Peregrine 13

11 Road: - Saucony Endorfine Speed 3 (retired) - Adidas Takumi Sen 8 (intervals, ~5k races) - 2x Adidas Evo SL (daily trainer, 3rd pair ready to go) - Adidas Pro 4 (just used for a HM) - ASICS Superblast 2 (used for long runs, ultras, dislike) - Brooks Adrenaline 22 (retired, just for hikes) Trail: - Saucony Peregrine 13 (stiff, only when muddy) - Hoka Speedgoat 5 (have miles left, but Zegama are infinitely more comfortable - sort of retired) - Nike Zegama 2 (daily trail trainer / trail ultras, new pair ready to go) - Adidas Agravic Speed ultra (short trail races, gives me heel blisters)

I'm still running in 13s and have no problem after 350 km.

Yeah I have 13s and they're fine. The pair I wore for my ultra is at 350 km and I still think of them as new.

I don't think anyone else thinks Saucony Peregrines have "a decent amount of cushioning." Most people would never run an ultra in them for that reason (though I did, just a 50k). I have a bad ankle but my issue is rolling outwards. Saucony Peregrines feel good and secure for me as long as I do heel lock (which I do on all shoes) and tighten the laces. I feel comfortable bombing down hills in them.

Peregrines are considered to not have much cushioning, they're relatively firm with good ground feel. They're not minimalist but they're low stack and low drop.

Those are my exact two pair of trail shoes, pairs I bought specifically because I don't like cushioning. Not much out there other than barefoot shoes are as low stack as Bushidos. Peregrines DON'T have "a decent amount of cushion." Bushidos just have even less.

That's a way higher stack than Peregrines which is the opposite of OP needs.

The two trail runners I really like are La Sportiva Bushido 2 (except they're slightly too narrow for my toes so I can't only wear the thinnest socks and I had to stop using them for longer runs), and Saucony Peregrines (except they're a little shorter than expected so I had to size up another 0.5 compared to my road Saucony). They're both firm, lower cushioning, lower stack (6 and 4 mm) with good traction. Peregrines are infamously not durable so I wouldn't wear them all around town, just for hiking and trail rubbing, but they're very comfortable. Personally I wore them for my ultra.

I strongly disagree. I wear Saucony pretty much exclusively (Kinvara, Ride, Speed, Peregrine) and I CAN'T wear Salomon at all. They don't work with my feet. I've tried several times and I get blisters within 5 km with every model I've tried. So if Salomon works for you, great, but as a Kinvara lover, Peregrine is my only answer. They're both 4mm drop and minimally cushioned and I like them both a lot.

I get that blisters on my arch. Salomon have much more prominent arch support which doesn't work with my feet.

I have >150 miles in the Tomir 2.0 and previously ran in the Xodus Ultra 1 and 2, and Peregrine 13. Also >500 miles in 2 pairs of the Endorphin Edge. Typically run on hard packed rocky trails. First 50-70 or so miles in the Tomir 2.0 felt a bit narrow in the forefoot/toebox. Not a big issue for short runs, moderately uncomfortable for longer runs. Loosening the laces helped a bit. After 70 miles, the insole has packed down and the upper fabric has loosened so they are generally fine for me on longer runs. I know it's not a case of my feet acclimating to being squeezed because my road shoes were squeezing my feet the whole time until I replaced them recently with the wider Mount to Coast R1. I've done several 20+ mile >4,000 foot runs in the Tomir 2.0 with some moderately technical sections, no width related issues anymore. The cushioning is on the firm side and took some getting used to. Endorphin Edge generally felt like a straight upgrade to the Xodus, lighter and faster feeling at higher paces. Some reviewers reported stability issues but I suspect it's due to (1) the Endorphin Edge being too wide for people who run in Hokas and Nikes, (2) high/max stack, and (3) the Endorphin Edge's plate. In my use, I had to slow down slightly on the looser and more technical downhills particularly when making turns but was notably faster with less effort and more comfort everywhere else. Main downside is that it's a struggle for me to get 300 miles out of a pair because the outsole peeled where the cutouts are, and that the outsole material itself doesn't flex well so I've lost chunks of outsole. It was worth the money when on sale but might be harder to find now. I just pre ordered the Mount to Coast T1 and am hoping it will be a good ultra shoe for me. I've had their R1 road shoes for some time and it fits and runs well for me.

It's a crap shoe. That outsole doesn't grip even when it's not completely trashed like in the picture.

Yup. Same thing happened to me twice with the 13s. Saucony support was super helpful and replaced both times, but I ended up moving over to the catamount 3s and have been happy.

Those are old shoes now, the glue might have deteriorate with time. I had no issues with mine after 500km. I had to replace them though because lugs were completely gone due to the abrasive nature of the trails I run on.

You will want a sticky outsole and an aggressive lug profile. Something like a tomir from normal, a peregrine for instance. Or a la sportive prodigio Plated trail shoes are for experienced runner because of the instability and are more suited to less technical terrain indeed.

It is a bit hard to see in the photo, but I think I see what you mean. Peregrines have been great for me in general except the 13s were built poorly. I am on my second pair of 15s. But I have heard others complain and warrantied a pair of the 14s. I probably got through 5 pair a year so I figure that rate isn't too bad.

They tried to fuck it up with the 13, but have recovered well. The 15 is nice, I just ordered my third pair. They finally got rid of the split sole, though I only warrantied that issue once.

The Xodus is just slightly wider too. Peregrine is my main shoe and fits me perfect, but everyone has different feet and your fit in Xodus may vary from mine. Just something to look for when buying.