Peregrine 13 ST

Peregrine 15 and up for me. The 16 has a vibram megagrip outsole, so it should be a lot better than previous versions on damp rocks/bridges. The 12s were decent, the 13's were terrible.

As long as they keep making the peregrine as a LOW STACK trail shoe, I will keep buying it.

NB rebel v5 for the roads, Saucony peregrine for daily trails, and Topo ultraventure for long runs/races

5'11 207 lb beefy boi trail runner here.. I do most my training and daily miles in saucony peregrine's. The midsole is firm-ish and really lasts a long while compared to other shoes I've tried.

I'm only speaking for myself here, but I prefer low stack shoes (peregrines, sense rides, lone peaks)

While not as cushioned, I went from sg5 to saucony peregrine. They have been my daily miles shoe for a while now, and I'm excited for the new model with a vibram megagrip outsole to release.

Salomon GTX Blaze GRVL NNomral Tomir 2.0 GTX Of course the Peregrine ST isn't any good on roads it's designed for soft terrain. Bigger the lugs the less surface area to make contact with the ground on a hard flat surface.

Peregrine ST is meant for deep mud but yes I don't rate Sauconys grip very highly. They are going over to Vibram perhaps check out the new standard Peregrine it's got a full vibram outsole or the Xodos Ultra for more cushion. Don't think there is a GTX version of Xodus though. I love my Salomon Aeroglide GRVL, it's not narrow fit should be similar to the blaze but I haven't tried on.

Peregrine ST was meant for winter but it slipped on all hard surfaces like crazy (rocks, cobblestones, even concrete etc..). I know they were meant for soft terrain but that doesn't mean they had to be so dangerous on anything hard. I hate them in the wet. Salomon GTX Blaze GRVL is a strong recommendation, I just viewed a Youtube video about them. I hope they are not too narrow. I"ll look some reviws of the NNomral Tomir 2.0 GTX as I've never heard of them.

11 Road: - Saucony Endorfine Speed 3 (retired) - Adidas Takumi Sen 8 (intervals, ~5k races) - 2x Adidas Evo SL (daily trainer, 3rd pair ready to go) - Adidas Pro 4 (just used for a HM) - ASICS Superblast 2 (used for long runs, ultras, dislike) - Brooks Adrenaline 22 (retired, just for hikes) Trail: - Saucony Peregrine 13 (stiff, only when muddy) - Hoka Speedgoat 5 (have miles left, but Zegama are infinitely more comfortable - sort of retired) - Nike Zegama 2 (daily trail trainer / trail ultras, new pair ready to go) - Adidas Agravic Speed ultra (short trail races, gives me heel blisters)

I'm still running in 13s and have no problem after 350 km.

Yeah I have 13s and they're fine. The pair I wore for my ultra is at 350 km and I still think of them as new.

I don't think anyone else thinks Saucony Peregrines have "a decent amount of cushioning." Most people would never run an ultra in them for that reason (though I did, just a 50k). I have a bad ankle but my issue is rolling outwards. Saucony Peregrines feel good and secure for me as long as I do heel lock (which I do on all shoes) and tighten the laces. I feel comfortable bombing down hills in them.

Peregrines are considered to not have much cushioning, they're relatively firm with good ground feel. They're not minimalist but they're low stack and low drop.

Those are my exact two pair of trail shoes, pairs I bought specifically because I don't like cushioning. Not much out there other than barefoot shoes are as low stack as Bushidos. Peregrines DON'T have "a decent amount of cushion." Bushidos just have even less.

That's a way higher stack than Peregrines which is the opposite of OP needs.

The two trail runners I really like are La Sportiva Bushido 2 (except they're slightly too narrow for my toes so I can't only wear the thinnest socks and I had to stop using them for longer runs), and Saucony Peregrines (except they're a little shorter than expected so I had to size up another 0.5 compared to my road Saucony). They're both firm, lower cushioning, lower stack (6 and 4 mm) with good traction. Peregrines are infamously not durable so I wouldn't wear them all around town, just for hiking and trail rubbing, but they're very comfortable. Personally I wore them for my ultra.

I strongly disagree. I wear Saucony pretty much exclusively (Kinvara, Ride, Speed, Peregrine) and I CAN'T wear Salomon at all. They don't work with my feet. I've tried several times and I get blisters within 5 km with every model I've tried. So if Salomon works for you, great, but as a Kinvara lover, Peregrine is my only answer. They're both 4mm drop and minimally cushioned and I like them both a lot.

I get that blisters on my arch. Salomon have much more prominent arch support which doesn't work with my feet.

It's a crap shoe. That outsole doesn't grip even when it's not completely trashed like in the picture.

Yup. Same thing happened to me twice with the 13s. Saucony support was super helpful and replaced both times, but I ended up moving over to the catamount 3s and have been happy.