Therm-a-Rest - NeoAir XLite Series

Personally (I’m in my 40s and a side sleeper) an Xtherm or Xlite is one of my favorite purchases. But everyone has different needs. I’m a fan of not buying new things until you actually need them. Or you are sure that your goals will outgrow your gear. A cheap inflatable is definitely not worth it.

It depends on your conditions. I have a full length Xtherm for 40f nights but the half sized Xlite (now discontinued?) for 60f nights. It’s great, good weight savings. Sometimes put my backpack under my feet, but generally I’m not that fussy.

I bought an old version Thermarest Xlite and it felt like I was sleeping on a bag of chips... for the first two trips... now it doesn't make much noise at all when I move around. I think pad noise in general is overblown.

Thermarest from 1990 or so is still going strong. Same with the two from 2004.

I sleep on a Exped Ultra 5r AT HOME every night. If I ain't worried over big miles, I take it backpacking. Cradles me just right with the outer "tubes" a little fatter than the midle ones. And I recommend a pillow that's tall enough for side sleeping. I usually take a thermarest x-lite on longer sections though, a little lighter and sleeps fine too.

If the Prolite works great for you, why not keep it and cut weight elsewhere? Pads are quite subjective, like recommending shoes. I agree it's a grail hunt, I've went through a bunch too! The Neoair is my go-to, the Exped Ultra is my favorite, and I can get by on a z-lite in warmer weather.

I brought both, both times. Would again.

If I had to buy another pad, I'd just get mine again, the now discontinued NeoAir XLite Womens. It's the same weight but higher R value (5.4).

More comfortable, and much much quieter, but not anywhere near as warm.

I absolutely love my XLite Womens (R5.4, 66", 12oz). I think it's perfect in every way; warmth, weight, and length. This would get me to reconsider though.

Welp, I ordered it so we'll see soon enough.

Only used it once so far but it was fine with lows at 35F with a Katabatic Palisade. I’m hoping to use it more soon, and will thru hike with it in a few months.

I only use pads that are too short for me. I currently use an XLite Womens (66") and a Tensor Elite (63"). I like having my feet hang off the edge after a long day of hiking, it feels better. If I'm on a longer pad or in a bed, I will do the same thing.

The thermarest Neo air mats are lightweight and good quality, if a little pricey. MEC alternatives aren’t bad either. I prefer a foam/air mix pad and have been really happy with the one I have form Sea to Summit. If you want to be on the inexpensive side, look at Woods or Decathalon, but expect more weight.

Currently have their pads as well but insufficient R value so looking for an upgrade. Not that much into the comfort of the xlite though so this seems promising

I’ve tried both. Took the Rapide back to REI. I did not find it all that comfortable and not very warm. I tried and kept the Exped Ultra 5R mummy style. Comfy and warm. I also have a Neoair Xlite. The Exped is more comfortable, but the Xlite is a bit warmer. That said the Exped is my go to.

I ditched my 1/8" pad by the Sierra Nevada because it wasn't valuable for me. I got three punctures in my Xlite in the desert and couldn't risk the 1/8" as a sit pad, given that it'd collect dirt and spiky stuff. I suspect it trapped spiky things in my tent that would've otherwise slipped around, and possibly not punctured my pad. It helped my pad not slide around, but beyond that, it didn't help me with punctures as best I can tell, and it was awkward in or outside my pack. So, good as a basic sitpad, but I'm not confident about its value beyond that.

I have found and fixed a leak in my NeoAir, but I can't imagine finding the hole while on the trail.

Everyone prioritizes things differently. Some people want the perfect piece of gear for every situation. Some people prioritize money, weight, comfort etc. For me, I didn’t want to buy multiple pads for multiple situations. So I bought the thermarest xlite with R value of 4.5 and a Nemo foldable switchback. Now I am covered all season comfortably with will not need to buy anything else. Have you slept on a foldable pad before? As a side sleeper I could not get comfortable. Where I backpack, it can get cold at night even in the summer and I didn’t want to be caught unprepared, so I always use my inflatable pad. You will eventually get a puncture in your inflatable sleeping pad, which is why you bring a small repair kit.

I've 200+ nights on my NeoAir. I've patched a couple holes over that time, but it was easy to identify and fix them in the field. Cascade Designs, the parent company of thermarest, will replace your pad if there's a defect in it (I've warrantied an MSR tent with them). Thru hikers use inflatable pads and do just fine. Are you having this problem with multiple brands and models? Are you super heavy? Are you sleeping wearing anything that is metal? Maybe get a gossamer gear 1/8" foam pad and put it underneath your inflatable.

Bring both. I did and was glad to do so watching so many other folks with issues/holes.

Switching to Wide, was a huge step up for me. So much better with my elbows resting on the pad and having enough room to turn at night. Something to consider is that the Nemo has 20D bottom fabric vs Xlite - 30D vs Xtherm - 70D. I have had all kinds of leaks with Nemo pads. Few punctures with Xlite pads and no punctures/leaks with my Xtherm.

I’d recommend inflatable. Lighter and easier to pack to a very small size. I’m currently using a Neoair Xtherm NXT and I love it. It’s so well insulated, weighs barely anything, very comfortable and I’ve never had any issues with punctures. Depends how you treat it, I’m always sleeping in a tent with a ground sheet, but I’ve had the regular Neoair prior to this and never had an issue with that either. I only got the new one because it was stolen. Also the NXT does cut down the noise a LOT compared to the previous model. It doesn’t eliminate it, but it’s no longer an issue IMO as the older one was very loud. The NXT is no worse than a standard big Agnes pad I also have and no worse than basically any other inflatable now. Unless you’re a VERY light sleeper I don’t think there’s a problem any more.

Then it’s a CCF pad for you. I’ve had no issues with reliability. I’ve owned an Uberlite and two Neoairs (NXT and non). But if something can break, it will eventually. I’d recommend babying it, in every way (site selection and clearing, handling, etc.).

Enlightened Equipment Enigma 20F, Tremarest NeoAir XLite (go for XTherm if you want warmer, but XLite is enough). Wouldn't use a 30F bag if temps can get low enough. I basically use this kit in PNW in those temps you listed. I just wear a puffy and fleece leggings on sub-freezing days if I need a bit more warmth, and it's nice to anyway since climbing out of the bag does not feel cold if you are not naked.

6’4”, 220, although with a back that does not require repair. Most comfortable backpacking pad I tried is S2S Comfort Insulated Plus. Weight is awful - 2.5 lb - but the double chamber system is excellent at balancing protection from the ground and support vs having a softer top to rest on. Large rectangular size provides enough space, especially if you are a back sleeper. Outside of double chamber systems like that one, basically Thermarest NeoAir are the best of the bunch. Pricy but thick and performant. The popular S2S Etherlight is thicker, but also requires being inflated firmer which makes it overall meh unless you specifically want ultra-firm.

Thermarest Neo-air x-lite for 3 seasons use or the x-therm if you are looking at colder weather. Yes they are expensive but they have a lifetime warranty and great customer service

If I ever buy another inflatable pad, it'll be a [Nemo Tensor Trail](https://www.nemoequipment.eu/collections/sleeping-pads/products/tensor-trail-insulated-ultralight-sleeping-pad). Of all the inflatable options, it's simply the best blend of comfort/weight (assuming you avoid cold temps like I do) The horizontal baffles on the XLite are nowhere near as comfortable

I used Thermarest Neoair Xlite NXT in February and was warm enough (R4.5 - 2deg C in Sussex). So you probably don't need to worry about R factor.

I’ve used the xterme since it came out with zero problem. At the beginning of last summer I bought the xlite and it immediately leaked. Used it for about 10 nights and took it back to REI. Never again.

https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-sleeping-pad https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-camping-mattress Outdoor Gearlab is a great resource for things like this, they break it all down. Personally I used the NeoAir Xlite, and while I was a bit jealous of my peer’s comfort with their huge air mattresses, the ease of setting up and packing up without the need for an outlet or a pump, and it packing down to about the size of a pineapple, and weighing under a pound, made it worth it to me. And I slept fine. There’s other options on there that lean toward comfort over weight and size though.

+1 for lengthwise baffles and therefore Exped. I tried the Neo Air, I toss and turn a lot...I could only ever sleep comfortably on lengthwise baffles

I’ve only slept on the neoair and the exped from that list. I find the exped a little more comfortable to sleep on, but still always take the neoair because of the lighter weight, which is more comfortable in my pack. I am more of a rotisserie sleeper, but 1/3 of the time I’m on my back. I always opt for the 25” width because, well, I was born with arms and elbows! I cut my neoair down to 50” and use my backpack and sit pad under my feet. I don’t experience any discomfort from that setup and save 3-4 ounces thereby. I’m not sure I could cut my exped because of the baffle orientation. I keep it only to loan to friends.

It has taken a few weeks on sleeping on my thermarest neoair to figure it out for consistent sleep: deflating so I’m only just off the ground, and ear plugs. That combo works for me for backpacking. Canoe camping I still prefer my self inflating tractor with a blue foam mat underneath for that little extra cushion!

Not a duo, but after trying a series of pads my partner (who is usually cold at night) loves her vectair, when comparing it to my Neo and her old self-inflating.

For solo? Assuming you don’t need a free standing tent, take a look at Mier Lanshan 1P on Amazon. It uses a trekking pole. I have like a 16 year old NeoAir pad which rolls up slightly smaller than a Nalgene. It’s kinda pricey but they still make them.

I have an xlite and an all-season. I personally think the xlite is a little quieter. I also think the noise from both is so negligible that this should hardly be a sticking point for anyone unless you are VERY VERY sensitive to noise- in which case I have no idea how you sleep in the backcountry anyway. So far I prefer my all-season because a fully inflated all-season feels a little less “stiff” than my fully inflated xlite. I think the baffle design on the all-season is a little more comfortable. The biggest drawback to my all-season is that the pad surface can be quite slippery.

Tried pretty much everything, settled on the xlite, for me personally offers the best combination of attributes. For any pad I would only consider a long and wide now.

Keep in mind, too, that a CCF pad can be a huge hassle to attach to your pack. Some people care more than others about stuff flopping around, dealing with attaching it every morning, etc, but you might want to figure out which type you are. I keep saying I'm going to try my CCF for summer backpacking, but always give up and throw my XLite into my pack. Even after I spent two nights with it deflated due to punctures (yes, more than one :( on one trip, I patched it when I got home and still used it for my next trip. It's just too easy. But it's still good to have a CCF to use on really cold nights in a campground, as a second pad underneath an inflatable. Or of course if you do winter backpacking or the like.

Thermarest xlite nxt another vote. I’m usually around 18st/ 115kg depending on what’s going on.

The Neo air is so so good, I have an early extreme and it’s just the nuts. My answer to OPs question is which one as have always had thermarest and none have ever let me down. A little check every two years doesn’t harm, poss some seam sealer on my older foam pads once in a while but the Neo air is just fantastic👍

Exactly this! I also just switched from NeoAir to Exped for this reason after trying my partner's Exped. So much more comfortable although ever so slightly bigger/heavier.

Fellow 5’6 cold sleeping woman here chiming in! I have a Feathered Friends UL 20-degree bag and it’s the best bag I’ve ever owned. Still pretty light (I’m 47 and my knees feel every ounce after a few miles!) but is a legit comfort at 30 degrees with only a light base layer for PJs (and maybe lower but I haven’t been out sub-30 yet). I paired with a thermarest xlite nxt.

I have a Thermarest NeoAir XLite and while it has never failed me so far, it often wakes me up because it's SO DAMN LOUD. Everytime I move, the pad crackles and squawks and can wake me up, making for a rough sleep. It's otherwise comfortable... On my next hike, I am going to take a foam cell pad and see how I do...

This is subjective. For me, yes, an inflatable pad is worth it for better sleep quality. Foam pads just don't work for me. In your case, you report that you already sleep fine on a foam pad so why not just stick with it? Regarding durability of an inflatable, yes it's likely lower but you may be able to patch it and still worth it for sleep quality. I did get a leak in my NeoAir but I set up camp in a reasonable spot and was able to put my pack under it and it was ok. Patched it when I got home. The hot ticket item for me is actually the short Prolite. Very similar weight to my old NeoAir, bit more durable, adequate ground insulation, and still has a bit of foam. Takes up more space but still fits in my packs with usual loadouts.

I'm doubtful the exped is more durable than the neoair. Exped uses a 20D fabric vs a 30D for the neoair. Denier isn't everything but we can suppose both brands use good quality fabric. The neoair is one of the highest rated inflatable pad on the pct survey, it wouldn't be the case if they were constantly popping. I don't think you should ever use it on bare ground though.

The neoair beats every other pads on all metrics except comfort. So if it's comfy enough for you that's the best pad.

Also, it's not super UL (but shoulder season/winter hiking often isn't), but on cold trips I layer a z-fold under my normal pad (NeoAir X-Lite). Especially if OP has a pad already and just wants something for sub-freezing temps, definitely a durable and cheap option to consider.

Rapide for comfort, Tensor All-Season for overall value and light comfort, xlite for UL and durability. IMO

Avid Rockies backpacker based in Calgary. I have the Nemo disco -9 bag and it is perfect for all my three season trips and I’m getting a second one soon for my son. In the summer I still take a base layer top (a lighter one) and shoulder season add in the bottom. I also have a warmer base layer and a much lighter top. So it’s mix and match depending on the temp. As everyone sleeps differently, warmer or colder, you’ll have to figure that out on your own. But the bag is good! I use it with a Thermorest neoair xlite but for warmer temps use the Uber light. I believe the Nemo you mentioned is the equivalent. I suggest testing your gear once you have it to figure out your limits. I went winter camping at elbow lake just before the road closed (as car only 1km away!) and with the gear I would normally take in a shoulder season trip I figure I’m pretty good down to -10 and will survive fine if a bit colder. Did Rummel lake on a warmer spell in February and it was a fantastic trip. Obviously the winter trips I had more than just my usual shoulder season gear but it was very informative of my shoulder season capabilities.

It's all relative man. The new versions of both the Xlite and the Tensor are miles quieter than they used to be. They are quiet enough for me as a light sleeper that my own tossing and turning doesn't wake me up, nor does the tossing and turning of my hiking partners sleeping near me. You're not going to get better from an inflatable pad. My advice is either just tough it out until you get used to it or bail it. Maybe with time they will become quieter still but at some point you have to be willing to acclimate given that you're coming from a self-inflating pad. Even being sensitive to noise I would never sacrifice the weight savings for the quietness of a self-inflating pad.

Why do you need a 'self inflating' pad? The only value they provide is saving your lungs a few breaths. If you have a breathing problem - a simple electric fan can inflate a pad easily (flextail makes really ultralight ones for backpacking now). [https://www.flextail.com/collections/for-sleeping-pad](https://www.flextail.com/collections/for-sleeping-pad) You'll save weight / space in your pack if you skip the self-inflating requirement. Therm-a-Rest make the best backpacking sleeping pads. Their NeoAir line is really nice. The Max is 3 inches thick - I'd recommend it for you. [https://cascadedesigns.com/products/neoair-xlite-nxt-max-sleeping-pad](https://cascadedesigns.com/products/neoair-xlite-nxt-max-sleeping-pad)

What pads did you try that were too loud? Was it the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XLite?

Heh. Yeah - it's notorious for its crinkly noise. I would note - that I've used one for 10+ years - and it does get better with age. It's worst right out of the box. After a few trips its manageable. After a dozen trips I don't even notice it (or maybe I just mentally block it out). You could try switching over to the Therm-a-Rest ProLite line. They are not noisy. My gripe is that they are self-inflating. That means they have foam inside - so they are heavier and bulkier to pack. Not ideal if you are trying to optimize weight/space - but they are comfy and solve the noise issue. * [https://www.thermarest.com/sleeping-pads/fast-and-light/prolite-plus-sleeping-pad/prolite-plus.html](https://www.thermarest.com/sleeping-pads/fast-and-light/prolite-plus-sleeping-pad/prolite-plus.html) * [https://www.thermarest.com/sleeping-pads/fast-and-light/prolite-apex-sleeping-pad/prolite-apex.html](https://www.thermarest.com/sleeping-pads/fast-and-light/prolite-apex-sleeping-pad/prolite-apex.html)

I had a neoair and never had a good night sleep. I loved the packed size and weight, but I always felt like I was perched on it and would be thrown off if I wriggled. I also had one of the older, noisier ones so it sounded like a crisp packet. I now use a short prolite which is a combination of foam and air. I’m much closer to the floor and it all feels a lot more stable. This results in me managing to sleep for 8 hours on the trail which is priceless. It’s heavier and no pad under my feet so I put my bag under my feet on cold nights. But having a good night sleep after a long day on your feet is worth the extra weight.

Well, I'm currently using a Thermarest Neoair XLite for backpacking. For car camping, I'm using one called a Qomotop I got from Amazon. That brand seems to be gone, but if you search for it there are others that look pretty much identical under other odd ball brand names. I like them both for their purposes.

I’m taking a neoair AND a RIDGEREST!!!!! Luxury baby! Base weight is still 11 pounds cuz of a few other luxuries but DO IT!

You've tested *all* of them? You find the Nemo more comfortable than an Etherlite XT? An REI Helix? An Exped? A Rapide SL? That doesn't compute for me. The Nemo is more comfy than a Neoair but well below all of those.

2 things here, time of year is key, the other is age. even late spring, in the uplands in the UK you can get hyperthermia pretty easily without decent ground insulation. You mention student, so i'm guessing circa 17-22. You should be able to sleep on a roll mat just fine at thatt age with, esp after a day's hard PT in the outdoors. For this if you want to save money, forget amazon entirely and look at an army foam matt, or a thermarest one if want to buy from a regular shop. Both will keep you alive and insulated in all weathers. As for airpads, they are a liability. I know i've had most brands over the years and the reality is there is no cutting corners. Sure can get a cheap one from amazon, say trekology one of the better one's but know it will fail, and its not a question of if, but when. Note a non insulated airpad, you will have a very very uncomforable night, as in freezing. I've been all over, all different terrains and super remote, a hard foam matt will never fail and you should always carry one, even if you have a top of the range airmat, because without one, if the airpad fails your screwed. As for air pads themselves. My advice is having tried all leading brands, save up and get a thermorest neoair (avoid uber) and go for a xtherm if wanting winter, and the normal(yellow) one if 3 season. yes they are expensive but if they fail (which out of all the matt's ive had over the years are the most reliable) the customer service is second to none, you will get a replacement. So you can buy x number of cheap pads without any ability to get a replacement a year down the road, but over the seasons it adds up. So best advice, is save up a little, make home brew to save money lol, and buy once, but buy quality. The other thing is sleeping bags, and again that becomes very costly. If your young and thus should be fit and thus your not worrying about every gram, look no further than uk ex military surplus stock for sleeping systems/bags. They will last, are well proven and just work.

2 things here, time of year is key, the other is age. even late spring, in the uplands in the UK you can get hyperthermia pretty easily without decent ground insulation. You mention student, so i'm guessing circa 17-22. You should be able to sleep on a roll mat just fine at thatt age with, esp after a day's hard PT in the outdoors. For this if you want to save money, forget amazon entirely and look at an army foam matt, or a thermarest one if want to buy from a regular shop. Both will keep you alive and insulated in all weathers. As for airpads, they are a liability. I know i've had most brands over the years and the reality is there is no cutting corners. Sure can get a cheap one from amazon, say trekology one of the better one's but know it will fail, and its not a question of if, but when. Note a non insulated airpad, you will have a very very uncomforable night, as in freezing. I've been all over, all different terrains and super remote, a hard foam matt will never fail and you should always carry one, even if you have a top of the range airmat, because without one, if the airpad fails your screwed. As for air pads themselves. My advice is having tried all leading brands, save up and get a thermorest neoair (avoid uber) and go for a xtherm if wanting winter, and the normal(yellow) one if 3 season. yes they are expensive but if they fail (which out of all the matt's ive had over the years are the most reliable) the customer service is second to none, you will get a replacement. So you can buy x number of cheap pads without any ability to get a replacement a year down the road, but over the seasons it adds up. So best advice, is save up a little, make home brew to save money lol, and buy once, but buy quality. The other thing is sleeping bags, and again that becomes very costly. If your young and thus should be fit and thus your not worrying about every gram, look no further than uk ex military surplus stock for sleeping systems/bags. They will last, are well proven and just work.

Slept on a ZLite on the AT and PCT, bought a NeoAir for the CDT and slept great on all of them. 10+ years later and I can’t even come close to a good nights sleep on a 25 inch wide pad with a decent pillow. Probably just need to hike more miles.

I own an xlite large and an uberlite

I have that pad, too, and I never use it because it sounds like you are sleeping on a giant bag of potato chips. Disappointing.

I had one of the first neo airs and I used on extended trips and for work. I also let my dogs walk all over it. I used it on rocks and twigs. It took like 10 years to get a hole.

I've been using the thermarest neos air ones since they were introduced.

I have an older one, not the oldest one though - it still has the old valve, and it barely makes a sound.

You have to think about temperature gradients when discussing insulation. If in summer the ground temp is near body temp, then even if you have an R=100 pad it won’t make any difference since you would not be loosing heat to the ground, even with no pad. So an xtherm in warm conditions performs pretty much the same as a xlite.

The longer I'm in the thru hiking / backpacking world, the more I prioritize comfortable sleep. PCT I used the short, regular Xlite. CDT I used the medium, wide Xtherm. Now I'm tempted to try the NeoLoft. Just need to make the trip to REI to see if I prefer the 22" or 25" width option. 5'12" btw

Buy once cry once. Get a nemo Tensor all season or a Thermarest Neoair - you can find both used on ebay for less than rrp.

I have the neo NeoAir XTherm max. It's by far the best pad I've used in the past 20 years as a side-sleeper. Both the mummy and max are the same thickness, it just depends if you want the extra space to spread out. I also have a NeoAir XLite NXT RW, which could be suitable for colder temperatures if you layer it with a foam pad.

I’m a side sleeper and went from the Tensor to the Thermarest neo air. The tensor is crazy noisy and if you flip from side to side like I do it’ll wake you and anyone you sleep near up. It’s really loud to me. The Thermarest is way quieter, has a higher r value and I’ve been pretty comfortable side sleeping on it in a zenbivy quilt and sheet. Seems a bit counter intuitive, but sometimes I find that I’ve made it too firm after a few hours and I just reach up and let a bit of air out if I’m feeling any discomfort and go right back to sleep.

Yeah, the Neoair Xlite NXT is just fine for side sleepers. The key is to deflate to the point where your hip is basically just touching the ground when you're on your side. Dozens of nights on my Xlite now and zero problems sleeping.

I use a Nemo Tensor insulated regular wide (from around 2021? When it was R4.2). Very stable and quiet, much better than the NeoAir Xlite I once tried and quickly returned. I also sleep in every position. If I didn’t already own two of these I would buy the current Nemo Tensor All-Season Insulated which is R5.4 for the same weight.

Both times I’ve hiked the PCT my thermarests have popped in the desert . The first time it was an older thermarest that had already seen a bit of action . The second time it was early on in my hike and it was the one I’d replaced the previous one with! After that I went CCF pad and was absolutely fine with it. In many ways, I prefer it.

I think any of the inflation pads will be pretty similar (as opposed to self inflating that are typically thinner). So Thermarest NeoAir NXT, Nemo Tensor, plus those already listed. Circa 3 inches thick to allow the hip to stay off the ground, and a square shape rather than mummy.

i’ve got a thermarest neoair xlite and it’s great

Seems to be a personal preference thing. I inflate my XLite (old model) fairly hard.

I sleep very comfortably on my XLite (old model). I would rate my husband's Nemo Tensor Insulated slightly more comfortable than the XLite, but the difference is not much. If I want to sleep as comfortably as possible, I switch to a hammock. I have never found any ground system as comfortable as a properly hung and adjusted 11 ft hammock.

Totally agree. I sleep comfortably on it and don't notice the noise any more.

Hmmm, i’m a side sleeper as well, and i’ve used the XLite for years without any pain. As long as it isn’t leaking I don’t see how a different pad would help with your problem.

That's so funny, I had the opposite experience. Used an XLite for a good long while and just accepted that my arms and shoulders always felt sore in the morning and/or went numb overnight. Switched to a Ether Light XT Insulated (regular mummy, not wide), took a tiny weight penalty, slept like a baby ever since. Sleeping pads are as personal as underwear. I will seriously never understand why one person thinks their preferred pad will work for someone else. You just gotta try a few till you find the one that works for your (unique, individual) body.

XLite isn't comfortable for a lot of people

I'm a side sleeper and my arms and shoulders ache and/or fall asleep or go numb on the Xlite. For whatver reason I can only sleep on dimpled baffles (tensor, etherlight)

yeah sometimes you end up in a bind where the pad that is the most comfortable for you is one that is prone to having some manufacturing defect that reveals itself slowly. i wish i was more comfortable on thermarest neoair but i just can't sleep good on horizontal baffles. i know they're more reliable over the long term. but what are you gonna do. what kills me is people on this sub who act like because pads develop weld defects that means you're WaStEfUl or bad at caring for your gear. it's asinine

Not only will they have the blown up ones, check around REI's returned goods. I found two NeoAir XLite pads for less than $90 each, "used". Honestly looked brand new and held air. Which ever par you decide on, check the returns before you buy new.

I tried Klymit and had the same problem. Get a Thermarest Neoair Xtherm or Xlite. I’ve used an Xlite for 4 years with no leaks.

I have an Xlite but for shorter trips I'll take my more comfortable BA Air Core Ultra Insulated for side sleeping. Can't speak on the other BA pads like the Rapide SL

I have a Nemo Tensor, Thermarest NeoAir X-Lite, and an Exped Ultra. My favorite of the 3 is the Exped. I haven't used the Rapide, but I'd put it in the same class as the ones I have. At that point, they are all so similar, buy the one that is the most comfortable for you. $20-30 less or more at that price point isn't huge, and is 100% worth it for more comfort.

Stick with the foam imo! Although foam won't necessarily be the most comfortable option to sleep on when camping on hard surfaces (which can be mitigated with site selection), it offers comfort in other ways. It's comfortable in that it's very low-maintenance: it'll never pop or develop a leak, and it'll never deflate in the middle of the night. You don't have to baby it whatsoever. It's comfortable in that it takes mere seconds to set up and take down. It's comfortable in that replacing it is easy and cheap. It's comfortable in that it's very light for the weight and you can trim it down to lighten it further. It's comfortable that it serves multiple purposes, including a sit pad during the day and a mat for stretching. All of these things pay dividends on a long-distance hike where light, reliable, multipurpose, and time-efficient gear rules. Also, I don't think foam is nearly as uncomfortable as people make it out to be. You can always use extra clothes and other stuff for padding if you have to camp on a hard surface. I find inflatables to be slippery and annoyingly narrow, whereas I can sprawl on foam like I'm on a real bed. Edit: I'll add that I own a Thermarest NeoAir X-Lite and an Exped Ultra 5R. I'd take foam over them any day on a thru-hike for the ease of use, durability, and weight. The last thing I want to do after a long day of hiking is to spend time blowing air into a glorified pool floatie.

I have no issues side sleeping on the Xlite. I do tend to prop up both the head and the foot with spare clothes and my pack though, it keeps my day pants warmer and keeps rodents from investigating my pack, and the legs elevation helps with swelling I think.

I know they are light but the neoair durability isn’t great. Also Cascade (thermarest) just moved from Seattle to Reno and I bet things are super disorganized still I opted for the Exped Ultra series. There’s a weight penalty but I find them much more comfortable, and Exped repairs pads for the cost of shipping to Tacoma.

The neoair is the most comfortable pad that I've ever used - ranging from closed cell foam, self inflating open cell, to blow up tube style.

I mean the xlite.

Spending $200 on one of the lightest pads on the market just to add weight in the form of a thinlight and seam grip is honestly a meme. You may as well just carry an XLite at that point, which is both warmer and more durable. This is why super light inflatables do not make sense to me. They require extra gear to protect them, while not even being that much warmer than just carrying an indestructible foam pad 

I use 6 panels of Switchback. It goes from my shoulders to upper thigh. It's all you need in the summer. For colder conditions, I bought the short (5'6") Xlite. I'm 5'10". Weight savings are worth it.

Highly recommend a thermarest Neoair. I have the X-therm which is the highest R rating they do and is fantastic in winter but if your doing more fair weather they do lower R value ones and lighter weighted models. Expensive but completely worth the price. (Comfortable too) I'd recommend an R value between 2-4 for 2-3 season camping in the UK.

You obviously have not tried a NeoAir

My neoair xlite is 10 years old and still going strong! (Tho prob about 1/3 the miles of yours 😅). Also very comfortable.

I thought I needed a thick wide pad as a side sleeper. I got an S2S Etherlight. About half way thru a thru in ‘21 I had to try an XLite, because supply chain. Dropped about 9ozs and kicked myself the rest of the way down the trail for being so gullible. The XLite was much more comfortable for me sleeping and I could really feel those 9ozs off my back. Get that and bring a few ozs of Blue Chew and your gal will carry the rest of the gear! Ha!

I think #3 has been debunked, but I still love my inflate-sack (even though it's obv not UL). I don't know if your model has this problem, but my old one was very noisy/crinkly every time I moved on it, and the new ones have that issue much less. 200g is not easy to shave off. I'd go for it for that reason alone. The high or low R value is a tradeoff: I have the low R value XLite one and just carry an extra eggshell in the winter - but having one-for-all-seasons isn't a bad choice either.

I won’t say most but I would say a good majority use the thermo rest neo air. It varies in size but it’s a quality pad and I use it personally

I have the XLite (size regular) and a Big Agnes Zoom UL (reg/wide). The Zoom is more comfortable.However, it doesn't feel as warm as I think it should with the R value. That being said, the only time I really noticed this was when it was below freezing. Any nights above 40f and they seemed about the same

If you're arms are falling off a 20" pad, I'd go with the wide version of the pad. The minor weight penalty is worth the better sleep imo. The XTherm is the "one pad to rule all seasons" type pad. That being said, if you only do one winter trip a year and have a CCF pad to bring, you can't go wrong with the XLite.

Rumor is they have made significant improvements with the crinkle. But I don't have any personal experience. My XLite is 2 years old and it doesn't seem too crinkly

I use the Thermarest NeoAir Xlite and am very happy with it, but I also don’t use it more than 10 days a year. It’s very comfortable and packs very small, but the R value is only fit for summer.

Katabatics run narrow. I was freezing in mine when I shouldn't have been - I returned it for a wide width. Also, since you're a cold sleeper like me, I think you should try the Xtherm. I've used the xlite and can tell you the Xtherm is noticeably warmer.

Same. Bought NeoAir in 2016. Full AT thru, full PCT thru, a dozen other short trips. Still going strong!

I also highly recommend the xlite, have had mine for 3 years with no issues. It is compact, warm, and seemingly durable enough that I don’t need to baby it. Just finished a 4 week roadtrip from Alaska to NC and car camped 90% of it using the xlite in the back of the car, worked great.

Just today I found myself wishing the Xlite came in a Short Wide. (Seriously, why only offer wide for tall people?!)  I'm only 5'6", so I don't need or want a 72" long pad, but my shoulders are 19" wide and I sleep like a dang corkscrew over the course of a night. A 20" wide pad just does not cut it for me. Current pad is 25", and while I don't think I'd want as narrow as 22", 24" would probably still be enough for comfort.

For my fat ass, I put one knee on the pad & deflate until my knee touches the ground, I find that to be just about perfect for me (neo air xlite wide). Once its closed & I'm off of it, its definitely floppier then you'd expect you'd want it.

Thermarest neoair xlite nxt user here and i think it's great. Coming from a non-insulated pad it makes a noticeable difference to warmth. 370g, r4.5, small pack size and comfy 👍

I have previous generation NeoAir Xlite and XTherm pads (with the older valve that looks like a small black cylinder protruding from the pad. The XLite has a bit of that "potato chip bag" crinkle which I think has gotten better in the newer models. In terms of comfort, my Nemo Tensor is WAY more comfortable, but my first Nemo Tensor failed when it kept getting little holes where the dimples are located. The NeoAir XTherm is AWESOME for warmth. I took mine on my Mt Baker climbing/mountaineering class in mid July 2024 and it was great there, and I didn't seem to mind the comfort as much. Maybe I was just tired at the end of each day and didn't care! I have a Kilos AeroCloud Ultra on the way to try and compare, which will probably be my wife's pad when we go to Iceland this summer to hike the Laugavegeur. She has lower back issues and keeping her on a comfortable pad is very important. We're always trying to strike a balance between comfort and weight for her gear. I think the Rapide SL is another good pick. Hard to know which of all these options are the best.

Yea def get a pad Those xlite pads are noisy to sleep on just as an fyi. Didn’t bother me but some people complain about it. Idk if they changed the material but I have an old one and it’s crunchy is the best way I can describe it

I also have an x-lite. It's light, alright, and it's "comfortable enough" if you stay on your back all night and don't move your legs. But, if you fidget, reposition, roll over, or even stretch, you're pretty much guaranteed to fall into the holes and 'hit the dirt', so to speak. :)

I find the xlite to be extremely uncomfortable. I love the thermarest prolite and have done multiple thru hikes with it.

I too hate the xlite and had the same experience of just deflating it completely. I love the thermarest prolite. I used the regular length version for the pct but switched to the shorter version for the cdt, azt, and at. I pair it with 6 panels of a foam pad as well.

I have the same sleeping pad as you. Have you tried adjusting the air using the valve? Lie down on it and, at head level, gently turn the flutter valve until the pad gently hugs your body.

No insulating value so not appropriate for cold weather; otherwise, if you like it great! I like closed cell foam for bottom dollar functionality but lots of folks can't/won't sleep on it, which is where you get the expensive inflatable pads you're talking about that are light and warm and compact (but cost a lot). In that category I like the thermarest neoair series.

My neoair xlites are going strong after 5years plus; my old thermorest prolite 3 shorty (older and heavier) is out of the regular rotation but is 20+yrs old and still works great no patches. Closed cell foam doesn't pop!

I slept on a neoair it was uncomfortable and noisy I switched to a Nemo tensor not even in the same realm of comfort. I also have a sea to summit ether light xt and it's heavy but best pad comfort I have slept on.

As a 1'58" I've found that the way the pad is structured makes more of a difference for me than having full width. I think it depends a lot on your sleeping style. I really like the thermarest pads at regular width but can't handle the nemo or S2S style that narrow.

I have a few but I use my thermarest neo air x lite the most.

I have a regular xlite, I got cold and uncomfotable so I bought the largest xtherm. I never use the xlite anymore. Money well spent.

This seems perfect for me. I switched from a Tensor to an XLite for the weight savings, but just cannot get comfortably with the baffle design. I'm concerned about its durability, but otherwise this seems like the pad for me.

For actual comfort I go with a long/wide neoair xlite, Sea to Summit deluxe pillow (the one with the down topper), and a long/wide Katabatic quilt. The way I sleep I deflate the pillow a decent amount to get it how I want it.

My thermarest xlite is a pound, 25” wide, and I can take it down to like 25-30F very comfortably. Finding that for anywhere near $100 new would be incredible

Find anything remotely comparable to an xlite on alibaba and it’ll be a hit.

I sleep fantastically on a Therm-a-Rest neo air xlite, but plenty of people prefer vertical baffles like exped pads have.

I have no complaints about the XLite. I do recommend getting a wide pad if you're even a semi-wide person, because your arms falling off the pad all night sucks. Check REI's used gear section for pretty awesome deals. That's where a lot of my pads have come from over the years. I got a wide XLite NXT that seemed brand new for $160 a few weeks ago.

I have both pads, notice no difference in comfort, and sleep equally well on either one. Guess I’m just an easy sleeper - certainly after a long hike!

The (discontinued) Thermarest X-Lite torso length (125cm) is only slightly heavier at 250gr, but is more durable (30D) and warmer (R3.2).

My valve failed on the first trip I used it on. It's an easy fix to replace the valve, but still... Mind you, my Exped mat has never been the same since I camped in a prickle patch.

Thermarest Neoair Xlite Nxt weighs 13oz (370g) with a decent R-value of 4.5. Won't be as durable as heavier options, however. An Outdoor Research Helium Bivy (17oz, 480g) is less of a coffin than most bivvies due to the single pole it uses. You will have more condensation in some conditions, but it will be lighter than any tent. Total volume of these two together will be <1/4 the volume of your current setup.

I've used 2 different pads around 3.9-4R (separately, not together.) both are fine in terms of warmth. They are thermorest xlite women's And Big Agnes insulated air core. The main difference is that big Agnes is way heavier and comfier.

I have both and the NXTs are considerably quieter, though I don’t think the old version is as bad as people made it out to be.

Yeah, and I am not entirely sure which model the older one is. I got it from REI garage sale a couple of years ago.

I have this, too. Are you sure it wasn’t holding air, or is it possibly that just due to the temp changes it becomes a little less full in the middle of the night? Mine doesn’t leak, but usually around 2 am I’ll notice my pillow and pad both need a few breaths to top them back off.

I’m 6’1 and occasionally use my 47” xlite short pad for short weekend trips. It’s comfortable enough to get SOME sleep, but I would never bring it on a thru hike.

Supposedly the new gen of XLites (the NXTs) is much quieter. I've seen video of the old ones, and they sound like a plastic bag. I have an Uberlite and XLite, and I would not describe either as loud. Maybe go to a shop and try some there?

It sounds like your pad is too narrow for you. I have the wide version of the Neoair Xlite and I sleep like a baby on it.

https://preview.redd.it/v4v1re89ilse1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b883fa015819120b1895bcf606762f79507450d **BA Camp Master Deluxe** replaces **Mountain Equipment Aerostat 7.0 (** weight 770g, 30D poly, R value 4, 7 cm thick). I have tried this mattress for 4 nights, one night with the temperature dropping down to -1c. My last 3 pads are: Thermarest NeoAir Lite, Mountain Equipment Aerostat 7.0, Exped Megamat 10 LW. Impression so far: Campmeister Deluxe is quiet, as comfortable as Exped Megamat 10 LW, relatively light, and on paper durable, -1c no problem. The pack size of Megamat is way bulkier. I had to deflate it a bit so as not to wake up with a slight side pain. I also get a slight side pain after a night on Megamat, thus, it is not so much the fault of the mattress, it has to do with my sensitive, aged body. My sleeping bag is the army style Defence 4 synthetic, with comfort temp at -9c for women. Note, with a regular, better mattress at home, I get no back pain. priority 1. Comfort -- 'case I am old 2. Durability 3. R value -- 'caes I hike in northern part of northern Europe 4. pack size 5. weight 6. color -- color that blends in the nature, as I love stealth, army-style hiking. I was considering the following, all with a R value of 5 or higher |product|Weight gram|package size|price USD|made of| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |BA Camp Master Deluxe LW|992||281|70D nylon| |Expeed megamat 10 LW|2200|67 x 22 cm|261|| |Expeed Versa 5R LW|1045||191|75D poply| |Expeed Dura 5R LW|1150||201|75D/170D poly| |Thermarest ModoKing 3D|1990|66 x 26 cm|299|50D/75D| |Nemo Tensor All-season|580||260|40D nylon|

Most of the negative reviews I’ve seen for the Rapide have been for the model that came out for 2024. I bought a used model for that reason, and so far so good, I’m sleeping much better than I did on my Thermarest Neoair. Taking it out next week for the first time with lows in the 30° range, fingers crossed. Also a side sleeper here.

I've only had excellent experiences with their customer support. Shipped me a replacement valve in South Africa, and then a whole new pad in Idaho. A friend has had them replace the same purchase three times.

Take aquasure glue and tenacious tape for repairs. I've used mine almost every night since July. That solves most issues.

It's kinda weird. I had a women's xlite that was decently quiet, my wife had the same model. Then it got a baffle that broke and they sent a new one that was extremely loud. It sounded like sleeping on a bag of chips. Far louder than the one my wife has. Then that one got a whole and they replaced it with an xlite NXT and it's far quieter. Even less than hers that was already pretty good. So they've gotten better by a lot. But at some point they had a terrible batch in between good and great.

It's kinda weird. I had a women's xlite that was decently quiet, my wife had the same model. Then it got a baffle that broke and they sent a new one that was extremely loud. It sounded like sleeping on a bag of chips. Far louder than the one my wife has. Then that one got a whole and they replaced it with an xlite NXT and it's far quieter. Even less than hers that was already pretty good. So they've gotten better by a lot. But at some point they had a terrible batch in between good and great.

Same here. When I did my life's biggest hike thus far, I was in my early 20's, very close to being underweight, and had zero injuries. Sleeping on a Z-Lite was a no-brainer, and I was comfortable on it. Now, I'm tickling the upper limit of the normal weight range, I have to arrange my legs in a certain way to avoid knee pain, have one shoulder prone for a nerve getting pinched, and one elbow that won't go straight. My Thermarest NeoAir enables me to get a decent night of sleep out there.

I was happy with a foam pad in my 20's, when I was almost underweight and had zero sports injuries. Nowadays, hovering at the top end of the normal weight BMI range, and with a couple of joints that need to be placed in a very delicate way to achieve a comfy position, I've got a Thermarest Neoair, a version warm enough for winter use but also perfectly comfortable during summer. I've pathced it once, and the patch has been sitting there for at least four years without a problem. I'm a side sleeper. I think if I could sleep on my back, I might still be using foam.

Helinox ultra lite cot paired with a Neoair lite NXT mat, thankfully if I get an issue I can fall back on one of them...both together and I get a perfect nights sleep, just one of them and it an okay night's sleep...I've experimented!

I have an older short x-lite which is only 120 cm, it seems they have changed the shape. Might be worth looking into an older one on market place or something!

I really liked my xlite nxt. I’m tall so got the long version. At first I was upset that I had to get the wider version which weighed more, but it was very comfortable to sleep on and I’d generally recommend a 25” wide pad. I’ve used it down to about 25 degrees and it was fine. I’m also a side sleeper and enjoy it, but I’ve heard different from others. It might be that I’ve only had experiences with that and a cheap pad from cabelas that had massive gaps that let the gold ground through, so take that for what it’s worth.

I’ve heard lots of complaints about its comfort, but I’ve loved my neoair xlite nxt. I got the large size, so I can comfortably fit on it. The width wise baffles aren’t that bad for me. It’s not that loud at all since it’s the newer version, and it’s stupid light for a 4.5 r-value. I’ve taken it to about ~25ish (F) and been fine.

I've been comfortable on 1/4" foam for 500 miles on the CDT through New Mexico (mostly under pine trees) but not on 1/8" foam which I used on my first PCT hike as a backup for my XLITE which leaked out the valve all through Washington, leaving me on the ground multiple times per night, waking me up every hour or so. Personally I like 6 panels of 3/4" zlite (~5 oz) for a bit of a safety margin. One way for you to test both would be to bring a full-length 1/8" pad that you can fold in half into a torso-length 1/4" on a training hike and see what you like. Site selection is obviously important, and for a 1/8" you may want to find/dig a dip for your hip. What is your level of experience and where are you planning to hike?

I use an Xlite and am a side sleeper. I found that switching pillows helped any shoulder/neck discomfort. I now use a pillowcase (Thermarest Trekker) that I stuff with my clothes/sacks/jackets etc and it has helped immensely. I can actually sleep comfortably on my nemo switchback now. Another trick I've learned is to not inflate the pad completely. I will blow it up all the way then let a little bit of air out at a time until it's slightly more squishy than normal.

They're all good pads. I find them all comfortable in their own ways. Exped has the nicest fabric, but it's also the thickest which I don't really like. The Nemo tensor is the overall most comfortable, no nonsense, best of all worlds. The Xlite is my favorite however. I like the horizontal baffles. The new NXT version isn't as loud as its predecessors. The mummy shape is tapered in the perfect places unlike Expeds mummy pads, I prefer it over rectangular ones.

I would get the thermarest. I have one and I've never been cold on it and slept under 30° multiple times. The big Agnes pad I had as well. I found that the side baffles elevated my arms a little that it made it uncomfortable.

The inflatable changed my life. I went to REI where I could try out a bunch and see what felt best. Are there any outfitters near you where you can try a bunch out like that? There are a lot of factors that contribute to warmth, weight, and comfort. So, do your research. The thickness and width really make a difference to comfort. The material makes a difference too. Some people care about the valve and how quick you can inflate and deflate. Durability is important. Obviously weight matters. I think my long wide thermarest xlite is around 17oz, and it’s worth every oz to me compared to just a foam pad.

Another vote for the Thermarest NeoAir

I'm thinking about picking this up for my PCT thru next year. I tried the XLite, instantly got 5+ holes on the first night of a 3-night trip and it really soured my perception of the pad. I ended up using it for 60 nights after I patched every hole, but I was using a groundsheet a lot of the time after that. Picked up the Exped Ultra 3R next and man that thing is durable, quiet, and comfortable. If you look at the Ultra 5R Mummy, it's only like 3oz heavier than the XLite and the durability and comfort of those vertical baffles seem to win out for me.

I hiked 2023 and had a few nights in May (yes in th desert) and many in Sept/ early October where it was sub freezing at night and snowing. I had a 15 degree katabatic quilt w the thermarest xlite (the yellow pad w 5.4 R value). Paired with merino wool leggings and long sleeve + down booties and a beanie. Even on the COLDEST nights in the Sierra in September (we did a flip) I was warm! Hope this can help :)

I’ve gone back and forth…recently I had 2 neoairs (a regular and a wide) both with leaks in my gear storage. I patched the wide and took it on a 5 day trip in the Grand Canyon, in which it failed on night 1. I’ve also had trouble with customer support and warranties. I 100% sleep better on them when they work, and I like the smaller volume since I use a 20 liter pack often. That said, If reliability matters (a thru) and money matters, ccf all the way

I’ve gone back and forth…recently I had 2 neoairs (a regular and a wide) both with leaks in my gear storage. I patched the wide and took it on a 5 day trip in the Grand Canyon, in which it failed on night 1. I’ve also had trouble with customer support and warranties. I 100% sleep better on them when they work, and I like the smaller volume since I use a 20 liter pack often. That said, If reliability matters (a thru) and money matters, ccf all the way

Have to say I've never felt the ExPed mats are particularly noisy as far as sleeping mats go!? What are your friends sleeping on? The Therm-A-Rests have always been notoriously noisy - tho I can't speak for their new, supposedly quieter generation of mats... I have the OG Neo light & that's orders of magnitude louder than the ExPed.

I have the Xped 5R... It's _very_ comfortable and warm (much much warmer than I would ever need if I didn't plan on going down below 5°c!). But it's a _little_ bit chunkier and heavier than I might like if I wasn't in need of the warmth. XLite is lighter and more compact, but significantly less comfortable IMHO, also very warm. Can't speak to the Nemo personally. My summer pad is the [Kilos Gear Aerocloud UL](https://kilosgear.com/products/aerocloud-sleeping-pad-ul) and I really rate it; comfortable, lightweight, compact, and honestly surprisingly warm still, never really even felt the cold until it got down below 0°c - & obvs _much_ cheaper than the other options you've listed. Comfort is a little bit of a personal preference based on your physique and sleep preferences; but I would certainly recommend the kilos gear pad. Sorry to give you even more options 😂

For a rainy bikepacking trip, definitely go for a lightweight, waterproof tent like MSR or Big Agnes. A synthetic sleeping bag and an inflatable sleeping pad like Therm-a-Rest will keep you dry and comfortable. You’ll be good to go with that setup!

Yeah my first was thermarest. Didn’t like. I do enjoy my Nemo tensor and I just ordered a switchback closed foam from Nemo now! Are you a side sleeper??

Will do. But all this stuff is pretty idiosyncratic and my experience may not be super helpful for you. I sleep pretty fine on my xlite (4.5 r-value) into the 20s. So I wanted something to take me to more extreme temps.

Xlite doesn’t have durability issues. The now-discontinued “uberlight” had durability issues. The xlite is the industry standard for durability/warmth/weight.

Fwiw my family just got back from 3 nights camping in the Smokies with my wife and I sharing a tent. My Neoair NXT is significantly quieter than her older neoair xlite. That fact alone wouldn’t be the deciding factor for me, though. Hers is like 0.3oz lighter but mine apparently has a higher R-value and the valve inflates/deflates significantly faster.

Fwiw my family just got back from 3 nights camping in the Smokies with my wife and I sharing a tent. My Neoair NXT is significantly quieter than her older neoair xlite. That fact alone wouldn’t be the deciding factor for me, though. Hers is like 0.3oz lighter but mine apparently has a higher R-value and the valve inflates/deflates significantly faster.

I hiked in 2015 and kept both the NeoAir Xlite and the folding foam pad. The folding foam pad is equivalent to no less than the towel from Hitchhiker's Guide. It's good for SO MANY THINGS and its a priority item for anything longer than 8ish miles. My BW was around 16-17lbs if I'm remembering correctly and if you consider the pad to be a luxury item my other luxury item was my Kindle and I'll never do long-distance backpacking without either again.

My Thermarest neo-air xlite popped on my second night on the trail, making for a very uncomfortable night. I repaired it in Mt. Laguna, but when I got to Julian I sent it home and bought a foam pad at the outfitter there. Not as comfortable, but comfortable enough, and anxiety free.

Had one and was excited in the beginning. It is so light to carry around and was very comfy too. Unfortunately after the third night in the wilderness I had a failure. The chambers started to open up. I couldn't do anything so I had to abort my trip. It might have been bad luck or wrong handling. I also got the impression that if you blow it up very firmly and then lie on it, the pressure of your body or also the air that you warm up during the night, increase the inside pressure of the sleeping pad. Do not know what was wrong with the Xlite NXT. Had an Exped pad for about 10 years before the Thermarest and no failure... but who knows... maybe my luck just turned ;-)

same. AT - used regular Xlite Now - going to buy wide Xtherm

+1 for draft/air. An option I haven't seen mentioned yet that reduces convection (i think the correct word...) heat loss from air movement is a [tyvek bag wrapper](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832777524224.html). I current use this one from aliexpress. It adds a ton of warmth in my experience. WAY more than a bag liner. And pretty light. Fairly bulky though. I also have to sleep with my down puffy + expedition weight long undies (both montbell, highly recommend) even in summer, even when the night low is 15f higher than my quilt 'comfy' rating lol another montbell shoutout: down pants. SO WARM. And have to switch to a full on heavy ass winter mummy bag when it is freezing or below. starting tonight sadly... Personally I dont find I get cold from my pad. Even in snow camping. I just use a standard xlite nxt. in summer use the uberlite

I've been using both the Helix and the Xlite NXT--the former is much heavier, but so much more comfortable in my opinion. I just returned the Xlite. If you value comfort over the weight, Helix is the way to go.

I’m a side sleeper and pretty heavy, I’ve had no issues getting a good night’s sleep on my XLite (large size). Previously had a self-inflating Thermarest as well (think it’s called “Trail Scout” or something like that) and that was significantly less comfortable. Edit to add: One thing that took me a while to realize with the XLite is that it’s worthwhile (for me I’d say necessary) to take two mins once you’ve inflated it to really dial in the right firmness. At least for me, there’s a pretty narrow sweet spot based on weight, body shape, and personal preference but finding that perfect level makes a world of difference.

I'm 5'6" and sleep cold! Here's my set-up: - Thermarest Neoair Nxt (4.5 r value) - Rei Magma 15 in the regular size (not a lot of extra space) - Sea to Summit sleeping bag liner (reactor extreme) - Thrifted cashmere sleep shirt - Dedicated sleep pants - Dedicated sleep socks - Beanie and buff to cover my face - Occasionally I'll throw on my puffy and fleece if I get cold or add them to my sleeping bag for added warmth - 1-2 hot hands added to my bag as needed. My whole set-up probably weighs 6ish lbs, but I always bring it. I can comfortably drop down to the low 20s with this and I can easily turn layers into a pillow/treat my sleeping bag as a quilt if it's warmer outside. I'd rather be warm and carry more weight than drop weight and suffer. I highly, highly recommend a liner and dry clothes.

I've been trying different sleeping pads the last few years and still haven't found one that works. I've tried the Nemo tensor, thermarest neoair xlite nxt, and REI helix. I always end up switching between side sleeping and back sleeping multiple times during the night. I've noticed the nxt (my current pad) has been giving me lower back sores. I can reduce it a little by deflating the bag. But I've deflated it to the point my shoulder touches the ground during side sleep. Anybody else have this issue with another pad recommendation? I would like to keep it around 20 oz or less for a wide version. Thanks!

I've used S.I and Sea to Summit pads in Norway and microtears are definitely real with S.I. I switched to Thermarest NeoAir Xlite and I love it, it is very warm, packs tiny and it weighs under 350g. If you hate the bouncy air mat feel, try Exped Synmat or Downmat. Their baffle design feels more stable and the Downmat is perfect for cold Norwegian nights. Air mat punctures are rare if you're careful where you set them up.

Yes the NeoAir has a decent balance it is lighter than S.I. and not too bouncy, especially with a thin foam mat underneath. If you want more stability, you could look into the Exped Ultra 5R or Synmat HL as good middle-ground options.

Nemo, S2S, Thermarest are all good choices. I have the neoair xlite nxt. However it's not the cheapest so depending on your budget I wouldn't necessarily recommend. You can get good deals on r/geartrade, check the used section of your rei as well if you have one nearby.

I just tested my system in 7f (-13 C) weather the other night, I layered a Thermarest Xlite NXT with a Nemo Switchback. Put the Ccf pad on top as that's what I've seen recommended due to potential heat loss through the sides of the Inflatable mat. I had a 10f and 20f quilt doubled up and I slept incredibly warm, bordering on sweating and had to take off layers multiple times throughout the night. Woke up still toasty. So that's an R Value of estimated 6-6.5 combined and I was also using quilts so nothing other then the pads under me. Theoretically this system could go down to -10f (-23 C) but haven't tried that yet. Based how warm I slept in just base layers I could certainly imagine that being true.

I don't have experience with the Xtherm but understand it's considered a solid winter solution. Owning a high R value pad is nice because it won't be "too hot" in the summer, so it covers all the seasons. I just added the Ccf pad because I already had bought the Xlite before I knew I wanted to do some winter camping. I also see people arguing that having a foam pad makes as a failsafe backup. The inflatable pad can fail but the foam one is failproof, it cannot pop. The Xtherm could get a hole and then you'd be in worse situation. Plus you can use it as a sitting pad, and also put it behind your back under your pack for more comfort. So it's a bit more multipurpose. Having it under your air pad can give it extra protection from punctures too, but seems that having it above the air pad will insulate better.

Personally not comfy on NeoAir style pads. Had various models from Thermarest, Nemo, Exped. The low-tech Gossamer Air Beam almost passed the test. So went back to self-inflating. For summer I use a torso sized Prolite Plus with lower legs on pack; for winter a full length of the same on ½" CCF. I find the 3.2 Prolite subjectively warmer than a 4.5 Xlite. YMMV

I read quite a few reviews if the nemo Tensor that it fails/leaks, and that it's potato-chip bag loud! The pad noise is something I really hate, so I would have to touch this in store to check personally. I bought the NeoAir years ago based on the hype, but found that it's so ridiculously loud I can't use it!

what others said already - I would look into Nemo Xtreme or Therm-a-rest Neo-Air/NXT, and look only at 25" (wide) options for comfort and better sleep at only a nominal weight increase. Uberlite (now discontinued) is the only lighter option really and otherwise Nemo and Thermarest are pretty comparable in their lineups, it comes down to shape of the pad (I prefer square, some like mummy) and shape of baffles. CCF is just not thick enough for warmth/comfort, and self-inflatable are heavier and not as warm. I am also surprised nobody really makes a R value =3-4 but much lighter than 1lb wide pad, I think it must meant that the thermal reflective foil inside doesn't weigh much and most of the weight is related to durability of the outer shell, once the company can figure out the reflective foil matrix, they can sell that product at a better margin for similar weight/durability as the same model without the thermal foil inside. Hence the death of Uberlight (?) Here's a recently updated article from Backpacking Light: [https://backpackinglight.com/inflatable-sleeping-pads-backpacking-ultralight-lightweight/](https://backpackinglight.com/inflatable-sleeping-pads-backpacking-ultralight-lightweight/)

It is not worth it as long as you can sleep and truly rest on a closed cell foam pad. that is definitely a more reliable pad, but that is not something many of us could never do. just because of how uncomfortable it is and for the condition it might leave our body in after laying that way without support so long. I will say this, though my thermos Neo air has never had a reliability issue and I’ve probably used it 60 - 70 nights so far.

You know any of those is fine. So, just choose the cheapest. But, for what it’s worth, I’m a pro guide and me and my colleagues all use xlite. I like thermarest because I’ve used their air mattresses for 30 years and I think that Cascade Designs is more advanced with their R and D due to their longevity.

6’4’ 240 lb big boy here. I’m a pro guide and generally go out for a week at a time to Appalachian Trail, Grand Canyon, eastern Sierra. I have used a neoair xlite for the past 3 years and it has been really reliable. I guess I’ve had the opposite experience as you. I did order an Uber lite once but with my size I didn’t feel good about its durability although it was insanely compact and lightweight.

I have an xlite from a few years back and it is truly one of my best pieces of equipment. I’m a pro guide and most of my colleagues use the same. Not sure how that compares to current stock. They look the same.

For another option... I had a sea to summit etherlite xt for 5 years and loved it. Eventually died. Tried saving weight and got a neoair xlite nxt. Hated it and it broke within a month. Crinkly and uncomfortable. Went back to the sea to summit and it's good.

Thermarest Xlite is compact but still fairly durable as long as you are careful with it. Also these pads can generally be patched fairly easily. Nothing is going to beat a foam pad in the durability department tho.

I wonder if you didn’t overinflated the Xlite, I find it pretty comfortable… unless it’s overinflated

If you’re a side sleeper and put one of your knees out for stability (like the recovery position), I’d recommend a rectangular pad, or at least a wide version of a mummy. I can’t keep all my limbs on my standard mummy Xlite and also frequently fall off it. Makes it awfully uncomfortable and I’ll change it when I can.

Thermarest neoair xlite nxt wide is great. I was using the STS Ether Light XT which is super comfy but heavy and a little cold. The NXT is amazing for me even as a side sleeper. This version is 3 inches thick instead of the old 2.5, and the chip bag noise has been seriously muted. I think most complaints are about the old version. Still worth it for the wide imo Edit: the pumpsack is worthless, find another option. I cut the valve out of it to use as an adapter for my exped schnozzel which doubles as a pack liner.

I've a 2012 TR Neo Air Woman size with approx ~12k trail and root miles with three Seam Grip dabs fixing pinhole leaks. And I'm a desert and mountain rat. Ive a 2016 EE quilt like new. I typically get 3 k miles out of Dyneema pack. I'm still using sil and Dyneema cat tarps bought 10 + yrs ago. And, I'm a yr round backpacker. This speaks to the user taking care of their gear and using it under the parameters it was designed. Not buying gear as much saves $ to do more trips.

Back and side to side ....neo air Xlite woman's size...I've been using it it for 9,10 yrs original one. Has multiple dabs(~8) of McNetts Seam Grip patching where pin prick holes were fixed.

Once again it goes to backpacking style in large part. I hike often 20+ hrs before stopping although 10 min breaks are ok every 2 -3 hrs. I cowboy camp alone most times in privacy. I don't fk with a device before sleep although I may journal. I review what happened that day and evaluate the next in my mind or looking at a map. I stop, eat, and am asleep in 30 mins or less. I've no blaring health issues. I can sleep on a slab, bivy on a ledge, sleep on an old forest road, or find a spot in the desert or beach sand. I'm fking tired when I stop. Put on repeat. I do that for wks even months on a thru. I've learned to sleep on a 20" wide polycro ground sheet, 3/8" CCF or TR Xlite.

The suggestion of a rental is a good idea if you currently aren’t interested in making this a hobby! If you are looking to buy, however, the foam Therm-o-Rest pads are the classic camping pad that everyone owns one of. They z-fold up into a rectangular stack and are relatively light and cheap. I’m 40 and need a little extra cushion on the trail these days, so I use an air mattress. Therm-o-rest has some decent priced air mattresses, but they are a little spartan compared to some of the more expensive air mattresses.

I have had good experiences with customer support and have had no issues with this pad so far-----not the most comfortable but light and rolls up very small

I agree with everything jrice said. In addition, you can vastly improve the sleeping bag weight. For budget recommendations, I would say the [aegismax windhard quilt](https://hz.ru.aliexpress.com/item/3256804730003792.html). There are multiple models, but make sure it's the 10 denier fabric with 800 fill power. The 23F regular is 18 oz; no other gear choice is going to save you 49oz for that little extra money, maybe even spring for the 18F. Aliexpress has coupons for various holidays; I'm not sure what all of them are but at least one of them is the 11/11 holiday; for a $100+ order, I'd wait for a $15 off coupon to come up. You can also improve on the pack weight. I know it's hard to justify if you already have the Jade but I've seen the REI Flash Air for 30% off (so low $200s) during one of their 20% sales. That's a savings of 26-27oz. Another pack to consider is the kakwa; it's a good pack for the money. Drop the rain cover; use a compactor bag as a liner. For the sleeping pad, I'd figure out how to get the best deal on a thermarest xlite. Wait for the REI 20% sale, buy some REI giftcards off [raise.com](http://raise.com) giftcard exchange for 15% off; that should take it below $150. Savings of 17oz and an R value of 4.5. You might not need the zoleo. If you have an iphone 14 or newer or a Pixel 9 or Galaxy S25 /w Verizon or tmobile, there should be some satellite messaging ability. [https://www.techlicious.com/guide/all-the-phones-that-have-satellite-messaging/](https://www.techlicious.com/guide/all-the-phones-that-have-satellite-messaging/)

Your pad will pop. I’d almost bet on it.  I took and Xlite and a 1/8th and loved having them both. The 1/8th gets so much use throughout the day.

ccf pad cut down to size for the doggo, and an inflatable pad (xlite or tensor) for you next to it -- or get used to sleeping on ccf pads too if that wouldn't be good enough and she couldn't be taught to accept it

I have a tensor, xlite, and exped 3r -- I think they're all reasonably comfortable, although tensor probably at least 10% more comfy than both. Expeds can be bought cheap (sometimes $100), but if that's not the main concern it's between the tensor and xlite: tensor has 40d bottom and 20d top, xlite is 30d/30d; tensor is 5.5r / xlite is 4.5r; tensor (r/w) is 18oz, xlite max is 19oz. Historically the xlite has been considered more durable + repairable, but with the new fabric changeup recently, not sure that'll still be the case. Tensor is probably what I'd recommend to you. Also, trial version exists that is lighter but less warm (~3r) which could be warm enough for you.

I'm actually a stomach sleeper and find the xlite very comfortable for that, although the noise is definitely an issue when sleeping without a thin pillow. I do think the tensor is slightly more comfortable, but I have to get the air pressure just right, more-so than the xlite. Interesting we have different experiences like that!

The Xtherm Max is probably what you actually want. As a fellow tall guy, this big square high r-value design is comfortable enough to warrant the weight penalty. You could do a long Xlite as well—it’s only one pound—and still have a massive improvement over the Klymit, which is not a great pad imo.

Hello everyone. In mid-July I went on a bike trip through the French Alps from Geneva to Nice and decided to sleep most nights in a tent. My tent is a Naturehike Cloud 1p weighing around 1300 grams. I have a previous generation Therm-a-Rest Xlite sleeping pad and it is very uncomfortable for me. It is narrow, 51 cm, and very slippery, and although I am thin and not tall, I wake up minimum 10 times a night and often my body or legs ends up on the bottom of the tent because I simply fall off the pad. I also have only two sleeping bags:an Aegismax down sleeping bag from AliExpress with a comfort temperature of +10C and a second S2S Spark IV with a comfort temperature of -8C. Last year I slept in July in the Italian Alps at an altitude of 1600 m and I was cool in the Aegismax sleeping bag, especially in the morning at 5-6 AM I could no longer sleep normally because of the cold. I want to have a good rest during the trip, as there are big climbs ahead and I will be very tired every day and sleep is very important for recovery. Please advise a light and warm enough sleeping bag and pad. I am also considering a Quilt instead of a sleeping bag as an alternative and weight saver, but I have no experience with it before. Of the mats, I have now paid attention to the new Therm-a-rest Xlite NXT regular/wide, but on the forums people still write that it is very slippery. I also see the popular BA Rapide SL mats, but they are much colder than the manufacturer claims and there is a problem with the insulating foil. The second option that I paid attention to is the Nemo Tensor Trail Ultralight Insulated Sleeping Pad, but I am not sure that the R-Value 2.8 is a good enough indicator. I will be grateful for any help.

Take them both 100%. The thinlight stops the neoair from moving/ sliding around, or sharp sticks puncturing it. Thinlight is great back up if neo air pops. It’s so light, it does double duty for stretching, fast breaks, extra backing in frameless pack. Take it!( I’ve many with it on the PCT)

The weight savings looks nice compared to my Xlite with 3 pin holes in it, but I don't think I want to go from 30d to 10d..

Neo air xlite by thermorest

For me it really depends what I'm doing and where I'll be sleeping. If I'm sleeping on relatively flat, manicured ground or snow I bring my inflatable Neoair, it's smaller, lighter and warmer. If however I might end up on rocky ground or am climbing something where a bivy isn't intended, but is a possibility I bring my z-lite as I can use it anywhere. So ultimately I'd recommend buying both if you intend to be sleeping on both rocky ground and snow.

It’s like a gamble. For me I’ve been using a NeoAir for a 2000 mile thru hike plus another 500 miles since than with no . Maybe mine was made on a Wednesday. Never buy a pad made on a Monday or Friday.

The Thermarest NeoAir is indeed lighter. At just 12 ounces the semi-mummy arguably the best quality sleeping pad in this range and weight. But it's also not cheap. The NeoAir Xtherm is the cold weather version, R 7.4, and 16 oz. The Nemo Tensor Extreme is rectangle, R 8.1, and 18 oz. Both the Thermarest and Nemos are quieter than they were in the past. Also, the more you use them, the more quiet they get. Agree the Thermarest pump sack is the worst of the bunch, no question, but I've gotten mine to work enough. The Rapide is usually warm enough for most people 3 seasons, and the reason to buy it is indeed it's thickness, and the sides being raised. Agree the Exped 5R is good for most people. It's a simple, comfortable, rectangle. R 4.8, and 1lb 4 oz. That's certainly heavier than the Thermarest but $50 cheaper.

Older 2.5" Xlite large has done well for me. I inflate to a decently firm level and sleep well on my back and sides.

New neo-air reputed to be much quieter. Instability might be the result of over inflation. Was for me with my older (circa 2020) model. Let air out until you hip is just barely off the ground. Might still not be the pad for you, but check it out again with the wife’s pad. Edit to add: my old version did get quieter as I put more nights on it. Maybe 50-100 and it’s lost some of the crinkle sound. Moot point probably.

I took both. Used em together and separately. You just won’t notice the weight.

Which Xlite do you have? I replaced the previous Xlite that had the older cylinder-type valve with the newer, thicker current NXT that has the Winglock valve. I find it much more comfortable (it's thicker) and easier to use. Some people really like pads like the BA Rapide SL and the Expeds because the vertical orientation of baffles allow them to make the pad thicker at the edges to hold you on the pad. I'm just not a fan of the type of valves used on those pads.

Therm-a-Rest doesn’t make many truly comfortable sleeping pads, and the NeoAir XLite NXT is no exception. Most people buy it for its extremely low weight and impressive warmth-to-weight ratio—not for comfort. While it receives generally positive reviews, that praise is usually based on specs rather than real-world sleep quality. If you plan to use it, be prepared to get used to sleeping uncomfortably. If you're after a sleeping pad that's actually comfortable but still relatively lightweight (unlike heavier options like the NeoLoft), consider the Sea to Summit Ether Light XR—the updated version of the XT. It’s arguably one of the most comfortable lightweight pads available and packs down smaller than its predecessor. For summer use, the Big Agnes Zoom UL is worth considering. If the Ether Light XR scores a 10 for comfort, the Zoom UL might rank around a 7. It’s significantly lighter, but its real-world R-value is closer to 2–3, making it less suitable for cooler nights. A step up in comfort and warmth would be the Big Agnes Rapide SL, which rates about an 8/10 for comfort and provides better insulation—though it still falls short of its advertised specs. Another solid option is the Nemo Tensor (All-Season or Trail versions). These pads offer a realistic R-value, are slightly lighter than the Ether Light XR, and nearly as comfortable—comfort rating around 8/10. They're a great middle ground for those who prioritize both comfort and weight.

NeoAir XLite before the NXT update? God no, it wasn't just uncomfortable, it was also as noisy as a bag of chips. How and why do you like this one? There are so many more comfortable pads :D

> I'm close to getting a Thermarest Xtherm, which I probably will as it seems ideal to me, unless convinced otherwise. Good call. I vaguely prefer a torso-length CCF paired with a ThermaRest XLite to build in a bit of redundancy, but the XTherm has fantastic warmth for weight, and we don't hear about many issues. This is a sound choice for sure. Consider a wide. I don't mind "regular" width pads, even as a big guy, but people often find them shockingly small. Think seriously about the dimensions. For -10C, I'd strongly recommend a mummy bag, with a hood. Quilts are a great weight savings, but even a lot of experienced people prefer mummy bags as the temperature dips meaningfully below freezing. Where are you ordering to and what's the budget for the bag? (Tariffs and shipping will probably guide the selection process.)

Do you have a regular width or wide? I found a big difference in comfort between wide and regular. The regular felt like a balloon I couldn't balance on while the wide is quite comfy. I agree with other commenters that the Exped Ultra is even more comfortable, but I personally find the Xlite a better balance of weight, comfort, and warmth.

Yes I’ve stuck with the Xlite NXT

I used the 1/8 with my xlite, 0 pops for the entire length of the PCT! And it was a bomb pad for siestas/breaks

I think the Thermarest XLite NXT is a fantastic pad, very light, comfy and warm, new model is much much less crinkly too. Been using Thermarest for years and they’ve been excellent.

I have been using Thermarest pads for a long time now and their latest XLite NXT is an absolute gem. So warm, so light and so comfy. I’ve had about 30 nights on it so far and had hundreds of nights of my old Xlite. They’ve been perfectly durable for me.

I think R of 3-4 is right for 3 season. Because it can get frosty in the autumn and the spring. Most of the time 2.5-3 will be plenty, but not all the time. I have been using Thermarest for years. I used to have an XTherm, an Xlite and an Uberlite. I upgraded my Xlite to the new NXT version and that has proven so good I sold my XTherm. I can use the Xlite nxt down to -5C and I’m plenty warm, if I was going any colder than that, I would take an additional CCF mat, not just for the extra warmth but also just in case I have a problem with my pad as a back up. On a budget I would recommend getting a 2nd hand Xlite of the previous generation. It’s a great pad and it’s very light for the warmth you get. They are a little crinkly but that never bothered me. I think the best pad for the job is the new Xlite NXT. It’s the same weight as the last one, but it’s quieter, even thicker and even warmer. But it isn’t cheap.

I think R of 3-4 is right for 3 season. Because it can get frosty in the autumn and the spring. Most of the time 2.5-3 will be plenty, but not all the time. I have been using Thermarest for years. I used to have an XTherm, an Xlite and an Uberlite. I upgraded my Xlite to the new NXT version and that has proven so good I sold my XTherm. I can use the Xlite nxt down to -5C and I’m plenty warm, if I was going any colder than that, I would take an additional CCF mat, not just for the extra warmth but also just in case I have a problem with my pad as a back up. On a budget I would recommend getting a 2nd hand Xlite of the previous generation. It’s a great pad and it’s very light for the warmth you get. They are a little crinkly but that never bothered me. I think the best pad for the job is the new Xlite NXT. It’s the same weight as the last one, but it’s quieter, even thicker and even warmer. But it isn’t cheap.

I bought mine from Amazon for peace of mind in case there was a problem. First one I bought leaked straight out of the box. Sent it back and got a replacement with no hassle. Have been using the replacement now for a couple of years with no issues.

Ha, same. Started with the 'ol cheapo Klymit Static V, moved to the small mummy Therm-a-Rest XLite NeoAir for a couple years, then figured I'd get a wide to see if that helped with side sleep comfort so my butt and knees weren't off the edges (& went extra warm because may as well eliminate redundancies) with the Therm-a-Rest XTherm in reg wide. No dice. Tried a friend's Nemo Tensor, and wasn't for me. Tried the large women's Sea to Summit Comfort Light Insulated air - dimples felt odd and was too thin; no better than my old mummy xlite for overall comfort even with the wider shape. Running out of budget to throw in for the S2S Ether Light XT test and given my experience with the Comfort Light, wasn't convinced it was the move. Still haven't tried vertical baffles like the Expeds, and maybe that'd do fine, but instead just went all in on the reg wide chonky Neoloft... and good god. With that soft knit stretch top, slept a like the coziest dreamy log for 8.5 hours first time I took it out (and then 6 the next, but only thanks to a disruptive woodpecker. Nature!) I hesitate to mention/recommend it here as it kinda undermines the whole forum topic (ultralight) with its extremely-not-ultralight weight. But packs just as small as my reg-wide XTherm and as a bike camper, pack size matters more than strictly weight so I'm sticking with it.

Hey! I found that not blowing my pad all the way makes it more comfortable for me! Maybe you could give it a try? + I got the RW version which really changes the game in width

I'm a side sleeper with hip pain at times and I prefer a CCF Nemo Switchback for sleep. I am planning on selling my barely used NeoAir Thermarest inflatable bc it always makes back and hip issues worse. Then again I'm someone who prefers to sleep on the floor over a bed bc it feels way better on my back. Good luck in your search!

I weigh around 170 and have had my current pad (a Therm-a-rest NeoAir) for over 10 years and it's still going strong. I use it roughly 30 nights per year. I roll it up, no stuff sack, and carry it in my pack. I sleep in a tent so my pad doesn't have direct ground contact when I'm sleeping, but I frequently take it out of the tent and put it on the ground so I can relax outside.

What's your head gear situation? Insulation similar to your quilt on your head is crucial to meeting the temp rating. Rec: Gryphon Gear Taurus (actual comfort rated) and hood, pad at +4.3. Note: I find I sleep colder on 25" pads as I have less contact w/pad and there is more air to "heat". Try bumping up with torso length ccf or a better pad. Xtherm ftw. Women's xlite is awesome at your height too. https://zpacks.com/products/goose-hood Or https://www.gryphongear.com/products/cold-weather-hoods

XLite was extremely uncomfortable for me to the point where I just sleep on a CCF pad instead.

I have a neo air - cost a bomb when I got it about ten years ago. Definitely worth it - warm and comfy! Before that I "borrowed" my auntie's thermarest back in 2003 - that was a few years old then. I think I only made one repair.

I don’t use one now because I’ve gotten a bit more comfortable sleeping on my back this past year. BUT back when I was a side sleeper I loved the Big Agnes Rapide SL Regular Wide. Quilted baffles were so comfy and it was THIQUE. Slightly weighty, but who gives a shit about UL if you can’t sleep and recover. Also wasn’t AS warm as Xlite, but not a big diff. Combined that with a similar two pillow method + sleep mask and ear plugs to Aromatic’s and I was OUT. Now I use a neo air xlite in shoulder season and a closed cell when things have thawed out because I sleep on my back more. I also second quilts. My Katabatibc 30 degree is toasty down into the 20’s and gives hella weight savings + roominess.

For me the thermarest warranty has been worth its weight in gold, it’s an inflatable product that’s exposed to the elements, they’ll all get damaged eventually but every interaction I’ve had with them has been amazing, no questions asked replacement or repair

I have a light weight thermarest neoair. Super small packed up. But thinking is there a just slightly wider version. I've used i a lot for a long time doing races but.... maybe more comfort is due. My arms fall off when on my back.

ThermaRest is the gold standard IMO. I’ve got several hundred nights on my Neo Air mattresses and they haven’t had a single leak or issue whatsoever. I’ve been let down in the past by other brands (Eureka, Big Agnes, Sea to Summit, MEC), but the ThermaRests are just rock solid. They’re the ONLY brand I’ll use now.

Light weight, durability, warranty coverage and customer service. I’ve got over 200 nights on my current ThermaRest Neo Air without a single leak or issue whatsoever. Heck, I still have 2 original self-inflating ThermaRests from the early 90s that still hold air just fine.

I’ve got 200+ nights on my current ThermaRest Neo Air with zero issues. My wife and kids have them too and theirs are still holding air too. I’ve heard good things about Exped, but ThermaRest is the only brand I trust. I’ve owned and been let down by inflatable pads from Big Agnes, Euerka, Klymit, MEC and Sea to Summit, but never by TR. shit, I’ve still got my original self-inflating version from the early 1990s and it still holds air perfectly. They’re just built so well and IMO stand the rest of time better than the others. Obviously you want to take good care of them though. I never sit on mine outside of the tent or unless it’s on a tarp.

Side sleeper. 20" is fine. In fact, if you want to fantasize about resizing pads, let's go smaller: I'd be happy to see more of a taper at the head too. On the occasions where I've travelled with a short Xlite, I turn it around so the taper is at my head and the 20" width is at my hips/thighs.

I like my Thermarest Neo-Air xLite. But am thinking of replacing it with a slightly heavier Kilos AeroCloud UL for more comfort and supposed durability. Plus I like that I can fill it with a lightweight pump sack.

R 3.8 so a little less than my Thermarest. But fine for normal camping. If I'm in cold shoulder season I put a CCF pad under the inflatable.

Sea-to-Summit Ether Light XT (25" Wide version) was a game changer for me after spending so many nights on a standard Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Xlite. They make an Extreme version with a higher 6.2 r-value, but the cost is about double ($240) what you want to spend. Can't put a price on good sleep when thru hiking though...

Interesting. My lightweight thermarest has been solid for 15+ years. I think you just have bad luck!

Do you sleep on your stomach? As a stomach sleeper I find the baffle construction of the Therm A Rest Neo Air Xlite very uncomfortable. I have to use it at a very low pressure for it to be somewhat bearable. It also feels too much like an air mattress and it’s noisy (which is especially bad as a stomach sleeper because your ear will be right on top of the mat).

I think with inflatable pads how much you inflate them makes a huge difference. I hate the baffle design of my Therm A Rest Neo Air XLite and have to use it at a fairly low pressure for comfort. Which makes the insulation way worse than its R-value would suggest. A CCF pad like the Z-Lite feels fairly firm and doesn’t seem to lose any insulation no matter how I’m lying on it. Does anyone know how R values are actually measured? Do they use a specific air pressure for inflatable pads and do they use some kind of weight to simulate compression?

Looks too thick and bouncy. Is it? My Therm-A-Rest Neo Air feels like an air mattress, sounds like a bag of crisps and doesn’t feel nice on the skin. I hate the thing and much prefer my girlfriend’s Trail Lite. If only it were not so heavy and big.

This. I have to use it at very low pressure for it to be somewhat comfortable. Low enough pressure that at first it looks like it has a leak and is only half inflated.

I gotta say having owned the rapide, REI Helix, and now the Xlite... I really think people claiming the baffles are significantly more comfortable are really exaggerating. I use the Xlite now and notice 0 discernable difference in sleeping between that and the others with a very noticeable reduction in weight. The new Xlites are now in line with all the others in terms of noise as well.

Just to offer a counterpoint to the majority of folks here: I carried an 1/8th inch pad until Damascus but did not find it to be necessary for protection if you’re even a little careful where you place your pad (I had an xlite). It was annoying to have the extra thing to carry when it didn’t feel that useful, so I ditched it and never regretted it. My xlite did puncture once, but it was at the top near the valve not on the bottom where you might expect. I also thought the foam would provide a little bit more warmth, but I’m not sure it was noticeable

I've had a neo air and it's light but noisy when turning. Just got a big Agnes (can't remember the model but the widest single insulated) and it's comfy and quieter when turning. Certainly heavier than the neoair though

My partner and I have the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Xlife NXT pads and have really liked them. That said, we started taking our baby on backpacking trips and got the Sea to Summit UL self inflating pad ([link](https://seatosummit.com/products/ultralight-self-inflating-sleeping-pad?variant=7896103780380&g_acctid=341-924-5076&g_adgroupid=&g_adid=&g_adtype=none&g_campaign=2+-+QRY+-+Consideration+-+Performance+Max+-+Sleeping+Bags%2FPads%2FLiners+-+BOF&g_campaignid=21175617820&g_keyword=&g_keywordid=&g_network=x&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=2-QRY-Consideration-PerformanceMax-AllProducts-BOFOnly&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiOy1BhDCARIsADGvQnAWkYeBCj1AYWlQ7oqjIEveOGtsxQhr8JGM7zaaaH_GRsDsP01EMzYaAvojEALw_wcB)) and loved it so much we picked up a couple of those for ourselves as well.

1) Patch your Xlite 2) If not working, buy a Nemo Switchback. Start with the full one and cut it down until you don't want to take anymore off. Enjoy a never popping pad. If too hard, double up for your torso

My Thermarest neoair doesn’t state in the instructions that you can’t inflate by mouth and I always have with no negative effects. There is a video online that provides empirical evidence debunking the belief that mouth inflation adversely affects sleeping pads

Foam pad is cheap and works well on snow, they insulate well. Only downside is bulk but it's doable. I've found a foam pad and a lightweight inflatable (I have the neoair xlite from therapist but there are many other options) to be a great combo - if it's really warm or I'm not on snow I ditch the foam to save space. But the foam adds warmth on snow, and it's a failsafe in case the inflatable pops or leaks. If you're on a really tight budget, you can just use a foam pad and nothing else. That's what I did my first season mountaineering in Washington. Got me through Mt Adams and the Ptarmigan Traverse just fine.

I used self inflating Thermarest pads for years, granted they were older models, but the NeoAir is much more comfortable for me as a side sleeper. Have you tried inflating it less? Sounds like you may have too much air in it

I'm I side sleeper I and have an older neo air, but I also use a thermarest z rest underneath and it makes all the difference in the world. If your hip touches the ground there is still foam there. And they way nothing and are nearly indestructible.

[here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/WildernessBackpacking/s/7vAF6wA3dd) some suggestions I made recently. None are UL really but neither is the pad you're coming from. Best bet is probably the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Xlite in the usual mummy size for best/lightest in the segment. Exped Ultra 5R is fantastic but decidedly not UL

Do you have a max budget? Do you have a good sleeping bag to pair it with? Any of the modern inflatable pads will fit in your bag unless you've brought enough other stuff to cross the continent on foot, lol Here's our experiences, though not a comprehensive review of everything on the market. TLDR probably get you an Exped Ultra 5R. Nemo Tensor: I am a flopper and tended to roll onto the edges, which made them collapse and dumped me onto the ground. Pad is comfortable otherwise. It does make quite the crinkly sound when moving. Exped Ultra 3R: probably a bit cold when temps are approaching the lower end of your range. Large side baffles (like the Big Agnes you linked, I think) keeps you from flinging yourself off the pad. Thick and comfortable. Fantatsic pump sack inflates the thing in like 20 seconds. Was entirely too cold for us where it gets colder than your range. Side note, it was paired with a Big Agnes sleeping bag which was horrible. Terrible bag. Exped Ultra 5R: all the pros of the 3R but warm enough! Great pad, my wife's current go-to. Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XLite MAX: or whatever the yellow rectangle \~5R one is. Lacks the side bolsters of the Exped and is thinner, but is very comfortable and IIRC lighter. Another great pad, my current go-to. Pump sack is beyond useless, too porous and leaks air instead of blowing into pad. I just blow it up by mouth. Generally, I've found we prefer rectangular pads. If you're with someone else and you both have rectangular pads - make sure they fit in your tent! Many tents are tapered and your feet will overlap which is super annoying

You should be good with the Neoair xlite. For your temps, it should be more than enough. If you plan on camping even colder, get the xtherm. The Xtherm is so warm it literally feels like im on a heated floor unless im directly on snow, even then it feels warm, its literally unusable in the summer.

Any inflatable can fail during a trip that long, but I haven't had any issue with mine. Also be warned that some people don't like the comfort of the Neoair, but I think it's fine.

About the same height and weight I think Used to use a Big Agnes Rapide SL, mega comfy Switched to a Thermarest xlite nxt as it's lighter, it's about 90% as comfy but a fair bit lighter to carry Side sleeper also, if you're not worried about the weight the Big Agnes is the one to go for imo

These days, even the xlite is too comfortable to be considered ultralight. If your not using a torso length 1/8in, you should be kicked out of the sub.

What is noisy for you with the All-Season? Generally, pads are noisy from internal insulation or from the shell material. It's hard to get away from shell material noise and mylar film is the best warmth to weight ratio insulation. For a lot of people, weight, warmth, and comfort are higher priorities than noise, which is why some of the noisier pads are the most popular. That being said, the Exped Ultra pads are pretty light, warm, and some of the least noisy. I also find them more comfortable than the Xlite or All-Season. I can confirm that companies pay millions of dollars so reviewers will lie and break the trust of their audience. /s

If you’re camped on a slope, layering the neo-air over the foam pad keeps it from slipping downhill. Plus it makes a great ass pad during the day.

6'0", 235lbs, side sleeper. Use a Therm-a-rest NeoAir XLite NXT. Works great for me by filling it up firm, then laying on it and slowly releasing air to reach comfort level. Two downsides. First, was my fault. Got the Regular. Should have gone with the Reg-Wide. Pad is a little noiser than my older BA Q-Core.

6'0", 235lbs, side sleeper. Use a Therm-a-rest NeoAir XLite NXT. Works great for me by filling it up firm, then laying on it and slowly releasing air to reach comfort level. Two downsides. First, was my fault. Got the Regular. Should have gone with the Reg-Wide. Pad is a little noiser than my older BA Q-Core.

Have not had to use the warranty knock on wood, but have been really happy with my tensor as well. I too side sleep part of the night, and it's great not waking up with a sore shoulder from being direct on the ground in the past with my therma rest lite.

Anecdotally I've had my last thermarest neoair xlite for 7 years with approximately 3000 miles of use before a center baffle blew out so there's a bump in the center of the pad, it still holds air. Never had to patch it and never had the valve leak overnight.

Ya prob should have just bought an x-therm for flexiblity though I'll say I've been warm enough with my xlite nxt down to the 20s.

My setup is a GG 1/8th (5 panels, cut off 2 and carry a sit pad) along with a thermarest Neo air xl - all in, right around $250. I’m an AT thru hiker and setting out with this gear on the pct in 2 weeks