Roborock - Saros 10 Series

Bang for buck - mova p10 ultra Money is no object/I want the best - roborock Sara's 10r or dreame x50 ultra Budget/cheapest option changes alot based on sales. Just the other week I bought a refurbished L10s ultra for $240 Honorable mention - the new eufy e28 can be had for $800. I think its worth considering because the roller mop system they have going seems to do really good for mopping in general.

It's definitely an upgrade to the standard dragging a wet cloth. Flagship Saros 10 is using vibrarise too but its a bit more updated and has more vibration and downward pressure. Not sure how big of a difference in terms of performance it is compared to the S8. If you can find S8 for a good price then I think you wont be disappointed I also think when choosing between rotating and Vibration mops its about preference and what type of floor you have. The rotating mops are using more water I believe and could have a tendency to leave wet streaks on floors

For mopping, ideally you will want spinning mop pads and the largest water tanks available (unless you're able to run plumbing). You will likely need to refill the clean water and empty the dirty water tanks daily if the court is regularly used. The Saros 10R has a large clean water tank in the dock but a small on-board tank (65mL vs 80-100mL on other Roborocks) so even though it will do the job, it will also need to dock and refill more often, so probably the least efficient solution with a ton of features you won't care about. The QRevo series is probably ideal. You probably won't care about having the best obstacle avoidance, so even a slightly older one with spinning mop pads will probably be more than enough. I'd probably buy 2 of the QRevo Plus or something similar and have it clean the court from both ends. But really, a consumer robot isn't really the best solution. You will definitely be running these robots to their limit every single day, and you will have a ton of consumable costs.

Bought the Roborock Saros 10R, it’s awesome. If you live in a single story with disposable income I’d get it.

had to daily with my old shark. haven't and likely never will with my new roborock saros 10r. it has a divided brush and I haven't found tangles or buildup once

I was a fan. In particular, a little quirk of the 10r. Is that because of the internal lidar/ ai assisted camera navigation, It was so much more daring than other robots. It was willing to slide into spots underneath low-hanging indoor plants and tight squeezes. And even though it mostly has the same chassis as the 10, it didn't have the problems of the 10, which kept trying to yeet itself over anything it could. My only complaint is that I prefer a singular vibrating mop pad to two spinning mops and the 10r had the two spinning mops and they left the singular mop pad for the 10.

I just tested and reviewed this one and gave it 3 out of 5 Stars. I was very unimpressed. Although I'm not done with my testing of the z70, it is not ready for prime time. The x50 was good, And I think that would be a fine purchase. I also highly recommend the saros 10r and 10. But... I was alone out of the water with the 3i S10 and no one talks about it.

I just tested and reviewed this one and gave it 3 out of 5 Stars. I was very unimpressed. Although I'm not done with my testing of the z70, it is not ready for prime time. The x50 was good, And I think that would be a fine purchase. I also highly recommend the saros 10r and 10. But... I was alone out of the water with the 3i S10 and no one talks about it.

I'm surprised how much I actually enjoy these threads. So I'm going to kill two of yours and reintroduce one. I don't think those are the right q revos to look at... If anything I'd say the max V. But I can make it easy because if you can afford the robots that you're talking about I think it comes down to four models. The s8 maxv ultra which shakes out to be the best of the S8 line. The curv, which is also excellent, but slightly different from the s8. Saros 10 Saros 10r Do you have thresholds? If so, get the 10. Do you have a lot of obstacles on your floor? Like a fan and lamps and furniture and other crap small spaces that the robot needs to go into? If so, get a 10r, even if you have thresholds. You don't have thresholds or small spaces, I would consider the S8 or curv, because they're excellent, and dramatically cheaper. And excepting the issue with thresholds, I'm not highly sold that the Saros are $700 better. And the best part is, there is no wrong answer. The main differentiator is the shape of the tower and that the curv has twin spinning mops and the s8 has a vibrating mop pad. Because you have ceramic tile, and I do too, that means you have grime. For that reason I recommend the s8. I believe the vibrating pad does better on grind

I'm surprised how much I actually enjoy these threads. So I'm going to kill two of yours and reintroduce one. I don't think those are the right q revos to look at... If anything I'd say the max V. But I can make it easy because if you can afford the robots that you're talking about I think it comes down to four models. The s8 maxv ultra which shakes out to be the best of the S8 line. The curv, which is also excellent, but slightly different from the s8. Saros 10 Saros 10r Do you have thresholds? If so, get the 10. Do you have a lot of obstacles on your floor? Like a fan and lamps and furniture and other crap small spaces that the robot needs to go into? If so, get a 10r, even if you have thresholds. You don't have thresholds or small spaces, I would consider the S8 or curv, because they're excellent, and dramatically cheaper. And excepting the issue with thresholds, I'm not highly sold that the Saros are $700 better. And the best part is, there is no wrong answer. The main differentiator is the shape of the tower and that the curv has twin spinning mops and the s8 has a vibrating mop pad. Because you have ceramic tile, and I do too, that means you have grime. For that reason I recommend the s8. I believe the vibrating pad does better on grind

easy peasy. its beteen the saros and dreame, the roomba is laughable, and the e28 has a lot of errors. I prefer the Saros.

Hi. I review robots for a living. That store link was super helpful. My advice is simple: get a roborock. I think the S8 Maxv Ultra is a fantastic model, around $1000. The Saros 10/10R are also there, and also great. Personally, i prefer a mop pad, so I'd say the 10, not the 10R. The prices are close enough that I'd say the Saros might be worth these few $$. I don't enjoy either model you named...the Mova has cheap hardware, and the X9 was incredibly Meh in performance.

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Infact, robots worth the investment under $700 are rare, as I explain in [this post.](https://www.whatrobotvacuumshouldiget.com/2025/06/20/are-budget-robot-vacuums-worth-buying/) So these robots should be viewed as tech toys you're playing around with, rather than cleaning tools that will make your life easier. Buy whatever strikes your fancy, it's unlikely to be useful as a robovac, but might be a worthy cat toy. # Best vacuum under $300 People just don't talk about the Switchbots enough in here, and I wish I knew why. Aside from having a kick ass brand identity (chonky robots that bridge a technology gap for people), they are affordable and work better than most tech products out there. I'm a huge fan of their smart home sensors and the SwitchBot button. When I got the [K10+](https://lifehacker.com/tech/switchbot-k10-plus-robot-vacuum-review) to test about 18 months ago, I was just tickled. First, it's tiny. It's like an M&M roaming your floor. At 8 inches, it cuts a tight radius around your chair legs, and can get into tiny spaces. There's no advanced tech on here, it just does a bangup job vacuuming, and then returning to its humbly small self emptying dock. Sure, there is a "mop", kinda sorta... but its just a swiffer situation, and it sucks. Ignore it (easy to do). This is a vacuum, and can more confidently manage carpet (under your bed, too!) better than most I've tried. Sure, you'll have to unclog it occasionally, but that's what you get at this price. The pro took the suction from 2500Pa to 3000Pa, which doesn't seem like much, but I can go on for hours on a nerdy rant about how much suction doesn't really matter. Whichever you get, this is the bot to beat at this price. Sale is effective 7/8. |SwitchBot Mini Robot Vacuum K10+ Pro|$459.99|299.99|35%|[https://amzn.to/4lkV06z](https://amzn.to/4lkV06z)| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |SwitchBot Mini Robot Vacuum K10+|$499.99|175.99|65%|[https://amzn.to/4eCVAdy](https://amzn.to/4eCVAdy)| # Best vacuum under $500 Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best vacuum under $700 Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best vacuum under $1000 Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best vacuum under $1200 People try to send me vacuums all the time, and because there are a giant wall of boxes in my house of robots to be tested, giving me anxiety, I need a reason to say yes. The only interesting nugget about the 3i when I agreed to test it was that it promised to never need a water refill. i'd just finished testing the narwal Freo Z, which has to be topped up a few times a day and an autonomous robot sounded fantastic. You shouldn't like the 3i. It looks like an exhibit in a kids science museum. It weighs like 50lbs, and there is nothing notable about the robot itself. it looks like a generic robovac. I was so blown away by the performance, I haven't shut up about it since. In the history of my testing, i have kept 3 robovacs, and this is one of them. I just place new robots I'm testing in front of it, because I'm not moving that Gdamn tower for anything, it lives there now. Theres the design: these 2 forward sweeps rotate inward, and have constant downward pressure on the floor. They're huge, and very effective. The roller doesn't get clogged. Let me repeat. I let it vacuum up dog toy floof. Mulch. Receipts. NOTHING deterred this robot. And the mop was very effective, too. Was it the best mop I've tested? No. But it ranks up there. And the water cleaning actually works, I know because for a week, we had it mop up anything we could think of. Vinegar. Black dye water. Maple syrup. Tomato juice. And not only was the resulting clean water tank crystal clear, I used PH strips to test it, and it remained stable. It just metabolized anything we ran it over. It's been a few months and I've never had to refill the water, not once. It's finally an autonomous robot, and for that, it'd be worth it at $1899. But for $1139, I don't need to think about whether its better to spend less on a high end Roborock, the 3i is cheaper. |3i S10 Ultra|$1899.99|$1139.99 w code: S10USAVE5|40%|[https://amzn.to/3GsRZlm](https://amzn.to/3GsRZlm)| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| # Best vacuum if you have no budget Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best vacuum if you have thresholds The good news, since many of you are trying to decide between the Saros 10/10r and the Dreame X50 Ultra, is that I can make it easy. Get the Dreame X50. You won't like the reason I recommend it, though. It's simple: the Roborock Saros 10 is not, for reasons I don't get, on Prime Day special, only the 10R is. While the 10 and 10r are [supposed](https://lifehacker.com/tech/roborock-saros-10-vs-saros-10r-robot-vacuum-comparison) to have very similar builds with a lifting chassis, they don't act like it. The 10 is a better robot than the X50, so if you can afford it, buy it. If not, the X50 is a fine robot. Genuinely. And I never got tired of watching it yeet itself over thresholds and steps. The AI onboard helped the robot get better over time at navigation, and if anything, my only complaint is that it had to return to dock all the time to top up or recharge, so cleaning a whole house took a long time to get done. 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But, if you absolutely, totally insist, (and the Switchbot K10+ tower isn't small enough for you, because that sucker will fit anywhere), I very reluctantly offer the Roborock Q10 S5. I hated the Dyson 360Visnav, and the iRobot Roomba 205 was a total flop. Roborock's budget line may not have the greatest quality build but atleast they work most of the time. |Roborock Q10 S5+|$549.99|351.99|36%|[https://amzn.to/44cLbS9](https://amzn.to/44cLbS9)| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| # Best vacuum if you have small kids Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best all around vacuum Embargo'd til 7/7

The 10 isn't going to go on sale, tho.... only the 10R. Now, I still think the 10 is a great vacuum, so don't be deterred. Honestly, I didn't think one was dramatically better than the other on carpet. Where I saw a difference was mopping and navigation. I prefer the vibrating mop on the 10, for sure. Don't get the deebot. If you do get the 10, here's an affiliate link to amazon, if you feel inclined. [https://www.eufy.com/products/t2353111?variant=44777910075578](https://www.eufy.com/products/t2353111?variant=44777910075578)

oooh. that's a good note. i'll email and ask about it! They're a new brand. They started with a Kickstarter, but after I wrote about them, they started to get reviewed well by other outlets, so I think they're on the way up. Look. the 10r is also a very good robot, but not AS good, and also more expensive. Until 7/8, who knows, but that's the price they've told me, and the embargo on it dropped yesterday. but... for instance, yeedi just updated their PD prices and they got even better deals, so who knows? On 7/8 I'll try hard to do a quick update in the morning... (i would LOVE help from someone checking prices on the graph for me... happy to send a thank you in the mail).

The 10r is very new and it could be why they're not discounting it more. But I do think it's a really good choice to arrive at.

I can make it easy. Get the Roborock. The 10 works better.

So I have to explain my perspective on suction. Suction is good, more suction is certainly better, but people make suction the determining factor of whether they buy a vacuum when I have seen vacuums with 22, 000pa That don't do a great job. I'm more determining factor is how three parts of the robot interact. You have the sweeps which have to effectively get the debris towards the rollers. Then you have the rollers which have to sweep the debris that's in its path up but not allow the debris to get stuck, clogging the rollers. If they do their job right then the debris is perfectly positioned for the suction to pull it through into the debris canister inside. I could get really nerdy and talk about the size of the opening on the debris canister, And also how straight the tube is in the tower that evacuates the debris from the robot, but everyone would die of boredom. So, back to your question. Yes, the saros 10 has plenty of suction. But more importantly, those three parts play really well together. I love that split roller on the saros... It ensures that not a lot of debris gets clogged in the rollers. I think the new roborock sweep which just has those two arms is fine, I definitely preferred the 3i sweeps (there are two of them, they're so large that they are cartoonish looking, and they always have contact with the floor). But every single model of vacuum is different, because they're just too many factors at play. For instance, the eufy e25 and e28 should be fantastic. They've got the double sweeps that make contact with the floor. They have a split roller design. They have high suction. And yet the robot blows because the software sucks and it errors out all the time. It's why it's hard to judge a vacuum based on the stats alone.

There are two models that do this well. The Saros 10 and the X50. There are distinct differences between the two that will help you decide, since in terms of climbing, they're about the same. 1. The x50 has to return to base often to recharge/empty, more so than the Saros. It would take a whole day to get a 2000sqft home (these are champagne problems, but...) 2. You've got a real difference of cleaning techniques. The X50 has two spinning mop pads, the Saros has a vibrating mop pad. Now, I prefer a mop pad, gets more grime out. But... it can't extend beyond the robot, so the twin pads get close to walls, get under toe kicks, etc. 3. While they share the same features for the most part, the app experience on Roborock is preferable, IMO. Less adverts, etc. 4. Navigation wise, VERY comparable. In either case, wait for Prime Day.

Hey. I have textured white tile. It makes me INSANE, because grime settled into the pitted areas of the tile. Here's my advice, after testing 50 or so robots. It makes sense that the best results would be from the spinning mop pads, but they're the least effective. For reasons I am unable to explain, the vibrating mod pad seems to be the most effective, far better than roller mops. The vibrating does the best job, and some newer models like Saros 10/10R have the lifting chassis that seems to be a good job of putting downward pressure on the mop. That all said... its unrealistic to expect that the robot, any robot, will get grime off your tiles. The best you should hope for is that manual scrubbing will do that, and a robot can maintain it (more or less).

no. I'd go w the Saros. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1lr2zgt/comment/n1vhrkz/?context=3) are my recommendations on what to buy.

These models are SO discounted for PD, I wouldn't wait. Get the 10.

There is no perfect robovac.... but... I like the robots with split rollers, like the Roborock Saros line. These also have a removable tray, and I think the hardware is solid. But in reality, almost all premium robovacs and even the midtiers have these features (removable trays, etc).

Hey, I am as excited as you are to test a DJI robot, but that's all. Test it. I can't see any reason to wait, because it could (and likely will) have quirks that need to be worked out. And I like DJI. There are a lot of brands, but I agree with the Roborock sentiment for this reason: they are consistently putting out good machines, whereas most other companies are hit and miss for me, and some are just consistent misses. If your dad is getting these clean via Swiffer, almost anything is going to be better or atleast the same, EXCEPT for the "edges" of rooms. He may still Swiffer, but atleast it'll only be toekicks, corners, under the stove/fridge, etc. I don't have numbers on the Saros downward force... they may well be out there. But just think of it this way, that lifting chassis brings up the front of the robot to go over thresholds. The back is forced downward, where the mop is. What I can say is that I think you can't go wrong here and you're probably making yourself more nuts than you have to. Both were GREAT machines and honestly, I had a very hard time saying one was better. They're mildly different, that's all. Based on what you're saying, if you trust me, go with a 10R.

CONGRATULATIONS. your life will immediately get better. The X50 and the Saros 10 are the best choices of what you mentioned. Here's why: [https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1lu7dbu/every\_prime\_day\_robovac\_and\_recommendations/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1lu7dbu/every_prime_day_robovac_and_recommendations/)

Vac/mop units are fantastic, especially the most modern new ones which fit under more furniture and are smarter at navigating obstacles and taller transitions, etc. My roborock s9 has done almost 300,000 square feet of cleaning across almost 800 hours of runtime over about 4 years. Would not want to do without mine. Cost so far, all-in with supplies and cleaner, averages out to about $300/year (unit was $950 + \~$250 for extra vac bags, floor cleaner, spare brushers/rollers kit, extra mop pads, extra bin filters, etc). Had a short-haired dog for 3 of those years. I expect this one to run for another couple years, so less than $175/year final cost isn't even a question. I want to upgrade to a Saros 10R, which is what I would buy today. Self-cleaning dock with hot water, etc. but it's not cheap at $1300 plus presumably some additional accessories, etc. Presumably there will be even better ones in 2 years when I need a replacement, but for sure the robot is a game changer if you have the patience to setup maps and zones for it, and also do a little prep cleanup immediately before it runs. Good luck!

A couple weeks ago I had to also make the choice and after a lot of research I went for the Saros 10R. Roborock as a brand comes out as most reliable it seems. As well as having the best app. And then Saros 10R is a top model, one of the best you can get right now.

10R here, don’t have any streaking at all. Very happy with it.

Saros 10R here. Love this thing.

This isn’t true, the Saros 10R has lidar as well. The 10 has a retractable lidar and the 10R has one built into its Starsight system and is less prone to failure because it doesn’t require a spinning turret. Here is a good comparison between the 2 bots: https://vacuumwars.com/roborock-saros-10r-vs-10-comparison/

Good choice! I love my 10R

You should check it out again. Recently got a software update on the 10r and it avoids even the smallest of objects

You should check it out again. Recently got a software update on the 10r and it avoids even the smallest of objects

I'll repeat what I said elsewhere  Get the roborock or dreame flagship - roborock saros 10r or dreame x50 ultra these are the top 2 companies and you can't go wrong with their best

I had the S7 Maxv Ultra for two years. Cleaning was really good. But there were some issues. My main complaint was the dock, it was difficult to clean and maintain, and it would require a heavy cleaning once in a while or it would start to smell. It was especially hard to get the gunk out, around the little cleaning brush and wiper in the dock. I did it, but swore I would get a different model next time. When it died a week ago, I wanted to get the new Saros 10r. But regionally here, its a lot more expensive. So got the Saros 10. I had it for 24 hours, then returned it. It was smarter looking then my S7, it moved about more intelligently, and it crossed the high barriers in my house. But the mopping was surprisingly bad, worse even then my S7. I did 4x full deep cleans on maximum power in my kitchen/living room and in none of these cleans, did not manage to get any dry stains off on our laminate floors. Mind you, these stains were not week old, nor difficult to remove. It ran over these stains several times to no effect. I could moist my finger and remove the stain without any force. But it didn't manage to remove any of them. It vacuumed pretty good, on par with my old S7. But it did not reach out to clean the floors under my radiators, as my old S7 did. Don't know if it was an obstacle avoidance setting, but it didn't. It did manage to get under one particular annoying serving table I have in a hallway, where the s7 and older models usually got stuck, so that part was good. The dock was a clear upgrade in pure functions, with the detergent dispenser, and the heating system. But it still got nasty like the old S7. After a full day of cleaning, gunk started building up in all the same places. So, it went back. I really REALLY, wanted it to be good. As I have a ton of spare mopping pads for it, and I thought it looked cool. But it wasn't good enough. I am now contemplating the Qrevo Curv, as a replacement. Due to the easy to clean dock, and the different mopping system. I wanted to try the Saros 10r, but it's just too expensive here.

Many robot vacuums can get the job done; Roborock, Eufy, and Dreame are all reliable brands. I suppose pet hair and paw prints might be big issues in your home, so preventing tangles and mops are important. The Roborock Saros 10R and Eufy E28/25 feature dual separation rollers to tackle tangles. For mopping, spinning mops are sufficient, but if you want the best, go for a roller mop.

I have the 10R and it's perfect.

What settings are being used for the vacuuming. I have my carpets set at full power and it pulls out the ultra fine dirt from the pad and the carpet has been here for years. Even my old upright has enough power to suck up the dirt from the pad. I have the saros 10r the rest of the house with hardwood floors it set at medium suction. So if you are not picking up much change settings.

Has the same, s7 without Station so just charging dock and went to 10R - amazing.

Best bits for me: will start cleaning without me having to manually wetten the mop or having to wash it after use or exchange the mops. Mops the corners and doesn’t leave this uncleaned line and looks much cleaner compared to the s7 mopping results. It’s is SO MUCH more quiet than the s7 it ramped up the suction power from 4000 to 19000 yet I can let it clean my office room while being in a call now. Bad bits: first two sessions it will navigate quite bad until it really seems to know the rooms and furniture, after the second round of full clean it now navigates flawlessly. Bad bits that stayed: it takes longer to full clean (including mopping) since it returns to the station to clean the mop in between. I used to clean my whole apartment when on lunch break (1h) and 10R requires double the time for same space but comes out much more cleaner tbh. Would fully recommend!

That duo divide is just awesome and worth the upgrade!

We got a 10R to clean our studio at work. About 12x18m and it failed miserably. From comments here I determined that the new Starsight system has a higher resolution but not as much range as the LiDAR. So if you go for a robot, take one that uses LiDAR or even gyroscopic navigation.

Yeah, I got quite disappointed with the 10R tho. I mean it's top of the line everything but even with placing additional reference points in the space, it couldn't clean it. Also it's not an easy space, white walls, big full size windows and also some mirrors (both not all the way to the ground but almost). So there is a lot that can confuse it. Nevertheless, I also think there is some software problem as well. The added picture is just one of the experiments I made you can see the additional reference points. It was the same result in all the "rooms" https://preview.redd.it/p1z1d7c9xjwe1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea9588d9e0f343d521e442927ccfee062c376ce6

I have a Saros 10 downstairs and a P50 upstairs. The Saros 10 is double the price and I can't see any difference after they clean. Both are very good.

Check out the youtube channel Vacuum Wars, he does a ton of comparisons and yearly roundups. I have one of the more recent Roborock ones where the roller on the bottom is split in the middle, and hair rolls inward (they call it DuoDivide). I have found it to do a good job of not tangling due to the way it's designed and it has worked great for me, though the thing definitely wasn't cheap. That being said, I wouldn't call almost any electronic device BIFL, especially ones with a lot of moving parts.

First generation one here and still going strong without having had to replace anything. I recently got a Saros 10R as an upgrade and while it cleans very well and is nice and quiet, the base station broke within a month...

It's a no Brainer Buy it And saros 10 is better than r because it has vibrating mop pad which are better I use s8 max v ultra Just buy saros 10 asap at this cost

I have both Saros 10R and Eufy e28. Writing up a review at the moment, will post later in the week. IMO 10R's vacuuming isn't great, but for us at least it gets the floating hair on the medium pile carpet. I would say e28's vacuuming performance is similar or slightly worse in my environment. And yes e28 leaves dirty water around sometimes due to dirty water tank design. For now I'm thinking of keeping both because neither is perfect and I want the best of spinning and roller mop. Feel free to ask more questions if you have any.

I have both Roborock Saros 10R and Eufy e28 on your list for a couple of weeks now. And for now I decided to keep both. Posted a review earlier: https://www.reddit.com/r/Roborock/s/PW7vVWd6uN From my limited research, Roborock seems to be the most reliable brand, with Eufy coming in second. I also had a Roomba i7+ for about 3 years. I would say for vacuuming performance, 10R and e28 would not exceed your i8, but they are much better in other aspects, such as navigation and mopping. If your floor is mostly tile, both should do fine. Feel free to ask any questions you might have.

I think it looks nice - I’ve had problems with every roomba I’ve owned and most people I know generally don’t like their roombas. I’ve been super pleased with the S10.

Honestly with all of the negativity around this, I would never have expected Costco to carry it. Costco requires the manufacturer to eat the cost of returns. Not sure what to make of it.... We have a dog who loves to grab socks from our laundry hamper and leave them all over the floor. It's nice that the Saros 10R can avoid them well, but it gets in the way of actually having the floors completely cleaned. Even if it is slow, there's like 10 hours in a day when the house is empty and if it can make some progress that would be better than nothing.

Hard floors or carpet? I have the Saros 10 with duo divide and it does an excellent job of not getting tangled, but it also doesn't actually pick up the hair off of carpet and rugs. So it's great for hard floors, but for my carpeted upstairs I use a Roomba because untangling once a week or so is worth actually getting the floor clean.

I have used the flagships from all the main Chinese brands, but I wouldn't say that any one is, on whole, better than the Roomba J9 or C10. My main gripes with the Roomba are hair tangles on the roller spindles, lack of edge mopping, and a fast side brush that flings crumbs out of the path. Most recently I got a Roborock Saros 10 that does indeed address those issues, but it falls short in others. The Roomba scrubs dried stains more effectively and it vacuums more debris out of thick carpet. Even though hair can get tangled around the roller spindles, it actually picks up the hair off the carpet. No other brand has been able to effectively pick up hair/fur/fuzz off my carpet (I'm sure Dyson would be an exception, but it doesn't mop). The Roborock won't get close enough to my table pedestal to get the crumbs that have fallen there, which is a daily annoyance. Roomba has no trouble with this. Roomba has great integration with Google Assistant, so I can have it clean shortcuts/routines without having to take my phone out of my pocket. I haven't seen any other brand be able to do this. Roomba and Shark are the only brands that can effectively avoid dragging a wet pad across medium pile carpet. Other brands don't lift the pad high enough, and the idea of dropping off the pads is useless when you have to traverse across carpet to get to/from the place to mop. There are a lot of complaints that Roombas can't navigate in the dark. While LiDAR bots can navigate in the dark, good object avoidance still relies on cameras, which doesn't work as well in the dark anyway. So better to clean in the light anyway. So I think the Roomba c10 and the Shark Nevertouch Pro are both excellent choices that you shouldn't feel bad about. They will have annoyances, but so will anything else.

I have both the Saros 10R and the Dreame X50. The Dreame will be returned. See my rant below https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreame_Tech/s/Bb6vhuwSgC

The 10R is the best all around on your list. The X50 is still has buggy software even after all of these months since it's release. The L50 is pretty good navigation and cleaning. It's a bit louder than the Saros 10R, but not terrible. The X9 mops and vacuums the best, but doesn't do the best in corners. The Ecovacs app is a little weak compared to Roborock and Dreame, but it gets the job done. I own the 10R, L50, and X9, so my opinions are based on my experience.

It handles tangles better but you will forever need to manually vacuum with a dog like that. It does a great job maintaining hard floors for me but I still have to vacuum my carpets almost weekly with 3 pets.

We got our saros 10r two days ago. We’ve had it clean the entire house twice already. We have a lab that is constantly shedding and we just could keep up. The machine has done a phenomenal job of cleaning. We can see and feel a huge difference. Haven’t had any trouble with obstacle avoidance. On a couple of occasions it would cross over an extension cord, but once I noted on her app that the cord could be ignored it did fine. I will say (as noted by someone above), even between day 1 and 2 it was clear that the machine learned to better navigate the house and recognize a variety of objects (beds, rugs, cords, etc.) Highly impressed. Caveat: this is my first robo-vac, so I have nothing to compare it too. I have read that it’s way slower in cleaning than the Qrevo for example. It does seem slow, but I don’t think I expected it to be fast and do a good job. So, I kinda don’t care.

I think the 10 R has great navigation. My biggest complaint is that it runs over cables and clothing sometimes, but it recognizes everything else.

Not having experienced another roller, my experience with the DuoDivide, a shedding NFC, and a long-haired partner, is just problem free.

Coming from an S7 MaxV Ultra after 2 years and now an owner of an S10, I can say, the S10 is the better choice. Done a lot of research on it over the last 6 months, thought the R was the better one but... nope. Sadly the R has a lot more issues wich have to be sorted out. But anyways, got rugs almost in the entire house, a lot of them high, a long hair collie and We're 3 People. So far after 2 weeks of having one, I am amazed. Only got stuck once so far, and it was on a fan, else wise, haven't had to put up even single No Go Zone, the S7 needed about ... 8. Was 8 the Max? Idk. But it was getting stuck way to often. Also, if You got a place for the fresh and dirt water and You know how to hook it up or someone to do it for You, I'd recommend the one with the auto empty fixed water hook up. I've got My S10 with the waterhookup for 1400 bucks while it was on sale, maybe wait a bit longer and get one with even less work to do.

Saros 10R has 21,600 sensor points. Mine detects a 2cm brick of Lego on grey carpet.

I've got the 10R it's amazing on hard floor but wish carpet was a little better. I only have 2 carpet rooms so not too bad but ran it over 2x cleans and then went over again with my dyson v8 and picked up a fair bit still.

Hard floors and tiles it scores very well https://www.rtings.com/robot-vacuum/reviews/roborock/saros-10r Most honest and knowledgeable review I've looked it. I got my unit on 21st May so any questions ask away

Saros 10 will lift its chassis and make easy work of this

I was waiting since January for 10R to come to Aus and gave up. Bought the Curv and used it for 2 weeks. The then Saros 10R was released on Amazon so I retuned my Curv and got Saros 10R. Pretty much same performance but the obstacle avoidance is next level compared to it. Also alot slimmer.

Spinning mods are better from reviews I have seen and the Edge and Curv are same robot just different dock. Saros 10 i would rate 10/10 obstacle avoidance where the Curv/ Edge I would rate 6/10. Not a fan of the vibrarise mop but on Saros 10 it's noisy and can't do good edge cleaning. Both have same performance and same brush design. Suction power means nothing on roborocks these days they all rate the same on flow tests. Hard choice.

Saros 10R or Curv is a good pick. Depending on your needs and budget?

Saros 10R is a slightly better robot vacuum than its predecessor, the Roborock Qrevo Curv. It shares much of its design but adds or improves features. The Saros 10R removes the Curv's top-mounted LIDAR sensor to travel under lower furniture and has a much better obstacle avoidance system. It reuses the Curv's excellent mopping and AdaptiLift threshold climbing systems. Unfortunately, the Saros 10R also uses the Curv's split brushroll, which reduces hair tangling but still performs poorly picking up pet hair. Compare them both here https://www.rtings.com/robot-vacuum/tools/compare/roborock-qrevo-curv-vs-roborock-saros-10r/74367/88296

https://preview.redd.it/gvybh0qntzlf1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16ef4fbf46ad6d8568fceae1018de3df252323c1 Had mine since launch and its amazing. Only chewed up one cable I accidentally left out on dark carpet but it stopped after few seconds

Yeah was looking at the 10R, think we may start off with one of those, see how well it works in a limited area and then expand from there. Was hoping something in the QRevo lineup would work since they are $500-$600 cheaper but want the best we can get for our use case as well.

I have a Saros 10r and two long hair cats, and all the other hairy things. I have been very impressed with it compared to my previous models, the s7 and s8.

I bought a saros 10r and a mova V50 ultra complete on prime day to upgrade from a s7. I kept seeing review after review of how the saros just didn't do a good job vacuuming. The saros also ended up being 330 dollars more than thr mova during prime day. Adding a 3 year warranty to the saros (mova comes with a standard 3 year) cost another 129 and the mova came with an additional $200 dollars worth of accessories. I couldn't justify the price difference and sent the saros 10r back. So far we are very happy with the mova.

I don’t know if it excels because it’s our first robot, but we are quite pleased with the Saros 10R from Raborock.  It has like 20k suction.  However I am hearing better things about the roller mop as it sucks up the dirty stains and liquids into the robot vs spreading it around after the pads absorb what they can.  I think the pads help more with set in stains and smaller spills.  Correct me if I’m wrong.  Maybe they need to combine the roller with the higher suction 

I have not really much to add here since i have a completely different approach regarding cleaning performance tests. Vacuumwars does mainly some sweeping tests (the only more vacuuming weighted test is their cravis test that they for whatever reason do not attach much value anymore in their rating - their carpet test is flawed mainly due to the design and short runtime - one issue is that it favours multipass tech like iRobots DirtDetect and punish longer periods of edge/corner cleaning (no dirt embedded) or slower navigating robots - and does not represent longterm cleaning). I test the longterm vacuuming performance (and connected to this to what extend the robot is able ro replace manual cleaning) using certified test dust for both hardfloor and carpets that simulates household dust that is much more difficult to remove even compared to sand (and is mandantory for IEC testing standards for all vacuuming cleaning devices including vacuum robots). If you may have seen some of my latest videos or especially about the Saros 10R hardfloor part ( [https://youtu.be/08SC1tb69j4?t=357](https://youtu.be/08SC1tb69j4?t=357) ) you have seen that these units are no able to remove this dust from my laminat by vacuuming only - they need mopping - and even with mopping they are not able to remove the dust in the gaps/grouts - something that some (by far not all) vacuuming focused robots are able to do without problems. I would go into this in more detail for vac only robots (and mopping overall) but i have no footage uploaded yet (besides the iRobot Max 705 that also fails this test) to "proof" it for way better performing robots with the same testing conditions i used for the Saros 10R testing video. But here is one example i posted in a reddit post a while ago (as stated before not the current test condition i use and it covers the vac part only). [https://youtu.be/nRTN\_0T6Z6Y?si=nP7DfZ7loXYIeDIq](https://youtu.be/nRTN_0T6Z6Y?si=nP7DfZ7loXYIeDIq)

Roborock Saros 10R cleaning performance review https://youtu.be/08SC1tb69j4 3 carpets included using certified test dust. Depending on carpet it is even outperformed by a s7 (your s8 is also worse than the s7) It is not a good vacuuming robot.

If having the best mopping performance is one of your main goals then e28. If you want the best balance of performance and reliability with great suction power, Saros 10r. If you’re not in a rush, wait for Roborock or Dreame to release a roller or tack mop option. I couldn’t bring myself to spend that much on a device with spin mops. Just save the money and get a Mova p50 pro ultra or Dreame l40 ultra in that case. The roomba shouldn’t even be on your list.

That makes sense. We were after a more general purpose. Ended up buying the Roborock Saros 10R.

Thank you very much. Great detailed response. I think I may get the 10 instead of the 10R based off your experience. I was also looking to get one for my parents, and so far at least people have said the Saros app is better/ easier to use.

Just had this 2 days but here is a video of the Roborock Dance Party I found in settings as well as my first impressions. The Saros 10R’s dock packs a massive 16.3-ounce detergent bottle, which is great for minimizing refills. But the cord management on the dock is awkward—the thick power cord doesn’t sit cleanly, and I’m not sure if I’m just folding it wrong or if it’s a design flaw. Mapping had some hiccups: the bot got stuck by my toilet during the first run, though remapping fixed it. The auto-room partitioning isn’t the sharpest—I had to manually split my living room and kitchen. That said, the adaptive lift chassis works well once you mark thresholds or carpets in the app. Edge detection is solid, though it still bumps into cords dangling from walls (needs a software tweak?). The app is sleek and intuitive, way better than competitors, and the "Hello Rocky" voice assistant responds instantly. But there are gaps: no notifications when tasks finish, when mop pads are removed, or when drying starts. Also, no option to set a cleaning order for rooms? Seriously? And why does the app occasionally flash a weird strobe light effect during live view? Mopping performance is strong overall. The auto-remopping feature works in all modes (nice!), and **the water residue is perfect for me—floors dry quickly but still feel thoroughly cleaned**. Bigger issue: if you set it to vacuum carpets first, after it does that it will go pick up the mop pads and start mopping without washing the mop pads first, major software bug? Carpet mapping is janky on the first run just like Dreame (you need to do a full vacuum cycle for accuracy), but it *does* auto-delete phantom carpets over time. Can’t delete them manually, though. **TL;DR** - **Likes:** Huge detergent tank, adaptive mopping, self-correcting carpets, sharp edge/threshold detection, smooth app, **ideal water residue**. - **Gripes:** No task/mop notifications, app glitches, clunky room partitioning, can’t set cleaning order. - **Verdict:** Hardware shines, software holds it back. Fixable flaws, but updates need to happen ASAP. Still, the mopping smarts (and **flawless floor-drying**) and dock features make it a solid contender—if you’re patient with quirks.

I also want to add that the accessories included with this is basically nothing. Just a bag, no detergent, no extra filters or anything. Roborock lacks compared to Dreame with this.

Overall I’m very happy with it!

- Roborock - dreame - ecovacs I personally use Roborock saros 10R.

Ah sorry yes, Saros 10R. Edited the post. Thank you

Yes, I have a dog and have the Roborock Saros 10R. My house is 100000x cleaner. I run it to vacuum once a day and mop like once a week. And no I’m not a roborock bot or salesman :P

Haha true but it also depends on the breed, the season and how large the house or apartment is for the hair to build up quickly or slowly All I can say is I’ll never ever go back to a house with a pet and no robot vacuum. I see it as a requirement now for having a dog or a cat. It’s SO NICE And NO I’m not a vacuum robot salesman :D

Hey everyone, could it be that my Saros 10R is faulty? It is set to MAX suction power, auto emptying the dustbin is set to high and empty mode is set to max. Unfortunately it’s not able to clean my carpets at all. I took the picture of my entry way carpet after it completed two vacuuming runs. There’s still a bunch of crumbs, hairs and two small leaves left. Very disappointed after spending over 1200 euro :/

Pfff okay I’m going to return it then. It’s literally leaving a bunch of crumbs after 2 runs. And the crumbs are not deep in there at all

I have the Roborock Saros 10R and its split roller makes short work of our Newton's never ending trail of glitter. I have owned (and replaced) a Wyze Smart Vac and a Roomba. Neither holds a candle to the Saros 10R.

Robotic vacuums. I have had 3 different brands and the Roborock Saros 10 is the only one that doesn’t get clogged with the hair.

Roborock Saros 10R will have better navigation, even with no lidar tower.

Bald dogs 😂 You asked this at just the right time when anti-tangling tech has essentially matured in robot vacuums. Dreame (DuoStream or TriCut brush), Narwal (conical brush), and roborock (DuoDivide) offer great antitangling solutions for their main and side brush. It’s become cheaper too as this feature has matured.

How tall is the piece of transition? For a single one up to 30mm, the roborock models with the AdaptiLift chassis (the most expensive QRevo Curv/Edge and the Saros line). Anything higher up to 4.2cm, if a threshold is less than 9cm long (5.2cm if it is at least 9cm long), will need the Dreame X50 Ultra or any equivalent MOVA model (V50 Ultra). I am aware that Dreame's L/X50 Ultra and any model (such as MOVA's V50 Ultra or the rare UK-only Dreame L40s Pro Ultra) that uses dual conical brushes has a *live fur compression* feature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOOU0uJsVdU), which helps mitigate the issue of pet fur clogging the dustbin, even though the space isn't fully utilized. I saw it in action, and I think it lives up to its claim. It also cleans its filter when auto-emptying. This should be helpful for homes with heavy shedders such as yours\~ For paw prints, I think a robot that can identify messes like this and act accordingly would be important too. Dreame and Narwal do well with this if you turn on certain functions, such as their smart cleaning mode and intelligent mess detection.

Many robots cannot mop with warm or hot water. This is currently a new feature on upright vacuum mop combos. Currently there is only hot water mop washing on most models. The roborock Saros 10 claims to mop with hot water up to 70° and the Saros 10R claims to mop with warm water. I am skeptical of this claim as it doesn’t use a roller mop where it feasibly could live up to this claim. There is the upcoming MOVA Z50 Ultra that can mop with constant 36° water as it has a track type roller mop which makes this claim achievable. Generally, most robot vacuums also do fail when it comes to living up to the hot water mop washing claim. Dreame made models do reach the advertised temperature but it is mainly only for a moment and it’ll usually be washing the mops with lukewarm to warm water In the EU market, I’d recommend Xiaomi as the most cost effective robot vacuum mop combo brand unless you’d like the extra bells and whistles such as hot water mop washing + mop extension where it’ll be better to consider brands like dreame. Most of its combo models are compatible with the anti-tangling dreame TriCut brush. It works well in my home with a long haired corgi and people with long hair. The Xiaomi x20 pro looks rather nice. For obstacle avoidance, please tidy up your cables. Most LDS-only robots are rather stupid when it comes to reflective or transparent walls. I recommend models with good obstacle avoidance if your cat makes messes robots cannot clean and must avoid at all costs. This usually requires RGB cameras. If the best obstacle avoidance is what you’re looking for: Narwal Freo Z ultra or any of their RGB camera enabled robots. It currently seems to have the best (not perfect!) smart cleaning mode. Its strength lies in its good mopping and anti-tangling but sadly not vacuuming. Dreame RGB camera enabled models starting from the X30 Ultra and onwards. MOVA is a subbrand of dreame so RGB camera enabled robots from the P10 Pro Ultra and newer will perform similarly as it will use the same obstacle avoidance software. Dreame is a rather good all rounder combo robot with the best edge cleaning. Antitangling performance is also rather good. Eufy S1 Pro and other models that will use the “3D Matrix” binocular infrared 3D dToF sensor array. Roborock is also a good all rounder with the easiest app to use but it will not be as good avoiding obstacles such as cables and pet messes compared to other brands, especially on carpets. For self cleaning: Dreame/MOVA models with the AceClean dryboard where water jets are used to clean the mops. The x50 ultra will be best at self cleaning including cleaning its own filter when autoemptying but it is currently outside your budget. > dreame models that use the self driven wipers on the mop washboard ≈ roborock models using a mop washboard with motorized wipers ≈ NarWal’s mop washboard where they flush the washboard with water before and after washing the mops.

Many robots cannot mop with warm or hot water. This is currently a new feature on upright vacuum mop combos. Currently there is only hot water mop washing on most models. The roborock Saros 10 claims to mop with hot water up to 70° and the Saros 10R claims to mop with warm water. I am skeptical of this claim as it doesn’t use a roller mop where it feasibly could live up to this claim. There is the upcoming MOVA Z50 Ultra that can mop with constant 36° water as it has a track type roller mop which makes this claim achievable. Generally, most robot vacuums also do fail when it comes to living up to the hot water mop washing claim. Dreame made models do reach the advertised temperature but it is mainly only for a moment and it’ll usually be washing the mops with lukewarm to warm water In the EU market, I’d recommend Xiaomi as the most cost effective robot vacuum mop combo brand unless you’d like the extra bells and whistles such as hot water mop washing + mop extension where it’ll be better to consider brands like dreame. Most of its combo models are compatible with the anti-tangling dreame TriCut brush. It works well in my home with a long haired corgi and people with long hair. The Xiaomi x20 pro looks rather nice. For obstacle avoidance, please tidy up your cables. Most LDS-only robots are rather stupid when it comes to reflective or transparent walls. I recommend models with good obstacle avoidance if your cat makes messes robots cannot clean and must avoid at all costs. This usually requires RGB cameras. If the best obstacle avoidance is what you’re looking for: Narwal Freo Z ultra or any of their RGB camera enabled robots. It currently seems to have the best (not perfect!) smart cleaning mode. Its strength lies in its good mopping and anti-tangling but sadly not vacuuming. Dreame RGB camera enabled models starting from the X30 Ultra and onwards. MOVA is a subbrand of dreame so RGB camera enabled robots from the P10 Pro Ultra and newer will perform similarly as it will use the same obstacle avoidance software. Dreame is a rather good all rounder combo robot with the best edge cleaning. Antitangling performance is also rather good. Eufy S1 Pro and other models that will use the “3D Matrix” binocular infrared 3D dToF sensor array. Roborock is also a good all rounder with the easiest app to use but it will not be as good avoiding obstacles such as cables and pet messes compared to other brands, especially on carpets. For self cleaning: Dreame/MOVA models with the AceClean dryboard where water jets are used to clean the mops. The x50 ultra will be best at self cleaning including cleaning its own filter when autoemptying but it is currently outside your budget. > dreame models that use the self driven wipers on the mop washboard ≈ roborock models using a mop washboard with motorized wipers ≈ NarWal’s mop washboard where they flush the washboard with water before and after washing the mops.

This is definitely not exclusive on the ecovacs X9 pro omni. Ecovacs is late to this feature. Models that can do this well: Dreame’s L/X40 Ultra and newer (assuming there’s an RGB camera), Narwal Freo Z Ultra; Roborock Saros series and CurvX, MOVA P10 Pro Ultra, P50 Pro Ultra, Z50 Ultra, V50 Ultra

For spinning mops: Station Self cleaning: Dreame X50 Ultra > roborock Curv/Edge Saros 10R > Dreame L/X40 Ultra >≈ Ecovacs models with wipers in mop pad cleaning tray marketed as the 150 day cleaning free tray > roborock qrevo > all other dreame and ecovacs robots

What's your home like? Is it mostly hardfloors, carpet, or a mix of both? As for obstacle avoidance, the best options are the Dreame X/L40 Ultra and newer models, the Eufy S1 Pro, and the Narwal Freo Z Ultra. Roborock won't do as well for cables. If this isn't an issue, it'll be fine too. I don't recommend the roborock Z70, the Roborock Saros 10 and the QRevo Curv would be much better choices as accommodating the arm meant the cleaning performance had to be sacrificed. For corner cleaning, Dreame is the most aggressive in terms of its algorithm. Roborock is rather shy when it comes to cleaning corners with the extending side brush. I'm not sure about Eufy's E25/E28's extending side brush, but the square shape can make it harder for it to fit into corners if the algorithm isn't optimized. The Eufy S1 Pro and the Narwal Freo Z do not have as good corner cleaning capabilties.

The roborock Saros 10R is a good choice! I’d still tidy up my cables, especially for carpet though.

MOVA's Z50 Ultra is even better than the Eufy S1 Pro at mopping and performs decently with hair as it has a 300mL dustbin and the Dreame Tricut brush, which has worked well in my home with long hair and a long-haired corgi. I'd get this from Harvey Norman (with a protection plan for easy returns/replacement). JB HIFI seems to be harder with returns as users report JB HIFI needing to confirm with the manufacturer. Unfortunately, the good EOFY sale price of about 2000 AUD is now gone and it now sells at 3000 (ouch..), and no official plumbing kit is sold in Australia (get it from aliexpress or Taobao). If there's no threshold taller than 2.2 cm in your home, I'd check out the L40s Pro Ultra, which is essentially the Dreame X50 Ultra without the enhanced threshold crossing and retractable LIDAR. However, the battery life on the X50 Ultra and the L40s Pro Ultra isn't that good compared to the older Dreame models and the MOVA Z50 Ultra... As for food, I'm afraid no robot can sufficiently take care of this without making a mess you have to clean up. But good ones should identify food that isn't crumbs and avoid it, and tell you so in the app. The Narwal Freo Z Ultra will have the best smart cleaning mode and arguably the best robot mopper with spinning mops, but is rather water inefficient for larger homes, so connecting it to your plumbing is basically a must.

Sadly, I couldn't find the MOVA z50 Ultra on Amazon, and it seems the only other sales date will be during Black Friday in November :( If you're really insistent on the MOVA Z50 Ultra, I'll ask MOVA about any possible discounts. For the other robots: The Narwal Freo Z Ultra will feature the best smart cleaning mode, allowing for hands-off cleaning without requiring in-depth settings adjustments, thanks to its significantly improved computer vision compared to the Roborock S10R. However, roborock's Saros 10R app is easier to use and there are less disposables than the Narwal Freo Z Ultra's dustbin has a disposable plastic thing, which narwal says means its easier reducing the need to clean, but I think this just makes more waste and is unnecessary if you can give the dusbin a good clean. Go for the Roborock saros 10R for a good app and roborock reliability. Go for the Narwal Freo Z Ultra if you really want AI cleaning that's more than just a shoehorned buzzword.

For vacuuming only: Roborock Q8 Max+ or the Q5 Max+ For combos: Tricut brush (works great with a long-haired corgi and long-haired people in my home) compatible: most dreame models in the 10 series and newer Roborock's QRevo Curv and Edge can also be considered if dog "gifts" aren't a concern since they do well with dog fur. The upcoming Roborock Saros 10R can be considered if you'd like it to remove its mops when vacuuming the carpet. If dog "gifts" are a concern: MOVA's P10 Pro Ultra is currently the best bang-for-buck combo model at 659 USD. If you want a mop removal feature (I've seen many complaints about the feature not working as intended on the L40 Ultra), there are Dreame L40 Ultra, X40 Ultra, and X50 Ultra.

I’d recommend the roborock Saros 10 over the ecovacs X8. It won’t drag its mops across carpet which means carpet won’t be cleaned as well.

10R is better if your furniture has lower clearance that only the 10R can reach, prefer a square shaped base station, and has more dangerous obstacles to avoid. If you want a better mopping robot, the best robot in the Australian market would be the MOVA Z50 Ultra at 2100 on JB HIFI. It mops better than the Eufy E25.

Robrock actually has a better app as it has a simpler to use UI and doesn't suffer from the same room boundary dividing issue Ecovacs' app still has (for years!). For a well rounded combo, perhaps the saros 10r, saros 10, or the qrevo master (will need to occasionally remove hair around removable brush bearings) is a good choice.

Yes the 10r will do well on hard floors. Roborock’s main strength is navigation and even without a lidar tower, the Saros 10r is pretty good at navigation compared to other robots with an embedded lidar or hToF sensor array.

I’d look at robots that can stop vacuuming, lift the main and side brush and just mop when they detect a liquid spill. The Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track and the MOVA Z50 Ultra will be the closest robot to a steam mop as they use roller mops. There’s also the Narwal flow but no word on its release yet. Alternatively, there are robots with spinning mops that can do this after recognizing a liquid mess like Dreame’s L/X40 ultra and newer; roborock Saros models and the Curv X; the MOVA P10 Ultra/Pro Ultra, the P50 Ultra/Pro Ultra, and the V50 Ultra; and Narwal’s freo Z Ultra. Out of all of them, I’d recommend the MOVA V50 Ultra as it can mop with detergent and choose if it uses a pet odor neutralizing detergent when cleaning up after your dog or a regular one for general maintenance. Other roller mop models like the eufy S1 Pro, the eufy E25/E28, and the ecovacs X8 and X9 cannot mop up liquid spills without the vacuuming brushes smearing it.

The Saros 10 is a good choice but the mop pad cleaning tray is harder to clean compared to the Saros 10R and the qrevo models because it’s not fully removable.

The Saros 10 is a good choice but the mop pad cleaning tray is harder to clean compared to the Saros 10R and the qrevo models because it’s not fully removable.

https://youtu.be/fXF0zRDCixw? I don’t think the MOVA v50 will vacuum fine dust from carpets as well as your roborock s8, but will partially vacuum better than the Saros 10R. For me the main concern is fur so I’m pretty happy with how it gets rid of the embedded fur in my carpet.

I love mine too 💕 it’s so nice to come home from work and the floors are reliably clean. It works really well once we got it into the groove

It's not an evolution. It's a compromise due to limited available body space. The Duo Divide is definitely one or two classes above. Saros Z70 is a toy. Saros 10 and 10R are hardcore cleaners.

If you need it to climb high thresholds, X50. Best climber in class. If you need your robot to go under cupboards or other furniture with less than 11cm clearance, Saros 10 might be the right one. But for me I don't really need all those expensive extras. I'd be happy with a Curv (or Edge if available).

Then stay away from Z70. It has worse vacuuming performance. 10R has the very effective DuoDivide roller brush system with hair anti tangling. The Z70 is nowhere near as good. You'd pay for that Z70 arm not only with money, but also with compromises on cleaning performance. And what you get is a toy arm with currently very limited capabilities. Only very few item types are supported, and even then it fails on half of all attempts.

Best anti-tangling system on Roborocks is the Duo Divide brush, that is two half brushes with the gap in the center. You find it in any Qrevo Curv, Qrevo Edge and Saros 10 / 10R. If you don't need \- Climbing high thresholds \- Camera+Video \- Voice assistant then you could consider the light variants Qrevo Edge S5A or Qrevo Curv S5X. You may choose Curv or Edge just from the dock design. The robots are quite the same.

So if your choice is between the Saros models, then 10R with the Revo pads, definitely. 10R has been tested to be a very good mopper. Also obstacle avoidance is top-notch. And the dock is much simpler and easier to maintain / clean. You just take out the tray and flush in the sink. One minute every fortnight or so. Vibrarise docks need a washing actuator, that is another motor, another mechanical slider gear which you cannot remove for cleaning, and another consumable brush. A spinpad/revo dock doesn't need all this.

It largely depends on your situation. So if you have an advantage from one of these, \- need premium obstacle avoidance because of small parts everywhere and risk of pet accidents (10R only) \- low cupboards or furniture clearance where the Curv does not go under \- high pile carpets where it may be beneficial to leave the mopping pads behind in the dock Then it might be beneficial for you. However vacuuming and mopping performance do not differ that much. Still 10R much preferred. It's by far the more modern tech. Especially Starsight navigation which is outstanding in environment recognition and obstacle avoidance, although a little slower in initial mapping.

Curv, Edge and Saros, all models with AdaptiLift can stretch their legs to go over long pile without getting stuck. But don't expect them do do any good vacuuming while being raised.

My favorite is the roborock saros 10r. But unde $800 the qrevo master. Also the Dreme Mova E30 Ultra does everything and doesn’t sacrifice much.

Duo divide is incredible, more than a month of use without a single hair on the brushes. 2 cats and a long hair woman in the house.

Ditch the Eufy and Roomba...meh suction, outdated. Between Saros 10R and X50 Ultra, go X50 Ultra for stronger mop, better AI, newer tech. Saros is great too, just not as refined yet imo 🙌

Roborock S10R is your best bet. It has a great mop, low-maintenance dock, and reliable app. If you can plumb it in, even better. Skip Eureka and Narwal if you want less hassle🫣

It is extremely good at cleaning and avoiding obstacles. It not only memorizes obstacles but takes a photo of them that the user can touch while viewing the map to bring up the photo and to rename the type of obstacle if desired. The unit was an upgrade from a Roomba S9. That unit did a good job of vacuuming but was very prone to having problems with obstacles. For example, it would launch itself up onto the circular rod -like bases of several of my chairs and become stuck there. They Roborock 10R correctly recognized all of the bases as something to avoid. Some of them get labeled as chair bases and others simply as wires. **It has avoided every obstacle.** The first few times I ran the unit it stayed several inches away from all obstacles. Once it had completed several runs it began to come close to the obstacles but still avoided them–Getting close to obstacles to clean by them without touching them is great. It does a great job of vacuuming and mopping. I have read some reviews that rank the 10R is better than the 10. Very happy with the 10R.

I purchased a unit earlier this year at the current price because I wanted to get one before the tariffs might cause prices to skyrocket in the United States. Very happy with the unit and its excellent performance. My house is ranch-style with a single floor and a mixture of carpet and bare floor. Vacuum does an excellent job of vacuuming and mopping, Navigating and evading obstacles. OP is considering waiting until July prime days before a tariff pause deadline? I don't understand the bit about a tariff pause deadline. Have things changed yet again regarding tariffs? My understanding was that there is a ninety day pause on imported goods from countries other than China but not on those from China.

Oh man, at $1600 I wouldn’t touch an ecovacs. Too many issue with the app and customer support. Plus their side brushes are really aggressive and can spread crumbs instead of picking it up. $1600 just seems expensive for what ecovacs usually offers. With that said I think both would fit what you need and while I am totally on the roller mop bandwagon as it leaves the floors cleaner, i would get the 10r over the X9. For you, mostly because it’s cheaper and because the split brush on the 10r is absolutely amazing with long hair, and it’s 3.14 height means it can get under A LOT of things.

That’s not true at all. Vibrating mop is better at getting really dried on stains better than spinning mops. So I guess if you’re the kind of person to see a spill, let it sit for 24 hours or decide you want to use a blow dryer on it for some fun reason, then yeah it might do better, but other than that, It does not clean the floor as well as it holds less dirt and smears more dirt around. The saros 10 does a good job for a vibrating mop but it still has to clean its mop way more regularly than a spinning mop if you want to get close to the same cleanliness. cleanliness of floor. They’re better than they were, but still not great.

As Purr said a threshold is the thing that is usually there separating rooms. They can be anything from a small bump to an step. A lot of people have made great recommendations but If I were you I would look at the MOVA P50 Pro Ultra. I know it's about 500 AUS above what you want to spend but they do go on sale a lot. for instance the Roborock Saros 10R is almost 3k AUS and as far as I know doesn't do anything that this MOVA can't and has a 2 year longer warranty (3 years for MOVA). If you wanted to go cheaper, the MOVA P10 pro ultra is closer to $1200 AUS and is similar but is missing some of the convenience features. There are a ton more options out there, and different manufactures if you wanted to go a different route, but right now, MOVA is in a really good spot for price/performance and warranty. If I was looking for a robo vac right now that had spinning mop pads that's where I would be looking. Just remember, none of these are perfect, some will have issues, but once you find one that works, it will change your life :). Good Luck!

Oh man, sorry to hear, I have the Eufy S1 and it does a pretty good job at getting under things and not getting stuck. But I do believe it is now overpriced for what you get. If clearance is your #1 priority, then I would look at the Roborock Qrevo slim or the Saros 10R (newer version) as they are the slimmest I know of at 3.14 inches. One thing I would definitely do is measure furniture (tables, chairs, end tables, dressers, buffets) and see what height you need and go from there. Some things might require risers if you want to get under everything. I had to do that but now the only place the golden retriever hair can hide is under one couch lol.

I’ve had a great experience with my Roborock Saros 10R. I have a similar set up as you described above. The dock is very low maintenance. I appreciate the auto-dispensing detergent, which not all models or brands have. I also have peace of mind that the Roborock models will last a long time, since the brand has a good track record.

I have two Dreame x40s. Probably one of the best robot vacuums from the last generation. The new generation is the Roborock Saros 10R and Dreame X50. As for the x40, I have two of them and they have probably the best object avoidance on the market while also have great cleaning performance. I run them both on a daily schedule and they have no issues cleaning my house without eating cords, cat toys and other random things that end up on the floor. The obstacle avoidance lets me run it daily without having to prep my house. If you have to prep your house, or can't run the robot on a schedule, it makes a robot vacuum a lot less useful. I basically don't have to think about the robot outside of refilling it's water and cleaning the filter. I also tried the QRevo slim but returned it since its obstacle avoidance wasn't as good. It cleaned well, but the Dreame cleaned just as well while having superior object avoidance so kept the Dreame. Since the new generation of robots just came out, I would wait a bit before buying but it looks like the Saros 10R might be one of the best picks right now. The Dreame x50 also looks good but I've heard some issues and bugs with the software but it does have better features like a self cleaning vacuum filter. Either way I would wait a bit for bugs to be ironed out and more reviews to come out.

I have roborock saros 10. In the app, there’s an option to add to Apple Home. You don’t get fine options such as zone cleaning, routines, but you have option between vaccum/mop and choose one of the rooms or all rooms. I got the saros when it was discounted, recommend it 👍

I've owned both (Edge not curv but they're identical besides the base). My Qrevo Edge stopped working after a month so I just returned it instead of getting it replaced under warranty and waited for the Saros 10R instead. I've had the Saros 10r for a couple days now and ran it multiple times so there may be some things i'm not aware of yet but the main things i've noticed so far is that the Qrevo had bigger tanks so you don't need to fill the tank / clean out the dirty tank as often. Qrevo obviously has a bigger base footprint as a tradeoff. The Saros mapping was better/more accurate than the Qrevo and was able to accurately depict problem areas / pets. It automatically was able to map out my shoe rack, bed, couches on the map as well as all the rooms and carpets very accurately. The Qrevo wasn't bad by any means but the Saros has definitely been slightly better. I have a little 2 inch step up going from my kitchen to living room and both had no issues dealing with it. Both the mopping and vacuuming are of similar quality from the few runs i've done but i've also not had any extreme messes either. In terms of object avoidance, my Qrevo Edge was not able to avoid some cables or other things like small pet toys my puppy would bring out at times. Once it even ran over a little log (of shit) my puppy left out for it which caused me to have to open it up and clean it out. I haven't had this issue yet with my Saros in terms of pets. Fortunately my puppy is slightly older now so it's not shitting in the house so I can't say for certain the Saros would avoid it. I primarily used the Smartplan feature for both and both are good enough to handle my 2 dogs hair with no issues. I think the Saros 10r is a very slight upgrade over the Qrevo Edge/Curv but I don't think it warrants "upgrading" if you already have a Qrevo. It's definitely less of an upgrade if you have massive areas to clean as you'll need to swap out the water tanks far more often but that's also just an expected tradeoff. I do personally think if you're in a return window it's worthwhile to do so but realistically it's a very minor difference.

I've had the original Q Revo with no duo divide brush, I've had the Q Revo Edge and now have the Saros 10r with the duo divide brush. The duo divide brush really does make a huge difference. I have a Shepherd husky mix and that dog sheds like crazy but I don't see a single hair trapped on the duo divide brush.

I have tried both the eufy s1 pro with the roller mops and the saros 10r. No doubt about it the rollers work better. They left the floor very evenly wet and constantly used clean water vs just using the mop then washing etc. but, roller mops have wayyyyy more maintenance. Looked at how gross the dirty water talk onboard the eufy was after a few weeks and decided I didn’t want to have to constantly clean that. The saros 10r vacuums well and mops “good enough”’with the spinning heads.

I got my Saros 10R yesterday around this time (purchased it myself). I'm upgrading from a S7 Max V. Had a Neato D7 before that and a Robock S5 Max and very briefly a Dreame X40 that broke. [https://i.imgur.com/NwJO3iC.png](https://i.imgur.com/NwJO3iC.png) **Few things before I go into it:** I live in a relatively small home. My first floor is mostly hardwood/tile with a 15x20' area rug in the living room. My second floor is all deep carpet. I have a long haired German Shepherd and a wife that both shed a fair amount of longish hair. I keep my rooms mostly tity but my computer does have a fair amount of cables/wires that are wrapped together, but run along the floor. My wife also has a Korg keyboard that has a foot pedal and she often leaves it on the ground. **Super Pros:** * General hardwood/tile mopping significantly better than the S7 Max V. My wife and I both noticed it immediately after the first clean I ran. It covered more areas, got closer to objects (the pivoting side mop helps a lot with that) it reached under my cabinets and it was able to get under two pieces of furniture the S7Max couldn't fit under. * Low Pile Rug performance is much better. I do wish I could set it to 2x crisscross every time on the area rugs.. but the mixed pattern will have to do. * It's way, way, way quieter. General runs are quieter. Max+ mode (or w/e its called) is way quieter. Mopping is now nearly silent. The transfer from robot to base is much quieter than the S7 MaxV. * The Anti-Tangle brush is actually Anti-Tangle. All my previous vacuums would get hair tangled in a single run - I'd clean them at least once a week (neato way more) to get all the hair out. After 24 hours, I see 0 hair stuck. Not one. * The feature set is more rich over the S7 Max. This one is a think a bit annoying because I feel like a some of these features the S7 could do, its just software locked.. but having the ability to do pet area deep cleaning, mixed pattern cleaning, the rug options + all the leave behind the mops, extensions, re-mopping, etc is all really cool. * The detergent dispenser is a nice addition over the S7 MaxV. * The ability to clean out the tray and the self cleaning stuff is super nice. **Kind of Pros but maybe a little not:** * Hair Pickup on carpet is better than the S7 MaxV but still worse than the Neato D7. * I confirmed this by running the S7 Max V first (with rubber brush), on my upstairs carpeted room - that I purposely haven't vacuumed in a week. S7 Max V barely got anything and had some wrapped around the edges - as it does. The Saros 10R filled about a quarter of it's bin - but no tangles! The Neato filled the entire, much larger, bin, the chute partially jammed with hair and the bristle brush was wrapped completely. Neato is still king of deep carpet cleanup (if you ignore how jammed full of hair it gets) * I think the takeaway here is that the Saros 10R is big improvement but I find Roborock still lacks with hair pickup on deep carpets - even area rugs, to an extent.. over much older vacuums. * Pivoting Side Brush is good.. sometimes? When it works, it obviously works and pulls stuff out of corners, I don't find it working that often though - especially under the cabinets/corner cabinets. It comes outsometimes for a bit then goes away. (this is with the AI Lab Flexi arm thing enabled). * Navigation seems similar/better. In terms of actually going around and finding how to get there, it seems quicker (i haven't timed it) and it does less random movements like my S7 Max V did both during and after its cleaned. **Cons:** * The obstacle avoidance seems worse, maybe even way worse? I know it's only been 24 hours and I know the system the 10R specifically uses is new, but so far it's been pretty bad at detecting things, especially cables. * Yesterday when I was messing around with it, it ran into one of my dogs stuffed toys and got stuck on it. It also decided to "jump" little tray tables I have under my sofa, and got stuck on a wire behind them. (I set this as a no-go from now on). * This morning was the first time I ran it on a schedule - I do it early before I wake up, but I woke up to it stuck on the cable for my Wife's keyboard, the mop got wrapped in the cable and it pulled it off. * Just an hour or so ago today, when I was testing the carpet pickup on the second floor, it ran into a sock under my nightstand and got jammed. * Kind of disappointing considering my S7 Max V maybe got stuck twice, in the entirety of 2 years I owned it. I'm chalking this up to a combination of bad luck, weirdness because it's trying to hop stuff the others wouldn't attempt, and relatively new firmware on a new type of obstacle avoidance system. I hope it will improve. * All the Bins are too damn small. * My dog blows his coat twice per year. When that happens my S7 Max V can sometimes get nearly filled with dog hair. I've had to split rooms up into subrooms in order to force it to go back to the dock more often to empty. In this case - the Saros 10R not only has a smaller bin, but it's better at cleaning hair. I can see this being a problem. * It seems to use more water than my S7 MaxV while mopping, yet the clean and dirty bin are both smaller. Which means more refills. * The gloss on the front of the dock is a fingerprint magnet. I hate it. **Conclusion:** Overall, again after only 24 hours, I think its' a pretty nice upgrade over the S7 MaxV and I plan on keeping it. I'm hoping software improves the obstacle avoidance, which is my biggest concern at the moment. I also hope Roborock continues to improve it's suction/hair pickup performance - i really hope youtubers also create better tests for this. A lot of these guys say these newer robots are "perfect" at it and it's just not been my experience at all. They are getting better - in fact tangles seem solved, which is great, but they also leave a ton of hair behind.. even when compared to older robot vacuums but especially compared to a Dyson or something. **If anyone has any questions or wants anything specifically answered let me know ill do my best to respond.**

Yes I'm still satisfied but there are definitely areas the robot lacks and things I don't think I see often spoken about. For starters the bin size is effecting me more than i thought. As I wrote in the original post, I have a long haired German Shepherd dog and he sheds a fair amount. I manually move my vacuum the second floor about once a week, sometimes longer. The bin is too small so it fills up entirely and hairfluff gets jammed coming out of the suction hole. But not only is the bin small, the design doesn't allow it to fill the bin. I've basically never seen the bin entirely full, it's always 80% or so full with gaps on the edges. I've looked around a bit and apparently this is a known issue and it was an issue on the previous Q8 I think? It's not the end of the world - I clean it out run it again and/or try to bring it to the second floor more often. I personally find the object avoidance worse than my S7 MaxV. On top of it being worse (in terms of colliding with objects) the design of the spinning mops makes it more likely to stop the run. Basically my S7 Max V would occasionally run over stuff -- but it would continue going. The mop pad wouldn't get bulled off. The Saros 10R not only seems to hit more objects, but when it does the mop pad often gets pulled off and requires intervention. This is a little frustrating - that being said I know someone else with the 10R that doesn't have this problem. I really think this has to do with the surface types/colors. I have dark grain hardwood floor and a geometric carpet. I think it struggles on this. I find it not only uses more water but the water in is smaller, requiring slightly more maintenance than my S7 Max V. \_\_ That being said I LOVE the anti-tangle brush. 3 Months and I haven't had to clean the brush one time. It's literally perfect for me. It mops/vacuums significantly better than my S7 MaxV. Especially on carpets (especially especially pulling dog hair off carpets). It cleans corners better. Gets under more objects because it's smaller. It's just way way better at cleaning in general. It's super quiet, way quieter than the S7 MaxV. The dock maintenance is significantly better. It does a better job self cleaning but also when you have to manually clean having the ability to just pull the tray out is awesome. Overall I really like it - I probably won't be upgrading for 2-3 generations as this really fixed the hair problem which was my biggest issue with the last vacuum. I don't really care for the arm pickup stuff - I'd rather them try to design vacuums that clean/climb stairs personally. FWIW I had a Dreame and had a problem with it and their support turned me off their whole company. Roborock might be just as bad but I've had 3 roborocks with no issues.

The 10/10R is the latest and greatest. Worshippers of the others just haven’t upgraded yet. If money is no object, get one of those.

Second this, except I do have that periodic problem where it just bricks on my floor for a bit in a disconnected state. Buttons are unresponsive and app doesn’t connect. It eventually fixes itself, but once or twice I’ve had to re-dock it because of power when it bricked like that and didn’t come back online in time. One time I had to go through the whole reconnection process (QR code to connect direct and establish WiFi) Most research on it is pretty inconclusive, but a lot of suggestion that it is my router trying to bump it over to 5Ghz when it only supports 2.4. Unfortunately I can’t select which band by device on my router. Other than that, it performs extremely well for cleaning, object avoidance, self cleaning, etc

4500AED is close to 1215USD. The 10R does really good at mopping our hardwood floor and cleaning its own mops afterwards. Honestly, I would spend the extra money to get the better mopping system of the 10R if you can wait.

With an increase in the number of parts to fail, it really worries me once my Saros 10 is out of warranty. These are not high quality parts built to last too.

Had my Saros 10 for a couple of days, seems to work well on my low pile carpet. Obviously never had a S8 before. I see people mention S10 is not great on carpet due to the hair detangling brush design, but personally I am loving this brush. My wife’s hair is quite fine and long but it’s doing a fantastic job reducing the amount of maintenance I need to do for the rollers. My S7 MaxV and Eufy L60 required me removing hair from the roller at least every few days. One thing I must mention is Roborock is not putting enough resource in providing updates for Saros 10. Their focus seems to be on the 10R.

I love the Roborock Saros. Here is a link for a discount. RRSAPS10R-Get Extra 6% Off on Roborock Saros 10R

There’s not a robot on the market that’ll detect and avoid items as small as legos (single legos can be the size of particles it’s designed to suck up, so I guess it depends on what you mean there). I had hopes the Saros 10R was finally the robot that could reliably avoid cables, but I’ve seen tons of reports that it’s not consistently avoiding them at all, but I think it is the best (albeit most expensive) option right now for obstacle avoidance. Honestly, I think you need to lower your expectations for what’s possible right now. There are options better than the Qrevo pro, but not night and day different.

I would go with the Saros 10r over the z70. The z70 is a gimmick.

I’ve bought two Dreame x40 and one saros 10r and all have needed returned for being defective so my advice is not go to with the latest and greatest and get a robot that handles the basics very well that you need without all the extras that drive price up.

We got a 10r and its been fantastic, our house is a geodesic dome so I was concerned about it being able to properly map the odd layout, but its been great, it hops over the threshold between our kitchen and living room, picks up all of the hair our cats and dogs shed, and mops all of the muddy paw prints and stains off the floor. It also navigates very well around all of the stuff my family tends to leave on the floor during the day. I don't know how the standard 10 performs compared to the 10r, but when I chose the 10r over the 10 it was because of having less moving parts that could break and a easier to clean dock.

Olá amigo, sou do brasil também. Um amigo trouxe um Saros 10R dos EUA terça-feira. Robô fantástico, eu sai de um Roborock S7. Eu pegaria o topo de linha mesmo, o Saros 10 no seu caso.

Olá amigo, sou do brasil também. Um amigo trouxe um Saros 10R dos EUA terça-feira. Robô fantástico, eu sai de um Roborock S7. Eu pegaria o topo de linha mesmo, o Saros 10 no seu caso.

Trust me you don’t need to drop $1800 on a robot vacuum. Any decent flagship Roborock will do, S8s or one of the higher end Q Revos. Saros is great but again you don’t really need them. Would avoid the other ones.

I have the G20 pro which I think is similar to an S8. I read some forums saying that the G20 pro is the Asian version of the s8 🤷‍♀️. I have two cats and it has worked great for me for more than 2 years. I also abuse this thing and don’t take very good care of it. It handles pet hair relatively well and even better if you clean the dust bin and bag regularly. My G20 pro has good obstacle recognition despite a cat toy or cellphone cable getting tangled in the rollers every once in a while. I heard the s8 was marketed for poop recognition . It has a great companion app and auto cleans and dries the mop(no mouldy smell!). It also refills and dispenses the water and dustbin compartments automatically when it goes back to its dock. It was super expensive and top of the range when I bought it two years ago but saw the G20 pro was half the price recently. Maybe it will be the same for the S8🤷‍♀️. Be careful if you buy the G20, it will communicate with you in Chinese, but you can change the companion app to English.

I think the G20 pro is a model that is only marketed in Asia, so if you are in the US or Europe the S8 is probably something you would look into. Hair still does get stuck occasionally but only really by the inlet to the dust bag found in the dock. This is also my fault because I never check when the bag is full. So I struggle to remove the bag when the bag is overloaded with cat hair, and there is half cat hair in the bag and half the cat hair protruding into the inlet. I say this thing has taken a beating with me never cleaning it properly. I never maintain the dock or the brushes. I just make sure it has soap and water to mop and the dock cleans and dries the mop on the vacuum. It is very hands free that’s why I chose to get it. Why pay so much to let it do only some of the work….😉 My G20 also had an option to connect the dock’s water tank to a tap and a drain so I would never have to replace the water or decant the dirty water. But my apartment did not have a drain and a tap close together enough for me to install the completely handsfree dock. Maybe the S8 will have this option…In China once you bought the handsfree dock, Roborok would send someone to install it to the tap and the drain.

It’s great for hardwood floors and maintaining low amount of hairs on carpets. I’ve never had issues with it emptying the hairs. We got our saros because we couldn’t handle having hairs everywhere all the time in our house that’s mainly hardwood floors. It keeps it clean and we still manually vacuum the carpeted rooms about once a week or every two weeks. If you have a large house, I’d recommend scheduling the robot to vacuum each room individually and emptying out before it starts the next scheduled room. The robot dustbin is tiny and can fill up quick.

you just hit all the spots in my head regarding the choices. a lot of ppl claimed roller is the best, while other ppl also said twin spinning pads ( Saro 10R) also worked/performed better than 10. However, based on your test/recommendation, you mentioned 10 was better than 10R. There are so many brands in the USA, and I was told by my friends that I should go for Roborock ( as the gold standard). Even when I checked Chinese social media, they roborock was also recommended. I was checking chinese social media, a lot of ppl said DJI Robo Vacuum is coming out in China, but not sure when it would hit USA market. I just need a Robo Vacuum could clean my hardwood floor in Living room as well as tile in the dining room and Kitchen. my dad clean them everyweek like Vacuum and mop with swiffer, so I just want something could minimize his tasks. right now i am jumping between Saros 10R and 10. as you suggested in another thread, 10 is great, but ppl said 10R base station is better because we could detach and clean it. regarding Saros 10R, how much downward force is applied when the spining pads are mopping?

you just hit all the spots in my head regarding the choices. a lot of ppl claimed roller is the best, while other ppl also said twin spinning pads ( Saro 10R) also worked/performed better than 10. However, based on your test/recommendation, you mentioned 10 was better than 10R. There are so many brands in the USA, and I was told by my friends that I should go for Roborock ( as the gold standard). Even when I checked Chinese social media, they roborock was also recommended. I was checking chinese social media, a lot of ppl said DJI Robo Vacuum is coming out in China, but not sure when it would hit USA market. I just need a Robo Vacuum could clean my hardwood floor in Living room as well as tile in the dining room and Kitchen. my dad clean them everyweek like Vacuum and mop with swiffer, so I just want something could minimize his tasks. right now i am jumping between Saros 10R and 10. as you suggested in another thread, 10 is great, but ppl said 10R base station is better because we could detach and clean it. regarding Saros 10R, how much downward force is applied when the spining pads are mopping?

thank you, I just used the link fomr your recommendation post to place the order on 10R. hope its good and it doesn't leak.

At the moment id avoid the Saros 10r. My advice would be to go for an older model with more reviews and refinement. I bought a Saros 10r 2 months ago, having done what I thought was a lot of research! The issue I see now is that all the material available on social media was mostly from paid influencers => instantly discredit this. The more "independent" sites like vacuum wars ands just a dad test a single device well, but its only when 10,000 people get devices that the reliability and quirks are uncovered. In my case the vacuuming has been inconsistent to not working at all. This reddit has confirmed that it appears to be a larger emerging problem with the 10r, the vacuum system can become stuck/confused and does not lower, meaning it basically does not work. I've had to ship mine back to be "repaired". That disgraceful after 2 months and €1300 If I could go back in time id buy this model, as the evidence at the moment points to it being a better purchase.

I rocked an S7 MaxV for almost 4 years, until it broke. Now I got a Saros 10R and wouldn't go back.

You’ll hear and think about so many different models and hear ppl try to convince you either way. I finally just picked 10R and have been really happy with it

I wanted reliability so got the saros 10r. It’s been pretty awesome so far.

I had a freo z ultra for a couple weeks and took it back for a saros 10r. Mopping on the Narwal was pretty good, vacuuming just ok. The iOS app has a pretty bad battery drain bug right now too. Also I didn’t like how much data the Narwal sent to servers. In the 2 weeks I had it, my firewall logs showed the Narwal sent over 20 GB of data. I had the remote video disabled so assume it was for vision AI analysis. Still, it shouldn’t need to send that much data. We’ll see if the Flow processes more locally. The Saros 10r by comparison has sent maybe 100 MB in a week. I’m guessing Roborock is doing more AI analysis on the robot.

Mopping performance compared to the Q Revo‘s. Rotating mops are just superior and I think Roborock finally admitted this by moving away from vibrating mop pads on the Saros which will most probably become the S9. Otherwise it’s really great. 👍

I have had my new Saros 10R for a bit over a month now and I am so obsessed with it I keep recommending it to all of my friends. I have two floors, with an S8 upstairs that I really liked. Until now, I used to carry it downstairs whenever I needed it. The 10R caught my attention, especially for its rotating mop system. Even though it is almost 4 times the current price of the S8, I’m really happy with it. In the end, it’s the price of an iPhone, but it’s truly an excellent robot that I use every day ✅ **The advantages**: • **The battery!!** Lasts MUCH better than the S8. It cleans 100m² in one go without any problem, even on high vacuuming modes. • Very effective even on carpets. I groom and sometimes trim my dog’s hair on the carpet and it vacuums everything quite well! It lifts its mops before going over them and can even leave them at the base. • Avoids obstacles (cables, clothes on the floor, etc.) *way* better than the S8. I would always have to make sure there’s no socks on the floor with the S8 otherwise it’d get stuck in it most of the times. • The rotating mops clean my floors really well! S8 was pretty bad at mopping ( still better than what I used to do myself). They’re automatically washed with hot water and dried after use. I checked several times, and they really do come out clean and dry. • Not too noisy. It’s a bit loud when rinsing the mops, but it doesn’t last long. The cleaning is less loud than the S8. It also has a silent mode, which is good enough to watch TV but not to have an online meeting in the same room IMO. • Much more precise and careful around walls! It doesn’t bump into them. • Lots of customization options, especially for water usage in each room, perfect for wooden floors. • Somehow manages to fit underneath my super low bed, which I struggled to clean myself with a regular vacuum cleaner. ❌ **What I don’t like: ** • The base is huge (but looks nice, luckily!). Note that I haven’t had any other bases before so I can’t compare with what size they normally are. • Sometimes it still gets stuck between chairs or in spots where, at this price range, I had hoped it wouldn’t. But this is really occasional. • Once in a while it’s overly cautious: if my dog is in the way or if there’s a tight passage, it can hesitate too much, waste time, and sometimes even decide to just return to the base instead of doing its job Nothing else to complain about: honestly, I don’t see how they can make the next one better! If you’re hesitant about getting it, I I really recommend it. I wasn’t unhappy with my S8, but this is just on another level. Best purchase of the year for me!

Which one is the best of the flagship then? I compared for many hours and I haven’t seen any robots that seemed to outperform it. While I haven’t actually tried the V50, I still purposely chose the 10R. The cheap-looking design alone of the base of the V50 was enough for me not to choose it. Plus, in my country’s Amazon, people complain about how it doesn’t clean properly against the walls unless it’s on cleargenius mode which drains the battery super fast, and someone even mentioned that it won’t go under their bed while their previous robots went without issues. I’m 100% happy with the performance of my 10R and don’t have these problems, on the top of that my base looks great. I paid it 17% off but even if it was full price I’d still recommend it

Lol not « anyone that has reviewed and tested both agrees », literally your own reference of *just a dad* does not agree and says that if you don’t need the wheels to go over thresholds then the saros 10 is better. He even clarifies it in comments (https://youtube.com/shorts/OODiHt-xklA?si=oehCiUJRqCcqJxzQ) And so far my saros 10 has had no issues with thresholds or thick carpets in my house. On the top of that, I looked up on YouTube and there’s several videos that also said Saros 10R is the best. Yes V50 seems great for the price but if you’re not on budget, 10R is one of the best options out there Yes to me, the design matter at this price point, especially when both robots perform well. My house is well decorated so I don’t want my robot to mess up the ambiance Personally I do base myself a lot of comments on Amazon, because unlike the videos and blogs you posted, most Amazon reviews aren’t paid or sponsored because Amazon has strict policies on that

10R is amazing. I just posted a detailed review on this sub of what I like and dislike. I bought it one month ago at 17% off the base price. Honestly it’s worth every $, I use it everyday.

Saros 10R could be a great fit. I was between the Saros 10R and the X9 Pro and ended up picking the 10R. Roborock seemed more reliable from what I’d seen, and the mop lifting and drying felt more thought-out. First time trying their stuff, but it’s been solid so far and handled my hardwood floors better than I expected.

Each of these will have its strengths and weaknesses. The E28 will be the best at mopping. Not that the others are terrible, but their mopping systems are inferior to the roller mop in the E28. The others make up for this with smart features, where they will automatically re-mop when they detect they've mopped a particularly dirty area, but like a lot of smart/AI features, the robot may not always get it right. The roller mop system on the E28 will be more likely to get the floor clean the first time. I have a Eufy S1 Pro, which uses the same basic mopping system, and can vouch for its excellence on hard floors with both wet messes and tougher stains. The Saros 10R will likely be better at many other things. There are indications that the 10R is better at obstacle avoidance than most other Roborock offerings, and I've seen at least one review that cast the T50 as only on par with other Ecovacs models. One advantage the 10R will have in mopping: it can leave the mop pads at the base for vacuum-only jobs. The E28 uses the Eufy X10's obstacle avoidance system, which at one time was top of the class and is still probably better than either of the alternatives. It's too early to tell which is better at vacuuming, with both the T50 and E28 claiming superior vacuuming, and the 10R demonstrating that in independent reviews. This is an advantage for the 10R right now: having been out a bit longer, there are plenty of non-shill reviews available. One other advantage the 10R will have over the others: lifting. All three can lift their mops on carpet, but the 10R can lift its whole chassis when vacuuming high-pile carpeting, and can lift the main and side vacuum brushes when it detects a wet mess to avoid sucking or spreading liquid.

What's more important for you: great hard floor mopping and so-so carpet vacuuming, or the reverse? Unfortunately, even with the most expensive robots, it's all about compromise. If you prioritize mopping, you can go two routes right now: "dumber" but really good mopping, or second-rate mopping that makes up for it with smart features. For the former, I believe the market leader is still the Eufy S1 or S1 Pro, with its roller mop. The roller mop is superior largely because it cleans the roller as it mops and collects dirty water on the robot itself, while all the rest rely on going back to the dock to clean the mop occasionally, leaving more of a possibility of spreading dirt around rather than taking it off the floor. Look at the extra features for the Pro to see if they're worth the extra money. There are a few newer robots that have roller mops with some better features, but reviews have been mixed at best for these, so proceed with caution; these would include the Ecovacs Deebot X8 and Yeedi S14 (which are largely the same unit with a few different features and prices, as Yeedi is the budget brand for Ecovacs). Most of the top flagship robots fall into the second category, including the Roborock Saros 10R and Dreame X50. I've described how roller mops are better than the spinning pads of these robots. These higher-end robots make up for that by analyzing what it's doing with various features to recognize stains or messes, or sensing dirt in the water used to wash the mop. In those cases, it will pay more attention to messy spots, go back early to wash the mop, or re-mop areas it thinks might have been too dirty to clean effectively the first time. This can be more effective than a dumb roller mop -- when the AI systems actually figure out that something needs to happen, which they don't always do. These seem to be improving over time, though. If you prioritize vacuuming, my advice would likely be the same for preferring smart mops, as those flagships also tend to be better at vacuuming than roller mops have been so far. These would also be good choices if you're not as willing to sacrifice some vacuuming performance for top-notch mopping. My experience with the Eufy S1 Pro is that the carpet performance is OK, but not great, and I have no reason to believe other roller mops have improved on that. Finally, there are a number of robots due to be released in the next few months that promise to give you the best of all worlds: great roller mop performance with smart mopping and awesome vacuuming. These would include the Mova Z50 and Narwal Flow. Of course, we won't know for sure until we have good independent reviews available; they apparently exist in Chinese, but I don't have access to those, so can't comment. It's possible that the new robots won't be any better than what you can get now, so it's up to you whether it's worth waiting.

Roborock has two mopping systems for their higher-end robots: spinning-pad (see their Qrevo line and the Saros 10R) and vibrating-pad, which looks like the stationary-pad system but with a vibrating plate underneath the pad. Roborock's implementation of this has received high marks, with some people rating it as better than spinning pads. The current example of this would be the Saros 10, with the S8 MaxV continuing to do well even as an older model. To my knowledge, Roborock does not have a roller/track mop model. I'll also put in a vote for the Eufy S1 family. They're older than the models you mentioned, but have been reliable for a number of people (including me). The Pro was considered the top roller mop of 2024 (with some considering it the top mopping robot of 2024). They're not worth their retail prices today, but I see the S1 on Amazon US for $700 and the S1 Pro for $1050. Probably the main concern you should have would be vacuum performance, but my S1 Pro has never had a problem with pickup on hard floors.

Roborock has two mopping systems for their higher-end robots: spinning-pad (see their Qrevo line and the Saros 10R) and vibrating-pad, which looks like the stationary-pad system but with a vibrating plate underneath the pad. Roborock's implementation of this has received high marks, with some people rating it as better than spinning pads. The current example of this would be the Saros 10, with the S8 MaxV continuing to do well even as an older model. To my knowledge, Roborock does not have a roller/track mop model. I'll also put in a vote for the Eufy S1 family. They're older than the models you mentioned, but have been reliable for a number of people (including me). The Pro was considered the top roller mop of 2024 (with some considering it the top mopping robot of 2024). They're not worth their retail prices today, but I see the S1 on Amazon US for $700 and the S1 Pro for $1050. Probably the main concern you should have would be vacuum performance, but my S1 Pro has never had a problem with pickup on hard floors.

There is no such things as "objectively good" choices right now, because each robot has its strengths and weaknesses. There is only "right for you" based on your likes and dislikes. The game is all about picking the robot that ticks as many of the "want boxes" and as few of the "drive me nuts boxes" as you can find. Most accounts report that the Saros 10R is a very good robot. With just hard floors, you don't need the very best vacuuming, especially since you can always take your rug outside and blow/beat the embedded dust out. Pretty much every robot beyond the very worst will be able to remove everything off a hard floor just fine, and the 10R also has very good anti-tangling systems, which will be good when those pets start arriving. Plus, it's a Roborock, and Roborock has the best reputation right now for being trouble-free and durable, as well as the best app. If you have a good idea of must-haves and must-not-haves for you, and you've found something that fits, get it! Life is too short to worry about FOMO because this or that washes the pads with water that's 5 degrees hotter, or has 1000 more Pascals of suction, or continuously washes the mop as it mops, or it hooks up to plumbing, or whatever. Some of those might be important to some people, but if they didn't strike you as incredible features you couldn't live without, guess what -- you can probably live without them. If we did a deep dive into every corner of your brain, we might be able to pick something more optimized for your particular use case. But, as I mentioned, life is too short to waste time on that. Get the thing that's gives you 90% of the warm fuzzies, and don't worry about whether it gives me more than 70% of the warm fuzzies (spoiler alert: it doesn't), or someone else any warm fuzzies at all (spoiler alert: some people returned it, they disliked it so much). But if you still want to second-guess yourself with our help, we're happy to oblige. :-) You should tell us what deficiencies the Saros 10R has that give you pause, or what features you see elsewhere that catch your attention.

I friggin love my 10R, granted I only have had it for a little over a week, but holy shit I’m so impressed with how good it is at cleaning and how thorough it has been. It’s like I have this cleaner that’s always working for me in the background

Duo Divide roller is the best out there for long haired dogs I believe. (what the Saros 10 and 10r have)

That's a damn good review, impressed with the saros 10R

"It knows and doesn't scratch itself". If you browse a bit this reddit, you will have bad surprised about the Saros 10, I've seen more than one that got scratched on top :( This said, interesting infos about the Z70 and the use of starsight vs lidar. Thanks for all the insights and sharing your knowledge :) I doubted A LOT like many of us between Saros 10 and Saros 10R and went with the Saros 10R for the starsight + easier dock to clean + no risk of having lidar error/turret that breaks and needs to be replaced. Personally, coming from the S7 MaxV, I'm amazed. What is really weird though, is that I received a defective unit first, with a main brush that broke in 3 days. The robot was fine the first 2 days but I was VERY underwhelmed in terms of performance, navigation etc (compared to my s7) What's interesting is that my new Saros 10R that has now been working for 7 days is like 10 times better than my old defective Saros unit, way faster, way smarter in the way it moves etc...and I tried both with the same firmware before updating to the latest one. I have no explanation, but the difference between the 2 Saros 10R was huge. As for the whole "duel" between Saros 10 and 10R, I guess it's just a question of preferences. I haven't seen a single test saying one is largely better than the other. Firmware update plays a big role as well in performance.

"It knows and doesn't scratch itself". If you browse a bit this reddit, you will have bad surprised about the Saros 10, I've seen more than one that got scratched on top :( This said, interesting infos about the Z70 and the use of starsight vs lidar. Thanks for all the insights and sharing your knowledge :) I doubted A LOT like many of us between Saros 10 and Saros 10R and went with the Saros 10R for the starsight + easier dock to clean + no risk of having lidar error/turret that breaks and needs to be replaced. Personally, coming from the S7 MaxV, I'm amazed. What is really weird though, is that I received a defective unit first, with a main brush that broke in 3 days. The robot was fine the first 2 days but I was VERY underwhelmed in terms of performance, navigation etc (compared to my s7) What's interesting is that my new Saros 10R that has now been working for 7 days is like 10 times better than my old defective Saros unit, way faster, way smarter in the way it moves etc...and I tried both with the same firmware before updating to the latest one. I have no explanation, but the difference between the 2 Saros 10R was huge. As for the whole "duel" between Saros 10 and 10R, I guess it's just a question of preferences. I haven't seen a single test saying one is largely better than the other. Firmware update plays a big role as well in performance.

I have had a S8 MaxV Ultra for a year. I love it. I’ve had MANY other robots come through my house and none have compared to it. Not even the new Saros 10r. I had 2 of those and they were both awful. I would not recommend it at all. If you didn’t get the S8 the only other one I would say would be the Saros 10 (not the R though). I like the mopping on them far better than the spinning mops. I think the sonic mopping just cleans better. And I have 5 dogs, a cat and live in a dusty, desert area so I put them through the test.

I have had a S8 MaxV Ultra for a year. I love it. I’ve had MANY other robots come through my house and none have compared to it. Not even the new Saros 10r. I had 2 of those and they were both awful. I would not recommend it at all. If you didn’t get the S8 the only other one I would say would be the Saros 10 (not the R though). I like the mopping on them far better than the spinning mops. I think the sonic mopping just cleans better. And I have 5 dogs, a cat and live in a dusty, desert area so I put them through the test.

Works well for me, especially for longer hair.

Honestly if you have a lot of hard floor or mop and have a compatible floor plan I would get a plumbed in unit and wait for like the saros 10r. It’s so much better not having to fill and empty dirty tanks.

This can be quite tricky and im not entirely sure it can be done with only one robot, because the bots have a limit on how far from the dock they can go, and they dont tend to really love huge open spaces like this. But in any case i\`d probably recommend one of the Saros bots, either the 10 or 10R as they are the flagships and you would probably want that here.

I\`d go for the Saros 10! I have the previous model and im very happy with it!

Im very happy with it to be honest! It tackles all but the most stubborn spots. Just to set your expectations: A robovac will do 90% of the vacuuming maintenance in the house and will generally keep the floors clean enough but it\`s not yet a 1:1 replacement for say the monthly floor cleaning with a proper mop. It will ensure that you can put that off for longer, and it will make it considerably less dirty but it wont be spotless.

Saros 10 or 10R, the 10 uses a LIDAR based system while the 10R uses a TOF based system and has spinning mops!

Basically, if you want the best vacuum and obstacle avoidance, you will want one of the top bots! Currently the top dogs are the Saros 10 / Saros 10R and last years models the S8 MaxV Ultra and the Qrevo Egde / Curve. We mop A L O T and like, besides emptying the dirty water tank daily / every second day and refilling daily / every second day, i only have to do "deep maintenance" which involves washing the water filter (its hard plastic so no drying time) and washing underneat it and the smaller mop with a damp cloth, and thats for someone who does the deep+ program once a week. If you just do regular vac & mop, depending on how big of a house you have, and the program you use, you wont need to refill the water tank more than like every 3 days realistically, and it only takes like 30 seconds to do so! Feel free to DM me if you have more questions or just ask them here :)

Basically, if you want the best vacuum and obstacle avoidance, you will want one of the top bots! Currently the top dogs are the Saros 10 / Saros 10R and last years models the S8 MaxV Ultra and the Qrevo Egde / Curve. We mop A L O T and like, besides emptying the dirty water tank daily / every second day and refilling daily / every second day, i only have to do "deep maintenance" which involves washing the water filter (its hard plastic so no drying time) and washing underneat it and the smaller mop with a damp cloth, and thats for someone who does the deep+ program once a week. If you just do regular vac & mop, depending on how big of a house you have, and the program you use, you wont need to refill the water tank more than like every 3 days realistically, and it only takes like 30 seconds to do so! Feel free to DM me if you have more questions or just ask them here :)

If you have ruled out the Saros 10 then you basically have ruled out the S8 MaxV as well, it does not have the rotating mops that the Saros 10R has. I would stay well clear of the Z70, its gimmicky, and the Saros 10R is better anyhow. For the prices quoted i would go for the S8 MaxV though. I own one, and while the 10 / 10R has some really nifty features, it\`s nothing i would pay €600 extra for..

So, my first robot vacuum/mop was the Roborock S7 MaxV Ultra The dock has a clean water tank and a dirty water tank, as well as a bag to collect the dry stuff the vacuum picks up. I had to empty the dirty water and refill the clean water about every two to three weeks, depending on how often I ran it (typically once per week). The dock also cleans the mop pad after it's done. Some of the newer Roborock models like the Saros 10 actually use heat to dry the mop. I recently got the Saros 10 to replace the S7, and my only complaint is that it has a slightly smaller water tank. But, on the plus side, it has a detergent dispenser that automatically mixes some cleaner in with the water when it refills the robot for mopping. It also has substantially higher suction so it's more effective as a vacuum. The biggest downside to the good, self-cleaning robots is cost. I got the Saros 10 on sale but it was still $1200. They make some cheaper models that are still very good, so it's kind of up to your budget and preferences. I hope that helps.

Doesn't the Saros 10r already have like 3-4x the suction of the s7? At this point it's just a marketing number. It's the brushes as others have said. 

I got one last year and love it!

So much this. I genuinely didn't realize how loud my J7 was till I got my Saros 10 yesterday lol

I have the Saros 10 with the Duo Divide roller. Literally, no hair gets stuck in it. It's something I've never experienced from a Robot vacuum before (from any company tbh)

I have used the Saros 10R for about 2 months now. This is my first robot vacuum so I don’t have anything to compare to, but it has exceeded every single expectation I had prior to the purchase. I live with my husband and 2 cats in a 3BR apartment, hard wood floor, no carpets, 2-3 small mats. The Saros sucks up about 95% of litter that the cats drag from their litter box, all of my shedded long hair 😪 and balls of hairs from the cats. The Duo-Divide brush has no tangling so far. The mopping leaves no dry mark, the detergent smells faintly floral-ish. As for obstacle avoidance, I was debating buying Roborock due to the bad reviews about its avoidance ability, but the Saros avoided my cables and other obstacles about 90% of the time. One time it got caught on my hairdryer cable and couldn’t get out so it just automatically went into sleep mode 🤣 Lesson learned is to put all cables to higher ground if possible. Another time one cat broke a small altar candle with a glass jar, the vacuum sucked up all glass shards (about dime-sized) so that was a pleasant surprise, though I did have to pry the shards out from the dustbin since the self-empty function couldn’t push them through into the dustbag. After 2 months of everyday use (vacuum mon-wed-fri on turbo, vacuum then mop tue-thurs-sat, deep clean on sunday), the dock is still clean, no hairs or debris visible. Sensors got cleaned once, no replacement at the moment. Hopefully I didn’t forget anything. My verdict is please get this when it comes out, wherever you are!

We recently got the Roborock Saros 10 and it's so good. Super happy.

For Long haired people and pets, I’d get any Roborock with a duo-divide roller as they tend to handle that for much longer than conventional setups that most vacs use. I’d say the Soros 10R is your machine, but the mova’s are doing well. Very happy with our Qrevo master.

I started with a cheap $200 Roomba. It would run into everything to orient itself. Upgraded to a $400 lefant N3 and it was much better. Better obstacle avoidance, suction, battery, navigation, and wouldn't run in to stuff to orient itself. The mop was meh and it would tangle on short hair often so I upgraded again to $600 mova p10 pro ultra and wow it's amazing. Like a 9/10 in my books. Navigation could be slightly better, and mopping is good but could be even better but very satisfied overall. I can't live without robo vacs anymore and recommend everyone try a good one out. I'd say the best would be one of like dreame x50 ultra or robo rock 10R or narwal freo z ultra but those are like $1400

I've now owned a number of different robot vacuums, so I wanted to share my first impressions of the new Flagship vacuum from Mova. I have owned the Dreame X50, the Eufy E28, and I've tested the Roborock 10r. I received the Mova v50 Ultra complete about a week ago, and so far I'm really impressed. The very first thing I noticed is that this vacuum is very heavy. For some reason the base and the vacuum itself are heavier than any of the other ones I've used so far. I have no idea why. I guess they must be packing a lot of additional features in the vacuum below the surface. As I messed around with the vacuum, I think I figured out a few of them. The thing I can't quite believe, even to this day, is just how many additional accessories this vacuum comes with. Mine came with 10 mop pads, three filters, two side brushes, three dust bags, a big bottle of cleaning solution, and a small bottle of Pet solution, and to top it all off it also came with an additional TroboWave brush roller. I still wonder if TroboWave was a typo for TurboWave that Mova decided to just go with after the initial batch was misprinted 😂. Either way, in my opinion, this is enough accessories to last over a year without having to buy anything else. I looked up an accessory kit for the Dreame x50, and for a similar set of accessories it's well over $100 if not closer to $150. This was a bold choice by Mova, but it makes an already amazing vacuum even more attractive. The base station is what we've all come to expect from a high-end robot vacuum, it washes the mop pads with hot water, it dries them with hot air, it has a clean water tank, a dirty water tank, and a tank for cleaning detergent. This is where I found the first big surprise. The detergent tank has the ability to hold two different types of cleaning solution, one for normal floor cleaning solution, and one specifically for a Mova pet cleaning solution. I'll talk about ALL of the pet features later in the review, but needless to say, they are impressive. Once I clicked the vacuum into the base, it turned itself on and started to charge. I followed the instructions in the app to scan the QR code and set up the Wi-Fi. Setting up the Wi-Fi for this vacuum was the same as the Dreame app, and nearly the same as the eufy app. The V50 broadcasts its own Wi-Fi signal for setup. I did need to turn off the auto reconnect on my phone so that it would not jump back over to my home Wi-Fi during the setup, but I've heard others have had to do the same thing as well. The first thing the vacuum wanted to do was set up a bunch of the AI features and ask if I had pets in my home. I enabled all of the features, although I've heard that depending on your floor type, sometimes you need to disable the stain recognition so the vacuum doesn't get too confused with the pattern on the floor. I told the vacuum to go out and do its initial map of my main floor, I was extremely surprised how quickly it was able to map everything. I felt like it would barely enter a room before it would turn around and leave again. The onboard lidar and 3D structured light seem to do a very efficient job of mapping a room without having to cover every single corner. When the vacuum was done mapping, it did a fairly good job of breaking up the different rooms and correctly identifying them. It did have some problems recognizing my stairs going down into the basement, and try to name it as an additional bedroom. Luckily, the app is pretty good about letting you merge, divide, and hide rooms. I just clicked on “hide” for the spot over my stairs and it worked. I also discovered that if you have a floor-length mirror the lidar thinks there's a room beyond it. I don't know if this is an alternative dimension but I could never get the vacuum to go there 😉. I did notice that it's constantly updating its map and can make adjustments if things change between cleaning tasks. For example I accidentally left the door under the stairs open and it happily went in and mapped that little room after the initial mapping task. Here's where things are going to get controversial, I prefer the spinning mop pads on the V50 over the mop roller of the Eufy E28. Logically it seems like a mop roller should do a better job. They advertise that it puts fresh water on the roller while pulling dirty water off. The truth is, I don't think it's that successful. The mop roller can't get up against the baseboards as well as a spinning mop pad and I had more streaks and leaks from the Eufy E28. Maybe it'll get better in time, but for now I like the V50 mopping better. The X factor for all these Robot Vacuums is how well it recognizes stains and dirty spots so it can clean them again. The V50 excels at identifying and cleaning up spills and other little messes. Its AI can recognize 200 different objects and the 3D structured light keeps it from running into things in real time. The carpet cleaning seems pretty great too. The dual brush rollers seem to channel the dust and hair into the dust bin, and that empties into the base station. One kind of cool feature, the base station has the ability to dry the dust bin and the dust collection bag. I don't have a huge issue with humidity, but I can see how it could be great for others. As I mentioned above, I have the Dreame X50 Ultra which shares about 90% of the features of the Mova V50 Ultra Complete. The reason the V50 better fits my home is the pet features. Since we have three dogs, keeping the floors clean is a serious challenge—and an even bigger priority. The pet-specific cleaning features are probably what first attracted me to the MOVA V50. We were losing the war against our dogs pretty much every day. Between dirty paw prints, sticks, and other junk from the backyard, we were tired of cleaning. When we were setting up the V50, I already knew we had something different. At the end of every week, it sends you a notification to review your pet’s activity. It shows you the areas where your pets were most frequently seen, then offers to re-clean those spots with its special pet solution. If you're away from home, you can even ask the vacuum to find your pet. (I mostly use it like a game of hide and seek with my dogs now, but I can definitely see how others might use it to keep their pets out of trouble.) It can also detect where the dog dishes are and use extra suction to pick up the loose kibble that always ends up on the floor. Probably the most important pet-related feature so far is the AI obstacle recognition. That means when my 16-year-old dog has an accident on the tile, the vacuum (so far—crossing fingers) has been able to identify it and avoid it. That one feature alone is worth everything. While I mainly wanted to highlight the pet features in this post, I’ve got to mention how cool it is that the LiDAR sensor retracts so it can get under low furniture, and the StepMaster system lets it climb over thresholds and even the U-shaped bases of our bar stools. With some of my older vacuums I was just resigned to the fact that they would get stuck on things but the V50 has the ability to rescue itself using those retractable little Stepmaster legs. I know I've only had it for a week, and I'll keep testing it, but so far I'm a pretty big fan of the Mova V50 Ultra Complete. I personally feel the price point and the features make it hard to ignore, but the additional accessories make it nearly a must have.

I really like the app and I haven't had any issues navigating the settings. It's the same app Dreame uses as well, simply rebranded. I think they've put some good time into making it intuitive to use.

I really like the 10r! It's so thin and does an amazing job vacuuming and mopping. My biggest issue is the price! Why does it cost $1500? I feel like there are other really good vacuums out there (Dreame L40, Mova P10 Pro Ultra) that can do 90%+ what the 10r can do for a lot cheaper. I did notice a little bit of a problem with some stuffing from a toy getting caught between the 2 brush rollers that didn't get sucked up, but the cotton filling probably would have been stuck in just about all vacuums.

FWIW X40(not even latest/greatest) spinning mop got 3.76 mopping on vacuumwars, where saros 10 got 3.38 for mopping, so even the 'latest greatest' vibrating doesn't beat last gen spinning. Not sure what 'proved' what you are saying.

For those of you wondering whether roller-style mops are the way to go, here are the results after a cleaning session in Smarthomeassistant's test setup (German review site which does some excellent and thorough robot reviews). The Dreame X50 and Roborock Saros 10R use spinning mops, and the Ecovacs X8 uses the roller-style approach. I find it pretty wild how much better a roller-style approach is at actually lifting the dirt off the floor rather than just smearing around. There are similar roller-style mops coming from Narwal and MOVA, and this will have to be the way forward for Roborock and Dreame too, otherwise they'll fall waaay behind. Here are the reviews where the screenshots come from: [https://youtu.be/njcGoCFo78I?si=LIHDj-WCcRdPztvn&t=1110](https://youtu.be/njcGoCFo78I?si=LIHDj-WCcRdPztvn&t=1110) \- Spinning mops: Roborock Saros 10R & Dreame X50 [https://youtu.be/QnFsqubK1IY?si=7lhQoQgfk19au6zB&t=700](https://youtu.be/QnFsqubK1IY?si=7lhQoQgfk19au6zB&t=700) \- Roller-style mop: Ecovacs Deebot X8 Pro Omni

This compares two spinning mop robots (Dreame X50 & RR Saros 10R) against the roller-style Ecovacs Deebox 8X Pro robot - the screenshots are after they completed the cleanup of the test area. And yes, the roller-style approach is far superior at getting the dirt removed. Check out the full vids in my other post for more details

For the price (£250) I am very impressed with mine. Its got LiDAR, a mop, empties itself, etc. Its really neat to watch on the app as it goes about your house and maps it out. Its only gotten stuck twice, and both times were on the same chair that has horizontal bars at floor level that it can get over if it runs at it head on, but can high side itself if approaching from an angle. Definitely does not replace vacuuming as a whole though as it just cant physically get into the corners, and the vacuum itself isnt enough to really suck stuff out of the carpet, more just pick up things on top. I treat it more like a broom than anything else, but having a pet it helps me keep on top of things.

Vaccum robots are a must have if you have ever had one, you will never want to be without one again, especially if you have pets and fur and dust collects rather quick. They clean really good, you will be surprised and they easily reach places which would be hard to get to with a normal vacuum like under the bed or sofa. Even after months and years of only letting the robot do the work, I can‘t really spot alot, I would want to clean by hand except some really hard dried stains in the kitchen. Maintenance is very low, I have had my S7 for years and the only thing I do is empty the bin of the dock every other week, get long hair tangles off of the brush, wash the filter and swipe the sensors every month or so. Didn‘t have to replace anything yet. For newer models like my 10R I have to fill and empty the water tanks every other week and empty the dust bag probably every ~3 months i expect. It has a different brush design so there are no more tangles on them. In terms of obstacles, that‘s pretty much the main reason why I added the 10R to my other floor where my cat and his toys are, it has great obstacle avoidance.

I bought them new yes, I got the 10R on prime day for 1100€, but there are other models with the same brush design, like the qrevo curve/edge and the models without adaptilift (edge s5a and the other curv models) The cheapest model with this brush is ~700€ The S7 was 550€ and an additional 250€ for the station (the station was released after the robot) but it‘s outdated now and I only run it in the basement, the station is only for dust bin auto empty and the robot has no obstacle avoidance. I don‘t really think paying over 1000€ is good in terms of price/performance if you don‘t really really need a specific feature. If you don‘t need the chassis to lift to get over a ledge, automatic cleaning solution adding, the slim 8cm design or the very good obstacle avoidance, then the other models will perform just the same. I wanted some of those features, especially the obstacle avoidance, since I run it on schedule when I‘m not at home only and I really don‘t want it to get stuck on some small cat toy. Works like a charm but it‘s 400€ more. I have seen mixed obstacle avoidance results for the curv and edge models on small objects, so I ended up avoiding those.

imo roborock is the most reliable brand, dreame has too many software issues and bad quality control. The arm of the z70 isn‘t advanced enough yet it‘s their first try, I wouldn‘t get that one. I‘d get the 10r over the 10.

imo roborock is the most reliable brand, dreame has too many software issues and bad quality control. The arm of the z70 isn‘t advanced enough yet it‘s their first try, I wouldn‘t get that one. I‘d get the 10r over the 10.

I have the Saros 10r and had the s8 maxv. The s8 mopped better for my grooved LVP. They help but they’re not miracle workers. Often it’s best to do two passes with them as well.

The 10R can detect stains as well and do deep cleaning. The starsight navigation on both robots I’ve owned with starsight have been as good if not better at navigating than any robot I’ve owned with spinning LiDAR. It’s also better at obstacle avoidance. Also, Roborock sees them both as the flagships. They’re just offering them for whatever system you prefer. I think it’s also pretty obvious that starsight is the future. It’s still lidar just solid state lidar. Much less mechanical components to fail as opposed to a spinning lidar that retracts. I have no complaints about my 10R. Best robovac I’ve owned by a long shot.

I have to point out I have very few carpets and mostly hardwood floor/tiles, but we are a family with 2 cats, one border mix and a two long haired adults, and hair was my biggest concern before buying too. It does an excellent job collecting them! The brushes do not get tangled one bit (not even my dyson could manage that) and the self cleaning does a heck of a job maintaining it clean! I did not have a previous botvac so I have nothing to compare it with but I do recommend it.

It's a massive difference - day and night. We have two long-haired persian cats, and with my previous S7 MaxV I could either use the supplied silicon roller, which would tend to skim the film of fur off carpets into cloudy mats of fur that were still embedded in the carpet pile, or use the brush roller which would do a good job, but literally every room I'd need to completely detangle it at least once. Had the S10 with the DuoDivide for a couple of months now and the difference is incredible - it pulls all the cat hair out of the carpet and picks practically all of it up - what doesn't get picked up tends to be an occasional clump that's easily picked up by hand. I still expected to have to do some untangling from the brushes, but in two months of cleaning, I've not needed to clean the brushes once and they remain totally hair-free. I'd definitely spend the extra on a DuoDivide model in your situation.

I got the Saros 10 and love it

For reals finally gave up on the 10R in Canada and bought the 10 on sale , it’s amazing!

For reals finally gave up on the 10R in Canada and bought the 10 on sale , it’s amazing!

My only real gripe with mine is that it’s not a very powerful vacuum at default settings. Cranking up the vacuum settings results in much longer cleaning times due to needing to recharge the battery. I’m coming from a Roomba S9+ and I think it’s still wild that no other robot vacuum can out perform the S9+ for shear cleaning performance, especially on carpets. So many problems with the S9 though. The navigation and obstacle avoidance on this Saros 10R is incredible though. This thing is so efficient compared to my old S9+. So far, almost every job has been set it and forget it.

10 has more mopping functions than the 10R. Also, cleaning the dock's washboard on the 10 is also a lot easier. I have both and they are both great though. The dock's are quite beautiful

Vibration intensity is adjustable and at the highest mop setting, it puts extra pressure onto the mop pad by adjusting its adapti-lift chasis. I only recently realized this I've been experimenting in the app a lot more. If you don't send your robot out to clean up spills or just don't expect it to clean up heavy messes at all, this is really not a reason to consider this over the 10R. Just my 2 cents after using both of them since launch

I've owned a LOT of robots over the years, you get what you pay for. As for Ecovacs, they just arent anywhere near as good as the price reflects. They constantly lose their map, need to locate so frequently there's actually a button to do it in the app, the app isn't nearly as good as the other high end brands, and they break constantly. My Deebot T8+ had 3 separate drive wheel failures within a year. When the final one died 2 weeks out of warranty they told me tough luck, and wouldn't even sell me the part so I could fix it myself "for my safety" they said 🙄 Currently own a Roborock Q Revo Curv which is fantastic, The self lifting chassis means it basically never ever gets stuck because it'll climb is way out of trouble. I plan on getting the Saros 10R next, which is basically the same as the Curv but with: hotter water (and now has hot water on board the robot), can leave the mops in the dock, more powerful, detergent dispenser, newer and better navigation and obstacle avoidance with no lidar tower on top so it can get under low furniture better. The Roller mop will be the future, but currently the only robots that have one are inferior in many ways to their competitors. So I'm waiting on that one

I got the saros 10r for 1800 and love it. It’s my first so I can’t compare but it’s great.

Purchased a Roborock Saros 10R during Prime days last week as an upgrade to our Roborock S7 MaxV since we wanted something a bit more hands off and so we could use our S7 for cleaning upstairs. This was a birthday present for my wife so I did a lot of research and the Saros 10R seemed like the winner for sure! Updated it to the latest firmware, initial mapping was pretty quick, like 15-20 mins I'd say, but then came the first run. Right off the bat, it seemed very buggy: it would detach its mops in the dock, ride out of the dock and immediately after say "returning to dock to attach mops". Then it started vacuuming in our living room where we have some regular 4 legged chairs. It kept going in circles between one of the chair's legs, often bumping them and thus moving the chair around. It finally gave up after about 15 minutes and just returned to its dock, not even finishing the run. Our S7 has never had an issue with these chairs, not once. Gave it another shot and this time around the navigation was much better and it didn't get stuck. I always like to do a testing run at night so I can easily see crumbs on the floor and how they disappear when the robot goes over them. Not this time though, even with the vacuum set to Turbo, even small crumbs were left on the ground. The mopping seemed nice however. The vacuuming was also very quiet compared to our S7. Since the vacuuming performance felt like an obvious defect, I checked to make sure that the rollers were actually spinning and hitting the floor. Strangely enough they were, so no idea why the performance was this terrible. What I also found strange was that even though the robot detected carpet and marked it as such, and with the setting "leave mops and first do carpets" enabled, it never did. It didn't even lift the mops for the carpet and left wet stains lol. Next day, I gave it another shot, but the same things happened: detaching the mops when leaving the dock, only to go back and pick them up immediately afterwards, not lifting the mops on the carpet but worst of all: the vacuum performance. I emptied the dustbin and found some hairs and dust so it did seem to be doing something, but it just left so many crumbs. The Saros also managed to get itself stuck under one of our sofas and got scratched in the process (the back of the sofa has a higher opening, it tried to exit through the sides which are lower than 8 cm). After our previous, great, experience with the S7, we decided the Saros 10R was probably defective, especially considering all the great reviews, and decided to return it. I did see a couple posts complaining about the vacuum performance (see [https://www.reddit.com/r/Roborock/comments/1kql8tm/saros\_10r\_is\_not\_doing\_his\_job\_my\_5\_years\_old\_s5/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Roborock/comments/1kql8tm/saros_10r_is_not_doing_his_job_my_5_years_old_s5/) for example); in one case the roller lift was stuck so it couldn't actually touch the floor, that wasn't the issue in our case though. Since we had such a poor first impression after just a single day of testing, I didn't even want to get it replaced since I just expect better quality control for a flagship product that's this expensive. Next, just a general remark on the overal state of the robot vacuum market: why does every single robot seem to have issues? It seems that there is currently no product on the market that just works flawlessly: \- the Saros 10R (when working) is significantly worse at mopping than the Dreame/Mova models \- both Dreame and Mova have battery drain issues (which I wouldn't mind since we schedule most runs at night, but kinda sucks since it makes one single run a lot longer than it has to be) and issues with the build quality of the front wheel where it either breaks immediately or after the first couple of months. This is covered by warranty and should be resolved now, but you still read about it quite often. I've also seen issues with navigation in a couple video reviews. \- the Eufy E28 seems great, read a couple posts with glowing reviews but it also seems to be having issues with a leaking dirty water tank, leaving dirty droplets on the floors. From what I've read, this should be fixed with a redesigned dirty water tank which they are aiming to release as a free replacement by the end of July? So no clue what we should get to be honest. The Eufy E28 seems our best shot, after the redesigned dirty water tank is released, but even for that one I've seen some complaints soooo.. yeah.

I have three roborocks (Saros 10R, S8 Max V ultra, S8 Pro Ultra) with the oldest being two years old now. All three have built in auto dispensers. Besides using roborocks floor solution I've used any european floor cleaning solution brand you can think off and everything has been fine so far. Only drawback from from some of the non roborock solutions is that they do sometimes make the mops smell bed. Only thing I stay clear off is using cleaning products which have alcohol in them as that can eat up the rubbery bits inside the dock and robot.

I am engineer and I agree with you, what new technological approaches can come at the cost let say of electricity bill. Or technical part responsible for water cycle: clean water - dirt water - dust, can be not reliable for longer exploitation. But I will keep the eye on this brand and Now come down with just ordered Roborock G20s Ultra.

hi, congratz with new purchase. I have Saros 10R already for 3 weeks and I am happy too. I took the model with connection to water system. So I do not touch the robot at all. It is complete hands off. Have read what dust sack need change every 70 days, so have a time to rest :D. It is a real Robot, you have only actuate the cleaning process. Do almost every second day.

Hi, Had Roborocok S50 in the past with 2000 Pa, now have Roborock S10R (G30s Ultra China version). I am dissapoint. 20000 Pa is not better than 2000Pa. I thought maybe the problem what I got China version, and China version is not good compare to the one provide to western countries. But i see such problem noticed not only me, and not only for G30s Ultra, Saros 10R is observed same suction problem. It is really sad. I starting to think to skip to other brands. I see ECOVACS DEEBOT X9 PRO Omni can be really promising. If Roborock not stops to fake on numbers for marketing purpose - they will loose fans in near future! Me too.

Had the saros 10r running for the last month just pulled the tray out the other night just to check it's all good.. Tray was smicko the base had a little bit of crud but about a 10c piece worth! Pretty stoked we have 3 dogs and they do a great job of making my house a mess. But the saros has been pretty wicked experience no tangle ups so far! We have a heavy clay yard here and it gets dirty very quickly so I find it vacuums & mops our living area every day something I could not be assed with 🤣🤣🤣

Yes! Worth it. Roeborock has some tangle free designs and I own one of those and it is worth it. Their Saros 10R is pricey but it will avoid poop. I previously owned an old school shark that bounced around all over the house. It was loud and the bouncing was hard to sit through and it would seek out poop and smear it. I swear it did it on purpose. I would have to take it apart to clean it but even that one was way better than sweeping and mopping.

Just bought the 10R. I love it. I bought it on prime day. I love the self cleaning feature and that it can recognize my pets and avoid them. I love that I don’t have to cut my long hair off the roller. I love the self cleaning feature and how it dumps the dirt and water in the bin. I walk barefoot all the time and my floors feel clean again. I don’t have any “in between” models to compare it to. (I went big. 😬) So I can’t say whether or not a less expensive model would have done just as well. Here are the down sides to the one I bought: The user manual isn’t very thorough. You have to find videos or figure it out yourself. I still haven’t got it to respond to voice commands but that is a gimmicky feature that I will rarely use anyway. It mapped out my kitchen well so even if I love the trash can it doesn’t clean in that spot. I have to control it manually or mark that place on the map and tell it mop and vac here to get it to do that spot. I could reset the map but I spent quite a bit of time building it out and spot cleaning is just as easy. It doesn’t come with cleaning fluid. I mean come on Roborock for the kind of cash I dropped you could include just enough to fill the cleaning tank one time. As I mentioned before. A good comparison of their models might reveal a less expensive viable alternative. In short: I love it and the many pros outweigh the few cons by miles. I say go for it. Get one. Your back will thank you!!

I have the saros 10 with the plumbing dock, truly life changing

have the saros 10 with plumbing and connected to HA, automatically cleans when im not home

I bought a Roborock Saros 10R when they released and it was decent. I liked a lot of things about it, but it wasn’t great at mopping. Left streaks everywhere on my laminate. It ended up screwing up so I returned it. I ended up trying the MOVA P10 Pro after seeing all the glowing reviews on it and I’m telling you, IT’S AMAZING!! It honestly cleans better than the Saros did and it still fits under my couch for cleaning and stuff. Seriously, for $500, which it is on sale almost all the time, it is an absolute no brainer! I could buy one of these for every floor, have amazing cleaning and convenience and still save $600 over the Saros. Zero regrets here

I had purchased a Roborock Saros 10R when they released and mine broke within weeks. I ended up returning it instead of trying to warranty it out. If since bought a mova p10 pro ultra and it cleans every bit as good as the Saros 10r did. If I’m honest, it actually cleans better because the 10r would leave streaks on my floor and this one doesn’t. For 1/3 of the price of a 10r, this mova p10 pro ultra is a no brainer in my opinion.

Just my two cents here. I went with the Roborock Saros 10R and I returned the Ecovacs X9 Pro Omni for many of the same reasons others have (navigates a straight line like a drunken sailor, very short battery life, taking wide turns on some corners, not fitting under the lip of the kitchen cabinets even though it did not have a lidar tower...) but what put the nail in the coffin was the mopping streaks we had after days 2-3. We use RO water so it should be as pure as you can get but the streaks just kept getting worse and worse no matter what mop settings we used (more/less water no difference). I believe it has to do with the rakes in the mop cleaning tray... (If I cut them off it probably would have solved it 100% but I did not want to be stuck with an expensive robovac if it didn't fix it) I ended up with the Saros 10R which is not only thinner it is also very quiet compared to the X9. Straight lines are also not an issue for it. https://preview.redd.it/nsb8m5k9sief1.jpeg?width=2035&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f93a59ee5dec2f85ffe58a9f54c6dfb5d31e2f9 Don't get me wrong, cleaning wise the x9 is probably as close as you can get to a 10/10 (vacuumed everything and mopped the dirt really well... but the streaks...)

I returned mine today for many of the same reasons as you (navigates a straight line like a drunken sailor, very short battery life, taking wide turns on some corners, not fitting under the lip of the kitchen cabinets even though it did not have a lidar tower...) but what put the nail in the coffin was the mopping streaks we had after days 2-3. We use RO water so it should be as pure as you can get but the streaks just kept getting worse and worse no matter what mop settings we used (more/less water no difference). I believe it has to do with the rakes in the mop cleaning tray... (If I cut them off it probably would have solved it 100% but I did not want to be stuck with an expensive robovac if it didn't fix it) I ended up with the Saros 10R which is not only thinner it is also very quiet compared to the X9. Straight lines are also not an issue for it. https://preview.redd.it/7kzgt9h5l4df1.jpeg?width=2035&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f02e61c05dfeab1587bfff2d467c845514a8af1 Don't get me wrong, cleaning wise it is probably as close as you can get to a 10/10 (vacuumed everything and mopped the dirt really well... but the streaks...)

We’ve had the Roborock Saros 10 for just over a month now. We have one dog that sheds & a toddler that is in and out of the house all the time so our floors cop it with dirt, sand, grass etc. The Roborock holds up really well! I let it go once a day mostly, sometimes twice in select areas and it definitely looks and feels clean. The Saros 10 also gets under low lying furniture, which I absolutely LOVE!! Because then all the pet hair and dust that sits under furniture is no longer an issue

I posted a mini review of the Saros 10 on this subreddit and also in r/Roborock, check it out! Maybe it’ll help your decision a bit :)

I’ve been extremely happy with my Saros 10. Highly recommend.

There's trade offs to anything you buy. I disagree the S1 Pro is a nightmare for maintenance. I clean it once a week like everything else. It's fine. Here's how to clean it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFVwWhZluRQ&t=213s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFVwWhZluRQ&t=213s) It's a poor vacuum performer, but so is the 10R compared to previous models. How much of your home is carpet? You can switch out its brush roll for the Eufy E20 brush to improve it. However, the biggest problem with the S1 Pro is it's been out for more than a year and it's getting long in the tooth. You'd be paying for old tech at this point. There's some new models coming this fall from Mova, Dreame and Narwal that have rollers. It may be worth the wait to see if there's one with better cleaning performance for carpeted areas.

As someone who has owned both a 10R and Z70, I died laughing at the 10R winning the OA category. What a joke. It has worse OA in normal household lighting than my S8. Maybe they should stop testing everything under ridiculously bright studio lights on the perfect light colored floor. I'm starting to think these manufacturers watch all these videos and adjust their products accordingly.

You definitely should put your S8 MaxV Ultra upstairs and try it out on the highest suction setting. I have the 10R and in good conscience can’t recommend it. It’s a step backward in performance, in my opinion, from the S8 series and is mostly form over function. Others disagree, but most of them aren’t comparing it to an S8 MaxV Ultra either. They’re coming from other brands or cheaper units.

Well, Roborock with Adaptilift would do the job (Qrevo Edge/Curve and Saros 10/10r) or Dreame X50 Ultra and Mova V50 Ultra. Most robot vacuums can climb up to 2cm, but that's the maximum limit, so you better choose the above models. Btw, I love your room layout. It looks very pleasant to my eyes.

Well, Roborock with Adaptilift would do the job (Qrevo Edge/Curve and Saros 10/10r) or Dreame X50 Ultra and Mova V50 Ultra. Most robot vacuums can climb up to 2cm, but that's the maximum limit, so you better choose the above models. Btw, I love your room layout. It looks very pleasant to my eyes.

Airflow in CFM is more important than humongous suction power in Pascal. Roborock's latest model, like Saros and Qrevo Curv, has a lower CFM number than other brands like Ecovacs or Dreame. Even old Roborock models like S5 and S7 have better airflow than the current model. Airflow is important to pick up fine dust, and suction power is important to pick up large debris. So, a good vacuum cleaner must have a sweet spot between those criteria because having too much of either the suction or airflow will diminish the cleaning performance. Nowadays suction power is more like a marketing bluff rather than true cleaning performance. Some reviews showed Saros 10r unable to pick up fine dust or hair embedded deep in carpet. The brush design, motor, and airduct design also play a role in the airflow and suction power. The airflow would decrease if the distance from the cleaning head to the motor increased. Like the complex cyclonic Dyson, increase the distance path for the air to take, causing it to lose significant airflow while still having strong suction power because suction is a form of vacuum pressure.

Well, in that case, Saros 10/10r would do a good job on most hard floors. About the multiple floors, almost all robots nowadays have multifloor features that could save the map of different floors. But, you can only have one dock, and you have to pick the robot up from one floor to clean another floor and carry it back to the floor where its dock is placed after it's done cleaning. Like I said before, if your home is mostly carpet like in an older house, an expensive Dyson Vis Nav would beat all models from Chinese brands because it is very optimized for carpet cleaning. Chinese brands that specifically state their carpet cleaning ability currently are Dreame/Mova with their Vormax TM system (in all their models) and Ecovacs with their BLAST TM system (in T50 Max Pro and X9 Pro). I haven't seen Roborock state their carpet cleaning focus other than increasing suction power. Both Dreame/Mova and Ecovacs have different approaches. The Vormax is more focused on the cleaning head design and strong suction, while Ecovacs focuses on redesigning its turbine blade and motor power. But, there is one feature in Dreame that other brands (except Narwhal) don't have! A fur/hair compression in a dust bin. It uses air pressure to compress fur or hair in the bin so it would be packed and the robot could vacuum without needing to empty the bin many times. They are also releasing new models that have 3 mopping solution cartridges, one of which is for pet odor solution. No other brand has this feature yet. Dreame's latest Aqua 10 Pro Track now supports 100°C hot mopping with track mop instead of roller mop, but this model is now only available for the Asia region. EU and NA are coming soon. You could try Dreame/Mova! Their product are more tailored for houses with carpet and furry companions than Roborock. In fact, their websites discussed a lot about this. Also, their AI object recognition and avoidance are slightly better than Roborock's. See Dreame's website about their pet hair solution: https://www.dreametech.com/pages/robot-vacuum-for-pet-hair

For Roborock, choose their model with a DuoDivide brush for the anti-tangle feature. It comprises several models: - Qrevo S5A/S5V (cheaper) - Qrevo Edge - Qrevo Curv - Saros 10 - Saros 10R (expensive flagship) S5A/S5V only have structured light-based obstacle avoidance sensors. The rest uses a combination of structured light and an AI RGB camera, which should perform better in detecting pet surprises. Only Saros 10 uses a vibrating mop pad while the rest uses a spinning-style mop. The mopping result differs between a vibrating mop and a spinning mop, but it depends on your house environment. People here reported different results between them.

For Roborock, choose their model with a DuoDivide brush for the anti-tangle feature. It comprises several models: - Qrevo S5A/S5V (cheaper) - Qrevo Edge - Qrevo Curv - Saros 10 - Saros 10R (expensive flagship) S5A/S5V only have structured light-based obstacle avoidance sensors. The rest uses a combination of structured light and an AI RGB camera, which should perform better in detecting pet surprises. Only Saros 10 uses a vibrating mop pad while the rest uses a spinning-style mop. The mopping result differs between a vibrating mop and a spinning mop, but it depends on your house environment. People here reported different results between them.

I have the 10R. While I haven't owned any other robovac to make a fair comparison to what I'd expect out of a robovac. If I had to point out the things that I don't like it'll be the streaking and the small air filter on the robot itself. It leaves streaking circular marks from the spinning mops and the filter on the robot is so small. I find myself having the urge to clean it every 2 days or so. Their job is to filter out particles and that's what it's been doing. But because of its small physical size, I (feel) that debries inheritly affect its suction power greatly as it clogs up. Think how a grain of sand would cloge your small vein greatly, but the same grain of sand won't clog up a large plumbing pipe as much in comparison. An exaggerated example but you get the idea. Again, I haven't dealt with any other robovac before to have any standard for my expectation. Nor have I owned this robovac not even for a whole month. So I could very well be not saying justice to it's performance. It's just my thoughts on overall common design limitation (small filter) and the results I'm seeing (streaking).

The Roborock saros 10r is great with pe hair, had it for 1 month absolutely no issues with tangled hair

Go for whatever has the duodivider, I have the 10R and a Husky Lab mix, this mf sheds like he gets paid . Absolutely no hair tangled in 3 months I've had it

Roborock S10 (Saros 10r) – more mature ecosystem, great app, strong vac. Doesn’t have hot mop washing like Dreame/Mova. Service/support tends to be better established. Dreame X50 Ultra – full flagship. ProLeap legs (6 cm), dual roller, hot mop wash, strong suction. Best for mixed floors and heavier mess. Parts are easy enough to find now but price is higher. Some users love it, some get quirks and support can be hit or miss depending on region. Mova V50 Ultra – basically Dreame tech under a different name. Same hardware family, sometimes priced lower. Software updates come slower, but performance is close to X50. Ecovacs X9 Pro – strong mopping, but suction and obstacle avoidance are behind Dreame/X50. Their newer X2/X1 lines are better, so X9 Pro feels a bit dated now. If you were happy with your S7 and just want “next level,” the X50 Ultra gives you the most upgrade in features (threshold climbing, mop care, suction). The S10 is a safer bet if you want stability and support.

We have a 3200sq/ft main floor of your house. Originally I had two S8 and just upgraded to a single 10R. The biggest issues I had with the S8 was no dock, hair tangles and below average mopping. The dock can be solved with a number of models but tank and bag capacity make a huge difference as well as mop cleaning. I had to touch the S8 way too often to remove tangles which meant I ran it less and less. The mop itself just doesn’t do well with only vibrating plus it dragged on the carpets. The 10R so far is a huge step up, especially with tangles and mopping. The corner reach and spinning pick up a lot more dirt and the removable mops keep the carpet dry. I also don’t have to touch it or the base often since it takes care of itself. I also get more cleaned due to the lower profile and believe it’s much quieter than my S8. If any of those features are worth it, spend once and enjoy the benefits.

I can tell you based on my personal experience. I bought the X50 Ultra and since day 1 had issues, especially climbing threshold and malfunctioning. Since then, 2 weeks ago, I have been trying to return for a full refund, and it's been a nightmare dealing with their customer service ( it is horrendous). Please note I ordered this product from the DREAME website with a pre-sale coupon. Meanwhile, I am dealing with this, I bought ( Amazon) the Roborock Saros 10R and it is a game-changer, it's been 3 days now owning this robot and no issues at all, I find it smarter than X50. My best advice, when ordering make sure to do it from a major retailer, it would be smooth if you have to return the product. Good luck.

This story is beautiful but the truth is that many sites prefer the 10R, starting with just Dad. Afterwards I agree on the fact that roborock has a really unclear product placement this year without taking into account the numerous bugs on the 2025 range. I'm already on my 2nd exchange with my Saros 10R. Frankly, I'm considering going to dreame even though I imagine it will be the same with them

Saros 10 I was underwhelmed by. As for the X9 Omni Pro I have been very impressed with it in real world usage. The mopping is exceptional and I have had no concerns regarding vacuuming. Where did it fall short in your testing?

So far, yes. Didn't use it much though due to some renovations at home

I don't have much advice. But I was in the same boat. Settled on the Saros 10 Utility. And it's been fantastic.

I would strongly stay away from Z70 You can look at Dreame, but Saros 10, 10R and Q Revo Curv should be good

other than what u/UnderstandingNo5785 said, its very bad at cleaning when it comes to vacuuming. for 2000 dollar price tag you would expect better cleaning performance, but in tests it has performed really badly in vacuuming. saros 10 and 10r preform way better than it.

I’m pretty happy with 10 after latest update.I prefer flat mop and more conventional radar system.

The USPs for me are its ability to punch through a sofa valance to clean underneath and to go under my 8cm TV cabinet. Only hiccup so far is that the bin had trouble emptying when it was full of Xmas pine needles and Labrador and cat hair but that only happened immediately after a family Xmas and it hasn't happened since. That said, I've had occasional dock suction blockages with all robot vacs I've tested from time to time so I give it the benefit of doubt. Otherwise it's a 5-star product and I really can't fault it. Having also reviewed the iRobot 10 Max I think it's time iRobot packed up and went home. Appalling product in almost every respect.

the navigation is excellent and it's the first bot I've ever used that's fitted with LiDAR (very clever solid-state) to go though a sofa valance! And once I'd selected the 'Pet' option it deftly avoided the small dog nylon bone without riding over it.

I have both the 10 and 10R and a Z70 I haven't opened yet. It's a tricky one – both are excellent cleaners but I prefer the 10R's mops to the 10's mopping pad, though I rarely mop. I also like the sleek looks of the 10R robot unit but much prefer the look of the 10 dock with its hidden water containers and push-to-open bin door. Both have good obstacle avoidance but only when the 'pet' option in settings is applied (it's off by default). However, my biggest deciding factor with robot vacs of all kinds is how well they empty their bins as I have four shedding animals at home. In this regard I've had issues of the dock blocking with the 10R, incomplete emptying and dust collection around the bag interface area. The 10 has been fine to date. So, given this and a few other things, I'd say the 10 just swings it.

I have both the 10 and 10R and a Z70 I haven't opened yet. It's a tricky one – both are excellent cleaners but I prefer the 10R's mops to the 10's mopping pad, though I rarely mop. I also like the sleek looks of the 10R robot unit but much prefer the look of the 10 dock with its hidden water containers and push-to-open bin door. Both have good obstacle avoidance but only when the 'pet' option in settings is applied (it's off by default). However, my biggest deciding factor with robot vacs of all kinds is how well they empty their bins as I have four shedding animals at home. In this regard I've had issues of the dock blocking with the 10R, incomplete emptying and dust collection around the bag interface area. The 10 has been fine to date. So, given this and a few other things, I'd say the 10 just swings it.

Selbstverständlich kann man beim Roborok 10 R eine Raumreihenfolge festlegen, zudem auch nochmals als individuelle Eingabe für jeden Raum einen separaten Tag und eine individuelle Startzeit angeben. Wenn man testet, sollte man sich vor Veröffentlichungen einfach mit der Materie beschäftigen!

I’ve been using the Roborock Saros 10r for months and still haven’t had a single hair get tangled in there. Look for their models with the “DuoDivide” brush. I have 2 pets and a wife with long hair, so I honestly didn’t expect it to work this well. So much better than the piece of junk roomba j9+ that I used to have.

While I’m little shocked about the price (looks like that would’ve totally been enough for me vs. my Qrevo Curv) it looks to me like it’s “at least” missing the flexiarm side brush which does make quiet a difference (I needed to manually sweep around all edges with my S7 while this extending side arm really helps to clean the corners). I doubt that’s worth the ~400€ I payed extra for the Curv though.. DuoDivide is really as great as everyone already stated here so I’d definitely get one that has that, maybe wait a few days for this model if you can live without the extending arm (the mop still does extend).

Hey OP, I just got a 10r have run it a few times to test everything is running and noticed that the side brush doesn’t run when on carpet. Have you noticed that too?

Thanks! Just wanted to make sure I didn’t get a defective unit or something. I actually had the x40 before I realized this was coming out but return it cause I like Roborock more but I may have to look into dreame again. I know the x50 is coming out in a couple days so may give that a shot.

Depends on use. For me, it being able to pick up pet hair effectively is extremely important. Also, you’re never going to get rid of vacuums. There are plenty of places the robots can’t get into, but vacuuming the hard to reach places take little time and is just requiree every once in a while. Only the open spaces where you walk is important to keep as clean as possible. Got a robot vacuum because I just don’t have the energy to vacuum often enough. Cat litter and pet hair builds up insanely fast everywhere and my rug gets frustratingly difficult to clean if you wait even a week. Most of the time is spent cleaning pet hair. I wish it could also clean other things of pet hair instead of just the floor but it’s great to not have to step on cat litter and get hair under my feet all the time. Also nice because I have very mild cat dander allergy, this definitely removes a fair bit of dander regularly. I’m thinking of selling my big vacuum (not the stick type) and buy a stick vacuum. Actually bought a dyson several years ago thinking it would make it easier to just get off the wall and clean more often but turns out I’m too lazy. But I still need to clean hard to reach places and the big, chunky vacuum is harder to use and takes more place than a stick vacuum for that.

Köpte precis min saros 10r, svenska roborock butiken har dom inne, dock tog jag sista exemplaret vid skrivande tid. Med student beans rabatt blev det 15200kr istället för 17000kr, men även andra får 5% rabatter vid registrering av nyhetsbrev eller 8% om man rekommenderar en vän. Coolshop säljer dom också men dom tar överpris, 1500kr mer än roborock själva för att inte nämna att man får ytterligare rabatt på se.roborock.com. Jag såg till att dubbelkolla att roborock följer lokala lagar som EU/svenska lagar. Alltså konsumentköplagen och reklamationsrätten ska enligt deras svar kunna användas, annars brukar jag föredra att köpa lite dyrare i annan butik för alla vet väl hur dåliga företags egna garantier brukar vara. Massa klauser/undantag och är typ omöjligt att få igenom något om dom sätter sig på tvären då dom kan hitta på anledningar till att neka men med reklamationsrätten så har dom ju bevisbörda i 2 år och om dom inte har stenhårt bevis så räknas det som fabriksfel. Efter det går bevisbördan över på sig själv sista året men även det lär göra det lättare. Finns också begränsningar som tid dom har på sig m.m. Skulle aldrig våga köpa en 15-17 tusen grej utan reklamationsrätt… Brukar ha grejer i 2.5 år sen sälja begagnat innan garantier och reklamationsrätt går ut och använda den summan till nästa version, blir mest ekonomiskt långsiktigt då.

I have had the 10R for 2 weeks and are extremely happy with its mopping, vacuum , ability to step up over edges between carpet and wood and mapping / avoidance capabilities. This seems to be a best in class device.

I have the Roborock s10r and have only wood and tile flooring. It’s fantastic

It is going great! No issues so far.

There is unfortunately no "best" but rather a "best at [insert feature]". However, it seems to me that brand-wise, Roborock and Dreame's flagships (Saros 10/10R; X50 Ultra, respectively) are most consistently mentioned across different testers when looking for the feature-wise and "overall" best. Comparing all the features of the best models just last week, Roborock Saros 10R looked most well-rounded (good or excellent across all categories, some outstanding features) plus most suitable for our home (pets). Bought it and love it so far :)

I suggest you repost this in the roborock subreddit for more replies and experiences with these models. This sub tends to favour brands other than roborock, even though I don't know why. That said, with your main priorities, I would not consider buying the S8, as the saros10r / qrevo curv offer a better anti-tangle brush and thus less maintenance. Saros 10r is worth buying if you truly need perfect obstacle avoidance, don't want the LiDAR and have furniture that it can fit under while the curv can't. edit: formatting

Saros 10R and Qrevo Curv both have the DuoDivide brush, which is great against hair tangles and terrible for vacuuming carpets. They are great mops and the automation is amazing, but they are worse than the one you already tried for what you need it to do.

Great comment! Qrevo master is seriously underrated, and the perfect robot indeed doesn't exist. However, the Qrevo Master's rotating mops do extend for edge cleaning, just like the ones of Saros 10R. We actually ordered the Master first and vacuuming was so much better with the Master than with the Saros (but hair tangles), and mopping is literally identical. We in the end decided to upgrade to Saros 10R because of its starsight navigation + anti-tangling brush + slim profile (Master was one frustrating cm short of fitting under the couch). If none of these features matters to OP, Qrevo Master is the best of both worlds, really: Vaccum module like the S8, mopping module like the Saros 10R. At least in my European country, the Qrevo Master is also significantly cheaper than the S8 MaxV Ultra. edit for clarity.

You might not be happy with the build quality of the lower end series like the Q. Stick with Premium. I would get the S series or Saros. The Q series feels very cheap compared to the S plus it can handle the hair NP. It’s a more attractive unit too unless you like a shiny egg that looks like it came out of an 80s movie. lol

Yes, I just recently got the Saros 10R during the Prime Day sale and I’m loving it even though I’ve only had it for a week. I’ve been running it daily and mopping the high traffic areas and my floor have never been this clean. I can really see and feel the difference

Yeah it was definitely a steep price. I hesitated for a bit but ended up caving on the last day of the Prime Day sale. I was using the Roborock S4 Max before (vacuum only) and it worked great for years, but I got tired of the daily upkeep and it didn’t do well with long hair. I also had my eye on the QX Revo from Costco for $579.99. It looked like a solid deal and was my second choice, but it was sold out when I was ready to buy.

That’s great to hear that you think so, because I couldn’t resist either and ordered the Saros 10R on Thursday :-D. It arrived Friday morning. My first impression – very nice design and solid build quality (especially for a Chinese device). The second thing that surprised me was the lack of even a sample of detergent in the box, so I immediately ordered a 1-liter bottle (which arrived Saturday at a parcel locker). But I went away for the weekend and only got back last night, so I haven’t really had the chance to play with it yet. The only thing I did was start a full vacuum and mop run of the whole apartment on Friday before leaving, without bothering to check for any objects lying around – and unfortunately, about 20 minutes later I got a notification from the app saying one of the mop pads had fallen off and the wheels were stuck. It turned out the robot had gotten tangled in the power cable of an electric baby rocker. When I came back yesterday, the battery was completely drained, so the first cleaning experience was really poor. But last night I did a full vacuum and mop again, and so far it's OK. The only thing that puzzles me is why it marked the edge of my large rug in the living room, and when I run a manual vacuum-only job for that room, it still refuses to go on the rug and clean it. I’ve looked through the options, edited furniture settings, etc., but I can’t figure it out.

I sent the saros 10R packing and bought the curv x. Other than the obstacle avoidance and the detergent dispenser I think the curv x is better. Much higher suction power, more downward pressure on the mop pads and retractable lidar for better navigation. I had them both for a week and ran them every other day and the water bin was much darker in the curv x. They also added quick charging which was important to me. They both leave water droplets on the floor while mopping.

I have the same (or very similar) IKEA rug but in blue. My Saros 10 got stranded on it twice in the first week so I made it a no go zone. Fortunately it didn't stop it accessing anything else in our house.

Sorry it goes round it. Before I made the no-go zone It would sometimes climb onto it on flatter edges, but then it could get stuck and give up. I even bought it a little ramp but it knocked it out of position and trapped itself. A shame, but not a massive deal for me as it does the rest of downstairs without issue.

I have two German shepherds and a pitbull that both shed. No carpet in my house, just lvp fwiw. I recently returned my first robot vacuum purchase (an ecovacs t50 max pro Omni), which admittedly did do a good job of getting up the fur, but also sucked up literally anything in its path because its object avoidance was god awful. The final straw was a float switch or something malfunctioning and its base station barfing up dirty mop water all over my floor. Its replacement is a saros 10r. It does as good if not better of a job at getting the fur up on a lower power setting, so it’s much quieter. Also, its map allows you to tell it where there are pet bowls and pet beds and it will ramp up the suction just around those areas. And the object avoidance is fantastic. It got stuck a single time trying to get into my bathroom where there’s a bit of a jump up onto the tile. Has sucked up 0 cords. Got stuck on 0 flip flops. And had shit mop water onto my floor 0 times. I would highly recommend the saros 10r

Has to be. I bought an ecovacs since it was at the top of their list. Returned it after it screwed up and spewed dirty mop water all over my floor. The saros 10r I got to replace it has blown it away so far.

The going under things is one of the reasons why I returned mine in favor of spending more on the 10R. I’d rather have a robot that reliably went under things than one I had to fiddle with to get it to.

I did that, but kept detecting it as a wall, or just wouldn’t even try in the case of some furniture.

I have two large dogs that shed constantly and the 10r has been amazing. Well worth the investment

The saros 10 is better dobqiellonchebhai in terms of self-cleaning, but still it is very annoying. Saros 10R borders on perfection

The saros 10 is better dobqiellonchebhai in terms of self-cleaning, but still it is very annoying. Saros 10R borders on perfection

I bought the Roborock Saros 10 two months ago and I'm extremely happy with it - our floors have never been this clean! **Our setup:** - PVC flooring (deliberately chose no carpets because of debris that gets stuck in them) - Mat at the front door + tiles in bathroom/toilet - everything gets cleaned excellently - Integrated with Home Assistant: automatically starts cleaning when my wife and I leave the house **Experience:** - We basically never see it working and come home to clean floors - It's never been this clean under our beds - Previously we often had stains in the living room from oil/food from our 2-year-old daughter - that's now a thing of the past **Maintenance:** I go through the docking station weekly with a wet cloth, and it looks like new. **Only downside:** Carrying the base station upstairs for deep cleaning sessions is a bit annoying, but then you do get multiple mop cleanings during one session. **Bottom line:** If you're hesitating about the hygiene upgrade, I can definitely recommend it. The difference compared to manual cleaning is huge, especially with small children in the house!

S 10R is the best all round robot in the market

10r has better mopping performance than the 10 10r has upgraded dock that has a removable tray making cleaning significantly easier 10r for cleaning and maintenance needs alone. Coming from a s8max I hated cleaning that dock. Took hours to do. 10r dock takes less than 15 to clean

10r has better mopping performance than the 10 10r has upgraded dock that has a removable tray making cleaning significantly easier 10r for cleaning and maintenance needs alone. Coming from a s8max I hated cleaning that dock. Took hours to do. 10r dock takes less than 15 to clean

Have had the 10R for a month. No complaints about navigation. Hasn't bumped into anything, it does slow down approaching objects I've noticed. I don't think thats bad though.

Good. Now just compare Saros10R with Saros10 and you’re done…

Good. Now just compare Saros10R with Saros10 and you’re done…

I’m not going to be the one to dissuade you from buying top tier because I don’t think it’s fair to make value judgments about someone I don’t know based on how they spend their money. You are allowed to make whatever consumer-related decisions you wish as it’s your business and no one else’s. I wanted to also speak up for the Saros 10R, though, and to tell you I’m absolutely thrilled with mine — it arrived this past weekend (I’m also in NorCal). It’s a superior machine — I’m newly arrived from the Roomba camp, very happy to have finally made the switch, and owned their top-of-the-line model previously. The Saros 10R blows all of their technology out of the water, just like everyone said in pretty much every corner of the internet — they were right, and I’m really shocked at what a dramatically better machine this is by comparison. You won’t regret the purchase - I sure didn’t; I’m absolutely thrilled with it and don’t have any remorse at spending that kind of cash on this machine for a second — my technology spending rule has always been to buy the best you can possibly afford to future-proof yourself for as long as possible (which isn’t always very long these days). I have a pretty tidy home (2b/ba 1,200 sq. ft. city apartment with wood, tile, and low-to-medium-pile area rugs with two small pets, no children, and one husband) and it’s exceedingly rare for there to be errant objects littered about like socks etc., but I still love the idea of object avoidance when appropriate and in all the testing I saw in reviews of this feature it seems the 10R will be stellar if it encounters anything. It has already correctly identified cord clusters along walls and other such things, and will do with them what I tell it via the fantastic app. It cleans so well I’m actually questioning whether my floors were ever clean at all before I switched to Roborock. The most surprising feature for me was how much quieter my 10R is compared to my previous Roomba (I owned their J9+ Combo), even when mopping — I almost can’t tell if it’s actually doing anything compared to the pretty noisy activity of my Roomba. I’m pleasantly and mildly shocked at the difference. In summation, I think you should go for it, get the 10R, and wave happily at any haters. 😉

I am chiming in to report my Saros 10R correctly identified my dog on the very first run and stayed away from him. It alerted me of this as well in the cleaning job. My dog isn’t necessarily reactive to our robots, and wasn’t bothered by the other model of robot vacuum we had previously, but I was impressed with how this model avoided interacting with him entirely. I highly recommend it for this and many other reasons. It’s superior!

Good luck to you! Yeah, Vacuum Wars basically said this about the Z70 in the YouTube review — I’d pass and go 10R. The Saros 10 is very different than the 10R; that model’s feature better suited my needs so I bought it instead of the 10 and the spinning mops work fantastically well.

The distinction really does seem to come down to how deep your carpets are. If you have traditional-carpeted areas of your home that are very plush, it seems likely you will not be satisfied with the vacuuming performance of the newer models. I’m very glad I don’t have carpets like this in my home but am very sympathetic to those that do - this would be very frustrating. For those of us who have low-to-mid-pile area rugs or other non-traditional carpeted areas interspersed with mostly hard-surface flooring, we’re thrilled with our 10’s and 10R’s. I hope deeper-carpet folk find the vacuums they crave.

The distinction really does seem to come down to how deep your carpets are. If you have traditional-carpeted areas of your home that are very plush, it seems likely you will not be satisfied with the vacuuming performance of the newer models. I’m very glad I don’t have carpets like this in my home but am very sympathetic to those that do - this would be very frustrating. For those of us who have low-to-mid-pile area rugs or other non-traditional carpeted areas interspersed with mostly hard-surface flooring, we’re thrilled with our 10’s and 10R’s. I hope deeper-carpet folk find the vacuums they crave.

Wow, that‘s pretty terrible!! I don’t know why but I have very different results with mine, and my area rugs and runners are about the same pile-depth as yours in this photo! Ugh. I have pets also, one short-haired dog and medium-haired pretty fluffy cat, so there’s definitely pet-hair work to be handled by my 10R but I’ve never seen something like your experience — I would be very displeased otherwise! I hope you get much better results with your new S8 MaxV Ultra — report back and let us know!

https://preview.redd.it/f2dia0rbfvcf1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fbe2aa81911b241b9b1d67e90a0c91b6d365280 Freshly vacuumed as part of a daily routine; zero misses. I guess I’m lucky! 🙃

There is only one answer to your first question: Duo Divide.

This. Most sites prefer the 10R. Any other vaccum roboter company switched their topmodels to spinning mops as well. OP just taking some reviewers he thinks tell the story his way and supports their tests. All of these are test scenarios anyhow. To my youtube reviewer search, also only including those not sponsored, 10R was slightly superior in mopping while no difference in sucking BUT with the already mentioned drawback of 10 increased complexity when it comes to cleaning the dock. There is no difference in navigation after both have had the chance to learn the environment after a few cleans. Both navigation systems are just equal. OP just loves the 10 and wants it to be the suprior model so hard. So be it. For you. But dont tell people that is a fact, because it isnt, you were highly biased right from the beginning and seemed immune vs facts even telling people for a long time the water tank would be so much bigger in the 10. Yeah. 1mL. **It's easy: 10R > 10.** But both are the best you can buy right now. There is simply no significant difference apart from docking cleanability and yeah, as already mentioned, corner mopping. This micro-mop on the 10 really is a joke, can't concinve me of anything else and this fact none of the youtubers took into considerations as well. So easy pick. You can try to convince yourself that the 10 is superior, but in fact, it isn't. :) Enough on this stupid comparison now, cheers! Happy easter everyone!

Sure you got a list of "ignore this review" from youtubers who put the 10R over the 10. But here is just one to get you started, who - oh no - states as well that the 10R has slightly better mopping performance. Looking at your history of comments you are on a mission right from the beginning to spread the message that 10 is superior to 10R and I can only guess because only the 10 was about to released to your country? I don't know. Here are two big testers international, I sticked to german reviewers since I am from germany but the conclusion is the same overall: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ZU6wM5w88](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ZU6wM5w88) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkHBbDCOsNE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkHBbDCOsNE) Stick to the facts: \- Manual cleaning the dock is required and much more complex with the 10 \- The mini side cleaning cloth of the 10 is a joke and was not tested properly by ANY of the youtubers out there, this mini surface is simply a joke and there is no test needed to conclude that this will not get the job as good as the big pad with much bigger surface to adsorb the dirt \- Navigation: No difference \- Suction power: 10R slightly above 10 but in that range its anyhow, as you confirm yourself, marketing \- 10 has a 1mL bigger internal water tank \- Cleaning performance 10R>10 according to my youtube research I've done since both were on my radar, but only SLIGHTLY so nothing I would call the 10R suprior to the 10, however when it comes to cleaning edges there is a CLEAR lead from the 10R due to the huge pad vs. minipad that, again, none of the testers took into considerations Now that's enough for me for this thread. Have a great one Warm, bye :-)

You just don't get what I and others try to get to your brain with the size of the minimop. Its not backed because it was not considered or tested. Look how all these tests are made. Is there any dried up stains on corners tested? Any old dust already attached in a slightly sticky way to the floor like it does in real life? Not that I am aware of. And now take this super tiny piece of cloth and try to manually clean the corners of your house. You will find out that it is fully absorbed with dirt after a few meters. And there is a SIGNIFICANT difference to the size of the 10R. But hey. You asked proof. I delivered. You were, as expected, not satisfied even though I provided requested "evidence" whatever you can call some youtubers "evidence". Yeah. I could get you much more videos of said conclusion on mopping performance but even if I present to you 50 more videos you won't be satisfied. I know this wont concinve you either as you will find other things. We get it, you are biased. From the beginning. You are fine with your choice. Got it. But stop spreading misinformation as self proclaimed facts while citing your three favorite youtubers that reflect your message. For everyone else who is interested in buying: make your own research but dont listen to biased OP who wants the 10 to be superior more than anything else. Consider this mini mop area of the 10 and ask yourself how much dirt would that be able to absorb before simply smearing it around. I repeat again - you cannot choose wrong with either of both, they are nearly equal but 10R has a slight edge in mopping performance and does not come with the complex manual cleaning of the docking station. Case closed.

This. Most sites prefer the 10R. Any other vaccum roboter company switched their topmodels to spinning mops as well. OP just taking some reviewers he thinks tell the story his way and supports their tests. All of these are test scenarios anyhow. To my youtube reviewer search, also only including those not sponsored, 10R was slightly superior in mopping while no difference in sucking BUT with the already mentioned drawback of 10 increased complexity when it comes to cleaning the dock. There is no difference in navigation after both have had the chance to learn the environment after a few cleans. Both navigation systems are just equal. OP just loves the 10 and wants it to be the suprior model so hard. So be it. For you. But dont tell people that is a fact, because it isnt, you were highly biased right from the beginning and seemed immune vs facts even telling people for a long time the water tank would be so much bigger in the 10. Yeah. 1mL. **It's easy: 10R > 10.** But both are the best you can buy right now. There is simply no significant difference apart from docking cleanability and yeah, as already mentioned, corner mopping. This micro-mop on the 10 really is a joke, can't concinve me of anything else and this fact none of the youtubers took into considerations as well. So easy pick. You can try to convince yourself that the 10 is superior, but in fact, it isn't. :) Enough on this stupid comparison now, cheers! Happy easter everyone!

Sure you got a list of "ignore this review" from youtubers who put the 10R over the 10. But here is just one to get you started, who - oh no - states as well that the 10R has slightly better mopping performance. Looking at your history of comments you are on a mission right from the beginning to spread the message that 10 is superior to 10R and I can only guess because only the 10 was about to released to your country? I don't know. Here are two big testers international, I sticked to german reviewers since I am from germany but the conclusion is the same overall: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ZU6wM5w88](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ZU6wM5w88) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkHBbDCOsNE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkHBbDCOsNE) Stick to the facts: \- Manual cleaning the dock is required and much more complex with the 10 \- The mini side cleaning cloth of the 10 is a joke and was not tested properly by ANY of the youtubers out there, this mini surface is simply a joke and there is no test needed to conclude that this will not get the job as good as the big pad with much bigger surface to adsorb the dirt \- Navigation: No difference \- Suction power: 10R slightly above 10 but in that range its anyhow, as you confirm yourself, marketing \- 10 has a 1mL bigger internal water tank \- Cleaning performance 10R>10 according to my youtube research I've done since both were on my radar, but only SLIGHTLY so nothing I would call the 10R suprior to the 10, however when it comes to cleaning edges there is a CLEAR lead from the 10R due to the huge pad vs. minipad that, again, none of the testers took into considerations Now that's enough for me for this thread. Have a great one Warm, bye :-)

I did = now the same one is 800. If you want to spend less, just wait.

I returned my Saros 10R because it was awful at vacuuming and got an S8 MaxV Ultra. It's a lot better.

Really don't understand how such an expensive vacuum is this bad at vacuuming.

If you have any furniture or tight spaces under 10 cm in height then height is a big plus for the saros 10. Mopping performance is likely very similiar between the two. Some tests show advantages for the vibrarise and some for the rotating mops. Might be different depending on what type of floor you have as well. The vibrarise pad works very well on hardwood floors imo. Obstacle avoidance is supposed to be better on saros 10, but i dont know if thats true. I can say it works very well, though not perfect on saros 10. Mainentance of the dock for qrevo is simpler since you can take the whole mopwash module out of the dock.

I disagree with that saros 10 cant do good edge cleaning. The edge mop works fine and gets all the way to the edge.

The 10 does a stupid good job vacuuming. It has literally brought an old rug back to life and fluffed it up with vacuum lines in it.

To be clear I'm talking about the 10, not the 10R

I just bought a 10R and I am super happy with it. I seriously considered the Z70 because I was already spending $1600 so why not spend $2000, but I couldn't get over how ugly and cheap it looks. I am very interested in the next generation of arm-equipped robots though, being able to pick up the dog toys instead of just cleaning around them sounds so nice.

I bought the Saros 10 and the vibrating mop seems to work a lot better than I expected it would. I originally wanted the 10R but thought it would look ugly in my home so I bought the 10 that came in white with frosted glass. I think the S8 MaxV Ultra looks ugly too, so I wouldn't buy it personally, but if you're already spending $1200 I would just spend $1500 to get the nicest one with all of the features and presumably more time remaining for software updates. I also am not hurting for money so maybe that $300 means less to me than it does to you, but if that's the case then maybe consider one of the $800ish robots that do pretty much the same job. If you care enough to post about it on Reddit and have your sister import it from Europe instead of just buying whatever is local then you should probably just get the Saros 10 in my opinion.

They both have trade offs vs the other but they’re both great robots. The 10 is a little more reliable because it uses an advanced version of last gen navigation tech, whereas the 10R uses the first generation of new navigation tech so it avoids objects better in certain scenarios but will sometimes be a buggier and less polished navigation experience. Personally I bought the 10 because I thought the white/silver dock looks nicer in my home. I was expecting to be a little disappointed in the vibrating mop pad which was my biggest concern but it’s actually great.

They both have trade offs vs the other but they’re both great robots. The 10 is a little more reliable because it uses an advanced version of last gen navigation tech, whereas the 10R uses the first generation of new navigation tech so it avoids objects better in certain scenarios but will sometimes be a buggier and less polished navigation experience. Personally I bought the 10 because I thought the white/silver dock looks nicer in my home. I was expecting to be a little disappointed in the vibrating mop pad which was my biggest concern but it’s actually great.

I have the white Saros 10 and my experience with the mop has been similar. I was expecting to be a little disappointed but it’s actually really good.

I wanted to share some differences between the 10R and Edge/Curve on carpet. I noticed the Edge was constantly getting stuck on our dogs toys in the bedroom, but other rooms it never had issues. The only difference was the rug in our bedroom. I setup a testing area to highlight the performance of the 10R over the Edge with object detection on rugs. As you can see, there's a huge difference between the two units; the 10R clearly has better object recognition, but the cleanup is not as good as the Edge.

I really enjoy the 10R, the Edge was nice, but the 10R is pretty much set and forget.

Yup! I have found the 10R needs to be at None to clean the room fully, otherwise it’s useless. The system is super sensitive.

Unlike the Edge and Master, in the middle of cleaning, you can manually tell the 10R to head back to the dock and empty the dust bin in the middle of cleaning. This feature isn’t available on the Master or Edge, you’ll need your setup routines.

StarSight has better resolution, I find it difficult to believe Roborock was forced to use solid state vs analog for navigation. The new system is leaps and bounds ahead of the older tech. The Z70 and 10R are essentially the same, just one obvious difference. Not sure how the Z70 can be the “best” while the 10R is third place. IMO, all three of these units are flagship, they offer different feature sets based on customers needs and wants. Roborock doesn’t do the best job offering a clear direction with their product lineup, too many SKUS and small differences between them. I personally own a 10R, I had a few other high end Roborock units over the past two months. There’s a clear difference between 360 LiDAR and StarSight, the old system was pretty darn good, it was confident and quick, but mirrors, and baby gates were not detected due to the technologies limitations. The new StarSight with the most recent firmware is incredible, it sees and reacts to everything, mirrors and gates are no problem, also, the system appears to learn, it took 3 attempts to use ramps into and out of our bedroom, the other units never acted this way. At the end of the day, navigation is king. From my opinion, StarSight is a flagship feature, because of this, I suggest anyone buying a 1,600+ device, make sure it has StarSight. Don’t trust any navigation issue comments posted before last week, the new firmware is darn near perfect.

This is why the 10R is what I always suggest for obstacles.

10R for sure, it’s outstanding at detecting our Goldens toys. The mopping and anti tangle have been great over the past month.

I made this video a few weeks ago, it displays the 10R ability to navigate a cluttered room. https://www.reddit.com/r/Roborock/s/68Xr4gSORR

I can attest, the 10R will meet and exceed 1 - 6 on your list, I have one and we love it. Zero hair tangles and it navigates our house without issues.

It picks everting up oh my hardwood floors and area rugs. Happy with the performance.

It’s amazing! I posted this video a while back, the 10R doesn’t touch a single item while the Edge attacks them all. https://www.reddit.com/r/Roborock/s/hasSM6euQl

I’m sorry, I saw 10. I really do enjoy the 10R, it’s truly set and forget. No issues with our puppy toys all over the house.

We have the Saros 10 but it’s quite pricey since it also mops. It does a good job when it mops too but in my personal opinion, a regular roborock that just vacuums is the way to go just because that’s the feature you’d use most. We have it on a schedule for the vacuum to go off every day at 12pm and it’s been great!

Reviewers are rewarded to get videos out ASAP for views. First review out gets all the clicks. I was one of the last ones to release the video due to the units getting several firmware updates that changed their behavior. Vacuum Wars buys his units retail so his videos should reflect what a buyer would see. You mentioned that I chose the 10r over the 10. "but at the end he said he’d personally go for the 10R, purely because he believes Roborock is moving forward with **Starsight Navigation**, since it’s in the Z70 (**this is incorrect**)." First, thanks for watching my videos! Sadly that is a bit out of context from what I said. I did mention that I suspect Roborock might be transitioning to Starsight in the future, but only time will tell. I do not think one should choose the 10r just because of this system though. It does have it's advantages with object avoidance, but has some navigation bugs too. Here is what I said and I still feel this way today. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7DW-mx-TRs&t=752s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7DW-mx-TRs&t=752s) As it relates to which one should someone choose I would say get the one that works best for you. Both are good robots and each have their sets of pros and cons. I suspect the 10 was meant to be the flagship, but I am not positive. Jamie

Reviewers are rewarded to get videos out ASAP for views. First review out gets all the clicks. I was one of the last ones to release the video due to the units getting several firmware updates that changed their behavior. Vacuum Wars buys his units retail so his videos should reflect what a buyer would see. You mentioned that I chose the 10r over the 10. "but at the end he said he’d personally go for the 10R, purely because he believes Roborock is moving forward with **Starsight Navigation**, since it’s in the Z70 (**this is incorrect**)." First, thanks for watching my videos! Sadly that is a bit out of context from what I said. I did mention that I suspect Roborock might be transitioning to Starsight in the future, but only time will tell. I do not think one should choose the 10r just because of this system though. It does have it's advantages with object avoidance, but has some navigation bugs too. Here is what I said and I still feel this way today. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7DW-mx-TRs&t=752s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7DW-mx-TRs&t=752s) As it relates to which one should someone choose I would say get the one that works best for you. Both are good robots and each have their sets of pros and cons. I suspect the 10 was meant to be the flagship, but I am not positive. Jamie

The Roborock Saros 10R is what I use, it’s got a gap in the middle of the roller to prevent tangling of hair. Otherwise you’re having to constantly maintain it to prevent the hair from getting jammed everywhere. It also mops and self empty’s which is nice though the mopping is underwhelming. Works great for my 2 huskies.

I got mine today and have been impressed but have more tests to run. When I unboxed it this morning, there was a firmware update from 2.25.20 to 2.26.26. Now, just a few hours later, another firmware update launched 2.35.58. Seems like a big jump, so maybe it will fix a bunch of issues. I believe the object avoidance will surpass the turret style. Remember, this is the same system they are putting into their flagship bot.

Thank you for this comment, just got a 10 for $1700~ CAD. Looking forward to trying this, bought robovacs every 5 years since 2015. This is my third or fourth try, I hope I dont return this one. Even if it can keep my main floor clean, kitchen/living room. I would be so happy.

Pulled the trigger on the Saros 10r! Didn't realize I'd be this excited for a robot vacuum!

I have the Saros 10 and a Golden Retriever. The previous S7 would tangle up but the Saros 10 does not. I really like the cleaning result and it makes relatively little noise.

I have had excellent results with Roborock S8s and Saros 10R with Home Assistant. All of my Roborock app routines were fully integrated into Home Assistant as entities. Now I can run every aspect right from Home Assistant, and by extension, through Alexa using voice routines. This is fantastic! I have used other robovacs with home assistant, but I have never had them integrate so well! Since Roborock robovacs are the only thing I am qualified to talk about, I will make some suggestions. I, personally, would avoid automatically detangling roller brushes. They do detangle very well. But they do not clean as well, especially with lots of pet hair and on rugs and carpets. The dual roller systems take a few minutes to maintain, but they clean much, much better than the single split roller systems that auto detangle. Personally, I would seriously consider something along the lines of a Roborock Qrevo Master. It is a great compromise between dock automation and good vacuuming ability. It has the dual rollers systems for excellent vacuuming, a mostly automated dock, but it does make some compromises. It is a bit more than you want to spend. But it is an excellent system that offers a lot at a much lower price than other models.

You will be impressed with what a robovac can do. They cannot clean up a really big mess, but they can sure do a lot! I count on ours to handle 90-95% of our routine floor cleaning tasks. For everything they cannot do, I use a cordless stick vacuum and a cheap steam mop. I use the stick vacuum here and there because of cat hair and litter, but I doubt I use it more than about 10 minutes per week. I use the steam mop for about 10 minutes a month to go around the edges of rooms, and the edges of rugs, on our hard floors that the robot vacuum cleaners can't reliably hit. I also use the steam mop for the very occasional larger mess. You are very fortunate that you have hard floors. Almost any robovac will do at least a decent job vacuuming hard floors. Where they really face a challenge is with trampled in hair, dirt, dust and debris on carpets and rugs. Only a very few robovacs do a decent job under these conditions. Mopping will be a bigger issue for you. Everyone has their favorite robovac and no one can make this decision for you. Every robovac has strengths and weaknesses. No robovac is perfect, and no robovac will provide miracles no matter how fancy and expensive it is. Expectations need to be managed before one buys or one will end up disappointed and upset. The fanciest robovacs are not always the best for a specific purpose. We have a pair of Roborock S8 base models with charging docks only (US$350) and a very fancy Roborock Saros 10R (US$1500). The 10R is a mediocre vacuum cleaner on rugs and carpets, but it is an excellent mopping machine with a fully automated dock that does almost anything. The S8s are fantastic vacuum cleaners even though they only have 6000Pa of suction power. They get and keep our rugs, carpets and hard floors very clean three times per week, but I do have to spend about two minutes on each of them with maintainenance each time I use them. With two S8s each vacuuming half of our house, and the 10R doing all the mopping three times per week, our house is always clean and ready for visitors with minimal effort on my part. After all of that, I can easily make due without my Saros 10R. But, losing one of our S8s would be tragic!!! I hope this is helpful! I cannot provide answers, only lots of things to consider. Choose carefully! I will add that our two S8s end up cleaning much better and more thoroughly than either our Shark Professional or our Dyson upright vacuum cleaners do. But it took me quite a long time to figure out how to use them for their advantages and compensate for their weaknesses.

We have a pair of base model S8s ($350 each) with only charging docks, and a Saros 10R ($1500). I can easily live without my Saros 10R. Losing an S8 would be tragic! The 10R is very impressive and very automated in every area except vacuuming on rugs and carpets. It is a mediocre vacuum cleaner at best. It does not vacuum any better than a cheap Home Depot off-the-shelf model. The S8s are vacuuming monsters on rugs and carpets. Our house gets lots of foot traffic, there are people with long hair and two cats and a litter box. Everything gets trampled into the rugs and carpets. The S8s were life changers. The Saros 10R has become a very fancy and expensive mop. If you only have hard floors, almost anything will work and do a decent job. This gives you much more flexibility. I would recommend a compromise since you might end up with carpets. The Qrevo Master ($800) offers the spinning mops of more modern and fancier models. It has a very automated but not super automated dock that does most things but not all of them. More importantly, it keeps the dual roller vacuum module of the S8s for excellent vacuuming. The down side is that you will have to spend about two minutes doing some very easy maintenance on it occasionally. It also does not have the extending side mops and it isn't as slim at a Saros. I really wish I would have purchased a Qrevo Master over our Saros 10R. Our neighbor has one and it is fantastic. It would have served my needs much better than the Saros 10R and I could have saved $700. Expectations are the biggest issues new robovac owners have to overcome. For $1500 we want a miracle! No robovac can do everything, none of them are perfect, and there are no miracles. A $350 robovac will change your life completely. The extra $1150 will just get you a little bit more. But a fancier, automated robovac will not necessarily clean better. All robovacs can do is handle about 90% of your floor cleaning needs. They cannot do everything no matter how fancy and how expensive they are. But 90% is a lot and you will be amazed at the results! There is also a learning curve. One has to learn how to use them for their strengths and overcome their weaknesses. Because of all of this, I always suggest people start with a $350 model. They are truly amazing! Save the $1150 for the next robovac once more improvements have been made in a year or two and you know how to use one and what to expect. All robovacs, no matter how fancy and how expensive, are very primitive machines. They look and feel complex. But they just are not. Lastly, the only reason to consider the fancy new navigation systems is if there might be pet waste in your home. If a robovac cannot avoid this mess, it will become a disaster. Lidar navigation is really good. The fancier, newer systems are very slightly better at obstacle avoidance, but they are not perfect either. Lidar works great and is very, very reliable. Unless you have to worry about pet waste or similar messes, there is no reason to even consider a navigation system beyond lidar. There is no additional benefit. I hope this helps!

I use, repair and maintain all sorts of robot vacuum cleaners from many different manufacturers. I have owned only Roborocks, including the S7 that we wore out completely, and our current lineup including a pair of basic S8s (charging dock only, no fancy features) and a Saros 10R. I am very familiar with robovacs! I am of the opinion that the S8 vacuums rugs and carpets much, much better than any other robovac in my experience. Hard floors and mopping are basic and relatively easy, and most robovacs do a decent job with them. Our home has a lot of foot traffic, pets and people with long hair. My basic test for how well a robovac vacuums is to have one vacuum our three carpeted bedrooms on its maximum suction setting. When it is done, I send in one of our S8s to cover the same area using its maximum suction setting. Whichever robovac goes first should pick up more dust, dirt and hair, right? Our S8s consistently come back with four to five times the amount of debris than any other robovac I have ever sent in first, including our fancy new Saros 10R. I have even sent in one S8 first, followed by the second one. The first one will bring back a full dustbin. The second one will be almost empty. There are many other similar situations that I have observed but do not test regularly, so I cannot really use them as any kind of fair comparison, but, observationally, the S8 seems to very consistently out perform any other robovac when it comes to cleaning rugs and carpets. Obviously, there are many other areas that are important when it comes to robovacs, such as navigation, mopping etc. I am not looking at these areas at the moment. As a vacuum cleaner only, our S8s out perform our Saros 10R so significantly and consistently, that I really only use our Saros 10R to vacuum under stuff that the S8s do not fit under. Otherwise, the Saros 10R is a mopping machine in our home. I have even consulted Roborock customer service extensively in order to find ways to improve its vacuuming ability without success. I am curious if anyone else has made any meaningful comparison between the S8s vacuuming abilility and any other robovacs. It is my gold standard for rugs and carpets right now, and nothing else has been able to come anywhere close it it. With how quickly our home gets dirty and full of hair, I run our robovacs daily through our entire house. Especially our S8s have very high milage on them. Has anyone seen any kind of robovac that out performs the S8s vacuuming ability in any kind of meaningful real-world test?

I have not had a chance to try a Saros 10. But our Saros 10R has 20,000 Pa of suction compared to the 6,000 Pa of suction in the S8s. The S8s still vacuum carpets and rugs much, much better. I am not convinced that stronger suction necessarily means better vacuuming ability. I think the dual rollers brushes agitate carpets and rugs better than the single split roller on the Saros models leading to better dirt, dust and hair pickup.

I am completely unfamiliar with the model you are looking at. But I hope I can still help a little bit. Don't look at pascals at all. They are completely meaningless. The ability to create a vacuum doesn't help much. The important thing is airflow. That is what moves debris kicked up by the rollers through the vacuum channel into the dustbin. No one gives airflow information. If the robovac has a single split auto detangling roller, it has worse airflow than much older models with full length single or double rollers. This is only a generalization. I am not talking about specific models. And it is generally true for any robovac by any manufacturer. My personal example of this is that my older, charging base only $350 S8 with 6000Pa of suction power significantly outperforms my $1500 Saros 10R with 18500Pa of suction power when it comes to pure vacuuming capability. I live in the USA. I don't know what things cost in Europe. But I would consider a base model S7 or S8 with only a charging dock over significantly newer, fancier models if vacuuming cleaning ability is the only factor. They also mop well, but there are better mopping models out there. They just quickly sacrifice vacuuming ability. I hope this helps get you a little bit further!

Start compromising quickly. The "best robot vacuum cleaner" doesn't exist no matter what the reviews and marketing hype tell you. The manufacturers and reviewers test robot vacuum cleaners in about the same way. They sprinkle hair, cereal, coffee and other things loosely on various surfaces and have the test robot suck it up. This stuff is all superficial. A real test would be to let this stuff sit for days and get well trampled into rugs and carpets. Almost no one has a test like this. But this is what homes are like. The first thing someone shopping for a robovac desperately needs to do is manage expectations. No matter how fancy and expensive a robovac is, it isn't a miracle solution, it isn't perfect and it still requires maintenance. The chances that you will need customer service, repair or replacement are nowhere near zero. Even a $1500 robovac is a very primitive device made with lots of cheap, plastic, off-the-shelf parts made by other manufacturers. They may look fancy, but they are not. A robovac cannot do everything. They can handle about 90-95% of a person's floor cleaning needs, but there will still be stuff one has to do the old fashioned way. They will also not do everything well. And there will be maintenance, even with the fancy expensive models. The fancier a robovac is, the more stuff needs to be crammed into the same space. This means a sacrifice. People buy robovacs because of fancy features and high pascal suction power numbers. Not because of proven cleaning power. This is very important to realize. The fancier and more expensive a robovac is, the worse it vacuum cleans. This is common to all the big brands right now. All of them are significantly outperformed by older, simpler, cheaper models when it comes to vacuuming only. This does not apply in any other area. High pascal numbers are meaningless. This is just a measure of the device's ability to create a vacuum. It is not a measure of airflow through the device. Airflow is the really important factor that moves debris kicked up by the rollers through the vacuum channel into the dustbin. Our $350 charging dock only S8 has 6000Pa of suction power. Our $1500 Saros 10R has 18500Pa of suction power. The Saros 10R was such a disappointment as a vacuum cleaner that it has become a super fancy, very expensive mop, and we bought a second $350 S8 so that each of the two could vacuum half of our house. The cheap S8 is a vacuuming beast. The 10R sucks as a vacuum cleaner - pardon the pun. I would like to add that our Saros 10R is actually our second one. The first one failed after six weeks and Roborock replaced it with a new one. Both performed similarly. After all of that, I have to add that the Saros 10R is really impressive in every other way besides vacuuming. It is a terrible vacuum cleaner, but it is a great mop that can do other cool things too Were you to buy a good, inexpensive, simple, charging dock only S8 for $350, it would change your life! You will be amazed at how well it cleans. Spending an extra $1000+ will get you some more, but it really isn't much more. This means you are spending $1000+ to save yourself less than ten minutes of effort every week. And those $1000+ will get you worse vacuuming cleaning ability. For about every two hours of floor cleaning each of my S8s performs in our house, I have to spend about two minutes with each of them in order to maintain them. This is what an extra $1000+ will partially eliminate. The new, fancy robovacs do perform better at mopping than the older ones do. Auto mop cleaning and drying in the dock is fantastic. Only having to deal with filling a clean water tank and emptying a dirty water tank is also great - until they start to stink and you have a new problem to deal with. The auto floor cleaning solution dispenser is wonderful too. The bottom line for me is that I can easily live without our $1500 Saros 10R. It is a very cool luxury. But our two $350 S8s are an absolute necessity in our life and I would not select any $1000+ robovac over them made by any manufacturer. I repair robovacs as a side job and have worked on lots of them. I test all sorts of different robovacs in our home all the time. I hope this helps! Choosing one's first robovac is tough!

Your S8 is a vacuuming champ, especially using its higher suction settings. It is very hard to find a robovac that will outperform it on rugs and carpets. I am not aware of any that do so at this time. The 10R is very cool, but it is a very average vacuum cleaner at best. We have two charging dock only S8s and a 10R. The S8s vacuum clean much, much better than the 10R on rugs and carpets. Everything else about the 10R is fantastic. But as a vacuum cleaner is is about as good as a bargain brand cheap robovac. Almost any robovac can do an acceptable job vacuuming hard floors. If your S8 is not doing a good job vacuuming rugs and carpets using its higher suction settings, there is definitely something wrong with it. Have you kept up your maintenance and changed the rollers as recommended? Is it's dustbin empty when you start cleaning? Is your exhaust port clogged? Perhaps you need a new vacuuming blower. These are available on Amazon and are fairly easy to replace.

We have a 10R and a pair of base model, charging dock only S8s. Compared to our $350 S8s, our 10R sucks at vacuuming. It is so bad that I do all of our vacuuming with the S8s and only use the 10R as a mop. What you described with the air flow coming out of the exhaust vents is exactly what I experienced. The S8 moves a lot of air. The 10R feels much, much weaker. My standard robovac test is very simple. I have a test robovac vacuum our three carpeted bedrooms on its maximum vacuum suction setting. Immediately afterwards, I send in an S8 using its maximum vacuum settings. Then I compare the results in the dustbin. Whenever I do this with our 10R, I do find stuff in the dustbin, but there is never all that much. When the S8 goes through right afterwards, it's dustbin is completely full. The S8 that recleaned an already cleaned (by the 10R) room picks up five times as much stuff. I have tried this over and over again with the same results.

Pascal suction numbers are meaningless marketing hype. The ability to create a vacuum does not move debris into the dustbin, airflow does. The rollers kick up debris, and airflow moves it through the vacuum channel into the dustbin. No manufacturer provides information on airflow. If vacuuming ability is one of the most important features of a robovac for you, especially on rugs and carpets, avoid any models that use the modern and very popular split single auto detangling rollers. They do not kick up debris as well as the older style rubber solid single or double counter rotating rollers. And they do not provide good airflow like the older style rollers and vacuuming modules do. This is the case with all robovacs with split single auto detangling rollers made by any manufacturer. The more features that get added to a robovac, and the thinner it gets, the more sacrifices have to be made. What looses out is vacuuming ability. Our Saros 10R is an amazing machine, but it is a mediocre vacuum cleaner at best. Everything else about it is fantastic, and it mops well too! There are now two kinds of docks. There are ones that connect to your plumbing and ones that don't. They each only function in one way. You cannot use the kind of dock that connects to your plumbing without connecting it to your plumbing. And you cannot connect a standalone dock to your plumbing. If you want a very cool machine that mops well but sucks at vacuuming, get a Saros or other similar robovac from another manufacturer. Your friends will be impressed but your home will remain dirty. If you want a good robovac that vacuums very, very well, mops as well as the Saros 10R, but isn't quite as fancy (it is still pretty darn fancy!) and will require about two minutes of maintenance per week, check out a Qrevo Master. You will be very pleased with it and save at least $700. While you are shopping around, make sure you get at least one spare air filter for whatever model you choose. Use two of them in rotation. Every week, remove the dirty one from the robovac's dustbin and rinse it under hot tap water. Sometimes a small nylon brush with bristles that are not too stiff but also not too soft helps. Set your wet air filter aside to dry for at least 48 hours. Install a clean, completely dry air filter back into the dustbin, put the robovac on the ground and press the home button (it has a little house shaped symbol on it). Then the robovac will automatically return to its dock. The following week you reverse the two air filters again. I hope this helps! Good luck with your choice!

We have pets, people with long hair, and lots of hair in our house. Our charging dock only, base model $350 Roborock S8s with 6000Pa of suction power vacuum cleans much, much, much better than our $1500 Roborock Saros 10R with 18500Pa of suction power.

Lots and lots of hair can be a problem for any robovac. They are very small machines with very small dustbins. Anything with decent vacuuming ability will require more frequent maintenance. A Qrevo Master should do a great job, but there is the possibility it may not. For anything you choose in the end, I suggest you thoroughly vacuum your home with a good upright first, before you start using the robovac. From there, use your robovac often!!! I suggest at least every other day. Check you dustbin often before it gets emptied by the dock. If it is about 2/3rds or more full before the dock empties it, increase the emptying frequency so that the robovac returns to the dock more often for emptying. Also, make sure the suction in the dock is set to maximum when it empties the robovac dustbin. Any robovac with a self emptying dock has an extra tiny dustbin. Sometimes vacuuming huge amounts of hair can be achieved more successfully with something like a $350 base model, charging dock only S8. It's dustbin is much larger. This means you will have to empty it yourself. But the robovac will go much further before this is necessary. I use two basic S8s. Each vacuums half of my house. When they are done, I take them to my garbage can and empty the dustbin. Then I remove the rollers, pull of the ends and remove the wound up hair. I also use two air filters in rotation. The dirty one gets rinsed well under hot tap water and is set aside to dry for at least 48 hours. A clean, thoroughly dry one is put back into the dustbin and you are ready to roll. This should be done with any robovac weekly. It sounds like a lot, but it really isn't. It takes me a few minutes and it is very easy to do. For this effort, I get excellent vacuuming ability and I do not have to spend 90 minutes vacuuming our house. The most important thing for me is that I do not have to revacuum my house with an upright after the robovac is done. I hope this helps!

If you are interested in real world vacuuming performance, especially on rugs and carpets, don't trust these sites. I think the same is true for 90% of the review sites. Vacuuming a few household things like cereal and coffee sprinkled loosely on various surfaces cannot show anyone how well something vacuums. This stuff needs to get well trampled into the surface for three days first. These sites want to make a pretty video that will draw viewers and sell ads. They do not care how well your house gets cleaned once you buy your expensive robovac.

I just have a standard test for vacuuming ability after I complete a repair. Since every mopping technology works very well as long as it is done frequently, I don't bother to test this. Our little house has people with long hair, two cats, a litter box, and lots of heavy, dirty foot traffic. Everything gets well trampled in quickly. I have a test robovac vacuum our three carpeted bedrooms on its highest suction setting. When it has finished, I send one of our base model, charging dock only Roborock S8s through the same three rooms on its highest suction setting. Then I compare the results of the dustbins. The test robovac went first when the carpets were dirtiest because they had not been cleaned yet. Its dustbin should, in principle, be the fullest. The S8 should have less, right? So far, after hundreds of robovacs, nothing has beaten one of my S8s yet, and it only has 6000Pa of suction power. The S8s almost always come back with roughly 3-5 times more debris than the test robovac by weight or volume. I have even tried this same test in reverse. Then the S8 has a nice full dustbin, and the test robovac's dustbin, while not empty, has almost nothing in it. When I try this with one S8 followed by the second one, the first one has a full dustbin and the second one is almost empty. There are some that come much closer to my S8s than most. One is the S7. Other, older S series robovacs also do very well. Actually, many robovacs with about 2,000Pa or more of suction with dual counter rotating rollers do pretty well from many manufactures. What does not perform well is any robovac with any kind of auto detangling rollers combined with high suction numbers. Somewhere around 8,000-10,000Pa there is a noticable decline in vacuuming ability. By the time one hits 18,000-20,000Pa it becomes terrible. My test is not fancy. It is not scientific or carefully calculated or AI weighted. But it is extremely reliable. And, of course, my test only has to please me. I bought a Roborock Saros 10R because I was so impressed with our first $350 S8 when I got it. The Saros 10R is a terrible vacuum cleaner, especially on rugs and carpets. As a result, it only mops now and I got a second $350 S8 to split our vacuuming tasks. Personally, I only ever recommend any model of Roborock S8 purely for its vacuuming ability. But I dislike the mopping system. It does a great job mopping, but the mechanism in the dock used to clean the mops it too complicated and needs far too much maintenance. The only other thing I will recommend to people is a Roborock Qrevo Master because it has the rear spinners that the dock handles well with its very simple mechanism that is easy to maintain. Most importantly, it uses a vacuuming module that is almost identical to the ones used by the S8s. It has everything one needs for a clean house without all the modern nonsense and gimics that cost a lot but do not actually help get the house any cleaner. As for other robovacs, there are quite a few that I like. There are many that have some things that I like and others that I do not. I do have a strong preference for the lower end, basic models from expensive lines. My cheap S8s are a good example of this. But, so far, I don't feel strongly enough about any of them to recommend them. I see most of them simply as average. The fact that my favorites are Roborocks is unintentional. However, iRobots and Roborocks make up almost half of all of the different robovacs I get to work on. They are the ones I have the most experience with. This is only my opinion. I am fortunate that I only need to please myself. I hope this answers your question. I am not sure it does. Keep in mind that it takes a while before the latest models come to my door. I hope this helps!

Just keep in mind that pascal suction numbers are meaningless when it comes to vacuuming ability. Vacuum pressure is measured in pascals. A vacuum chamber can have super high vacuum pressure, but it can't move anything anywhere. What really counts is airflow. Airflow is what moves debris kicked up by the rollers into the dustbin. Robovacs are all made with the same, or very similar, very cheap plastic parts purchased from third party manufacturers. Robovac manufacturers just install the parts. Most robovacs, no matter who makes them, essentially have the same or similar parts in them. You can see this yourself by looking up parts for your favorite robovac on AliExpress. If the parts are about the same, there is only one remaining way to create the super high pascal numbers everyone wants to buy. And that is to restrict airflow. And that means poor vacuuming ability. About 5000Pa is about all one needs in a robovac for good vacuuming, as long as there is good airflow. Any robovac with 15,000-20,000+ Pa of suction power has had it's airflow severely restricted in our to produce these high pascal numbers that everyone thinks they want. The best example of this, that I can offer, is that our $350, base model, charging dock only Roborock S8 with 6,000Pa of suction power significantly outperforms our $1500 Roborock Saros 10R with 18,500Pa of suction power when it comes to vacuuming ability. Our S8 vacuums so well, and the Saros 10R vacuums so poorly, that I bought a second cheap S8. Now our S8s each vacuum half of our house in 45 minutes, and the Saros 10R mops in about 45 additional minutes. I don't use the Saros 10R to vacuum at all anymore except for under two dressers that the S8s do not fit under. Furthermore, our Saros 10R is actually our second one. The first one failed six weeks after we bought it and Roborock replaced it. It performed exactly like the first one with poor vacuuming ability. It does do a great job mopping! No robovac manufacturer publishes airflow information. I hope this helps!

I bought a $350 Roborock S8 base model (charging dock only) about a year ago. It vacuums fantastically! When the Saros models came out I was very excited and bought a $1500 10R. It is a terrible vacuum cleaner. It moves very little air through its system compared to our S8 even on it maximum suction setting. It does mop very well. Because of this, I bought a second $350 S8. Now each of the S8s vacuum half of our home and the Saros 10R has become a very fancy, expensive mop. I find this very disappointing! I think the Roborock Qrevo Master is the perfect hybrid between these two models. It has the same vacuuming module as the S8 with the same mopping system as the 10R. The dock is not fully automated, but it is still very automated. The only thing missing is the automatic floor cleaning solution tank. The Roborock Qrevo Master would have served my needs much better than the Saros 10R for half of the cost! With two of them, I could have vacuumed and mopped our entire house in about 50 minutes without needing to recharge any batteries halfway through the job.

Vacuum cleaning ability on rugs and carpets is the most important aspect of a robovac for me. I have a Saros 10R. It is a very mediocre vacuum clean no matter what settings are selected. I have other much cheaper robovacs that vacuum clean much better than the Saros 10R. If you need either fancy features, a fully automated dock and run the risk of having animal waste on the floor, I would consider a Saros 10 or 10R. They also excell at fitting under things because they are so thin. If vacuum cleaning rugs and carpets is of prime importance, I would stick with a Qrevo or S8. More specifically, I would stick with any model that has dual rubber rollers. One has to spend two minutes maintaining them after a large cleaning, but they do an excellent job. No amount of fancy, automated features, or a roller that automatically detangles hair, can make up for a mediocre vacuuming job on rugs and carpets. Avoid the split single rollers! Go for the dual rollers! If you only have hard floors without any rugs or carpets, almost and robovac will do a decent job and you have far more options! I hope this helps! I would much rather live without my Saros 10R (US$1500) than one of my S8s (US$350)!!!!!

Have you considered a Qrevo Master? I am not talking about any other Qrevo model. Just the Qrevo Master. The S8 line has significantly better vacuuming performance than any of the Saros models. Pascal numbers mean nothing. Airflow is what picks up particles kicked up by the rollers and moves them through the vacuum channel into the dustbin. The S8 line has much better airflow than any of the Saros models with much lower pascal numbers. They vacuum much, much better! The Qrevo Master keeps the S8 vacuuming module and adds the spinning mops with auto mop cleaning and drying in the dock. This is ideal in my opinion. The Qrevo Master dock is not as automated as the Saros docks, but it is still well automated. The biggest thing missing is the automatic floor cleaning solution tank. But, if you use the Roborock floor cleaning solution, this just means you need to add about 17ml of the solution to each full clean water tank manually. Robot vacuum cleaners mop just fine without any floor cleaning solution. Add the water to the tank first before adding the cleaning solution or it will foam up. The one thing that the Qrevo Master does not have is an extending edge mop to better clean along wall edges. If it had this, it would be perfect in my opinion. None of the S8 models have this either. Other than edge cleaning and an automatic cleaning solution tank, it is just about perfect in my opinion. It also costs slightly more than half as much as a Saros 10R, while providing far superior vacuum cleaning ability. It should be comfortably in your price range. The perfect robot vacuum cleaner does not exist. Compromises must be made. This is an excellent compromise in my opinion, and it saves a lot of money. I bought a Saros 10R. My neighbor bought a Qrevo Master. The Qrevo Master would have served my needs much better than the Saros 10R does now. I regret my choice. I hope this helps! Good luck!

I use a pair of base model, charging dock only, $350 S8s to do all of our vacuuming. They do an absolutely excellent job! We have a Saros 10R too. It is a terrible vacuum cleaner. I now only use it to mop. Otherwise it is very cool! But, who needs a vacuum cleaner that cannot vacuum well? The modern auto detangling rollers are great at auto detangling hair. But they are terrible for general purpose vacuum cleaning. They just do not kick up debris well. This applies equally to all manufacturers. The older style dual counter rotating rollers do a significantly better job at kicking up debris than the more modern and super popular auto detanglers. What a lot of nonsense we have all bought into! The pascal suction power numbers given in marketing material is all hype. It is completely meaningless. The ability to create a vacuum, measured in pascals, is easier when airflow is restricted. We wanted higher pascal numbers and all the manufacturers gave it to us! But, airflow is just what one needs to move debris kicked up by the rollers into the dustbin. The race towards super high pascal numbers has made a generation of terrible vacuum cleaners from all manufacturers. The auto detangling rollers make this situation even worse. Use your Saros as a mop. Get a cheap S8 or even an S7 for your vacuuming needs. You will be glad you did! If it is not too late to return your Saros, try a Qrevo Master instead. You will not get every bell and whistle you got with your Saros, but you will get the vacuuming ability of an S8 with the mopping ability of your Saros. The Qrevo Master is the only robovac of this kind in the entire Qrevo line. I hope this is helpful!

The reviewers almost always do the exact same thing as the manufacturers do for testing robovacs. They sprinkle cereal, coffee ground and other household powery stuff on various surfaces very loosely and gently. This is fast and easy to do, and makes a good video. But this is not a real world test. In the real world, this stuff gets well trampled into rugs, carpets and other flooring for several days before getting cleaned up. Vacuum Wars is very popular, but I lack faith in their testing procedure. Once again, suction power is absolutely meaningless. Our Roborock S8s have 6000Pa of suction power and our Roborock Saros 10R has 18500Pa of suction power. Our S8s so significantly outperform our Saros 10R when it comes to vacuuming, we only use the Saros 10R for mopping anymore. In this case, $350 S8s just vacuum clean much, much better than a $1500 Saros 10R. The higher the pascal suction power, the worse the airflow. These robovacs all use the same fan motors. The only way to increase suction power or vacuum pressure is to restrict the airflow. Only airflow will moves debris kicked up by the rollers into the dustbin, not the ability to create a vacuum. A vacuum chamber can have very high pascal vacuum pressure. But it does not clean floors. The market demands high vacuum pressure right now and manufacturers are delivering it at the cost of good vacuuming ability. I hope this is helpful!

If these other brands have auto detangling rollers, then they tend to have poor vacuuming ability. Most of the stuff I have already written in previous comments apply to all models and manufacturers. They all have terrible airflow but high vacuum pressure. Airflow is what makes the difference between a good and bad vacuum cleaner. However, some of these other brands do have very interesting mopping features. Some of the Eufys vacuum pretty well, but I find their older models without auto detangling rollers work better for me. I was disappointed by some of the Dreame robovacs just as I was with much of the Qrevo line and both Saros models when it comes to vacuuming. But the X50's ability to climb thresholds is very impressive. I have not yet had the opportunity to work on a Mova so I cannot tell you anything about them. Essentially, in the end, all models from all of manufacturers are about the same. They all use either the same or very similar off-the-shelf internal parts made by third party vendors. If you look up these parts on AliExpress, they are super cheap. Most of them seem of very low quality, but they do seem to work reasonably well. Robovacs are very simple, very primitive machines with very limiting electronics, little memory and just barely enough computing power to get the job done. No matter how fancy and expensive a robovac is, you cannot expect miracles, it will absolutely not be perfect, and you will have to compromise!!! The "best" robovac is an interesting concept, but I do not think it exists at any price!!! No matter who the manufacture a robovac, the repair rates on robovacs must be very, very high. But this is an entirely new topic. I sure seem to repair a lot of them! Because everything is so similar across the industry, there are only two robovacs I feel comfortable recommending at all. These are the Roborock S8 as an inexpensive, charging dock only model, and a Roborock Qrevo Master for a fancier model. Both are excellent cleaning machines. This does not mean other models are necessarily bad. It is just that nothing about them stands out to me that is worthy of a recommendation at the price at which they are offered. I just lump them into the category of just another variation of the same old thing. Good luck!

I understand the draw of a cheaper robovac! They are expensive! I have a Saros 10R that I bought for $1500. I regret this purchase very much because a Qrevo Master would have met my needs much better. Unfortunately, I waited too long to return our Saros 10R. The Saros 10R and the Qrevo Curv do not have exactly the same vacuuming module because the Saros 10R is very thin. But the modules are still quite similar and both use the same auto detangling split single roller. I need a vacuum cleaner that vacuum cleans well!!! This is my primary requirement in any robovac. All the other stuff if a bonus. Personally, I don't want a Curv. But it may very well be the right choice for you. I can't make this decision and I do not know your requirements. Robovacs are all made with very cheap, off-the-shelf internal parts. Usually, these parts work well. Most robovacs from all manufacturers use either the same or very similar internal parts. The good side of this situation is that these parts are inexpensive and easily available. The bad side is that they fail often enough for me to want a warranty. This applies to all models by all manufacturers.

Yes, laminate is not real wood, and I can mop as often as I want. It is very different than hardwood floors. The ability to follow floor directions came within the last two generations of robovacs. Both my Roborock S8s and my Saros 10R have this setting. Other robovacs from other manufacturers also have this setting. Not all do, but it is no longer uncommon.

I much prefer very specifically selected charging dock only robovacs for vacuuming. They do a better job than any $1500 model from any manufacturer specifically in the area of vacuuming. The two minutes it takes me to maintain my rollers and empty the dustbin with a good dual counter rotating roller system just plain vacuums better with 5000-6000Pa of suction power. All the high pascal suction numbers nonsense is just marketing hype. What a good vacuum cleaner needs is good rollers and great airflow. Auto detangling rollers by any manufacturer do not kick up debris as well as the slightly older style dual counter rotating rollers. Robovacs almost always use either the same, or very similar, internal parts. The same vacuum fan can be found in models with 2000Pa or 20,000Pa of suction power. The only remaining way to create 20,000Pa of suction power, or vacuum pressure, is to restrict airflow. One cannot maintain a vacuum with good airflow. And airflow is exactly what is needed for good vacuuming ability! I use a pair of $350 charging dock only Roborock S8s for all of my vacuuming. After I got the first one, I got a Roborock Saros 10R because my first S8 was so impressive. The Saros 10R mops very well, and the fancy automated dock is pretty cool. But the vacuuming ability of the $1500 Saros 10R was so poor compared to my S8s, the I only use the Saros 10R for mopping. I got a second S8, and now each of them vacuums half of my house. The Saros 10R follows this up with mopping. This works very, very well! However, the S8s mop just as well as the Saros 10R. After mopping with the S8s, I just remove the mop pads and throw them in the washer with any load of laundry. This gets the pads cleaner than any dock can manage. I just have a pile of clean mop pads to reinstall on the robovac every time I need to mop. I can easily live without my Roborock Saros 10R. Loosing one of my S8s would be traumatic! In my opinion, two cheap robovacs that vacuum and mop well beat any $1500 robovac. My house is much cleaner than with any $1500 model, and I never have to wait for a robovac to recharge halfway through their cleaning job. Additionally, two cheap robovacs that work well cost less than half of one fancy robovac. To sum up all this nonsense, I completely agree with you! I'll take a second cheap model over a dock any day!

I would love it if you expended on this a bit. I am no Home Assistant expert and struggle forever to make things work, but eventually they do. After I tried the Matter integration for my Roborock Saros 10R about two weeks ago, I found it essentially useless and went back to the regular Roborock integration. I would appreciate any insight I can get!

With the conventional Roborock integration for Home Assistant, I can do anything. I can see the maps and the robovac's position on the map within Home Assistant. I can actually do more in Home Assistant than I can in the app because everything the app uses is accessible and can be adapted on the fly. I can even use all the sensor statuses in my automations and scripts. For instance, I can send my Saros 10R off to clean under two dressers none of my other robovacs fit under, when it is done and has returned to the dock to empty it's dustbin, I can use the dustbin emptying sensor to trigger my two S8s to each vacuum half of my house simultaneously. I also use this same trigger to send my Saros 10R to vacuum my garage floor after the smart door opener opens the hallway door into the garage. When the Saros 10R starts cleaning, the hallway door closes again. When the Saros 10R's status changes to returning to the dock, the hallway door opens and closes again. When I detect that each of the three robovacs has returned to their docks and has been charging for at least 30 seconds, I can trigger the Saros 10R to mop the house. Sorry about the messy description, but this whole thing is amazing to watch. It was really challenging to learn how to piece it all together.

I have repaired several S5s, but I have never tried my very simple vacuuming test with them. I should have! It is bad to make assumptions! All I can tell you is that my two S8s vacuum fantastically well, especially on rugs and carpets. They are my benchmarks for testing other robovacs. I have a newly repaired robovac vacuum our three carpeted bedrooms on its highest setting. When it is done, I do the same thing with one of our S8s right afterwards. The S8s always come back with far more in their dustbins than any robovac I send in first. I have even tried this in reverse. The S8s come back with full dustbins and the newly repaired robovac comes back almost empty. I did buy a very expensive, very fancy Roborock Saros 10R. This was a terrible mistake. The S8s just vacuum better. Now the Saros 10R just mops. I hope you find something that meets your needs! Sorry I couldn't help!

Get a basic, charging dock only Roborock S8 for $350. It is a really fantastic vacuum cleaner that can also mop if you choose to use this feature. But you can remove the mop plate entirely if you don't want to use it. It also navigates well and has an excellent app. You will still have to maintain your rollers, but probably far less frequently than you have been with your old one. It takes me about two minutes per week total.it is very easy! I got a basic, charging dock only $350 S8 and absolutely love it. Then I bought into the marketing hype and bought a $1500 Roborock Saros 10R. It is super cool, but it is a poor vacuum cleaner in comparison to the S8. As a result, the 10R has become a very fancy, expensive mop, and I bought a second $350 S8 in order to split the vacuuming tasks in our home between them. This setup is fantastic! I love our S8s!!! I will add a quick tip. Get at least one spare air filter for any robovac you buy. Use two of them in rotation. When one gets dirty, put another clean, thoroughly dry air filter into the dustbin. Rinse the dirty one under hot tap water thoroughly from both sides. Set it aside to dry for at least 48 hours before reusing it.

The Alexa stuff you requested is also possible. However, you cannot do it directly through Alexa. Right now, no manufacturer allows this. I use Home Assistant and use Alexa as a voice command front end. Through the Roborock integration in Home Assistant, I can expose any of my Roborock routines to Alexa. In the Alexa app, these show up as scenes. From here, I can create voice commands to run each of my routines just like with any device. My three robovacs are named S81, S82 and 10R. Some examples of voice commands I have created for Alexa are as follows: Alexa, vacuum the hallway with s eighty one Alexa, vacuum the back rooms with s eighty two Alexa, vacuum the living room with s eighty one Alexa, mop the house with ten r Alexa, mop the kitchen with ten r Using Home Assistant, I have also created an automation that I can also expose to Alexa as a scene. When I say, "Alexa, clean the house," this triggers the Home Assistant automation to run all three of the robovacs simultaneously while avoiding traffic jams in constricted areas. This will first vacuum our entire house, and then it will mop all of our hard floors. It is fascinating to watch! However, none of this is possible using only the Alexa system. It is only possible through the use of Home Assistant. Please note that Home Assistant is extremely powerful and very complex - far more so than any other smart home system!!! It is very difficult and time consuming to learn how to use it. No other system currently available can do what Home Assistant makes possible. I hope all of this is helpful!

Nothing, no matter how fancy or how expensive, will avoid cat vomit. Unlike other pet waste, it is simply too small for anything to see. No robovac is perfect or anywhere near perfect!!! No robovac has perfect obstacle avoidance. The best one can hope for is that it will avoid obstacles most of the time. Otherwise, both have very good obstacle avoidance, but the Saros 10R is better in this area. The Saros 10R is better in every single way except for vacuuming ability on rugs and carpets. But I cannot recommend the mopping system on the S8 - it takes too much maintenance. All I can say to clarify this is that I use a pair of $350, charging dock only, base model S8s for all of our vacuuming. When that is done, our Saros 10R does all the mopping. I was so impressed with our first S8 that I bought the Saros 10R. It is really impressive, but it is a terrible vacuum cleaner on rugs and carpets. So I bought another S8 to share the load with our first one. Currently, you cannot find a robovac from any manufacturer with better or even comparable vacuuming ability to an S8 on rugs and carpets. Hard floors are easy and almost all robovacs do a decent job. For everything else, the Saros 10R is the champion. The only thing I do not like about the S8 is the mechanism required to clean the mops in the dock. It is too complicated and requires too much maintenance. It does mop well. Otherwise, you will be extremely pleased with an S8. It is an excellent, reliable, workhorse of a machine! The dock maintenance is not too terrible to do and one doesn't have to do it often, but about once per month, it must be done! There are just better, easier systems available like spinning mops. I can easily live without our Saros 10R. Loosing an S8 would be tragic! But I no longer use ours to mop. I hope this helps!

I repair robovacs as a side job and see lots of different models. Unfortunately, these are mostly higher end models over a year old after their warranties expire, mainly because cheaper robovacs are not worth bringing to a guy like me to repair. It is unusual for me to see the lastest robovac models until at least a year after they come out. Since almost all robovacs do at least a decent job on hard floors, I don't bother testing this. And my tests are very primitive compared to your very extensive ones. Since our house gets very dirty very quickly, my standard post repair test is to send a test robovac through our three carpeted bedrooms on its highest suction setting. Once the test robovac is done, I send in one of our own S8s on its highest suction setting immediately afterwards, when the carpets should already be clean. Then I compare the results of the contents of the two dustbins. These results are always the same, but interesting nevertheless. The S8 that went second almost always has four to five times as much hair and debris in it's dustbin than the test robovac. I have never tested a robovac that came back with more debris than my S8s. Just to ensure that the S8s don't have some kind of weird, unexpected advantage by going second, I have also tried sending in one S8 followed by our second S8. In this situation, the first one has a nice, full dustbin and the second one is almost empty. The only robovacs that come anywhere near the performance of our S8s are the S7s and robovacs that are essentially similar in design with solid, single, rubber rollers. I have checked my notes, and it seems I have never repaired a Q5 or Q5+. I have repaired several Roomba S9s, but this was before I started performing this particular post surgery test. Both of our S8s are baseline, charging dock only models. We have a Saros 10R, but it is a terrible vacuum cleaner on rugs and carpets. It does mop well. I have never seen any robovac with auto detangling rollers and pascal vacuum pressure higher than about 10,000Pa vacuum well on rugs and carpets. The ones that seem to do the best usually create 6,000Pa of vacuum pressure or less, and have solid rubber rollers. My dream robovac is a Saros 10R with an S8 vacuuming module that vacuums at least as well as one of our $350 S8s. I do not mind roller maintenance at all as long as the machine vacuums very well. I don't think anyone is ever going to build the robovac I want, and this has me considering buying another $350 S8 as a spare for when I can no longer repair the ones I have. It currently seems pointless to me to replace our two aging, high milage S8s with anything, but I would certainly like to do so. Thank you for the information! I really appreciate it! I will dive back into it again now. I had one afterthought. Your test results with the 10R really surprise me! I have had two 10Rs because the dock on the first one failed after six weeks and was replaced under warranty. Both performed the same. Both 10Rs vacuumed very poorly on any surface compared to my two S8s. They do ok on hard floors, but they are just terrible on any rug or carpet and leave a lot of clearly visible debris behind, even after several passes on their highest suction setting. I wonder if this is because our floors constantly get trampled on by lots of people in heavy boots and the debris gets ground into the flooring. Your tests seem to indicate that a 10R would make a decent choice for me. I do not know what to make of this.

No robovac is perfect at anything. Even if you get the best obstacle avoidance system in a robovac that is currently available, it will not avoid pet waste 100% of the time. If this is your primary mission, you need to look somewhere else entirely. The Z70 is very cool. But its arm does not function well and it vacuums very poorly. It may impress your friends, but it will not really clean your home. The 10R will usually avoid pet waste but not always. Estimate a 75% chance of success, because if it doesn't succeed everytime the actual percentage really doesn't matter. It is a mediocre vacuum cleaner, especially on rugs and carpets. It does mop well if the floors have been vacuumed thoroughly first. I prefer doing so with a different vacuum cleaner. Why don't you list your priorities from most important to least. Think about what problems you want to solve. From here, people will be better able to address your issues. I hope this helps!

There is no best robovac. There are no miracle machines. They all have strengths and significant weaknesses. How well we learn to use their strengths to our advantage and overcome their weaknesses plays an important part in our success with any robovac. But, we all still want and love them! All robovacs, no matter how fancy and expensive, are made with cheap plastic parts. They are not built to be durable at all. They have just enough computing power and memory to get the job done. This applies to all manufacturers. A $1500 robovac only has $150 worth of cheap parts in it, just like our cell phones. They can only do 90-95% of the floor cleaning job. The rest is always up to us. All robovacs with auto detangling rollers and over about 10KPa of suction power vacuum poorly, especially on rugs and carpets, compared to the previous two generations of robovacs. But they do navigate, avoid obstacles, auto detangle hair, and mop very well. What this means is that the more convenient and maintenance free a robovac is, the poorer it vacuums. This is the current reality of the industry. We have collectively selected convenience and laziness over performance, and the market has responded accordingly. It would be very helpful if you describe your needs a bit more. Do you have hard floors, rugs, carpets, tall thresholds, multiple floors, pets and people with long hair, etc. This would be very helpful in making a recommendation that may address your specific needs. Since you specifically mention mopping ability as important to you I will mention that good mopping depends almost entirely on good vacuuming ability. If your floors have been thoroughly vacuumed first, all current mopping systems work well if floors are vacuumed first and then mopped very often. Most current mopping systems do not pick anything up from the floor. They just wipe the surface with a damp pad. Mopping with any robovac is more like adding a shine and finish rather than a deep cleaning. No robovac is good at big messes yet, and they are usually best cleaned up ourselves. One thing of note is that since all mopping sustems perform well and are dependant on good vacuuming, how the mops are cleaned becomes the biggest factor. Spinning mops require a very simple, easy to maintain and low maintenance mechanism that is very effective to clean the mops. Both vibrating pads and roller mop systems require more complicated mechanisms. I don't like the ones for vibrating pads. They require the most maintenance. Roller mops are the way of the future. In a year or two, all robovacs will use roller mops or something similar in my opinion. But current roller mop systems have not convinced me yet. For the time being, I prefer spinning mops. Just keep in mind, that if your priority is vacuuming ability, like mine is, you need to look back at older, simpler robovacs that require a bit more weekly maintenance. It is not all that time consuming or difficult, but it does have to get done. This is the cost of good vacuuming performance, and ultimately leads to good mopping performance. I use a pair of $350, base model, charging dock only Roborock S8s for all of my vacuuming. Each one does half of our house. I do this because they vacuum very, very well, especially on rugs and carpets. I also have a Roborock Saros 10R. It is very impressive in so many ways, and it mops very well. But it is a terrible vacuum cleaner compared to my S8s. I only use it to vacuum our garage floor because I don't care about it as much as the rest of the house. Otherwise, it is a very fancy, very expensive mop. The reasons it vacuums so poorly are described above. I hope this helps!

Any robovac with spinning mops, including the Saros 10R, uses a very simple mechanism in the dock to clean the mops. Usually, this mechanism comes out as a single tray that easily comes apart into three pieces. About every four to six weeks, depending on use, you have to remove this tray, take it apart and rinse these parts under hot tap water. A tiny bit of brushing helps, but is often not necessary. This is a quick and easy task. The robovac will tell you when this task is due. Because of the automatic mop drying, nothing in the base of the dock, including the mops, stays wet. Therefore, it would take very extreme conditions for bacteria and mold to grow. I have not seen any evidence of this yet. Maintaining the mops and dock has been very, very easy for me and no problems have arisen at all. The Saros 10 uses a vibrating pad which requires a much more complicated mechanism that presents different challenges. Other will have to tell you more about it because, while I have seen them, I have no long term experience with them. What I can tell you is that you will be very disappointed in the vacuuming performance of either model compared to that of your S7, especially on rugs and carpets. Any model of robovac with auto detangling rollers made by any manufacturer will not vacuum nearly as well as your S7. When it comes to vacuuming performance, the newest generation of robovacs vacuum much worse than the previous two or more generations of their predecessors. We consumers have selected convenience and laziness over vacuuming performance and the market has delivered exactly what we asked for. Sorry for the bad news! I hope this is helpful!

It isn't just an issue of suction power. A split single auto detangling roller does not kick up debris from surfaces as well as dual, solid rubber, counter rotating rollers. They do ok on hard floors. Personally, I am going to wait and see how well the Mova V50 performs. It is a brand new model so I do not trust it yet. By October we should have a pretty good idea how well it performs. The Mova V50 has managed to keep solid rubber rollers and add a detangling mechanism to them. This has a lot of promise. It is also significantly cheaper than the Saros models. I hope a 10R does well for you!

Any robovac with spinning mops, including the Saros 10R, uses a very simple mechanism in the dock to clean the mops. Usually, this mechanism comes out as a single tray that easily comes apart into three pieces. About every four to six weeks, depending on use, you have to remove this tray, take it apart and rinse these parts under hot tap water. A tiny bit of brushing helps, but is often not necessary. This is a quick and easy task. The robovac will tell you when this task is due. Because of the automatic mop drying, nothing in the base of the dock, including the mops, stays wet. Therefore, it would take very extreme conditions for bacteria and mold to grow. I have not seen any evidence of this yet. Maintaining the mops and dock has been very, very easy for me and no problems have arisen at all. The Saros 10 uses a vibrating pad which requires a much more complicated mechanism that presents different challenges. Other will have to tell you more about it because, while I have seen them, I have no long term experience with them. What I can tell you is that you will be very disappointed in the vacuuming performance of either model compared to that of your S7, especially on rugs and carpets. Any model of robovac with auto detangling rollers made by any manufacturer will not vacuum nearly as well as your S7. When it comes to vacuuming performance, the newest generation of robovacs vacuum much worse than the previous two or more generations of their predecessors. We consumers have selected convenience and laziness over vacuuming performance and the market has delivered exactly what we asked for. Sorry for the bad news! I hope this is helpful!

Coming from an S7, which vacuums very well, you will be disappointed with the vacuuming performance of any newer robovac from any manufacturer with auto detangling rollers. This includes that Saros 10R. Auto detangling rollers are great at auto detangeling hair, but they are terrible for vacuuming on rugs and carpets. They do better on hard floors. I bought a charging dock only, $350 S8 and was so amazed at its performance that I bought a Saros10R. I was so unimpressed with the Saros 10R's vacuuming ability after our S8 that I bought a second $350 S8. Now our S8s each vacuum half of our house. I only use the Saros 10R to vacuum our garage floor and under a pair of dressers that the S8s do not fit under. It has become increasingly dirty under these dressers, because they are on rugs, even though they get vacuumed three times per week. Otherwise, the Saror 10R is a very fancy, very expensive mop that follows up after the S8s get done. The Saros 10R is very impressive in all areas except for vacuuming. For me it was a very expensive mistake. I am not singling out Roborock here. This applies equally to all manufacturers. With the current state of the robovac industry, you have a choice between convenience and low maintenance with poor vacuuming ability, or you can select good vacuuming ability with more maintenance. There are no other options. If there were, I would have bought one by now. Personally, although I am a Roborock fan, I am going to see how the new Mova V50 plays out over the coming months. If it proves to vacuum well and is reliable, it may very well be my next robovac. Right now it is far too new to trust. In October, I am going to revisit it and make a decision. I hope this helps!

I feel the same way about my S8s. That is why I bought our Saros 10R. That was a $1500 mistake for me! Low maintenance - yes, clean house - not by a long shot! I hope you find something that works well for you!

Long or high pile carpets are a problem. We all end up having to adapt our homes to a robovac rather than the other way around. The only alternative is cleaning our floors ourselves. Sorry! The only thing I can recommend is to try a $350 charging dock only, basic Roborock S8 or S8+. It is the last remaining rug and carpet king. All of the newer models with auto detangling rollers perform much, much worse on carpets. All of the others that did do well have been discontinued in favor of laziness, convenience and automation. If an S8 can't do the job well, it is likely nothing else can. I will not recommend a fancier S8 because of the mechanism required by the docks to clean the mop. It is too complicated and requires too much maintenance. I still use a pair of these $350 S8s to vacuum our entire house with medium pile carpets and several large rugs. They do an excellent job and they have very good navigation and obstacle avoidance. Our $1500 Roborock Saros 10R does a terrible job. So, it does all the mopping instead. Since I keep getting reminded about this, I will mention that the Dyson robovac also does an excellent job vacuuming rugs and carpets. But otherwise it is terrible. I cannot recommend it at all. Good luck! I hope this helps!

Any Roborock with spinning mops and an automated dock will provide a wonderful mopping upgrade. An S8 would be great for vacuuming your rugs and carpets, but the mechanism used in the dock to clean the mops requires maintenance or it will clog with debris and gunk. The vibrating pads do mop well. However, due to the maintenance required, I cannot recommend anything with this mopping system since the spinning mops came out. I also cannot recommend anything with auto detangling rollers because your S5 is no vacuuming slouch. Anything with auto detangling rollers will not vacuum rugs and carpets as nearly as well as your S5. You will be disappointed with the results. This doesn't leave me with much to recommend. Since I am in the same boat and have been looking around myself, I put high hopes in the new Mova V50. Everything about it seems great, just like the Saros 10R I bought earlier this year. It was a complete disappointment in the vacuum department. Everything else is great! I just don't need another terrible vacuum cleaner. It now serves only to mop. I have read many accounts of poor vacuuming ability from the Mova V50, so now I don't know where to turn. Personally I am disappointed in the entire industry in the vacuuming department right now. I hope in six months manufacturers will remember that we care about vacuuming ability just as much as convenience and they will start to produce robovacs that can vacuum rugs and carpets properly again. Sorry! I wish I could help you more! Good luck!

Please excuse me for copying and pasting from another comment I typed out earlier today. I cannot type this all out again today. I hope you find it useful! Robomopping is fairly easy, so I will get back to that later. Excellent vacuuming ability is the biggest challenge. Everyone wants auto detangling rollers nowadays. Auto detangling rollers work great for auto detangling hair. And they require almost no maintenance. But if one wants excellent vacuuming ability,  one should avoid them. Dual counter rotating solid rubber rollers kick up debris much, much better than the auto detangling rollers do. These are usually found on the previous generation of robovacs rather than the newest models. The market demands auto detangling rollers and the manufacturers deliver what people want. Everyone is looking for astronomical pascal suction numbers thinking this will make their robovac vacuum better. Vacuum pressure is measured in pascals, and this is what these numbers refer to. A vacuum chamber can have super high vacuum pressure, but it will never move any debris anywhere. Vacuum pressure helps a little bit, but it is actually airflow that moves debris kicked up by the rollers into the dustbin. In order to vacuum well, a vacuum cleaner needs excellent airflow.  No manufacturer gives any information about airflow at all because all of their latest models and flagships would look terrible to buyers. This is because the easiest way to deliver the super high pascal suction numbers the market currently demands is to restrict airflow. Here, the link between high pascal numbers and low airflow suddenly becomes very clear.  Robovacs all use either the same or very similar internal parts. These parts are all very cheap, off-the-shelf parts made by third party manufacturers. You can see this yourself by searching for parts for your favorite robovac on AliExpress. Robovac manufacturers buy these parts and install them in their products. It is surprising how cheap the parts are in very expensive robovacs! If they are all using the same or similar parts, there is only one remaining way to increase vacuum pressure - decrease airflow. The result is decreased vacuuming ability. Robovacs with dual counter rotating rollers and good airflow vacuum much much better than any newer model currently available. This comes at a cost.  Better vacuuming ability requires two minutes of weekly maintenance that the newer models with poor vacuuming ability will spare you. You have to remove the rollers, pull off their ends, and remove the wound up hair that collects around them. If you want excellent vacuuming ability,  these two minutes of maintenace are required. All of the above applies to all robovac manufacturers equally. My favorite robovacs for vacuuming ability are any of the models in the Roborock S8 line. Every one of these vacuums very, very well. I have a pair of $350 base model, charging dock only S8s with 6000Pa of suction power. They both so significantly outperform our $1500 Saros 10R with 18500Pa of suction power in vacuuming ability, that I now only use our Saros 10R as a mop while the two S8s each vacuum half of our house. Any model of Roborock S8 has good dual counter rotating rollers and good airflow.  However, I do not like the mopping system on the S8s although they do mop very well. And this brings me to the topic of mopping. Rollers, vibrating pads and spinning mops all mop very well. While rollers probably do clean better, If one mops often, the difference is negligible as long as the floors have been thoroughly vacuumed first. Rollers need maintenance at least weekly or they will clog with hair, debris and gunk. This is not always easy depending on the model. Vibrating pads require complicated mechanisms in the dock for cleaning. These can get filled with hair and gunk and also require significant maintenance. For a robovac without a dock, they are great because the pads can just be thrown into the washer for easy cleaning. My favorite option is spinning mops, because the dock mechanism is simple and effective. About once per month, the mopping tray needs to be removed and separated into its three parts. These parts need to be rinsed in the sink and reinstalled. This process is quick and easy. This brings me to my best option for a recommendation. This is the Roborock Qrevo Master. It is the only model that combines the S8 vacuuming module with rear spinning mops. It has dual counter rotating rollers that do require about two minutes of easy maintenance once per week. It uses the rear spinning mops that its dock can clean and dry well without much maintenance, and it has a nicely automated dock. However, the dock is not as extensively automated as many newer, fancier models. But it has everything one needs. It is a very nice dock! The Qrevo Master has everything necessary for a thoroughly cleaned home. It skips all the gimics which will impress your friends and cost a lot, but will not get your home any cleaner. A robovac's primary function is vacuum cleaning. If it cannot vacuum clean very well, it is not useful to me. For this reason, I only ever recommend any model of S8 and the Qrevo Master. My personal choice is the Qrevo Master. Our Saros 10R was a very fancy, very expensive mistake. A Qrevo Master, which costs almost half as much as the Saros 10R would have served my needs much better! I hope this is helpful!

I have the S8 pro ultra and am about to upgrade to the 10r. I'd say go for the 10r!

I used to think the same - can I really spend $2k on vacuum?? A few years later I can tell you I have zero regrets and am actually about to upgrade from the S8 MaxUltra to the saros 10r!

I've had the s8 pro ultra with the single mop pad and now have the saros 10r with the rotating dual mop pads. The dual mop pads are superior imo. Both on your list have the duo divide brush which tangles less but sacrifice vacuum performance. Honestly, if I was in your boat, I would maybe go for the Qrevo master. You get the original vacuum brushes and the dual rotating mop pads and it's on mega sale right now.

The Saros 10 has the same duo divide brush as the 10R. The mop pads are different. I don't think you will see better vacuum performance. I came from an S8 to a 10r and vacuum performance declined. It seems the machines with the original dual brushes get better suction than the duo divide. I think there is a compromise with either. Duo divide - no tangles, less suction Dual brushes- better suction, tangles

The Saros 10 has the same duo divide brush as the 10R. The mop pads are different. I don't think you will see better vacuum performance. I came from an S8 to a 10r and vacuum performance declined. It seems the machines with the original dual brushes get better suction than the duo divide. I think there is a compromise with either. Duo divide - no tangles, less suction Dual brushes- better suction, tangles

S8 I had to take tangles out weekly. Very little to no tangling with the 10R

I feel your pain. Roborock is surely having some growing pains. They really need to simplify their offerings. The first time I bought a Roborock they had maybe 3 - fast forward a few short years later and the models have exploded and not in a good way. I absolutely adored my S8 Pro Ultra when I got it. It was light years ahead of anything I have ever tried. I told everyone who would listen how much I loved it. I upgraded to the Saros 10r and honestly I'm a bit underwhelmed. I'm just not seeing it as much of an "upgrade" as I expected from all the hype. Don't get me wrong it's amazing tech, but a bit overhyped if you're coming from a previous Roborock model. And it's so darn slow....but it cleans pretty darn well for my needs and is quieter than the S8 so I'm adjusting. The S8 vacuum was better and the saros mop is better. For good vacuum performance get a model with the original dual brushes. Hair gets trapped on the ends and you have to remove it weekly but it's easy. The newer duo divide brush doesn't tangle hair but it sacrifices vacuum performance - it's missed stuff the other brushes didn't. Mop- highly recommend the dual spinning mops. Impressive how much better it is over the single mop pad. If you don't pick up your stuff (toys, socks, etc) get a newer model with better obstacle avoidance. Those 3 things and you will have a great product (get the extended warranty). I would pass on the Saros z70, they had to sacrifice a lot for that arm and it doesn't do all that much.

I went from an S8 Pro Ultra to a 10R 2 months ago and the dock is a major upgrade. The mop pads wash themselves with hot water and I have only rinsed the tray out weekly but really haven't needed to. I also wipe the opening of the vacuum bc it's gets dusty. That's really it for the dock. The bag is in a separate compartment - haven't had to change it yet. The vacuum itself - the duo divide brushes don't get hair trapped like the older model. I wipe the sensors weekly. So far it's been super easy to maintain and I am very impressed with how clean it is. I have cats and hair collects out the outside of the base so I do have to wipe it down regularly.

Hey everyone, I'm in the middle of researching the Roborock lineup — specifically the Saros 10, 10R, and Z70. I’ve ended up going with the Saros 10, but I’m still super confused about all the conflicting reviews and tests, so I thought I’d share what I’ve found and maybe get your thoughts. For some context: (I feel like we can't test these robots as soon as they come out maybe wait abit get firmware done and a lot of other stuff because vacuum wars's testing was completely out of what other reviewers say) but we should come together as a community to see how we can minimise these inconsistencies. • I watched The French Glow, who loved the Saros 10. • Just a Dad Reviews also preferred the 10 over the 10R. • A few European robot vacuum websites had test results showing the 10 outperforming the 10R too. • Jamie Andrews also had the 10 doing better in cleaning tests, but at the end he said he’d personally go for the 10R, purely because he believes Roborock is moving forward with **Starsight Navigation**, since it’s in the Z70 (**this is incorrect**). • Meanwhile, Vacuum Wars had the Saros 10 performing terribly, which really threw me off. Honestly, based on the majority of the reviews I’ve seen, I think that test might need a redo. Now here’s where it gets interesting. I actually work in retail, and we recently had a couple of Roborock reps come in to train us, put stickers on the models, and give us the inside scoop. I straight-up asked him: “How would you rank the Z70, 10, and 10R right now?” His answer was: **Z70 > 10 > 10R** I then asked, “Why did you guys fit the Z70 with spinning mops and **Starsight** if it’s meant to be the best? Why not vibration and retractable LiDAR?” He explained: • LiDAR and mop arms were messing with navigation when the arm was up, as it’s a spinning light sensor, and it caused issues in their internal testing. They had to save space, so they stuck with **Starsight** on the Z70. • They didn’t go with vibration mopping due to weight and space constraints. • What I found interesting is that the Z70 doesn’t use Duo Divide, and they even said that Duo Divide was the better roller — so there are definitely trade-offs. • Overall, he said it was due to weight and space. • But in terms of all-round performance, he said the Saros 10 is currently the best cleaner overall. I even asked him why the 10 is better than the 10R. The 10 is technically the newer one as they have been out in China and there is a reason why they reverted back to lidar which he didn’t tell me but he said it has more suction power, a slightly better dock, and better mopping because it can put about 1kg of pressure on the floor when there are tough stains. It even has a little bumper on the top so when it’s under furniture and bumps into things, it knows and doesn’t scratch itself. I also told him, “Doesn’t the 10R detect more stuff?” and he just said no — same amount. Both use the same artificial intelligence trained on the same things to detect stuff. Also straight up told me the only thing the 10r does better then the 10 is that its dock is a lot easier to clean. But he also said you couldn’t go wrong with any of the Roborocks in their lineup — anything over 7000 Pascals will get the job done. He even told me that Pascals are pretty much just marketing. Also, something I didn’t know before: the “R” in 10R stands for the QRevo mop system, not “Roborock” or anything like that. As for me, I’m not too worried about “future-proofing” with **Starsight**. I usually upgrade my robot vac every 3 years, as I get product insurance on everything. So after the manufacturer’s warranty, I just put water in my robot and get the newest version out at that moment. I care more about current cleaning performance than long-term tech shifts. **TL;DR:** • Multiple reviewers (French Glow, Just a Dad, Jamie Andrews, etc.) rate the Saros 10 as better than the 10R. • Vacuum Wars says otherwise, but they seem like the outlier. • Roborock rep ranks Z70 > 10 > 10R, but admits there were trade-offs in the Z70 design. • I chose the Saros 10 — best cleaning performance today, and I upgrade every few years anyway. I hoped this helped pick your robot. 😀

Hey everyone, I'm in the middle of researching the Roborock lineup — specifically the Saros 10, 10R, and Z70. I’ve ended up going with the Saros 10, but I’m still super confused about all the conflicting reviews and tests, so I thought I’d share what I’ve found and maybe get your thoughts. For some context: (I feel like we can't test these robots as soon as they come out maybe wait abit get firmware done and a lot of other stuff because vacuum wars's testing was completely out of what other reviewers say) but we should come together as a community to see how we can minimise these inconsistencies. • I watched The French Glow, who loved the Saros 10. • Just a Dad Reviews also preferred the 10 over the 10R. • A few European robot vacuum websites had test results showing the 10 outperforming the 10R too. • Jamie Andrews also had the 10 doing better in cleaning tests, but at the end he said he’d personally go for the 10R, purely because he believes Roborock is moving forward with **Starsight Navigation**, since it’s in the Z70 (**this is incorrect**). • Meanwhile, Vacuum Wars had the Saros 10 performing terribly, which really threw me off. Honestly, based on the majority of the reviews I’ve seen, I think that test might need a redo. Now here’s where it gets interesting. I actually work in retail, and we recently had a couple of Roborock reps come in to train us, put stickers on the models, and give us the inside scoop. I straight-up asked him: “How would you rank the Z70, 10, and 10R right now?” His answer was: **Z70 > 10 > 10R** I then asked, “Why did you guys fit the Z70 with spinning mops and **Starsight** if it’s meant to be the best? Why not vibration and retractable LiDAR?” He explained: • LiDAR and mop arms were messing with navigation when the arm was up, as it’s a spinning light sensor, and it caused issues in their internal testing. They had to save space, so they stuck with **Starsight** on the Z70. • They didn’t go with vibration mopping due to weight and space constraints. • What I found interesting is that the Z70 doesn’t use Duo Divide, and they even said that Duo Divide was the better roller — so there are definitely trade-offs. • Overall, he said it was due to weight and space. • But in terms of all-round performance, he said the Saros 10 is currently the best cleaner overall. I even asked him why the 10 is better than the 10R. The 10 is technically the newer one as they have been out in China and there is a reason why they reverted back to lidar which he didn’t tell me but he said it has more suction power, a slightly better dock, and better mopping because it can put about 1kg of pressure on the floor when there are tough stains. It even has a little bumper on the top so when it’s under furniture and bumps into things, it knows and doesn’t scratch itself. I also told him, “Doesn’t the 10R detect more stuff?” and he just said no — same amount. Both use the same artificial intelligence trained on the same things to detect stuff. Also straight up told me the only thing the 10r does better then the 10 is that its dock is a lot easier to clean. But he also said you couldn’t go wrong with any of the Roborocks in their lineup — anything over 7000 Pascals will get the job done. He even told me that Pascals are pretty much just marketing. Also, something I didn’t know before: the “R” in 10R stands for the QRevo mop system, not “Roborock” or anything like that. As for me, I’m not too worried about “future-proofing” with **Starsight**. I usually upgrade my robot vac every 3 years, as I get product insurance on everything. So after the manufacturer’s warranty, I just put water in my robot and get the newest version out at that moment. I care more about current cleaning performance than long-term tech shifts. **TL;DR:** • Multiple reviewers (French Glow, Just a Dad, Jamie Andrews, etc.) rate the Saros 10 as better than the 10R. • Vacuum Wars says otherwise, but they seem like the outlier. • Roborock rep ranks Z70 > 10 > 10R, but admits there were trade-offs in the Z70 design. • I chose the Saros 10 — best cleaning performance today, and I upgrade every few years anyway. I hoped this helped pick your robot. 😀

The saros 10 is the best robot on the market

Trust me I had the same issue as u the 10 fixed it

Get the saros 10 3000 more pascals of suction and a different shape dust bin really makes the difference and btw people are gonna ahh well vacuum wars tests say otherwise no idk what vacuum wars did in there tests but u look at another reviewer they say the 10 is a better vacuuming robot.

Go into the app and increase the suction., just did it to mine, made a huge difference

Is recommend to wait a few days as some new models from narwal and dreame are coming out, keep an eye on the narwal flow as it should be promising. But if you don’t care to wait the Mova v50 is really good aswell as the roborock saros 10r

Agree - my saros 10 is great at picking up hair, but terrible at picking up small bits of cat litter

the vacuum performance for saros10 is great for fur, hair and anti tangling, but not so great for fine objects (eg sand, grains , cat litter)

My Saros10 doesn’t seem to be very effective in picking up fine cat litter - but good for hair

10R does not clean better than the 10 since the latter can put more down pressure hence better with though stains. 10R dock much more uncomplicated to clean as any other rotating system. The S8 maxv is quite expensive tbf at that price, I wouldn’t buy it for more than 900-1k probably. And 10 at that price also not worth it. Are you able to get the Curv or edge or even the QRevo master ? If it has to be absolutely those two then I would go for the 10 because it has the duo divide roller, lifts the side brush which is also tangle free, new robot and dock design, but I reckon prob most people would/should get the maxv

10R does not clean better than the 10 since the latter can put more down pressure hence better with though stains. 10R dock much more uncomplicated to clean as any other rotating system. The S8 maxv is quite expensive tbf at that price, I wouldn’t buy it for more than 900-1k probably. And 10 at that price also not worth it. Are you able to get the Curv or edge or even the QRevo master ? If it has to be absolutely those two then I would go for the 10 because it has the duo divide roller, lifts the side brush which is also tangle free, new robot and dock design, but I reckon prob most people would/should get the maxv

The only thing you mentioned about “your situation” is the type of flooring you have. Have you got kids? Or long hair people in the house or dogs or none of that? Are you messy are you tidy? I mean do you need the robot to be thorough with the carpet or with mopping or with obstacles avoidance. That’s what someone should say about their “situation”. The S1 pro is a nightmare for maintenance and vacuuming and hair tangling is very poor. Mopping is excellent. And the OA is pretty good. The 10R is a good all around and unless you have dogs with muddy paws every day or walk with shoes inside the house then I hardly doubt you will notice any difference in mopping between eufy and this one. Another alternative is the QRevo Edge or Curv or CurvX.

It isn’t. Saros 10 proved that wrong, unless you have really uneven floors

Spinning is not better than vibrating. Saros 10 proved that. Only if you have really uneven floor then spinning is better

Smarthomeassistant, poderak, justadad you can see there Saros removes stains in less passes

As several mentioned. Arm is not even smth to consider yet. Roller is worse with hair. Easy choice 10R

No it doesn’t better mopper. Actually the 10 has more down force than the 10R, that’s why the CurvX is a 10 with spinning mops, they improved the down force. I don’t know how it takes you hours to clean the S8, my S8 takes me 2 min. Granted spinning pads are much easier. The 10r should take you less than a minute.

Maximum power you mean maximum vibration and water ? It’s quite strange, did you make sure it’s was putting water in the ground, did you check if the pad was making good contact with the floor? Even a dragging non vibrating pad should have cleaned that in 4 passes, I use mine with 3 passes but the third one is just a touch up. On video reviews with messy stains it cleans more in one pass than the 10R because of the downforce pressure as I mentioned so I have the feeling some was odd with yours.

No it doesn’t better mopper. Actually the 10 has more down force than the 10R, that’s why the CurvX is a 10 with spinning mops, they improved the down force. I don’t know how it takes you hours to clean the S8, my S8 takes me 2 min. Granted spinning pads are much easier. The 10r should take you less than a minute.

Maximum power you mean maximum vibration and water ? It’s quite strange, did you make sure it’s was putting water in the ground, did you check if the pad was making good contact with the floor? Even a dragging non vibrating pad should have cleaned that in 4 passes, I use mine with 3 passes but the third one is just a touch up. On video reviews with messy stains it cleans more in one pass than the 10R because of the downforce pressure as I mentioned so I have the feeling some was odd with yours.

Had the S7 MaxV for 3 years and since monday the Saros 10. Have no issues and everything seems clean. It's also the first robot to vacum our high pile carpet so thats a huge win for me.

I have 2x S8 MaxV Ultra and recently got 10R, the 10R is such an improvement. The dock alone, the fact you can take out the tray to easily clean it is so good! Not to mention all the other improvements (better object detection, spinning mops, leaves mops in the base station when doing vacuum only, better vacuuming (I have 3 cats and the floor is spotless). For me it's not leaving any streaks or excess water on the floor, so I'm really happy with it.

I bought both of them very recently. Either my X9 is faulty or it’s just meant to be that way. The battery runs out quickly. It did like 2 rooms and had to go charge again and again. My 10R did the entire same floor plan on highest settings and still had 44% battery left to spare. Some ppl here said it needs to cycle the battery a few times before it works properly. However I did do that and still no changes and that seems like a ridiculous thing to do for it to work properly, like it should work how it’s supposed to from the beginning. I also don’t like the Ecovacs app. Roborock app is so much more polished. Idk if the roller mop is cleaning better or not, it was leaving a lot of wet surface on the default settings, but maybe that’s how it’s supposed to be. (I have PVC flooring). Another thing is I have a threshold between the add-on “garage” and my main house, the X9 could not get over it and the 10R did it so easily. So now I only need one robot downstairs instead of two seperate ones. I also like that the R10 leaves the mops behind when doing vacuum only. And that’s another thing. X9 can’t do mop only. Sometimes I just want my robot to mop instead of vac&mop. For me R10 is so much better in all ways. I should’ve stocked to Roborock from the beginning, I have no clue why vacuumwars is praising Ecovacs so much. 🤷🏻‍♂️

From my personal experience it is Roborock models. I’ve had 2x Roborock S7 MaxV Ultra, 2x Roborock S8 MaxV Ultra and now Roborock Saros 10R and I couldn’t be happier. When I had first gotten the S7 MaxV Ultra’s k had questions about original accessories and I had emailed them and they replied so quickly with the Information I needed. I tried Ecovacs X9 Omni Pro and I think my robot was faulty. I tried contacting support directly when I received it, I have yet to receive an answer (Europe/Netherlands). I have returned it back to Amazon instead.

Roborock Saros 10R can cross this. Had Ecovacs X9 Omni Pro couldn’t. Don’t know about the Dreame. https://preview.redd.it/l6f5p52iqr5f1.png?width=1338&format=png&auto=webp&s=2bca1164d2ae9a0e92fb75be89b4b7f8bf211400

First of all Z70 is just a bad version of Saros 10R! So don’t even consider it, the internal tanks are so small just for a gimmick. Why I’d say Saros 10R over S8 MAXV Ultra (I have both): - auto detachable spinning mops: - can cross thresholds; - base had removable tray for easy cleaning; - better object detection in smaller frame so fits more places. - I have 3 cats and they both vacuum equally I’d say. I run them multiple times per day so I don’t let it build up too much. But spinning mops are really better.

I have one. It really does a solid job keeping up with the day to day floor cleaning, but you need to make sure there are no loose cords under tables or chairs with leg spacing that will get it caught. It can be needy, otherwise. Overall, I'd recommend it. We have the Saros 10R.