying out a pair of Hoka Speed Goat 6's, but am not thrilled with how they fit. Might give the Xodus a go. Are they the same type of fit as the Perigeine's?

I usually buy whichever one is cheapest. You can still get 11’s for like $65. I’m good with them until about 12 miles then my feet hurt. I have the xodus ultra as well and they are much better for fatigue, but you sacrifice ground feel and I won’t use them on trails with a lot of exposed roots. I think the peregrines are pretty good for the money my only complaint is they take forever to dry out.

Cascadias if you must stay with Brooks. I prefer Sauconys for the trails - either Peregrine or the Xodus Ultras

I’m not a distance runner, but I do a lot of hiking and some trail running in Saucony’s Xodus Ultras. I love them, MUCH more than the Peregrins which feel slow and unresponsive by comparison. The one problem, as I see it, is that the outsole while grippy on dirt and dry rock has less than ideal traction on wet rock and the lugs wear down very, very quickly. BUT, Saucony is switching to a vibram outsole in the new model Xodus Ultra that they release on June 1. Check that out.

Sauconys and Cape Town don't mix well together. I've had three pairs of Peregrines and the grip always starting peeling/ripping off, rather than the typical abrasive wear. For some they still work great though 🤷‍♂️ Anyways, the store you brought it from may be able to sort you out with a warranty claim through Saucony. I had a very good experience with RUN store in such a situation.

I’ve never been to a parkrun that “needed” trail shoes, which one do you typically run? That said, I do (or did, I’ve been rather lazy) wear trail shoes to one of my local parkruns. I wear a UK men’s 13.5 or 14 depending upon brand, so your mileage may vary, but I particularly like Saucony Peregrine and Altra Lone Peak shoes. The peregrines are bigger and heavier but I find them very grippy and comfortable to wear. The Lone Peaks are less grippy but are lighter, flatter and have a large toe box (Altras USP is they sell “foot shaped” shoes). Ideally you’d go to a local running shop and try a few on. They offer free “gait analysis” it’s mostly just nonsense designed to get you to buy unnecessary “stability” shoes, but it does at least give you the opportunity to run on a treadmill with the shoes on to see how they feel Edit: in the UK sportsshoes.com are often a good place to look for cheaper shoes. They have the Altra lone Peaks from £70 (though the wide fitting one is £115) and the peregrines are about the same price. The trouble is they’re often limited in sizing - for example they don’t stock the peregrines in an E width. It’s worth trying them on in person, particularly the Lone Peaks, or any similar “foot shaped” shoes, since you might find they’re naturally wider and you don’t need the E width in those models.

I have Saucony Peregrines that I used for snow on roads, paths etc and dry non technical trail. Solomon Spike Cross that I used on any sort of snow covered hills, they are basically a Speedcross with metal studs but they fit narrow. And Hoka Mafate Speed 4 for more technical trails, they grip in dry to mild mud like velcro and are well cushioned. The Peregrines are low stack, flexible and not very cushioned, but feel very stable, they just lack grip for steep downhills. The Spikecross grip in snow and make traversing hills securely a breeze, but they fit narrow for me. The Mafate Speed 4 is a highstack very cushioned, stiff sole, but it does have a little roll to it.

I learned this the hard way. I wore them for a mountain ultra with steep descents. I felt like I had no traction and lost hours on the downhills after doing very well on the climbs. But I loved how light and how stable they are.

My suggestion would be using a trail shoe with small lugs. Saucony Peregrines come to mind.

These shoes have terrible outsoles that won't hold on any steep surface. They are nice and stable, but if you have anything over 20% grade, goodluck. I made this mistake and it cost me hours during a mounrain ultra. Good for mild trail, flat, or gravel.

If you put aftermarket insoles in them and had them resoled with vibram. These would be great shoes. But then you have spent as much as any higher end trail shoe.

I went from Saucony Peregrines to Mafate Speed 4s and they felt a little unstable at first because I was not used to the high stack. But now they feel very stable and they grip. But the Mafate Speed 4 lites are a different shoe and have a snugger fit, I have both, like them both, but the Lites are way snugger with a rubbery upper that have to pull your foot into.

I took my peregrines back.

I'm a PNW runner too. My litmus test is always running over a slick wooden trail bridge once theyve got the wet season algae slime on them. Peregrines aren't the best but they never sent me skating.

Puma MagMax Nitro would be a good option off the top of my head. Grippier outsole than you’d get out of the Novablast or Rebels. Though the thing you have to consider is grass tends to hold on to water and get dewy, so even with the best outsole rubber, most traditional running shoes will still give you slippage issues. Closest thing as far as what you’re looking for is a road shoe with Gore-Tex. Nike Pegasus 41 Gore-Tex (Pegasus Trail 5 is similar but not the same), Brooks Ghost 16 GTX, Brooks Adrenaline GTS 23 GTX, or Hoka Clifton 9 GTX. Many of these are listed as waterproof/winterproof road shoes, but they’re the same road shoe models, just with Gore-Tex outsole material to better deal with wet surfaces and light mud. A mud running shoe would be best though. Hoka Speedgoat, Salomon Speedcross, Merrill Agility Peak, or Saucony Peregrine. I tried running on wet grass in regular road shoes once many years ago, and it was traumatizing to say the least. You only need one split lip and concussion to let you know it’s not a good idea.

I'm on my fifth(?) pair of Peregrines. They have been a total game changer, and I run them until they fall apart and then get another pair. Lightweight, the toe protection seems good as I run on rocky trails, and the sole is sturdy. I can find them at times on sale for $60-70?

I’ve had numerous versions of the shoe and love them all. I find they’re a great goldilocks shoe - they’re not too minimalist, not too bulky.

I have two pairs I switch between, both trail sneakers, depending on whether or not I have my car or the wifes. Saucony Peregrine and the Merrell trail glove. Both excellent, and you can get an older model a year or two out for a steal if you're not too picky about colors. I'll change up the laces for a color pop if they're bland. The Peregrine is more of a traditional style with deeper lugs I'll try to wear if it is a bit muddy, and the Trail Gloves are low profile snug fitting, more like barefoot style.

Was a speedgoat fan as well. Went to Saucony Peregrine. Been pretty good. Now going down the salomon rabbit hole.

I ran my first Canyons 100k in peregrines. You’ll be alright. While I am a sucker for wanting to try all the shoes and find the perfect one for every terrain; I also realise that every shoe is a good shoe if it works for you.

I like the Salomon Genesis for that. Saucony Peregrine is serviceable but that is definitely the upper end of the range I use it for.

You can really use any trail shoe that's not a super shoe for that. No need for something heavily cushioned for that distance (as opposed to ultra's).I would probably wear Saucony Peregrine or La Spotiva Bushido for that if it was more technical. Hoka Challengers if it was more rail to trails like.

Peregrines are great shoes. Updates are not always an improvement to the shoe in my experience. I just snag up the previous year’s model at a discount and give em hell. Served me well so far.

Just got into a pair of saucony peregrines and they rock so far. Have fun shopping

salomon speed cross: unmatched traction and high cushion, not super stable though saucony peregrine: great grip with deep lugs similar to the speecross, not as cushioned but more stable hoka speedgoats: good balance of stability, traction, and cushion, but if you’re running consistently on sharp rocky terrain they are gonna fall apart. their foam is notoriously easy to break down and tear altra experience wild: great cushion and stability, tread isn’t as aggressive but still grips on a wide range of surfaces, doesn’t run quite as wide as some other altras which may be a good thing for you to get a more secure fit la sportiva bushido ii/iii: my personal fav of the shoes mentioned, universally grippy on all surfaces, best lateral stability and rigid support, cushion is a bit lacking but not the worst

I ran the Sprint there last year in Saucony Peregrines and plan to run the Super this year in the same shoes. My first Spartan was the 2023 Sprint in Asheville and I had some normal running shoes, definitely not ideal, especially on "the hill".

Rocks : Topo or anything with this great vibram soles Mud : saucony peregrine or Salomon s-lab

I ran a super in saucony peregrines and they worked great

This is amazing to hear from a fellow TBI survivor and kudos to you for continuing your running. For your trail feedback a shoe with a minimal stack of cushion underfoot typically gives the best feedback. But you also should consider that most thin or minimal shoes might also have a rock plate in them but also if the cushioning is soft or firm it will influence the feedback with firmer usually being better feedback. Zero drop being the answer for feedback is flat out wrong. Zero drop does not equal less foam underfoot, case in point is the Altra Olympus. Very high stack and stiff shoe with zero drop. Also the minimal shoe won’t offer you protection so be mindful of how long you might be able to run in the shoe even while you are slowly getting used to the minimal protection. Consider that even if there is a great option for the minimal shoe that fits the bill for your ground feedback but doesn’t allow you to run even 50% of the length of runs you’d like to be running, well than that is kind of a useless option. I think having a shoe that fits your foot better and better communicates where the shoe is on your foot also outweighs the pure ground feedback as it is more predictable of shoe. Totally my bias but I have fit shoes at Running stores for 15+ years so I’m going to be at least a little biased. Most trail shoes now have Vibram outsole which is really the benchmark for other brands to match. I have personally had multiple pairs of Saucony trail shoes with their Powertrack outsole have every bit as good as traction as Vibram. From Saucony, I believe the Peregrine to have great trail feedback in addition to the Powertrack outsole. Also the traction from Salomon Contagrip is widely regarded as equitable to Vibram. From Salomon, their S-lab pulsar 3 is a fantastic shoe with fairly minimal cushioning, and a firmer cushion that also relays feedback well. I know Inov8 is well regarded for their grip with incredibly tall lugs, sometimes 6-8mm lugs, but those super tall lugs feel like shit on anything but very soft ground that they can dig into. Think about what kind of dirt you have and that will also play a part in the lugs that will grip better. Inov8 definitely fits the category for tall lugs and minimal cushioning for several of their shoes. Altra Maxtrack outsole has been fine but I’ve found it to be not quite up to par with Vibram/Contragrip/Powertrak. Altra with Vibram outsoles has been good but definitely shoot for a lower stack that you can run with and put the mileage you would like to run in. Topo Mtn Racer with Vibram outsole is great grip but might leave trail feedback be desired. I find Topo to fit more locked in overall than Altra. Hoka Zinal is a great minimal trail shoe but leaves traction to be desired unless you have quite hard pack dirt. Hope this helps. Thank you for reading my novel. I apologize

peregrine is a great line. would definitley suggest any version

Saucony Peregrines were great for my Scotland trip that involved hiking, running, and city walking. Bonus is getting the GTX version if going somewhere with rain expected.

I've had a new pair for almost 8 months, and the front of the bottom sole on the right foot is peeling Otherwise, they're really solid for the trail quality wise. Disappointed they won't last the full mileage in comparison to my other choice, the Omni.

I’ve been using Peregrines as my primary trail shoe for about a decade now. I’ve had some durability issues (mainly splitting on the sides), but overall they’re my shoe of choice for both trail running and hiking. They don’t feel super heavy to me and they dry pretty quickly.

Salomon Genesis work as good road to trails, deal with mud well and i've used up to marathon with no issues as they're well cushioned. Saucony ultra or peregrines - ultras are more cushioned and great road to trail but peregrines are find for short road sections and have a slightly deeper lug and deal with mud and wet grass really well. Peregrines are also my choice of mountain shoe so work well, did a 100k in them and only had some foot pain from minimal cushioning at 50ish miles in! Just got the Nike Zegama 2 and they are fab so far! Managed well in mud, snow, slush and are really cushioned. Need to try them out on more technical terrain but all good so far. They have the react foam so they give a lot of bounce on packed trail and road. Inov8 trailfly i find good on rock and grass, less so on mud, and a bit firm on road, but not terrible.

Definitely. I use Saucony Peregrines or Kinvara, both of which have a 4mm drop. Peregrines have a rock plate. I think the drop helps you feel the trail. Both have very little stack height also.

Abso fucking lutely. No high stack shoes on trails. For me, my best trail runs are in things like Saucony Kinvara or if there are technical rocks and things, Peregrines.

Salomon Alphacross or Saucony Peregrine for snow where I know there isn't ice on any spots yet. Where there is ice, I have an old pair of Salomon Speedcross with Yaktraks already attached. When it's snow and ice I will opt for trails (or treadmill) rather than inconsistent pavement/sidewalk but that's just me.

You probably have a weak ankle. You should visit a sports physio, and see if they can give you exercises to help build strength in your ankle, so you stop rolling it. I don't think it would be the shoes causing the rolling. However, if your ankles are still weak, the peregrines have a thinner midsole, offering greater stability. They also have pretty descent ankle support, so overall should help with the rolling, or, at least, won't exacerbate it.

Altra are notorious for how bad they blow out. Can confirm, mine have Tenacious Tape patches on the inside and seam goop on the outside because they blew out within a couple months. Avoid. I've moved to Saucony Peregrines and so far so good.

My advice would be counter to the direction you are currently leaning in. I prefer shoes with low stack height and minimal cushioning. Instead of relying on that to protect your knees and ankles ease into running, start short and slow, and allow your body to make the necessary adaptations. Because it will do so if you let it and part of letting it is not having giant pillows under your feet. IMO your loose ankles and sore knee may not be an affliction you have to live with forever but rather a symptom of lack of strength, something that trail running with good form and a bit of strength training can resolve. That may not be the case here, be cautious and listen to your body but it probably is I like saucony peregrines I recommend you check them out if you decide to go this route. There are other good options too just look for low stack height and an outsole to match the terrain you ll be on

Lower stack height will make all the difference. Good outsole also important of course. Hokas are made for going slow or groomed trails. Saucony peregrines are great or la sportiva bushidos are another decent option if your feet arent too wide.

They've been my go-to for about a decade. My only issue has been they're not the best on downhills in muddy conditions. There's a decent amount of posts on this sub about the newer models having poor durability, but that hasn't been a problem for me.

I use trail runner shoes. I rotate between my saucany peregrine for a lighter shoe with little support and my Adidas terrax gravity pro when I need more insulation. I also have an rei set that's worth mentioning, but it rubs my heel. It's in between the two I listed.

I’ve broke the same ankle twice, I can’t wear high stack shoes. Personally I’ve found the saucony peregrine are great. Also considering trying the hoka torrent 4

Whatever brand fits your feet best. All the big brands are similar with a light weight upper and foam sole. Most important thing is they are comfy, and then you can nitpick preferences like how stiff the sole is, the drop from heel to toe, and how much cushion you want. I prefer a stiffer sole for walking over roots and uneven rocks and personally really liked the Brooks Cascadia for the additional support. Lots of others swear by Altra but they are a much lighter more flexible shoe and a little too wide for my feet. I also really liked the Saucony Peregrine.

2nd on peregrines, after tearing apart a pair of hoka speedgoat 6 in 5 days I ordered the sauconys. I love them, they handle extremely well despite the lack of vibram sole. I live in Pennsylvania and needed a shoe that had a good amount of durability due to the rocks/roots. If you are willing to shell out some more money I also found that the Mount to Coast T1 is sick! The T1’s almost make it feel like I’m running barefoot they’re so light!

I’ve been really impressed with the peregrines. Used them a fair bit over the lake and some steep rocky downhills and they’ve been fab. Far better than my previous pair of inov8s which I think had involvement from Torville and/or Dean in the design

Try the Saucony Peregrine, it will not have the speed roll geometry you like in the EP4, but I have found that their shoes fit fairly consistently across different lines / models. They are a solid option to get into trail running!

I like the Peregrines for shorter distances as well. Not bad as a door to trail shoe. If I’m looking at 10 miles or more, I’m definitely going with my Xodus Ultra 2’s. More padding, better and more secure lacing and an all around more comfortable shoe for me. Xodus Ultra is designed specifically for those longer distances.

Absolutely. If the snow is gone I only hike in saucony peregrines

I hike a lot of mountains. I have both. Trail runners are awesome for trails. TRAILS. But scree fields? Boulder falls? Class 3 scrambles? You are gonna want boots. Honestly, the more technical you do, the better your footwear needs to be. I'd never even consider trying to climb a glacier in trail runners, but I'll do it in boots that crampons can attach to. In short, you might need both depending on what you are gonna do. I did R2R and Angel's Landing in Saucony Peregrines. I like their rock plate for that area of Utah/Arizona and the trails are pretty well established, even paved in places.

I have Peregrines specifically to wear when it's muddy/snowy.

5mm lugs for non-technical? I only use Peregrines when it's muddy or snowy.

I wear Moab 3s and love them - they are stable and have not worn out at all. My mother (very weak ankles, severe sprains) loves her Oboz boots. It’s all about comfort and what works for you! I will say with the Moabs, they run a tad narrow, so if you have wide feet I’m loving the men’s ones, but if you have narrower feet I would go for women’s. The Saucony Peregrine is super comfy - I did a mountain in them and had no issues. I will say they felt slightly less stable in the footbed (so if you’re looking to not twist your ankles, maybe lean toward a low cut boot). Good luck in finding a boot you love!

Just got a pair on Saucony Peregrines on clearance sale so taking those out tomorrow, together with a UD pack and, a nameless pair of bikeshorts and an old race singlet.

Altra LP, Saucony Perigrine, Topo MT or Terraventures, Brooks Cascadia, and the list goes on. I am biased for Altra Lone Peaks for its ultimate comfort. The Olympus are a bit chunky for trails in my opinion but it is up to you to try them on and decide. Altra LP are comfortable out of the box. The outsole is durable and work well for most conditions. If you run on wet trails, find a shoe with Vibram outsole (Olympus for Altra). IMO, on trails the lower the drop the better. The zero drop is very unnoticeable. Most moderate and harder trails are constantly changing under foot, having a drop of greater than 4mm for me is detrimental for stability. If you are running easy trails or gravel paths a regular road shoe will be fine. The advantages of a trail shoe are foot protection, water drainage and grip. Otherwise a pair of road shoe can handle flat paths of gravel or packed dirt just fine. Go to a specialty store and try try, try. Remember sales associates can give good advice......but they can also be misinformed or biased. They can recommend but you need to make the decision based on your preferences.

I tried the Saucony Peregrines one year and it’s likely the only shoe I’ll get for my hiking trips now. My feet don’t hurt in them, they’re comfortable, and the grip from the bi-directional, arrow shaped, tread on the bottom is pretty good. When I go on my trips I like to hike around 10 miles, and I love going to the top of mountains. When in doing that, I know the biggest thing I don’t have to worry about are my shoes and whether my feet will be killing me half way through, because I know they won’t be.

Mine just got here today. It’s the third time in a row getting the Saucony Peregrines. They’re comfortable, have good grip on the bottom, breathe decently, light enough for me. and they fit me really well.

Always take reviews with a grain of salt. Your Saucony Edge look fine. Yes the outsole durability is not great, but you still have an another 500km of wear to go before they are dead. The Edge outsole was an outlier in durability.  Any other shoe will probably be better.  At the same time, run 300km over granite in ANY shoe and it will show a lot of wear.  Honestly, the Peregrine is probably a great pick because of the depth of tread, and because the rubber is harder and less sticky.  Less sticky is usually good for durability, but less desirable for situations where trails get vertical and you grip becomes critical.  

I tried Saucony Peregrines but blisters started to form over 10k distances regardless of sock. I just ran a 7 mile race and a 10 mile training run on fairly rocky terrain in my new Nike Pegasus 5 (non-GORE-TEX). I was worried about there being too much cushion, but they’re turning out great.

I'll be doing my first Noble Canyon 50 in Saucony Peregrine's

My peregrines are great for everything except wet smooth stone slab, which there’s a lot of where I run

Saucony Peregrines. Not sure about the new model though. Why does every shoe company have to change shoes (usually for the worse) so often?!

There are arguments either way. I go completely barefoot a lot. From experience it’s very hard to twist your ankle in a bad way when you are barefoot because you are so low to the ground (-> less leverage on the joint) and have more feel. Otherwise I use relatively low shoes (Merrel Vapor Glove, Saucony Peregrine) which make it more dangerous but still feel pretty safe.

I’ve run on peregrines quite a lot. I like them for short and speedier trail runs. That said I find myself setting up runs to be able to be in my xodus ultra 3s. I also run in Altra Mont Blancs, but if I could I’d always be in my xodus ultra 3s. They’re the shoes I’m lacing up for Leadville in a couple weeks.

Saucony Peregrines for me too. I have their Edge Pro and Ride TR, but I love the peregrines the best

Whatever fits your feet well, and fellow Redditors can’t tell you that. For me, it’s either Saucony Peregrine or LaSportiva Bushido, but those might be absolutely wrong for you. Go to a good store with good return policy and try for yourself!

I scramble all summer on gabbro in a pair of Peregrines or Xodus' and they do *not* look like yours, even though the lugs and rockplate windows look similar; they have a few cuts in the lugs but nothing as bad as those you have. Either the rubber on your outsole is a different compound to my shoes or you have a lemon, IMO. Saucony rubber is a bit shit but that looks wrong, even for Saucony.

I have chronic knee issues from torn ligaments coupled with weak glutes. I have issues with patella tracking and some damage to the area. I usually run in ASICS or Saucony (and use KT tape and strength training). I’ve taken ASICS Trabuco Max, Novablast/ Novablast Trail or Gel Nimbus on trails like this. Saucony Xodus Ultra and Peregrine too. I prefer the higher heel drops and max cushion for my knee. Some of my trail shoes rec might be a bit overkill, but the road versions would work.

Man, I've beat the hell out of my peregrines and never seen this Inov-8 fits me well as a not wide shoe, but depending on where you are, may not be able to try them on in any stores

. Makes sense, I find my peregrines a little too wide for me, so I don't run them on the really technical stuff or I slide around too much, definitely good grip!

The peregrines give me tight calves -> shin splint feelings. Do you think the Xodus Ultras would be a better match? I love my Saucony Ride 17 as well as the Endorphin Speed so much (and would love to stay with the brand tbh!)

I probably have a shoe problem… Trail- - 2x Saucony Peregrines - one is a half size larger to accommodate double socks for winter running - Saucony Excursion trail - “emergency sneakers” purchased on a work trip. Not my faves. - some Merell ‘barefoot’ things that are nice for soft and sandy pine forest floors and not much else. - Merell MOAB sneakers for hiking Road - Saucony Kinvara - I 90% love these but sometimes my toes go numb. Wanting to try some Brooks but they sell out so damn fast Gym - New Balance Minimus. I lovvvvveee these. I feel so grounded and sturdy

For me at least they're worth the markup because they last. They're $300 CDN full price compared to about $200 for (e.g.) Speedgoats, but they last 2-3 times as long. They're grippy, wide toe box, relatively minimalist and generally a great shoe. Previously ran in Peregrines which I also loved bit consistently blew out the uppers at around 400km.

The only sound advice I can give you is locate a store and try them on for a test run. I love speedgoats and the tecton x2. I tried the nike’s but they are too narrow overal for my liking, or Maybe they don’t fit to my feet. I found the saucony peregrine a little indirect and not stable enough for my liking. Asics were even worse.

Ive been a trail runner convert for a decade and walked multi day hikes. Saucony peregrine, La sportiva and salomon are all good. It really is down to what fits and the grippiness of their sole rubber.

Saucony peregrine are reasonably priced and are good hikers.

Look at the Salomon Genesis rather - it is more an all-terrain shoe than the Ride. Have a look at the new Norvan LD4 too Peregrine is a good all purpose shoe (hopefully they fixed the wet grip) Trabuco 13